S2E111 40 Days of Fasting for Roger Ver: Day 9 Update & How You Can Help

one way ticket to freedom traded red tape for open seas bitcoins in his pocket dreams of peace now they label him a thief said he hid the truth from the paper man but the real crime he walked away again When the swamp can't win, so they try to cage the

free again You can exile a man, but not the flame Roger lit a fire, they'll never tame It's a line they cross every time

They called him Bitcoin Jesus, now they wanna crucify Weaponized indictments to make the next one think twice This ain't justice, it's control, they're coming for the playing God with your soul Yeah, rebels With their lives dressed up as law The truth don't hide behind a bench It lives in every freedom song Let them try, we won't be bent The people's will won't pay their rent Yeah, they're coming for the rebels With their lives dressed up as law

The truth don't hide behind a bench. It lives in every freedom song. We won't be bad. Let them try. The people will not pay their rent. They said he lied, but the truth, he just left their broken table and they can't stand. still able.

Truth be told, he walked on fire, built his own empire outside the grip of empire liars. The IRS came knocking, trying to tax what they don't own. But you can't audit freedom fighters sitting on a throne. Left the states, kept it clean, no handouts, no games. Now they want to extradite a man for sharing truth. But he ain't bowing to.

He paid his dues, took no deals, did it all with hustle, guts, and steel. They say he lied, that's a joke. He followed law while the system broke. Tried to flip his lawyers, breached the code, kicking in doors while cameras roll. But this ain't about no tax evasion. Don't tread on us, the courts ain't God and the ink ain't just For Ross to Roger, they all get burned If freedom's your crime, it's your turn They don't want the truth, they want control They'll crush your name to keep their gold You can run your mouth and raise your hand

But if you stand for freedom, you're a wanted man But he ain't bowing till they ring. the DOJ don't like what they can't tame. Yeah, But Roger lit a match and walked away from the flame. This ain't about taxes. This ain't about law. It's about power. And he broke their jaw.

They don't want the truth, they want control They'll crush your name to keep their gold You can run your mouth or raise your hand But if you stand for freedom, you're a wanted man They tried to cage a rebel king But he ain't bowing to their ring Welcome back to the Aaron Day Show. This is season two, episode eleven. Today is where we're talking

about the forty day fast to free Roger Ver. I'm on day nine of this fast, so I might be a little bit loopy, but I'm doing fine. I'm not quite as quick as I normally am, but that should make it more entertaining at least. So So I did decide to expand this fast. Originally I said it was going to be seven days plus, but I decided that, you know, I think I'm up for it. I've done a thirty seven, thirty eight day fast before. So I think this is something that's in my in my wheelhouse. Plus, I think fasting is actually a hugely beneficial activity that many people could benefit from, not just from a health perspective, but from, you know, raising your consciousness, because when you are

In a fasted state, you are perfectly present, and your senses are heightened, and it's, it's actually a pretty good experience. you know, Not that it's easy all of the time, but it is very incredibly productive in terms of improving your consciousness overall. So just as an update on where we are today, this is, Roger is still facing a hundred nine years. This is he's been trapped in Spain now for three hundred forty five days. And this is day nine of the fast. And as a reminder, this fast is my personal effort. This is not part of the official Free Roger campaign. Roger's not behind it in any way, shape or form. I don't communicate with him about it. This is something that's

that's freestanding. I'm going to skip this agenda because the agenda is a little bit out of date, but I encourage everybody to go back and look at the previous four episodes that we've had related to this topic. There's a ton of content. Some of those podcasts actually went on for four hours. We've had some great guests come on and some great Q&A, but the content on there really goes through and describes in great detail Roger's situation, Roger's legacy, the impact that he's had, not just in crypto, but from a humanitarian perspective and in spreading voluntary interactions and freedom all over the world. I've also discussed a bit about hijacking Bitcoin, which is not a topic I'm

going to spend much or any time on. anymore. And then there's information in every one of these podcasts about fasting itself, because for a long time, I've fasted over two hundred days in twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three. And as I said, my longest fast has been thirty eight days. It is a real transformational process. And it's something that I actually wanted to incorporate into fasting. daylight freedom. I just didn't know quite how to do it. I didn't even know quite where to start. But I think actually tying fasting, which is a great tool for political activism, while also teaching people about how powerful it is in terms of self-empowerment, I thought that would be a great thing.

And so I'm going to be providing quite a bit of educational content about what actually goes on during a fast, biologically, emotionally, mentally, just so that you can get a sense for what all of this is about. nothing about fasting. Because most people know doctors actually get zero minutes In fact, of training in medical school about fasting they only learn they only spend about twenty hours on nutrition so if you ask your doctor about fasting chances are he or she knows absolutely nothing about it but it's something that has kind of ancient roots going all the way back to while Jesus allegedly you know fasted for forty days Moses fasted for forty days twice

actually Pythagoras fasted for forty days And there were these mystery schools in Egypt and in Greece. And part of the kind of entry fee is, you know, you actually have to do a forty day fast before you enter it. So this isn't something that's outlandish. And a lot of people might say, oh, this is, you know, putting, you know, putting me seriously at risk. This is actually probably one of the The biggest threats to big pharma and to our current health care system is that people realize that by fasting, you can reset your immune system, start generating stem cells and reverse a whole series of different diseases. And so throughout, I'm going to explain how how some of that works.

everything that I'm focused on, And again, the purpose, everything that I do in general and that my wife and I are doing with Daylight Freedom is about, you know, really this idea that freedom comes from controlling your thoughts, emotions, and actions. We make thirty thousand decisions every day. So if we want freedom, you know, it's not going to come from a politician. It's not going to come from some sort of organization or establishment. It actually comes from us taking control of our own agency and taking control of our own lives. Fasting is a phenomenal tool for that, but overall, this is something that I'm a big believer of and a big advocate for. This is why

We took kind of a veer into CBDCs and privacy coins and all that simply because technocracy is literally a threat to free will. Technocrats want to take away your ability to control your own thoughts, emotions, and actions. And so while we've been spending all of our time focusing on defense in terms of blocking technocracy, I'm going to start shifting and spending a greater percentage of my time. I'm going to end up having to do both, but trying to teach people how to take their power back, take their power back from the government, from big health, from mainstream media, from all of it with practical, actionable advice. And I think this fast itself, while I'm through it,

actually recording it, I may even write a book about it because it's going to be a great way to get material to people to help them take back their health. So there are some interesting events coming up. Liberty Forum is the next event on April the twenty fifth. So I'm going to be on a panel on what happened to crypto adoption. And so I'm going to be talking about privacy coins. I'm going to be talking about Zeno. I think I think the future for crypto adoption looks very bright. I think we got distracted. I think the core mission got hijacked. I think people are now sitting around talking about. government and strategic reserves and digital gold. But many of us have not forgotten about that.

Joel on the panel was kind of an OG living on crypto even before me. And of course, Roger is the original OG who onboarded most of these OGs in crypto now with with crypto with the main mission of having an alternative to central banks. And so we're gonna bring that energy back and we're gonna free Roger and we're gonna get him back in the fight because his voice is certainly missing. So I've talked about Eatdam. So Eatdam is the ninth through the eleventh in Amsterdam. I highly recommend if you can. uh pop over to that event I'm going to be giving a keynote talk on day forty of my fast so we'll see how that goes uh I already uh asked them to bring me a chair because I I I I've

done these long fast before you know and by the end you are a little bit tired so it's you know I'm probably that's probably not going not going to have a lot to be my most compelling speech but it is going to be pretty interesting that That event coincides with day forty of the fast. Then three days after that is Roger's motion to dismiss hearing in LA. This is at the United States District Court, Central District of California. Judge Michael Fitzgerald, this is at one thirty PM. I highly recommend that everybody attend, but also buy refundable tickets, you know, for airfare and hotels because, hey, who knows, hopefully the tides are turning and,

you know, Roger's case will be dismissed or will be pardoned by then or any of a number of things could happen and the hearing could be rescheduled yet again because it's already been rescheduled. Porkfest is June the sixteenth to the twenty second. This is where we are really going to bring back the peer-to-peer digital cash as the solution to central bank digital currency and stable coins and government currency in general. And so many people learned about Bitcoin for the first time in two thousand twelve and two thousand thirteen from Roger. Roger, I'll play this video clip shortly, not tonight, but You know, Roger was actually handing out like one hundred and fifty

physical bitcoins in twenty twelve. And at that time they were valued at like seven to eleven dollars. That's how early this this, you know, Porkfest was in terms of adoption. And so for this entire week at Porkfest, people are engaging in voluntary interactions, buying and selling things. There's an area called Agora Alley and nobody's using fiat. Everybody's using alternative currencies. And so this year, We're going to turn it up. I'm co-sponsoring the largest tent with Doug Tooman and Mineratopia. So we're going to have a big focus on privacy coins and privacy solutions. And we're going to do hands-on onboarding and showing people how to use this. We're going to onboard the

merchants there. uh we're gonna bring back that twenty twelve energy and we are once again gonna get back on course to uh you know displacing central banks and displacing central tyranny so I think this is in if in the history books when we look back this is going to be the event that kicked off uh kicked off a revolution in private digital currency and hopefully and my my goal on this is that roger will actually be there at Porkfest. I'm highly motivated. We've got to make sure that he's out because it would be game-changing if he were able to appear at that event. I'm going to talk a little bit tonight We've already talked about a lot of the different aspects of Roger, but I kind of want to

reframe this now because I think this forty day fast has a lot of potential to draw even more attention to First of all, the situation. the fasts have been very effective in the past. Gandhi fasted, did over, I think, seventeen different public fasts, but the longest fast he ever did was twenty one days. And so Caesar Chavez did a fast. There have been some other very notable fasts that drew attention to the particular cause and actually had some pretty big impact. I know the biggest impact of one of Gandhi's fasts was to actually eliminate kind of the caste system with respect to voting. and voting rights and power in India. And so I think doing this for forty days,

just as Jesus did it for forty days, we're doing a forty day fast for Bitcoin, Jesus. I think there's a lot that we can do with that to bring recognition to Roger's case. But I want to highlight and I'm going to continue to kind of churn through what's important about this case and why people should care. People should care because Roger has changed the world. He's already changed the world. He's young. He's only forty five. But, you know, from his Bitcoin efforts and being the first investor in the ecosystem and spreading it to people early to his humanitarian efforts, he's really fought through peace, through voluntary exchange. That's been his his approach.

And so he's a believer in voluntarism, which is rooted in one idea, which is that voluntary human interaction without coercion. It's a very simple concept. And it's surprising how threatened many people seem to be about this idea of people living their own lives free and engaging in voluntary actions with consent. And so he's spent his entire life advancing this. I mean, even kind of before And not only did he fund Bitcoin startups, for Bitcoin. he's aided disaster victims. He's defended people targeted by the state. He actually supported, was the original donor of the Brownstone Institute. He's the largest funder of Ross Ulbrich's legal campaign. And on and on and on.

And there are separate videos on that, which we'll have on the website and that I have played in the previous episodes. But I think it's important that people understand I think it's important that the Trump administration and Pam Bondi and people in their orbit understand who Roger is because so much of crypto has a bad name. when we do these workshops across I mean, the country and we're talking to people that aren't already in crypto, most of them have a pretty negative reputation. impression of the space. And most of these people are more familiar with people like Sam Bankman-Fried than certainly having heard of Roger and all of the great impact that he's had.

So I think as part of this entire campaign, the whole point of it is to raise awareness and to influence the right people and keep the pressure up. Because the administration has a lot on its plate. And so so the question is, how do we elevate Rogers case? How do we make sure that, you know, his case gets more gets attention or gets to the top of the pile before, you know, for the administration runs out of political capital? So the summary here is the charges are he's facing eight counts, criminal counts, and none of which, would have even existed at all by the way, if he was not a high profile freedom advocate. No one else has been charged with anything like this and

certainly not to any degree like this. This is this is pure lawfare. It's very clear, particularly when you read all of the documents. They're claiming he failed to report one hundred thirty one thousand Bitcoin during his expatriation. They're charging with mail fraud, tax evasion. and filing for tax returns. But to give you a sense of how absurd this is, the mail fraud is, OK, if you sent a tax return in the mail with inaccurate information incorrect information, then they'll claim that that's fraud. And you get, I can't even remember for this one, if it's twenty years each or thirty years each, you get thirty years for each incident. So they've charged him with

three different counts of that. And in one instance, he sent in the tax return and they claimed to not get it. And then he sent it in again. I guess they did actually get it. So he's looking at ninety years just from this mail fraud claim, which shows you how absolutely absurd this situation. This is all about, it's not about tax compliance and they've retroactively interpreted the tax statutes and they've really gone out of their way to make this a highly politicized matter, not based on the actual facts itself. So here's what's really happening. This isn't about taxes. It's about crushing alternatives to state control. So some of these tax issues go back to twenty fourteen

and they didn't indict him until twenty twenty four. I believe it was April of twenty twenty four. So they waited for ten years for some of this stuff. And in fact, this didn't actually move forward full steam until after President Biden signed Executive Order one four zero six seven. He signed that on March the ninth, twenty twenty two. So that executive order said that it's now U.S. government policy to pursue a CBDC and crack down on everything else. if you're cracking down on everything Well, else, Roger is going to be at the top of the list. interviewed Stephen Neri off. I know from when I who is the guy who was involved in Ethereum, he was arrested by like nine or twelve FBI

agents and cuffed and put in the back of a van and was given two pages of names and said, if you don't give us information that leads to convictions on one or more of these that, you know, we're going to, you'll never see your kids again. Well, Roger was one of the names on that list. So the DOJ was actively seeking information about Roger where they didn't have the information in advance, which really highlights how truly politically motivated this is. And so you can read I have an article on the Brownstone Institute called The Unfinished War on Crypto, where I go into not just Roger's case, the overall case of all of the cases, hundreds of hundreds of cases that were brought

under this executive order that were all politically motivated, that should all be dropped. Every single one of these cases should be dropped. This was a situation where, you know, they, you know, ready, fire, aim. They were going after everybody and they were prioritizing people that were effective at promoting alternatives that would make it more difficult for them to roll out their CBDC. That is the real motivation, in my opinion, why this is even happening. This is why I'm so passionate about it because When I stopped everything I was doing, put my life on hold, wrote a book, the whole point of it was ran for president, to warn people about CBDCs and to warn people about the crackdown.

And in the process of trying to warn people, Ian Freeman went to prison and then and then Rogers situation happened and countless others. And so obviously the warning didn't work so well. And so now it's a situation where You know, we're still trying to make people aware of what's actually going on, not what the threat might have been, but what the threat actually became So they're not just after Roger. You know, again, They are fully after what he represents. And what he represents is still this idea that we can spread freedom and economic prosperity around the world for everyone. regardless of your circumstances or what country you're in, that central banks clearly spread not only financial

tyranny around the world, but they are a major source of funding both sides of wars, manufacturing wars. And it's truly central banks are a threat to human freedom and liberty and peace. And so Roger remains the most effective person at at promoting that idea and those technologies. And he had recently, right before he was arrested, he'd given two talks, just like within a week, I think, or so of getting arrested about privacy tokens and about Zeno and about how we can basically use other cryptocurrencies other than Bitcoin to resume the original vision, which is for people to be able to trade with one another voluntarily without

these third parties. That's why... They're targeting Roger. And that's why we have to defend him. I mean, we need to defend him for, you know, one, it's the moral thing to do. Two, it's the constitutional thing to do. But three, we need to defend them because they are going after freedom itself by attacking Roger. Roger, as a matter of strategy, let's be strategic about who we're going after. And I know a lot of us have different views on the Trump administration and everything else. And it's even hard for me to in doing this. Now, on the one hand, putting out some of this content, on the other hand, I have my views on some of the other issues. But the real people that are

important right now are Donald Trump and Pam Bondi, the A.G., Trump can pardon Roger outright and Bondi can drop the case because she controls the DOJ and the DOJ is what controls this case. So these are the two most important people. they should be totally aligned with this. Now, It should be completely Trump ran on within their interest. going after the deep state. Trump has no certainly love for the IRS himself. He's been targeted by the IRS. He's been targeted by lawfare. the lawfare that Rogers In fact, experienced is very similar in nature to the lawfare Trump experienced in terms of attorney client privilege being breached, in terms of manufactured cases that are

Completely politically motivated. So Trump ran on on ending this and on stopping this. And so the parallels are very strong. And so, you know, on the one hand, you should think it should be a no brainer. But nevertheless, it's this process is still ongoing. And and so Pam Bondi, you know, again, is the other person to deal with it. You know, right. Realistically, yes, they have a lot on their plate. Right. Pam Bondi has. And Epstein files, she has all the other stuff that she's dealing with, with immigration and all of the other things that are on her plate. But I do think it's critical for her to get to this issue because Trump has made a big push for the U.S. becoming the leader in

cryptocurrency and the U.S. being the place where everybody wants to go. work on cryptocurrency well you can't you know have america as the the innovator in cryptocurrency while the guy on whose shoulders this whole thing rests is facing a life sentence while being kind of you know sequestered in a foreign country for almost a year so I it's just but it's hard to get that message out I mean roger isn't in this country roger can't talk and so um so it's more difficult to to get the word out which is why I'm trying to do what I am doing but certainly this is only going to be successful if all of us do this we need to really amplify our voices and it does make a difference if if this gets

into the news cycle if this if this becomes something that you know people that trump and bondi and people close to them are seeing every day and they see that there's real public support for this that that might you know tip tip the balance and put roger up higher in the queue so what is the media strategy so the strategy is you know we need to try to control the narrative we break the silence there need to try to you know hasn't been I can't remember the last time I saw an interview with roger or anything kind of coming out of the official free roger campaign. And I'm sure there are reasons for that. But it's important to keep the pressure up because who knows? You don't know what's going

to happen politically. I mean, something could happen. Pam Bondi could leave, you know, whatever is going on behind the scenes. I have no idea what it is, but presumably at some point it's going to be negotiating if they have a hearing coming up on May the twelfth, I would hope at least that something's going on, that people are trying to negotiate something. But I've found in these situations, it's good if you can keep up some amount of public pressure to keep this in the forefront of the people in the administration, because the administration can change. And so I think the Forty Day Fast is a a great way to do that milestones in the fast. because there are certain

I expect to be doing podcasts on this. I already know I have several that I mean, are interested in doing it and kind of lining it up where I can speak not only to their audience, but try to get their audience to participate in this and to share content and to participate in the fast. as we get closer to day forty, But then, you know, it becomes more of a, you know, potent PR. I think once day twenty one, for instance, when you tie, you know, Gandhi's fast, fast record, then that's something where maybe that's more newsworthy and a larger podcast that maybe is is closer to Trump's orbit might be might be interested in having. So I'm going to be working on on that kind of

strategically from a timing perspective. So we want to, so if we're developing content and we're sharing content, keep in mind who the target audience is, because there might be a, you know, which is what probably the rest of my posts are. It's kind of, yeah, the state sucks and, you know, exit and build and all that other stuff. But as it relates to Roger's case, you know, the key points are around, you know, the key issue, which is lawfare. So I've actually created sixty four memes already. I have them scheduled to go out over two per day over the next thirty two days. And so you'll see those popping out. You can see some of them here on the screen. And so a lot of these memes

you can see are focusing on really the aspects of lawfare. So It's themes like end the crypto witch hunt. It's other elements that are talking about the absurdity of the lawfare itself. So it is lawfare. We know why it's happening. It's happening because of Biden, not Trump, which is an important point to make. This is something that was done. under Biden's DOJ, not the current DOJ, but the DOJ has the power and should address it right away. But we need to highlight what Biden's DOJ actually did. And I want to repeat what some of the key points are. First of all, the indictment should have never happened. They went to the grand jury.

with incomplete information at best or false information at worst, but they basically failed to disclose the communications that they had between Roger and his lawyers and accountants showing that Roger was trying to comply with the tax code. And there are a lot of experts and financial people involved and a lot of going back and forth. And you see in black and white in these communications, that Roger was trying to comply with the law. And so had the grand jury seen this information, it's very likely there never would have been an indictment to begin with. Nevertheless, there was an indictment, and here we are. But even prior to that, in this case, The IRS sent armed agents to

Roger's business and to his lawyer's office. They broke his attorney-client privilege and actually raided his documents, which is something that is sacred to everyone. This isn't a crypto issue. Even lawfare aside, if this precedent is allowed to stand, if you're allowed to go in now and and have the IRS or some other branch of the government breach your attorney-client privilege, then that means that we basically can't rely on the system at all. And if Roger, as is shown in these communications, was actually complying with and getting advice from and even taking a conservative view of what the counsel was that he was given, Well, if you actually hire a whole bunch of

great experts, you follow their advice, and then they still accuse you of fraud, then this means you can't even rely on counsel either. So this is a really bad situation. And then the worst one, well, it's not the worst, but I mean, just to show that they're not really holding back at all, and they're continuing to keep on using these tactics. The most recent thing that they've done is they've tried to say that... that Roger is a fugitive because he's fighting extradition. There's absolutely nothing in the law to substantiate that. Fighting extradition is not something that is against the law or against the Constitution. It's part of his legal rights, and so he is certainly not a fugitive.

These are the actions that are are at play here these are the exceptional actions beyond that they've you know in in trying to they haven't told him how much he owes he's even tried to file a freedom of information request to find out what okay what are you saying that I owe you so in all this time and now he's been in spain for almost a year no one's given a justification or explained an amount they've used a novel interpretation of taxes because when you remember if you go back to how to pay taxes on Bitcoin. And the IRS guidance was unclear. At that time, people were arguing, is it an asset? Is it a currency? Is it something else?

And so a lot of people just didn't pay taxes at all, which is evidenced by the fact that at some point, Coinbase actually had to issue like, ninety thousand letters to I think, customers saying, hey, you never paid your taxes for this time period. So there was no clear understanding of this. With that said, Roger hired lawyers. and he hired accountants and he hired the best people and he actually did pay his exit tax when he left the country. So the fact that they're kind of retroactively trying to apply some standard and then it gets even more complicated than that. Roger had so many Bitcoin that if he were to have sold them all, it would have been more than the entire volume of

the entire market at the day he would have sold it. arguably it would have crashed the I mean, market to zero because at this time in twenty fourteen, Mt. Gox, which was the largest exchange, was hacked and collapsed. And so there was very little volume. There was very little opportunity to even move that amount of Bitcoin. So the whole thing, when you actually look at the guidelines of how you're supposed to compute what the value of these things are, I suspect in the end of this, Rogers owed a refund. But of course, they won't even provide any information or justification at all. Just, you know, hey, we're going to silence you, stick you in a foreign country,

and we'll see what happens at some point. So I'm going to be putting out a lot of memes around these themes around the lawfare itself in terms of not only why they're doing it in terms of Biden's executive order, but also some of the individual elements, because these elements affect everyone. If you can't rely on a lawyer, if you can't rely on your communications being safe, if you are investing in an innovative company and all of a sudden they come back ten years later and change the tax rules and try to throw you in prison for the rest of your life. So this affects everyone. There isn't a single American that... won't be negatively impacted if this case is allowed to continue with Roger.

And so we want to hammer home those points because this isn't just stuck in these, you know, like crypto and they're trying to kind of move it around. So the campaign timing here is we're on day nine. So There is momentum building. There have been a lot of people that have reached out. There are other people that want to support and help promote the information and promote the FAST. But I think the milestones are probably after day ten, I'll start doing some Some interviews on podcasts. And then day fourteen is another big milestone in fasting, which I'll get to later. I mean, there are some key dates in fasting. So, you know, I want to kind of tie in the significance of fasting

itself and educate around fasting and tie that in as well. But then I think day twenty one is really the next milestone. huge event. I think this is an opportunity. I'd like to try to get a big podcast lined up for that. I've been on a lot of podcasts. I mean, last year I was on everything from Alex Jones to Health Ranger to, you know, I don't know. I think I did over fifty podcasts. I actually have to go through and and get my whole list together. And so I think that day twenty one, because of the of the tie to that being Gandhi's record and everything else, is an opportunity to to really put this out there and get this front and center and to try to get it in front of a MAGA audience

in terms of why this is important. And then, you know, day forty, as I said, coincides with the conference in Amsterdam. I don't know how how that's You know, again, going to work. But, you know, again, I'm sure I'll be able to. It's my part of it's only twenty minutes. So I'm sure I'll be able to, you know, sit down and and and give a semi lucid presentation at that at that time. So now hopefully, you know, maybe all this goes away and maybe we hear tomorrow that Roger's free. But I think I like the idea that throughout this campaign, which is going on for a long period of time, momentum and that we have that we're able to build specific milestones tied into it.

So how can you help? So I want to check on this. This may not be live yet, so... bear with me a second. So at daylightfreedom.org, we're creating a whole page for, it's called Fast for Roger, updating this content and we're going to be pretty significantly. But you'll see on there, there's a form that you can fill out to join the fast. So you can put your first name, last name, and pledge the number of days you're going to fast. So we're going to have a counter that aggregates all of the days that everybody's fasted combined, not just my days. And I know there are a lot of people out there, and I really appreciate it, that have joined the fast. I saw today a guy who just

finished an eighteen day fast is going to rejoin. So I think, you know, I'm not familiar with this kind of as a concept, but trying to get a whole bunch of people together to fast is noteworthy. and a good thing. And also it will benefit the people who participate in it. I mean, yes, there's some suffering involved, but actually as you get through it, to be something that you it will actually turn out will benefit from. Be a guest on the Aaron Day Show. So I'm going to be doing these. I was going to try to do these every day. And then I looked into the research and looked at the analytics and the weekend is dead and Monday and Friday are also dead. I'm going to be doing this podcast Tuesday,

Wednesday, and Thursday. My energy levels are different. At some point, I stay up until one o'clock in the morning. Last night, I created sixty four memes. I just did a whole bunch of content, but worked on the podcast for today. But there are other days where I need to take a nap. So I'm definitely not at the normal level, but I'm thinking as a structure, I'll talk for some amount at the beginning, probably on fasting and some element certainly related to Roger in this case. And then I may talk about some other topics. Like there are a lot of things that I wanna talk about that are related to fasting and things that we can do to take control of our thoughts, actions, and emotions.

And I've mentioned some of these things, you know, meditation and some other things that I've learned doing this and going through this for a long time. And some things that I think are going to be beneficial for people down the line, because I think as we go through this, I don't know about you guys, but I wasn't I gave up on politics a long time ago. But I see a lot of people still giving up their agency to these white knights, to these other politicians. And so I'm going to be very clear about moving forward. I want to work on on things that are about promoting people taking back power. their own control and empowering people to be more effective at taking control of their own lives.

And so the content that I'm going to have is going to be related to that and some of the things that I've learned along the way. But I'm also open to having guests on the show as well. We have the Q&A session as well where multiple people can come in and we talk about the discussion. But if there are some people that... want to join that are also involved in kind of projects that are outside of the system and that are empowering or that have, you know, something to say or experience, you know, with Roger, then, then that would be great. So if you want to be a guest on the show, reach out to me and happy to happy to have you on. Please share the podcast post and clips. So I have been,

my traffic has been highly suppressed lately. I think, as I mentioned before, it's down like eighty percent. I can tell even when I post this stuff and I'm looking at the numbers, it's something's going on with the algorithm. So it does help if you like share and also comment. I mean, as much engagement as we can get legitimate engagement. So I have a whole series of posts and clips. In fact, I spent three days after the last podcast, just creating clips from the previous four podcasts. And so between, you know, I probably have a hundred clips and memes and everything else that are scheduled to go out over social media over the next month, just from last week's batch of podcasts.

Create and share your own content about Roger's impact in lawfare, or just take my content and republish it directly on your page. That will get more traffic even than just retweeting it. So that, you know, the more people that participate, obviously, you know, let's get, let's get Free Roger trending and let's get these important ideas about who Roger is and about the just egregious nature of this lawfare out to as many people as possible. I think people will be horrified when they, when they hear about this. I mean, just the, the idea that, you know, again, he's stuck in a country where he doesn't even speak the language and, uh, with this like Kafkaesque situation where they're not

going to tell you how much you owe and the, you know, the process is going to go on forever. It's just, I can't, I can't even imagine what it would be like being in Roger's shoes right now. Um, Also make introductions to relevant podcast platforms or journalists. So if there are some shows that I haven't been on, if you're familiar, you can go to daylightfreedom.org and see kind of the list of podcasts. They're not all up there yet. But if you have some that you think would be good where it's an audience that I can get in front of that we can help with the cause, or we can help to get that audience to participate in the fast. Either way, I'm open to that. Enter the Zano meme contest.

I don't have any details on this yet, but a new platform was just launched on Zano that allows you to have private NFTs. So I'm thinking about doing some kind of promotion. Maybe the community member of the week or whatever it happens to be gets an NFT. I don't know what the specifics of that are going to be. And I will say this, if you sign up and you pledge or record how long you fasted and put in a comment, in support of Roger, then for the first five hundred people that participate, we'll send you I'll send you a Zeno. So I will not tonight, but probably tomorrow go through how to set up a Zeno wallet so that you can see how that works. But the point of this is, you know,

I want to not only raise awareness. about Roger's case and do everything that we can to help there. But to also reverse the chilling effect because remember, the motivation for this was to stop Roger from being effective at promoting voluntary solutions, and most specifically voluntary solutions to central bank digital currencies. And so one of the things Roger was just beginning to promote was Zeno, which is a very powerful technology that you've probably heard me talk about a lot. So one of the things that we can do is let's reverse this chilling effect and let's take this legal action against Roger as a way to actually amplify this technology that can help people all over the

world engage in commerce and trade without with privacy without having to worry about government intervention or surveillance, which is what you have now today with Bitcoin and Ethereum. So I'm going to be talking a lot about Zeno and doing things to actually get people to start using Zeno because that's another great way to kind of help this entire cause. And you can donate to and support the campaign. I mean, this isn't a big deal. I haven't raised money before. Daily Freedom Foundation is a five oh one C three. We don't have salary or overhead or or even rent. The only thing that I am looking to do is to buy. Since I'm one man band, I produce all of this content.

So everything that you see, all of these presentations, the songs, uh you know setting up the the podcast itself doing all the marketing and everything else I literally do that myself and I'm at the point where there's so much content and everything that I'm slowed down by but my computer and storage so I want to buy an apple studio and I want to get a uh one of those Nvidia AIs. So if you want to help donate to that, that's fine. If not, eventually I'll buy it, you know, what crypto is down now, but I mean, eventually I'll, you know, probably fund it myself, but it would be very helpful to actually have a, an Apple studio during this fast, because as my energy levels go down,

it's going to be harder and harder for me to fully put together, you know, everything that I put together in these podcasts. So you go to dailyfreedom.com. We only take crypto and, We don't have a bank account, so as you would probably expect, so in any event, it would be great if you would consider that also. And then lastly, these will be up on the website as well. But there are three really important videos that I think are important to share around or also share clips from. There's the official Bitcoin Jesus documentary, which I played in full during season two, episode seven. But I'll have a link for it as well on the Fast for Roger page on Daylight. Great video.

I mean, nobody speaks better about Roger, about his situation than Roger himself. And so that video is a phenomenal one. There's another video on his humanitarian impact. And so a number of people are interviewed that talk about how Roger has saved their lives or saved their community. And I think it's important for people to know that and to share it. I mean, honestly, Roger never talked about this because he's of a quiet behind the scenes guy not doing these things for notoriety but now that he's in the situation that he's in it's probably helpful it would be helpful if people in the trump administration and if trump and pam bondy and others realize that this is a guy that's that's actually

built this industry uh in and doing so in a way that's trying to promote freedom and that he's helped people was his generosity all over the world. And then lastly, there's kind of a visual tribute compilation that I put together last week of just a number of leaders in the liberty space, like Jeffrey Tucker and John Bush and Sterling Lujan and Sal Viagras talking about how, and Joelle Valenzuela talking about how Roger has influenced them or impacted them or or help them along the way. And so I just think it's good to get this information out. And if you have your own video testimonials or things, or if you want to again, join into the podcast, that would be great. And I'll take those clips

and we'll get those out as well. So the more this really is for, but we're doing this from a position of, you know, love, not hate. So I really want the information to be out here as, hey, here's who Roger is. Roger, great guy. Here's what this is all about. And then also, here's how ridiculous this Biden era lawfare is. And, you know, Roger's case is, the worst of all of the crypto lawfare. in my opinion, No one else is facing one hundred nine years. And, you know, I think he might be on the record. I don't know if the samurai guys, but he's he's been certainly in exile for a long as long a period of time as anyone else. And so for nothing, for a completely made up, made up case.

And so we want to get those details out and let people know that this was a Biden era case. problem that was created, but it's something that the Trump administration can fix. And it's something that the Trump administration and Trump ran on fixing. So with that, I'll go into the fasting update for today. Again, I usually go through these, I was going through these daily, but we now have, I haven't done this since day four. So we've got Five days of fasting updates, but I'm not going to do a day-by-day analysis. I'm just going to hit the high points. These are the big fasting milestones. So we hit one. Number three is immune system reboot. So I talked about that in a previous podcast.

But what's happened now is we're at day seven and it's complete fat burning mode. But more importantly, I've actually, my body has started to create stem cells on day seven. So this is like a huge thing because when you look at the research, and I'm actually compiling this from alternative sources of data, and I'm looking at some of the work from Dr. Goldhaber, because even Grok and some of these other things, they don't have information on this. And this is the kind of information that is suppressed. a large number of people that have cured everything from cancer to MS to high blood pressure to cataracts by fasting. Because basically the idea is this, our bodies are actually

very powerful and they're a lot smarter than we give them credit for. We so quickly go off to a doctor or drugs or whatever, thinking that we need some kind of outsourced solution to fix our own health and our own condition. But the reality is when we let our body heal itself. And when we shut off the digestive process, which uses a ton of energy, the body goes into a mode where it starts eating its own, you know, the remnant parts of the cells and starts recycling materials and then even starts creating stem cells. And so it's an incredibly powerful situation. And then the next milestone upcoming is tomorrow. where a growth hormone really kicks in. So I'm in a really good state now.

And I'm on day seven, which I'll talk about. I actually felt great. So what's happened for me over the last few days, day five, mental clarity peak and kind of peak ketosis. You know, and that's definitely true. I just to explain, I like I'm sitting there working. I was trying to explain to a friend today what what fasting is like, because people must be like, oh, my God, you're you're you're starving or whatever. You're not really hungry. Like you hungry. There's like a level of hungriness that's certainly going on kind of behind the scenes. But but I don't feel hungry like you would be like normally if you skipped a meal or whatever, you would feel really hungry. I don't feel that at all.

There's kind of a. Yes, there's an underlying hunger, but what's going on, however this works, is you can't help but to be present. So there's no distractions. You're not sitting there thinking, you know, with depression, thinking about the past or, you know, with a lot of anxiety. You are locked into the present moment and your senses are heightened to the point where, I mean, you're really listening to music or even for me when I'm using the computer. You know, we have so many of these subconscious programs. If we're used to using a computer program in a certain way, Well, there may be a better way to do it. So you're so locked in where it's like, hey, wait a minute.

Why am I doing it like this? Why am I? you know, scheduling it this way, or why am I doing it like this? And you're like catching yourself. And so I'd like actually refined and made a lot of my operating processes better just because I am so present in the moment. I'm not in any way distracted thinking about anything else. And even music, I start, I start listening to different, different kinds of music. I mean, I'm like, I don't normally listen to classical music. I do occasionally, but I'm like, oh, I want to listen to classical music. And then when you're listening to it, You're appreciating it in ways that you would not have otherwise appreciated it. So again,

all of your senses are heightened. and smell and everything else and taste to the point where, and I mentioned this before, I usually drink coffee every day and I started drinking coffee in this fast. And I think day five or day six, like the, the, the taste of coffee was disgusting. I can't drink coffee anymore. I'm done with coffee on the fast. So now I've switched to tea. So now I'm drinking green tea. And there may be a point where that, that goes away too, because it's, your taste buds completely reset by day seven. And this is an amazing thing that people don't realize, which is that we get addicted to various chemicals. In fact, a lot of these big food companies, they hire scientists

specifically to engineer flavors and things that we do get addicted to. And when you go through a fast and you clear all that out, then when you come out of the fast, If you taste that stuff, it will actually taste like poison. I used to drink diet soft drinks. I used to drink a lot of Diet Coke, Coke Zero. And when I came out of my first seven-day fast, I mean, it tasted like I was just pouring a bottle of chemicals from a chem lab into my mouth. It was disgusting. So that's going on. On day six, the detox is deepening. And fat burn is accelerating. I mean, I have lost a lot of weight. I mean, I've already had to order a smaller size of clothes. I was actually playing

volleyball with my kids and I was having a hard time trying to keep the pants up. So the first few days you burn, depending on how many carbs you've been eating, you lose a lot of water weight. But now at this point, it's all fat because my body is fat adapted. I'm operating a hundred percent on fat. My body is breaking down my fat tissue and it's turning it into ketones. And those ketones are what are powering everything. And related to that, what that means is my, you know, so you might think, well, how are you getting rid of, you're burning these ketones. So what is the waste output? In other words, am I, am I pooping or whatever? But when you're operating on ketones,

uh basically they come out when you urinate and they come out through the breath and so this so actually you will have pretty bad breath uh when you are when you are in ketosis but you are burning pure fat so I mean this is like you know truly a great a great thing and you're not actually burning muscle. Any muscle that you lose is primarily at the very beginning stage, the first couple of days, but your body goes into a protecting the muscle and mode where it's actually it's operating off of fat. So I've actually been researching this because I, you know, I actually tried to, I lifted weights one day, not heavy weights, but I'm kind of like, well, can you build muscle during a fast?

maybe you can actually, And I went to research this, and this is how little is known about this, even though people have been fasting for, you know, a few thousand years at least. You know, I'm asking these questions and it's like, well, you need to consume, it's giving me all the standard, well, you have to consume protein in order to build muscle. But the thing is when you're doing autophagy, you're actually recycling amino acids. So the same amino acids that you use when you actually eat protein, could they possibly be part of the autophagy process? Actually, no one knows. So today on day seven, actually stem cell regeneration or stem cell generation surges.

So actually it started on day three, but today is the peak for stem cell generation. So this is truly new life. And who knows what's going on in my body, but at this point I have no idea I have no inflammation. And when I was playing, literally, I was playing volleyball with my kids. They're like, oh, do you want to go play? I'm like, well, maybe I'll be able to shoot baskets or something. But volleyball might be a little too intense because I'm on this fast. And actually, the reverse was true. I haven't had this much energy. in probably nine months. I was kind of amazed by it. And, and I was actually completely present and was actually pretty, pretty effective at playing volleyball,

which is not anything that I would have ever expected. So, so, so day seven was a real milestone. And then today growth hormone is starting to spike and the body is starting to, to really rebuild. And so, you know, again, I sound, it may sound a little loopy. If you have mental clarity, um, But a lot of really good things are happening biologically, which is why I say this is not a weight loss thing per se, because you can lose weight. When you're just simply losing weight, you're not... generating stem cells, you're not rebooting your immune system. There are some very specific, unique things biologically that happen only during fasting, and people are just unaware of it.

So a lot of people get frightened by, oh, he's doing a fast. I mean, forty days is a bit much, but But I think a lot of people, in fact, it'd be interesting to do a poll. Like, I think most people would think, might think that if you, you'd die if you didn't eat food for three days. I mean, we are so sidetracked, which I talked about with Nutrition Lies, three meals a day is fabricated, was made up by Henry Ford. and other industrialists based on wanting to get people to work in certain shifts. Breakfast is not the most important meal of the day. That was propaganda by General Mills and Kellogg's that was sanctioned and pushed by the USDA. The food pyramid was a lie. So almost everything that

people are even still doing today is not in any way, shape or form tied to optimizing your health. And you begin to realize this. And I've researched this when I was fasting for two hundred days before. I've researched these topics extensively and you tend to get a bit angry. at your doctor and about public health and the government. If you weren't already, you will be by the time you go through this process, which is why I think fasting might be a great way to wake people up. But, you know, we'll see. So that's where we are. So what's actually going on today, So it is it's peak stem cell production. day seven. So inflammation is is lowered and regeneration is really kicked in.

So day three is when The stem cells begin to repair tissues, which which involves fighting aging, reducing disease risk and other things. And I actually hadn't seen my kids for a week. So they actually saw me on day six, I think. And they're like they didn't even know I was on a fast. And they're like, oh, my God, your skin, you know, you look like you're ten years younger. And they thought I lost thirty pounds without even knowing. I had done a fast I will do like breakdowns on this where it's like okay this is what happens to your skin over the course of the fast this is what happens to you know various organ systems this is what happens to your teeth this is what happens here

because I I think if you're not familiar with this you're going to be baffled by what actually goes on here by day five you know mindfulness for clarity is is a good thing so I will tell you what happens like my workflow or whatever you know, I'll come in and all day I'm working on this content. I'm either working on creating new content for these podcasts or I'm creating clips of the last podcast or trying to, you know, figure out how to get things set up for social media or doing research or writing or whatever. So, but you know, Normally I can do some pretty long sprints, but now I kind of come in here and I'll work for a little while and then maybe I either need to take a nap,

which I had to do for the first time on day five. You know, so far I hadn't had to take any naps or in fact, I sleep less during a fast in general, but you have to listen to your body on a long-term fast. You have to completely, and that's one of the benefits, fasting makes you aware, it makes you conscious of what's going on, but you have to listen to it. If your body says, stop this, or you need to stop, But I've been meditating a lot. I've been meditating a couple of hours every day. And so if I'm feeling so slow that I'm not able to be effective or I find myself just kind of like staring at the screen or whatever, I'll go and meditate and then come back and be completely refreshed.

So this is a really good tip. And again, you want to rest deeply. If you go into a fast with some preconception of what you're going to do, every day and some kind of a battle plan, you're doing it wrong. I think the whole point of the fast is for you to get in touch with your body, in touch with your relationship with food, and in touch with your overall awareness and consciousness levels. The best thing that you can do is not come up with a prearranged plan, but to actually listen to your body in real time and adjust accordingly. So again, you know, stem cell generation, day seven, I'll harp on again because it is a milestone day. So, you know, stem cell surge is,

it is a fasting superpower. So you're repairing tissue, you're fighting aging, reducing disease risk. And so this is really a pivotal moment that has big longevity effects. And there's been a lot of research on calorie restriction and a lot of other things, but I am going to, you know, compile and share this information. And even Grok doesn't have a lot of this data. So some of the sources are, I think, fasting.org. And there are a lot of studies that have been done on this. Mike Rangers, excuse me, Mike Adams Health Ranger has his Enoch AI coming out. But I asked him some questions about fasting and he's trained on a completely different data set. It's got a long list of

diseases and conditions that were approved, improved or improved. eliminated by doing a thirty day plus fast. And so I think it'll be eye opening for people, although I'm sure this is will certainly get shadow the kind of content that banned because absolutely nobody has an economic interest in the idea that by simply not eating anything for a prolonged period of time, you can reverse everything from type two diabetes to possibly even cancer. Nobody has a a dog in that hunt, in fact, including big food. So, so, you know, here are the big things. So day five, you know, brain fog is clearing, normal, meditate to enhance. Day six, fatigue. And, you know, that's what I experienced as well.

Had to take it, had to take a nap. Day seven, day seven, I just had a huge amount of energy. I actually walked twelve thousand steps, played volleyball. I was shocked myself, but I, but I totally felt up to it. And then day seven is stem cells. And just kind of as a focus, I like to do these paradigm shifts because there's some big kind of reset moments that happen during a fast as you make revelations about how much you've been lied to about every facet of of nutrition but one point that that I want to make clear is that I think that most people don't know the difference between fasting and starving so if you don't have any body fat or you have minimal body fat and you fast then that's

that's bad news then you go into starvation and then your body starts eating your organs and even start eating you know muscle and things that you you don't want but fasting is completely different fasting is a situation where by day three or so, you are completely fat adapted and you are completely burning just fat. So you're not, you're not really, you're not damaging any of your organ systems. You're literally just using the excess energy that you have stored in the form of fat to fuel your body. That is effectively what's going on. And so this is the, this is the big difference. And so, you know, people be like, oh yeah, you're harming yourself or whatever. And that's not the case.

I certainly have enough weight to lose but the average American I did research on this the average American can do a forty day fast the average American has enough excess fat and in fact even if you know you think you don't have extra fat you actually have more more fat than you think and a lot of people are skinny fat which means they have a lot of excess fat around their their organs so which actually is unhealthy so You know, probably if you're in America, at least there's there's probably very little risk to you actually doing fasting and you certainly will not be starving. So I've already gone through kind of my my personal reflections on this. But, you know, I've just had I've

incredible amounts of insight. I've been journaling all of this and I've actually been memes and content and everything else. turning these things into I really would like to organize this better. I'm trying to figure out how to just document this. My own personal experience as I go through this, because I do think other people would benefit from learning about it. And just these are the common reflections that I made before. The key to this, and this has actually been a better fast than I've had in the past. As I mentioned before, one fast I actually passed out because I had an espresso, didn't have salt, and I had been walking outside in the sun. It was hot. And I actually just stood up

too fast and literally blacked out and woke up. That's the only real negative thing. But usually during a fast, you can get lightheaded. So you have to be careful when getting out of bed or getting out of a chair. And that may kick in here at some point. That has not kicked in at all. And I think in part it's because I'm doing a much better job in taking electrolytes. I recommend Dr. Berg's electrolytes because they are extremely high in potassium, has a thousand milligrams of potassium, which is critical. And by the way, most people have a potassium deficiency and bananas don't really help in terms of getting to the amount of potassium you actually need. And then I've been taking

salt and salt is the real, the real power up. I have a little bit of salt here. So I'll actually, So if I'm, if I'm getting, you know, if I get too tired or whatever, or out of sorts, I'll actually just have a little bit of salt. And, and so that's, that's an absolute lifesaver. And these two are necessities. I would say if you're doing a long-term fast, unless you don't want to be productive. In other words, I, you know, I suspect if they're doing like a forty day medically supervised diet, Fast. Most of the people that have done forty day fasts that I find documentation of in modern days are doing it in a medical setting because they are they're very ill. So there aren't a lot of

examples that I've been able to draw from from other people that aren't in that situation where I'm doing it for a cause I'm doing it for. because I want to show people the power of this but but I also want to be and need to be productive during it so so electrolytes and salt my opinion are no compromise on that but meditation journaling black coffee which I wouldn't even say black coffee anymore I actually just do just do tea but those are those are absolutely key things and so far doing those things I've had had no issues So again, fasting resources, I recommend Dr. Berg, Dr. Alan Goldhamer, and Dave Asprey wrote a book on this. And there are other resources that I'll compile

later at various points during this as I go back and dig through and find some of the research. But this is a great place to start. So if you are interested in what I've had to say, these are great resources. great YouTube resources you can go to to dig more deeply into this entire fasting process. So at this point, let's see how we do about an hour. So at this point, let me see if there are any questions. Oh, here we go. I just finished my four day fast, went ninety four hours, felt good enough. I know I could have done more, but my schedule is weird in the next couple of days. So I didn't want to push it. Well, congratulations. That's awesome. You know, so felt good.

Yeah, I'd love to hear your insights. And I mean, it's great to see people doing this. And, you know, so I moved, I got into this in stages. So I started out doing intermittent fasting. The reason that I have Dr. Berg as a resource is I got into keto and intermittent fasting. And so he was my go-to source on that. So I started out, you know, fasting would be, you know, eat in an eight hour window and then fast for sixteen hours. So that was so the first fast wasn't even a full day. And then eventually after doing keto for a while and already becoming fat adapted, once you're fat adapted, you know, you actually you don't you don't have these spikes in insulin.

So you're not hungry all the time. So people people might have this conception. Oh, if I'm intermittent fasting, I'm going to be hungry all the time. I'm not eating three meals or whatever. Turns out that the reverse is true. You're completely And you're not like sitting there starving or, you know, irritable or moody about it. And so then the natural step is to, you know, extend that. So then I went to a four hour eating window with twenty hours of fasting and then I did a one day fast. where I was actually I was And then I got to the point just eating every other day. in a window. And that was actually fine because it didn't disrupt me. I was able to completely function and not in a kind

of impaired state. So then I did a two-day fast, then I did a three-day fast. And then as I'm learning throughout this process, fasting to prolonged fasting, learning from intermittent then I'm learning about the benefits and then I'm starting to understand the science behind it. So that Is what caused me to do longer and longer fasts and then, you know, ultimately seven days. And so that's why those milestones that I put up are important, because when I do these things, It's like, OK, I'm doing them. this is a strategic there's a strategic reason I want to optimize stem cells. I want to optimize. I want to reboot my immune system, which is something that I want to do regularly on a.

quarterly basis. So that's how I got into this. I certainly wouldn't expect, I appreciate anybody that joins, but I don't expect anybody to join me for the full duration or even a long part of it unless you've already fasted. In fact, I wouldn't recommend that. But if you're willing to fast for a day or even half a day and go to daylightfreedom.org and report that and put in a comment for Roger so that we can aggregate your time. Every bit helps because you're committing to actually sacrifice something and focus your attention on this issue. I think that has a big impact and I think it means a lot in a variety of ways. So here we go. I got info from Dr. Sten Ekberg,

also started with intermittent fasting, which accidentally led to a couple of forty to forty-two hour fasts. So that's what Christopher Friedman is saying. So yeah, so it's a very similar process. And so, yeah, so if you're like freaked out, if you're like, oh, there's no way I could do forty days, do it and do it in steps. I think you will be, you'll be amazed by what happens. I was, I mean, you know, five years ago, If you had told me that I would be doing a forty day fast, I would have thought, I would have laughed. no way I'm going to die. This is a horrible idea. It's going to have all these negative health impacts. And so but that's not that's not the case at all. So at this point,

if if anybody wants to come up, I don't know. You know, I was. I was, again, when I, usually when I launch the podcast, I'm sending out emails and I play the music at the beginning and then try to notify a whole bunch of people, but I'm not operating at quite the fast pace. So I didn't even get to send this out or send as many links out to even some of the normal people that are attending. So I, you know, if people attend and we have a Q&A, great. If not... That's okay as well, but certainly happy to have anyone on that wants to talk about Roger, talk about fasting, talk about any related topics.

Happy to do this. Actually, these are some of the best clips. What I want this podcast to be about is where people talk about the things that people don't talk about publicly. In fact, I've been involved with a lot of things where you have these private meetings and everything else. And in my opinion, some of these private meetings are the things that should be recorded. We should be having deeper, more profound questions and discussions about topics that aren't necessarily at a superficial level. And those topics will come up during a fast. You will start thinking about a lot of different things, about consciousness, the nature of reality. It goes in a lot of different areas.

I like that, you know, in the Q&As that we've had, Last week, we had some really wide range of topics. We had, you know, people, a cancer survivor and people talking about what they learned from their experience. We had people talking about kind of different, you know, devices, Rife machines and other machines and other approaches that are outside of the arc of normal modern American medicine. And that stuff is great. And actually, the ability to take those clips and share those clips with others, I think, is incredible. is helpful because it is still hard to get information about alternative health related topics. Even when I was using Grok three, when I was using deep research,

These sites all seem to be using, they use WebMD and Healthline. And these are not, I would say these are actually disreputable sources of information. I actually studied WebMD quite a bit when it started. In fact, it started out there as WebMD and Healthion, and those two companies merged. But it's kind of an interesting story. This guy, Jim Clark, who was the CEO of Sun Microcomputer, um decided one day he had a bad experience in the hospital I think with a parent and then he wanted to understand how the hospital works how insurance works and how billing works and so he funded webmd with the with the original purpose of

figuring out how to disintermediate the health care system but like most companies that get into health care they get regulated out of existence or they get compromised so webmd went from having this noble ambition to actually, it's now just pharmaceutical companies sponsoring research and information. That's literally how they make their money now. But they're a go-to source. If you use Google, if you use DuckDuckGo, if you use any search engine, like apparently Healthline and WebMD are like two of the only sources that get indexed. And and and two of the only sources of,

I guess, information you get, you get the Mayo Clinic as well, which is also awful. And all other information is literally shunned. And so so anyway, hopefully in some of these conversations and some of the information I'm putting together on fasting and some other topics, I'm even considering. you know, getting an AI, getting one of these NVIDIA AI things and actually, uh, training it on some alternative, uh, data sets related to fasting and consciousness and some other things, because I think it'd be really interesting to go deep in some of those topics. We got deadhead and Chris, There we go. you guys are both muted. I don't know if that's muted on your end or. I was muted because I

thought I was getting a, uh, audio feedback and I didn't want to ruin your stream oh okay turned out it was just the there's the the stream yard is a second instance of the stream so I was just getting two sources okay got it well glad you're here congratulations on the fast yeah I started intermittent fasting years ago and it's funny because I have a similar experience where I tell people about it and friends that are interested in health and they're just like, well, that sounds too hard to do. That sounds crazy. I can't believe it. I'm like, I'm standing here in front of you as literal proof that it's not that bad.

Like you can do it if you just try it. Yep. Yeah. And again, I probably would have laughed at myself in in in twenty nineteen. And well, I mean, we'll see how degraded I am as these podcasts go on. But actually, last night I was just able to power through. I got like a week's worth of work I mean, done last night. It was amazing how much productivity I had. The only issue with this, again, it kind of goes in spikes, but But you have mental clarity. So even if you have a little bit of physical fatigue, you do not have mental fatigue. And so it's kind of a weird sensation, actually. But you do have clarity of thought. I actually am not moving as fast But, like, even with the computer.

But my overall productivity for day nine is, I'd say, pretty good. So we'll see how it is on day twenty. Yeah, someday soonish, soonish being like maybe next year, but I will definitely try to push past the four days. So I mentioned Dr. Stan Ekberg is sort of the person that gave me the idea for the four day window. And he was talking about a lot of similar things, HGH increase, stem cell production, but he In the videos of his that I watched, he was saying that a lot of that stuff starts to occur within these first, like as of day three, basically. Yeah, that's true. Even the stem cell stuff

starts on day three. And that's why, you know, I had never done a prolonged fast with AI. I was doing these in twenty two and I mean, twenty three. And so so now I'm like, oh, I'm going to be powered up. And certainly I am able to get a lot more information. than I was at the time, because I was relying on maybe five sources of information, because that's literally all that is available. You're certainly not going to get anything from WebMD or Healthline. And so now it's good to be able to start explaining and learning a little bit more about what these mechanisms are. But yeah, my guess is that big pharma is certainly going to suppress this because again, like your insulin is reset.

So if you're a diabetic and you go through this, this kind of thing, you're going to actually fix your insulin. Now what you do when you come out of the fast, that's the most important thing. In fact, as much as I'm going to do the forty day fast, I'm going to do thirty days after where I show people how basically deconstructing my diet starting with you know how I break the fast which is with bone broth um but I know a lot of people that like they break the fast and it's like oh I'm gonna go have a pizza that's like you've just ruined the opportunity to because you've just reset all of your systems and now you've like shocked the system with exactly the wrong thing but if you

build it right like you know again and then after having kind of analyzed how You've been poisoned by big food and all these other things. So if you start deconstructing and then you rebuild from scratch, then like, thirty days after that, you'll literally be eating different things. Your taste buds, and you will not be suffering either. I know that when I break a long fast, I know what I need to eat. I can go into a store and my body will tell me literally what fruit, not fruit, I don't eat fruit, but what vegetables I need or what food I need. I don't even have to think about it. My body's kind of telling me what I need and what I don't need. And if you can remain that

conscious after a fast, then that's actually the case in general. You can actually be in a state where you're actually in tune with your body and what your body actually needs if you listen to it. Yeah. I broke my fast just earlier. In fact, I'm going to have to go. I'm sort of spacing it out. Again, it's like the one resource I was using was this Dr. Sten Ekberg. So I watched a few of his videos and he's into fasting as one of his main discussion topics, both intermittent and longer ones. And so he was saying, oh, to break a fast that you have some duration on, you don't want to start yet. Like you say, pizza is terrible, but just any kind of carb dense thing is pretty terrible.

Apparently he was like, start with fat, right? Fat and then bone broth, kind of a deal, some probiotics of some kind, like those are the, so I started with an avocado. I just had a fresh avocado with salt. Yeah, I usually do bone broth, maybe with some vegetables in it, and then sauerkraut, which is a great way of kick-starting your gut bacteria, and then space it out from there, and then maybe introduce some eggs or something. And by the way, if you break your fast with sugar, it can actually be deadly. anyway for any reason, You shouldn't have sugar but if you break a fast with sugar, you could actually have a very serious problem. So that's something to take note of.

yeah good to know I mean I think it's it feels like it's been working so far I was like I had the avocado and then I started cooking basically making my own vegetable broth I made a veggie soup with an onion and a tomato and some spinach and just simmered it and let it develop That with some yogurt, sort of similar to your bone broth with vegetables and sauerkraut. Same kind of idea. Feels good so far. Yeah. Yep. No, that's a that's a that's a perfect. It sounds like a perfect thing to eat coming out of a fast. So. Well, that's great. Well, you know, I applaud you for that. And I and I will spend some time on that,

too. Not that I not that anybody's going to be doing the forty days with with me, but however long people are doing it. I mean, I want to document this for. For future fasts. And as I was talking to a friend of mine who, so before COVID and before doing the CBDC stuff, I was going on meditation retreats and really focusing on kind of exploring consciousness and everything else and was working with some friends of mine about how do we raise, we're all programmable beings and our subconscious has been programmed You know, by whatever came in before we were seven and then whatever we were indoctrinated with school and all these external

influences and media and big tech and sports and everything else. And so if you really want to get rid of you need to get rid of that programming and then you and then you can determine you can basically decide to program yourself. But how do you get people involved? to even be aware of this of this idea and this concept because people are so stuck their identities are so stuck to what they're programmed to do and I I'm like if you had people I would imagine I can't imagine we'd like to have five people having a conversation on a seven day fast because you have seven you have five people that are completely present in that moment there's no I mean, again, I'm trying to visualize what

this conversation would be like, but I bet there would be some incredible, incredible breakthroughs that you would have if that happened. I mean, I bet that that has happened in human history back pre-civilization, right? When hunter-gatherers, you know, sometimes shit gets hard and they go dry. They go food dry for a while. You know, you would get an entire tribe that maybe hasn't really eaten in a week or a week and a half sitting around a campfire at night and trying to talk, you know, figure things out. So... And yeah, of course, if they manage to survive to produce the children that lead to us,

probably those conversations helps to bootstrap into real solutions. Well, it'd be interesting to do now. Yep. I saw these series of conversations between David Bohm the physicist and Krishnamurti who is a spiritual guy who was the head of I can't remember the name of the the movement now he was kind of brought in as this this Indian guy to head up this this spiritual movement and he realized it was it was kind of a scam and then Bohm was actually kind of blacklisted from physics by Einstein and Oppenheimer because he had some ideas that it looks like turned out to be actually true. He's really promoted this idea that,

you know, we live in a holographic universe and was actually, I believe his group might've actually proven kind of the double slit experiment, but this was like years after he'd already been blacklisted. And some of his research was actually suppressed by Einstein and Bohm. these two guys got together But anyway, from like complete, so the spiritual guy and then the scientific guy, and they had these conversations. I just remember Bohm saying, imagine what it would be like if you know, you could get people together to have a conversation where they leave their baggage, their preconceived notions and everything else to the side and just actually had a fully present conversation in the moment.

I thought, you know, I was struck by that comment and then I realized well, fasting could be an interesting tool. I'm familiar with those conversations, not because I've listened to them necessarily, but because Daniel Schmachtenberger has referenced them multiple times as being really important. So maybe now I definitely need to look them up and have a listen. Yeah, I mean, some of them are better than others. I actually liked Bohm's interview about it, probably maybe more even in the conversations themselves. But there's a really interesting documentary called Infinite Potential, The Life and Ideas of David Bohm. And I watched this when it came out and I was blown

away because I wasn't familiar with this guy's history. And so the stuff that I was talking about with him being kind of you know blacklisted by by einstein and everything else like I just didn't realize that and it seems like he might have actually been uh ahead of his time a bit um just to along that theme when you're talking about um past experiences like first we need to you know subconscious before seven and and getting in that that's actually one of the basic themes in that castinated Don Juan Mathis that I spoke about last thing and they actually have a particular practice for getting rid of that you actually go systematically

go back and remember every moment of your life and they have a scientific way of doing it and practice I call recapitulation and you actually release all that energy you got stuck on all your best experiences And through reliving them, you actually relive them as a third, like outside viewing them and see everything you didn't see when you experience them the first time. That was interesting. If you look into some of that, I wanted to go back real quick. You had mentioned back to the fasting, you're using an AI guide or to gather research. Is that correct? I'm not using an AI guide I've done this before I but

I'm using AI just to as I'm going through it to to research. You know what's going on, you know biologically on a day by day basis, but I've done the fasting before I'm not using a guide for that, but. But when I when I've done these things in the past, there really wasn't there weren't too many reference materials at all. I had to dig quite a bit. I mean, you know, trying to I'm trying to act like twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three is the dark ages. But but in a way it is for trying to get this kind of information, because if you are going to Google or if you're going to DuckDuckGo, then then all you're going to get is Healthline WebMD and all you're going to get is, oh,

we don't recommend that you do this or consult a doctor or blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But at least now, if you massage it correctly or whatever, you can get some information more about what's going on. But this is why I'm actually thinking about, you know, building an AI and loading some of this information into it. Taking, I think, fasting.com or fasting.org, which is the Dr. Goldhaber website. uh, it's his site. It links to his, his water fasting clinic is called true North. Um, and so he's compiled a whole bunch of, of, of research, his own research that he has compiled over the years along with other, other research. And I think it'd be interesting to be able to

search through that. Um, because, um, Because otherwise, again, I was mentioning, so I was thinking to myself, well, because one of the concerns people have is how much muscle you're going to lose. And I mentioned the guy, the guy that holds the record for fasting, fasted for three hundred and eighty two days. And and I guess he didn't he didn't lose that much muscle at all. And most of the muscle that is lost. Happens in the first three days or when you still have some glycogen and you're going through through that process, but your body kind of goes into protection mode. So, so you're not really losing that much muscle, but I'm like, well, what if you lift weights?

is it possible that when you're You know, going through this autophagy process, you might be able to reclaim some of the amino acids you need to build muscle? I mean, this is just a thought. I don't, I have no idea. So I'm asking Grok about this. I'm like, well, you know, I asked at first the general question of, can you build muscle on a fast? And it gave me all of the standard information that you would get back, which is, well, the only way that you can build muscle is if you are in a calorie surplus and you have to have this amount of protein because you need the amino acids. So just give me all that other stuff. I said, okay, well, is there any research that's been done on this?

And then it says, well, I would discourage you from doing this. And I'm like, well, do you have any research on this? Do you have any research on a prolonged fast? Is there any research on it? there's intermittent And it's like, well, fasting and there are claims that you can intermittent fast, people that have made and still gain muscle, but it's at a slower rate. I'm like, well, that's different. Intermittent fasting is different state if you're you're in a completely past day three in a prolonged fast. So that's not even a comparison. So then I'm asking, okay, well, so then what it ended up telling me was, all right, well, the only people that have done, you know,

prolonged fast are usually people that are uh either in a you know poor medical state where they're attending a clinic like this or they're or severely overweight and and don't don't lift weights anyway so I said I'm querying on that so so basically what you're saying is you don't have any data and and in fact then it said yeah we don't have any data but you know in theory you're right you could autophagy could could do this. And then, and then I said, well, you know, why haven't there been any studies? It's like, well, the independent review board would find even doing a study like this to be outside of the bounds because of the risk to, to the patient.

And so, you know, so like, so which is, which, okay, well, what's that based on, right? So we literally have this entire system that that does not want to explore this. So there is no data that I've been able to find yet of anybody doing weightlifting on a really prolonged fast. So I still don't know what the answer is, although I think I got the answer myself because I did lift weights, light weights. But I had a dream and I don't I don't often remember my dreams unless I decide I want to remember my dreams. But I was in this state and I just remember I was eating rice and beans in the dream, I'm not usually eating. which is weird. And then something like

tyrosine came up in my head in the dream. And then I woke up and so I'm like, OK, this I'm guessing that that's that's my body saying, you know, it's probably not getting whatever. it needs to build muscle. So I'm not pushing that issue. That was how I read that. And I'm not usually a dream interpretation kind of guy, but in this sense, I felt like that was something because it was that unusual of an experience. Okay. Yeah. No, the dream thing, You got to listen to your body. I definitely agree with. So was the AI hesitant to give you information? Yes. And are you, of course,

you're using a centrally controlled AI. Well, I use a variety of different AIs. I mean, I use Venice. I use... Venice is private, but it's still... Well, I use all of them, most interested in, but the one that I'm the and I don't have access to it yet, but I keep on asking Mike Adams to run queries on his Enoch database. And so, so, I mean, I'm trying, you know, obviously if I had his database, I'd be running, you know, a hundred queries probably a day. And so I'm not gonna like, you know, ping him on that. So, but I'll just, I just, but I actually just gave him a couple of test questions. And so it came back with answers that were materially different than any other AI I've used so far.

So I'm extremely excited about getting his. But it also didn't seem like his was trained on a lot of fasting data. So I think it would be interesting to pull together as much of this fasting information as possible from different sources. water only extended fasting clinic in germany and they have they have some data just I don't think anybody is anybody's compiled it and put it into a way that can be searched either by an ai or by a search engine so it's just a lot of you know here and there what I'm querying about is let's go back to the Xano and private transactions and things like that. I think that ethos goes on to a couple of different, well, many different things.

But two things that I'm also focused on myself as far as besides the transactions is energy. I think we should, everybody should have their own source of energy and we can talk about that. But AI also, AI is such a powerful tool And it's right now it's controlled by pretty much one hundred percent by companies and governments. We don't have anything out there that I mean, you can go download the dolphin model and find data and train it or whatever they call it. I've looked it up. But even then, unless you've got a couple of really hot, expensive video cards, you're not going to be able to run, you know, an eight billion point A.I.

query with any speed. Well, this is why I'm on the wait list for this NVIDIA project digits thing. It's like four thousand dollars. It's this big. It's like a gold box, but it's a pretty powerful system that you can have on your desktop. So I kind of look at it. I agree with exactly what you're saying. This is like the idea of this is your self-custody AI. I think people should have their self-custody AI just like you should have your self-custody crypto wallet. And, you know, and he's designed his where it's like, yeah, you don't have to be connected to the Internet. But but I would, you know, use that to experiment with, you know, creating creating my own model based on, you know,

I would be interested in putting in data related to either the subjects of consciousness or or fasting. Those are the two that I'm the most interested in doing a deep dive on. And then, you know, training it on some interesting data sets and then making that information available to people. Because, you know, again, right now it's, I pieced this together over years and now it's actually hard for me. So as I'm doing these podcasts, I'm showing some of the information to try to get high level points out. But I really do want to compile all of this because I think if people understood what was going on here, they'd be stunned. It's a complete one-eighty thing. in viewpoint from which I

would say again if you did a standard poll I think most americans would think uh you'll die if you don't eat food for three days I think if you did a think most people would long-term fast like this that it would completely damage your health and without any knowledge of this underlying stuff so I think it'd be good to compile this but I think it'd also be good to compile people's personal experiences, because I think personal experiences do matter. I think what practitioners are doing is important. And so like the ability. So, you know, Chris has his experience. I have my experience, Dan O'Neill. I think people actually actually putting that together and explaining it

is also valuable as well, because I actually I even question some of the scientific methodologies and how it even works. But I think that there is something to fasting, not only for health, but as a springboard for people to start thinking about consciousness in general. I think it's a real power up. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. I, I had a, while you and Chris were sitting here talking about, I had a thought about, um, I know Gary Brekka does his stuff, but what, what, what initially, uh, made me, uh, take notice of him is he used to be basically an actuary and you, I'm in the health industry, the insurance side, you know, what it all is, but his company was, um,

they were buying a term and whole life policies from people. So, He has a database of three hundred million people's medical records going twenty, thirty years back. Yes. Wow. The guy can sit there and could tell you within a month pretty much when you were going to die because he could see he knew when you started taking statins and that he could tell you the next seven steps that your doctor was going to put you on for the next fifteen years before you died or, you know, any of those, the diabetes, the any of that. And that's what really why I noticed what he was saying. And then I thought, well, what if you had AI trained on that?

All that data. Oh, yeah. Training AI on actuarial data. That would be, yeah. Wow. don't want that information. I think a lot of people Well, yeah. And then you've got to take it to the next level. I mean, the real power in AI, if we want to be honest, who who's going to control the world you know, is predictive power. Yep. Who, you know, who, you know, what you can predict. I give a little shout out to the I'm, Satori network. One that I work with, um, is diversified, but they, uh, uh, are distributed network. That's what they're working on is something for the people. So you can predict whatever you want to predict. Um, But that's where people, I think, really need to take notice of AI.

That's what scares me, is not what anybody can go research. I love it for research. That's why I'm asking how you're using it. That's an ultimately powerful tool. But predictably, it can happen. I found Grok three, I got into using AI when it sort of blew up a couple few years ago, like late twenty, twenty two or whatever. And then after I played around with it for a bit, I just sort of lost interest. And, you know, I could anticipate the weaknesses and it wasn't that beneficial. You know, it wasn't like, oh, man, this is blowing my mind and making doing things a lot easier. But Grok three has impressed me. I started

playing with that. And as a research tool, it is definitely very powerful, but it's also pretty easy to see that it is trained and references a lot of mainstream, if I can still use that term really, but yeah, it's sort of sampling the consensus beliefs of everything as a default. And it takes a little work to move it off of that, to move it into territory where it's, playing with fringe concepts a little more. Yeah, you definitely have to nudge it. And I remember when I first started using ChatGPT, and it's before they put

any real safeguards on it. So I was doing research for my book on the Trilateral Commission and Bilderberg Group and everything else. And I was actually able to get it to come up with some pretty interesting information. Like, OK, who's been on the board of all of these four organizations? I was actually able to get a bunch of information out of it. early on and then when I went back like ninety days later it wouldn't it wouldn't produce the results of the search and so the most dangerous thing about ai is is the people that are putting putting this filtering layer on and you know claude has a has their very like you know effective altruist kind of mindset so they're they're

pretty pretty woke on on this I will tell you that like for this week like chat gpt has really leveled up. chat GPT is by far the best for graphics, I was able to create I created a bunch of these beautiful memes for Roger using chat GPT. And so they've actually fixed this to the point where you can specify your own template for an image or for me. So I can say, well, here's my brand identity. Here are the fonts that I use. Here's kind of the general style. And then it will create these images like that. And it's very accurate now with the text. It's not perfect. but I mean I could have it put a watermark on there so it creates the meme with the text in my font with

beautiful absolutely beautiful imagery and then with even a watermark on it like wow this this this is a game changer because I create memes all the time but I mean if I'm using adobe or whatever it's it's pretty pretty bad but where it's completely fails is They won't allow images of public figures. So I had a slide on the presentation today where I was talking about the strategy for this campaign, which is we need to target Trump and Pam Bondi and people in their orbit. And I couldn't get it to include pictures. of either of them. And then I said, well, OK, why don't you just create me the meme with the text and then leave silhouettes? And then, no, I can't do that either. And it starts.

I'm like, OK, well, create the meme with no silhouette. Just put the text on the thing. And it wouldn't do that either. So I'm like, really, you can't talk about politicians at all like, like, so, so chat GPT is really bad about that. I mean, if you can't use chat GPT, why can you not use chat GPT to talk about active politicians and political situations? I mean, that's, that's just mind boggling. So you I mean, you're right that you can you begin, you begin to like feel the weaknesses of each of these models, which is why I use so many different models. But in order to get something done, it's like, Yeah. You've got to compile a whole bunch of stuff together and then maybe

it's good for research, but you still want to, like if I'm writing an article for Brownstone or something, I'll use it for research, but then I have to make sure that I actually check the sources. that it claims that it's drawing from directly. I need to actually review the, the primary source or something, if I'm going to put it in a, in a, in a real article, but it is still, it's still a valuable, a valuable tool, but the, the, the acceleration that's going on right now, even this in the image area has been, I think in the last just two weeks, Gemini two point five or came out or Gemini two, whatever it is, but they came out with their, their new image model,

and it basically makes Adobe useless. I mean, it allows you to do something that most of these AI image things won't let you do, which is you can edit an actual image. will generate images, And usually these things but they don't generate the same image the same way. And if you ask it to make a change, it'll actually create a whole new image. This one is so powerful that you can go in and you can take like an image from Google that has the Getty Images watermark on it, and it will actually remove the watermark. And so just in the last two weeks between Chad GPT and Gemini and then Mid Journey AI, and then I think something called Reeve, it's like this stuff is, people are not aware of how

fast this is going. I saw this thing today. Somebody trained an AI on all of the episodes of Tom and Jerry. And then they were able to run a prompt, basically a script, and create a complete new episode of Tom and Jerry from scratch. And when you see this episode of Tom and Jerry, at first when they said, oh, this was created versus AI, I thought somebody was pulling a prank because they just uploaded an old episode. And it wasn't. It was completely AI generated. And so honestly, I can't even imagine by the end of this year where images and video are And audio are going to be. It's just it's mind boggling. This is going on. It's the end of Netflix and

things you're going to go on. You're going to say, give me a Marvel superhero movie with along this theme. And boom, you know, thirty seconds later, you're going to start watching your movie. Oh, I don't like this. Let's change the plot a little bit, you know. Literally, that's going to happen in movies. That's impressive, but I mean, it is destructive to the cohesiveness of society. How much did people bond over like, oh, did you see the last episode of yada, yada, whatever show? And now if everybody's watching their own particular version of oh yeah I just made a new marvel movie that I'm one of like four people that it's seen you can't talk to anybody else about you know

did you see the new marvel movie it could be right now like just have you guys know who galen is the greek writer yeah you know like we've got like ten percent of him translated why have we not ai'd all of it What is in that knowledge they don't want people to know? Well, there's so much in Sanskrit that also hasn't been translated. And so many things. But I mean, I could pretty much tell you three major religions would be blown apart if you actually started telling people the original texts. Yep. No, that's absolutely true. Yep. It's just lying to us everywhere.

There's an interesting book, Life, I think it's called. Actually, the opening chapter of the book talks about a scenario where AI starts to take over. Actually, now it's clear to see how it could happen. There's this thing called Manus, which is basically an agent AI. that this Chinese company made. I'm on the wait list for it, but basically it's one of these things where you feed it a prompt, where it's like, create a website that does this, this, and this. And it not only creates the plan, it will create the website, upload it to the server. I mean, if you give it the instructions, I'll actually do marketing for it and everything else. And this life three point O thing is about an AI that

starts out and creates a movie um and then markets the movie and then basically accumulates a whole bunch of wealth and then the ai is is then evolving from there and then branching out using the money that it's made from that and then all of a sudden this ai becomes super powerful you could almost you could see that now I could see somebody taking this manus agent model and then tying it in with these the video and image thing and yeah it's like okay and you could do it just with a simple prompt you don't even have to write a long script you could have the ai write you a script so this is happening so these these music clips that I that I play at the beginning of each episode I

mean I've created like fifteen to twenty songs now some of them are better than others but some of them are actually really good I actually like some of the songs and the way that I go about doing is I'm using a couple of different different ai's I've played around with with different models but I mean I've gotten to the point where I've got a chat gpt project where I'm like I use something called sunu uh to create the ai music and then I use chat gpt to basically create the lyrics and define what the genre is to put the right input into suno and then I click a sudden I think wow this the button and then all of is you know I certainly would never have been able to create any of this music

but like this is really powerful I can't even imagine what the next version of that is going to be like I mean I think version five of that is going to be indistinguishable for people well I hope it's create me a crypto wallet with these features that put this coin this coin this coin in it make it accessible like this and boom write me the app because we're severely lacking in in apps for everyday users Well, so my son, my son working on that, he's working on a point of sale system right now. He's, I guess, vibe coding a bit on that. And in fact, that's on my list is to spec that to spec that out. But the point of sale system is is the next is the weakness to me.

we have I think cake wallet is I mean, pretty solid. But but the slowdown to adoption for peer to peer commerce is is clearly a point of sale system right now. And so, So I want to work on that. But the thing is, it has to be open source because one of the reasons that the point of sale systems, there have been some decent point of sale systems that have been built and they've been shut down or forced out for legal reasons, maybe not even due to their own technology, but because of unrelated things. But if you've got a corporate structure for a point of sale system, then it's going to be easy for somebody to come in and say, hey, you can't take privacy coins. um so that's a big point of

failure yeah there's well there's a lot I mean cake wallet yeah that's a good wallet but there's several coins I'd like to have that I can't have in there uh you know there's no wallet that has all the coins I want um that's you know plug and play wallet is really really what what you need and unfortunately you're not going to solve all the governance without It's a multi chain problem. Massive multiple chain, you know, yeah, all of it, because it's not just obviously, it's not just finance, it's titling, it's assets, it's, you know, daily transactions, there's so many things that need to be run by the blockchain. It's also just it, there's no single network that necessarily has

technology that could function as the full global transaction network. And so as you've got other people, new projects popping up and trying to innovate to solve that tech issue, you get different network structures. So every wallet, has to account for not just the existing network structures if you want it to be fully capable of letting you hold any coin but also as new ones emerge you've got to add those so it's it's not like a it's not as trivial a project as it would you know we'd like it to be I guess no no it's not true it's not trivial at all and then you know between pos and proof of work and you know the hybrids between that and

then you have to throw an asset for you know level one assets on something like xano's uh assets don't come out you know that's not native in the wallet you have to program that specifically for xana um or you know evr the other ones that do that flow and you just can't accommodate for each new coin that comes out so that's a problem I think it's more of a problem though of seeing I'd rather why can't my banking app that I use now my mom uses her banking app she's in her eighties you know why why why does crypto have to be harder than that partially I would say

because one of the core tenets of crypto for crypto to really work is individual responsibility right it's like you actually have to manage your stuff and it's it's not going to be sitting with a third party that offers you all kinds of protections and make sure that the user experience is really convenient and does all this stuff behind the scenes it's like it's the trade off of crypto is we get the freedom, we get the transact ability to go peer to peer, but to some degree, that means we have to take back a lot of things that we have basically offloaded to

centralized entities. You know, you could certainly still have banks custodying your, your crypto. There's no reason why that model, you know, I could certainly sign with a bank, a contract with a bank to custody my crypto and, and, you know, just like they do my dollars now. I personally wouldn't do that, but I can see, I certainly see where that service, a lot of people would want that service. But I still don't see, I still think even, other than setup, obviously, your twelve words, you're, you know, getting all your initial setup. But once you're set up, your crypto wallet, it shouldn't be, in most cases, it's not much more difficult than using, you know, going on and using,

I don't use Apple Pay. Some of those are, I don't like the one touch base on anything. But, you know, as making a credit card payment or an Amazon payment or things like that, you're simply setting up a new payment source. I went and changed the credit You know, card payment today and I had to put in the sixteen numbers in those. What's different than that than putting in a different crypto wallet? Obviously, multi-chain payments are difficult. I mean, I don't think we can have a hundred, two hundred, three hundred different um chains for for financial payments but I see but not all chains are need to be for finances I mean need to be money currency at all I

think twitter or x needs to be uh you know and youtube I think all of that needs to be pulling from the blockchain I think this right here should be uploading to a blockchain while we're doing it. And then Aaron sends a key to the four or five, six different social media places that want to display this. And then he retains ownership of his videos. And if they don't like what he says, then YouTube blocks him, but it's still going on X and pay TV and stuff like that. You know, bat, you guys use brave. What do you do with your bat? That's a difficult one there. I'm surprised after how many years is it now? Five years that they've been doing this?

One of the best crypto use cases I've ever seen in my mind. Getting paid for watching ads that Google makes billions off of. But it's difficult to use. Yeah, it is difficult to use. And the whole, I mean, you know, BSV is working on, you know, putting everything on the blockchain. I think it's an interesting one. I don't think we should have one global blockchain. I don't like the surveillance aspect of it. I think it moves things more towards a technocracy. But I spent a lot of time looking at BSV and playing around with it. And, you know... You know, one use case for crypto is micropayments.

if you actually have the right model, I mean, and that opens up a whole world of I mean, new business models that just aren't possible when You have to, you know, pay two point nine percent, thirty cents every time you use a credit card or if you're if you have all these other delays and other issues using banking system. There are all kinds of things that could come out of that. But did you ever see that? Remember the Alexia browser that was being developed? did you ever see that no they were it was they there was a god I can't remember the name of the alexia was the secondary project because it was the browser they were building a blockchain that would index everything on the internet

and and and but they demoed and they it was it was about three three the devs they demoed streaming You could listen to a song, and the longer you listen to it, your Bitcoin payments were streaming at that point. Now, this was before the last update, that made it almost impossible to I guess, do that. But streaming Bitcoin payments in the pennies, because you're only paying ten, fifteen, twenty cents for that song. That's what you're talking about, micropayments. Yeah, that exact thing. That was something BSV talked about all the time. You get paid to watch part of a movie, you pay for the part of the movie that you watch and

then all kinds of other applications. Use a search engine instead of you being the product. Pay a fraction of a cent for a search on a search engine. There's a whole bunch of things when you start brainstorming micropayments that would be thinking about and would be game changing, but we're nowhere near that now. But you know, what is it, Nano? I played around a little bit with Nano, but I don't know too much about it, but I know they have micropayments. They're integrated into the Cake Wallet and you can use Nano to actually use chat GPT without being tracked and having an account or something. They've got a few AIs.

tied into that. But, you know, look, there are a lot of different tech. I welcome the fact that they're going to be a lot of different technologies out there and that there isn't going to be one, you know, and then that will be a whole opportunity for people to create front end systems and, for for making it easier for you know, people to connect these things. Have you looked at the Optio blockchain yet? OPTIO? It's optio.community. Parler's back. And they're apparently integrated with Optio. I don't know. I can't figure out exactly how, but it's all, I mean, Parler, Parler's got Parler Play TV, which is their YouTube alternative. And then they've got the Parler Wallet,

Parler Pay. which is a pretty decent little wallet. I've been cross-posting these things, your stuff over on Parler, just to let you know. Thank you. Shout out to the chick. She's really pushing your stuff. I know you've seen her over on X, but she does here on Parler, too. We're getting paid in Optio daily. I think I'm making about two bucks a day, dollar and dollar seventy-five a day. And they're talking about your data, you own it, privacy and all this. I just, I don't see the software. I don't see the GitHub and they don't have a discord. So I can't go in and ask questions directly.

Well, I, I, I haven't thought about parlor or I think I, I think I created an account when it, uh, when it came out and then, and then I just haven't, I haven't looked at it and Well, I'll tell you the number of views we're getting is incredible. I've got a little video about that project I talked about over on YouTube, and maybe it's gotten a hundred, two hundred views. It's got two thousand views on Play TV within two or three days. It doesn't have the crypto stuff as much. You know, that's where I, and it's all, it's a lot of conservative news it's,

right now. Nothing wrong with that. You know, it's, it's, but, but it's a lot of engagement and the fact that they're paying you in crypto, I like, and let me see if I've got a, I'll draw. If you don't have one, I'll drop you a little invite. I just created, I just created one. I'm a, I'm ARD ventures. I've got ARD ventures. I got nothing. I got zero connections, zero network. whatever account I had before Apparently, might have been under something else. Yeah, okay. Here you go. I think I just saw him. Total other subject. Where'd you go? I... several weeks, months ago, whatever, I recommended to you, Aaron,

the band Polyphia. Did you give them a listen? Did you? I did. I did. They're now in my... I liked They're in my feed now. a couple of the songs. Nice. Yeah, I have a very similar opinion to you regarding the just lack of inspiring music of any kind where it's just the stupid lyrics, stupid repetitive kind of... structures, that sort of thing. Well, I don't know if you've heard it, but there's a, not related to me, but some guy, Dr. Richard Day, and I don't know if this material is accurate or not, but there was a book written about it, some guy who Dr. Richard Day was the chief medical officer of Planned Parenthood and he was somewhere in Pittsburgh or whatever.

He does exist and this is true. He allegedly sat down with a group of doctors and gave this long talk about how there's a whole coordinated plan to basically hyper-sexualize people, to destroy music. Basically, the beginning process of separating people from families and kind of moving in a particular direction. I've been able to verify that the veracity of the, I bought the book, but one of the things that it said was that they were going to deliberately make music discordant and, uh, and to do it, to have, you know, the negative psychological effects on people. So I don't know if that book was true, but I'll tell you, it certainly seems viable

because when I listened to music from different decades and I I'm pretty eclectic with my musical tastes and I just, I listened to the stuff now and, and, Well, now we know from a whole variety of sources, like I don't know if you've gone down this rabbit hole, but basically the Beatles were a construction. Most of the like the counterculture stuff in the nineteen sixties from San Francisco has ties to the CIA and MK Ultra. I mean, and on and on down the line, we talked about, you know, music was being used to engineer, try to engineer a revolution in Cuba. And there are all of these other examples. much of our music is fake. So I don't even know how Is Taylor Swift a CIA agent? I mean,

a friend of mine from the Brownstone Institute has written some articles about this. He's actually done quite a bit of research about the Tavistock Institute in England and then the CIA. And so it gives you a completely different perspective on music. And then when you understand you know, things like meditation, when you're in a meditative state, you're actually tuning into a different frequency and you think, okay, what are they actually doing here well, with the frequencies and the music? And, uh, but it, but the modern stuff is, is clearly like, I listened to a top ten list. I can't listen to a top ten list Well, where you start listening to it. It's like, wow, what,

what happened here and then you study who the artist is and you realize that these artists are constructs these artists are like oh yeah you know some music studio you know found some stripper and then you decided to create them into a brand and so um I would have thought that would have been fixed at some point. You would think with the internet and decentralized technology that you wouldn't have this situation where agents and other third parties are still controlling very much what becomes popular and how the productive process works for music and film. But they still have a stranglehold on it. The decentralization and independent artists gaining traction hasn't really

panned out that much. No, because the centralization of the apps you use to listen to this stuff on. have an app out there that It's not like you can just picks up that little band that's only got five thousand followers. But it has some really great music. You're not going to hear them. I'll give you an example. Have you guys heard of Feel? F-E-E-L? F-E-E-L? No. The band Feel. They're new. I love them. I think they're new. They're new to me. But they sound like Southern Fried Led Zeppelin. They're a classic rock band. And I think they don't have a label or anything. They're doing it all independent. They're going on tour. uh but that's just it

they're you know they you're not going to hear about them because nobody's out there pushing them they're not going to get on you know a gig on spotify or itunes or things like that unless they even like you go back you're like you're saying you go back and look at the early days of bieber uh justin bieber that wasn't organic As we came to find out, you know, we all thought this was a thirteen year old kid playing this great music, you know, you know, that he wrote. But no, it wasn't. He was all pushed. So, yeah, you're exactly right. I think it's I think it's the apps and the platforms we hear them on. We got no I long for the days of the late the late nineties, Internet wide open and

everything was on there. Yeah, back when we were using Napster. No, I just mean everything was, I remember like in two thousand ten, I was just messing around. The entire FAA crash database was wide open on the Internet to search. Yeah, you could do from from like twenty years. just incredible amounts of just information that was a bit. Now you can't find, remember when you used to do a, when Google first came out and you do a search and you could fifth and six page, they were still pulling up more research papers and more web crawler, you know, would go out there and, you know, you could find the data that you have to use AI now to find. Yep. Because you know, it would pull that,

that doctorate paper from university of Kansas or whatever. Yeah, no, that's true. That's one of the alarming things because I remember search engines, InfoSeek and Altavista and all those other things, and those things were engines that took a while. actually real search before Google became really censored because Google was great at the beginning. And then now it's now, yeah, it's just the pages, particularly if you're looking at health information, it's just it's all a predefined set. And that is clearly there's some top down control over that. I mean, because because it also affects DuckDuckGo. I mean, DuckDuckGo is useless. I don't even I got off of them. Yeah. My default search at this

point is brave search, and I'm sure that it's also not perfect certainly not perfect but it's it's also uh it's less restricted but they admit that they do use other engines in other places so they you know yeah they're not doing the a lot of the the restricting but they're restricted themselves from what I understand something like that there's a word that I want to use but it's it's escaping me right now so And then, well, what about energy? Why don't we have free, clean energy? That is just because it's not really possible. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Speaking physics, it's not really a thing.

Okay. I'm not talking about perpetual motion, but. I'm sorry, Stan Myers HH generator works. Paul Pantone's geek works. Malcolm Bendall's thunderstorm generator works. Brilliant lights, sun in a coffee cup work. And there's many, many more out there. where we're able to pull ambient energy out of the earth, out of the air, out of the whatever. So the pushback I will give you here is that this is a first order line of thinking because energy free is just doesn't exist. If you want to harvest energy,

you're taking it from something and that has consequences for the thing that you take it from. So let's say we take one of these other devices and scale it up and start pulling energy out of other places. Well, we don't really understand the For instance, consequences of that. the one that gets kicked around the most would be zero point energy, right? ZPE or whatever, which basically from what I gather is based on quantum fluctuation, pair creation and annihilation, and basically using that to take energy, but even in that case, it's like, well, why doesn't nature do this? And the knock on

consequences of all of these energy sources, the idea that they could be free and clean, I think is fallacious. They might be cheaper and they might be clean in the ways that we currently understand the kinds of effects we have on the environment. But by no means are they going to be incredible, perfect solutions to our energy problems. Perfect is a bad word, but incredible solutions to our energy problems. I think that we do have tremendous energy

alternatives, and they've been suppressed by the Invention Secrecy Act of nineteen fifty two, at which there has been over five thousand patents that are suppressed. And essentially what happens is, you know, my understanding of this is that each federal government department can basically come in and if somebody submits a patent, they can claim that, well, this is either a national security threat or it's a threat to economic security. And so my understanding is that that it again, this doesn't mean completely free energy, but but The idea that what we're using right now is absurd and it's something that has been completely manipulated by the crony process using this Invention Secrecy Act.

I don't know what all of these alternatives are, but I mean, certainly Tesla, interestingly, had a whole bunch of research that was magically confiscated from his hotel room when he died and not made available. He was obviously working on some pretty cool things ahead of its time. So I actually think that there are energy technologies out there that are, again, not perfect, but would be massive improvements over what we have right now. And cronyism has suppressed it. well stan meyer is a perfect example his his hydrogen generator okay it's no it's not free energy it's very very efficient electrolysis and it's simple concept he

takes a cut he takes a capacitor they're using water as the insulator insulating medium They charge them. Now he puts a resistor so it doesn't get spikes between the two panels, but you, you overcharge the capacitor. And when you overcharge the capacitor, the insulating medium breaks down. So the water separates the oxygen and hydrogen separates. You can make that reaction happen. And it's much less electricity to separate water that way than it is in traditional, um, Hey, my buddy and I, he built the generator in a mason jar, and we charged up a battery and got on his moped and drove for fifteen miles. Straight hydrogen.

These are not difficult things. Malcolm Bendall's thunderstorm generator, you can build it right now today. They've got physicists that they're demonstrating it to that say it is absolutely working. They've got all the meters on it. You can sit there and watch the videos. You can read all the math. Basically, they're using uh, electrostatic magnetic and, and vacuum, uh, uh, pressure to atomize water and burn the hydrogen. They're saying plasmoids and things like that, but it gets a lot. Maybe I'm, I'm, I'm more on the, on the, uh, and, and Geet did it with the Geet does it on, on any hydrocarbon. You can do it with old motor oil.

And I've got one in my garage working to go and built on a, on a, uh, on a, on a, on a, uh, Briggs and Stratton, three point five horsepower lawnmower. So, I mean, these these things are not that difficult and they've been around forever and these are you're right, they're not free. But they're incredible. You can take two welding rods, put them in hydrocarbon waste, and basically burn them. And you're going to come off with what do they call that? Gas. There's a specific gas. And you can run combustion engines off of it to generate electricity and pull high-density metals out of the waste.

And it's incredibly more efficient for generating electricity than using natural gas or anything else. And you're burning up the waste. Same thing with a plasma arc in a zero oxygen environment. You can atomize anything in a plasma arc and then burn it. I've seen people burn and run a little combustion engine off of birdseed. Ran the birdseed through a plasma arc with no oxygen so it wouldn't burn. And then you got it. So these things exist, but you're right. They're suppressed. A hundred percent. But if you guys haven't looked up Malcolm Bendall's stuff, the thunderstorm generator, that's what I'm seeing. That and this one brilliant light. These guys are creating

basically a mini sun. and pulling tremendous solar power off of it. And it's in, you know, in like a spot the size of a coffee cup. And I think that's the next freedom. I mean, I obviously food, energy, and then, you know, the economy. We should have our own thorium reactors. The thorium reactors, I think, yeah, we're definitely way, way behind on that one. Isn't someone building a new one somewhere? I just heard a couple months ago. Thorium salt reactor. I think they're doing them in China.

I haven't heard anything about one in the U.S. Yeah, it may not have been in the U.S. It was on the news, so I didn't dig into it. All right, I need to take off and move on with my evening for now. I will leave you with a recommendation. Have you heard of, what the hell is his name? Have you heard of, and I don't remember his name, Steven Wilson Jr., a musician? No. Okay, you should check him out. And he does a full show

called the it's like live at the print shop, which is like a show slash interview where he plays a bunch of his songs, but he's like a country rock, sort of a blend. And he goes into his background in this, it's like sort of watching a short concert kind of a deal. And he seems like a much more real kind of artist with like, he's talking about real stuff rather than just the next step in hedonism. And he's got a lot of soul. All right. I just, I just found him on Spotify. I've just added him.

So I got his website here. I'll check him out. I will check it out. So thank you for the recommendation. All right, guys. Good chatting with you. Have a good night. Keep up your fast, man. Thanks. All right. Later. Yeah, I'm going to bow to Aaron. It's good talking. I do want to when you plan on having a real world asset use case show. I want to get on that next week and it'll probably be a series of shows. I'm thinking that I actually want to talk about that maybe for several, several episodes because I think people need to be inspired on what all this means and how to use it. And so, so probably starting next week. Okay. That's yeah, that sounds cool. And I'll,

I'll drop you a little link about some of the use cases that I, I have so you can peruse them if you have some time. Awesome. I love, I love studying real world asset use cases. That is my, that's my, my area. I appreciate your time, man. And good luck on the, keep going, keep the fast going. Awesome. Thanks for, thanks for coming on. Have a good night. Bye.