S2E20: Mike Adams on AI, Technocracy & Decentralized Freedom

They tell you what to think. They urge you what to say. They say they're building freedom while they steal your life away. They claim they stand for peace. Compliance they insist. De-decentralize, don't, don't compromise, be unauthorized

Commending what you feel They sterilize your mind with lies And make their fiction real They're reading from a script Performing psyop hits They occupy your conscious mind Until you're done with it

Decentralized, got to realize, don't decarbonize. Decentralized I woke up to silence

The war had begun They froze my account Said I'd done something wrong Wasn't no crime Just living free Now the system Got a chain on me They took my savings My future, my land With a single cold line and a government hand

Said it was safety Said it was green But all I see is tyranny behind the screen to say an innovation It's a trap in disguise You're alone, nothing Be watched all your life Kindness ain't freedom Gravity ain't clear It's a cage they built

I believed in the promise The man with the plan But the same old swamp Just changed its brand He banned the front door Signed the bills that launched a final attack This ain't innovation It's

a trap in disguise You'll own nothing Be watched all your life Genes ain't freedom Colony ain't clear It's a cage they build While we cheer Your gold, your guns, your voice, your name They'll digitize it all then

shift the blame. Palantirizing AI chains. Freedom dying slow in patriotic flames. This ain't about With your ID, your face, your tears, your time They wrapped it in stars, sold it with pride But freedom's bleeding out from the inside DEFCON won and

they call it peace But I still got breath, I still believe We can break the code, escape the scheme Turn this nightmare back into a dream They've been feeding us these lies Since the day that we were born That we

need them to protect us That we can't survive alone But baby, that's a fallacy A chain around my mind Been blinded by their promises While freedom's been denied, oh Critical thinking broke these chains Opened up my eyes to see the game No need for rulers telling me my worth I'm taking back the power that is mine

The truth has set me free at last Government ain't nothing but a cycle Heading toward tyranny They militarized the police force While preaching about democracy But fuck that noise I see the truth now Voluntary system show

I'm taking back the power that is mine by birth, yeah This fallacious belief in their control Has been weighing down my goddamn soul But I'm free at last, free at last Breaking out of their system fast No, no taxation still

In a quiet world, technocracies rise Shadows hide the truth from our eyes Digital chains, freedoms confined Silent whispers fill our minds Wake up from this technocratic dream. Freedom calls, be on screen. Rise above control, reclaim our lives.

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You're not alone, embrace the light. Together we can win this fight. Break the chains, reclaim your dreams. Awaken from technocracy schemes. From this time

Open your eyes. Technocracy fades, freedom will rise. welcome back to the aaron day show season two episode twenty sorry getting a few last minute adjustments done here hope uh hope everyone is well um just give me a few seconds here just trying to update this banner at the bottom of the screen all right let me see

I guess we'll skip that for now. All right, Anyway, welcome back. We have a very interesting show tonight, a great show. I've been looking forward to this for a while. In the last couple of episodes, I've talked about the fact that we're going to have Mike Adams on, and finally that's going to happen. I actually prerecorded this interview last week, but we're still going to have a – Mike's not going to be joining us, but we'll do a live Q&A about the entire podcast tonight. And we'll obviously do our normal interactive group session as well. So there's a ton of content to go through and a lot of updates. So many that I actually decided to not even go into this week. Everything that's going on

with the fallout from the Genius Act and everything else, just because there's not enough time and I don't want this thing to last too long into the night. I think we went for four hours last time. I would appreciate it if you could like and share this. I want to get the numbers up. As you can see, we've got about four hundred people. live now last week we had over twenty thousand people live so that was by far a record and that's very exciting to see because there was quite a bit of follow up from last week's podcast I've done a number of follow-up podcasts. Actually, I've done some interviews even with some people in the mainstream media, which I may talk about a bit more if we have time.

But I will say that some people at least are starting to catch up to what's going on here. We've got a lot of work ahead of us. In fact, I will talk a bit about... I've spent about three or four hours now speaking with somebody in the mainstream media. I won't say who. It's more kind of a... almost a tabloid-ish publication. I'm not going to say which one, but it's one that would get this information out to millions of people. And there's just been a lot of back and forth just trying to explain. And it's been a very interesting process for me because the writer has gone back and forth and checked with other people in the financial press and everything else.

She's not a financial press reporter, but wants to get some clarity on some aspects of this. you know if you're listening to this you're probably somewhat deep into these issues already but even explaining something like the fact that stable coins are backed by treasuries is a foreign concept those words don't mean anything to a general audience so I've spent a lot of time and I'm still spending even more time trying to figure out how do you how do you explain this in a way that you know the average public that doesn't understand how money works, doesn't understand how the Federal Reserve works, doesn't understand crypto, doesn't understand all the rest of the stuff.

What is a way to describe this? Now, part of the conversation in this interview has been about Howard Lutnik. And I do want to say that I do think Howard Lutnik and his firm is probably the single biggest beneficiary of the Genius Act. And I'll explain how. And I'm trying to express just how large scale the corruption is that's going on with this Genius Act and within the Trump administration. Lutnik was the CEO of Cantor Fitzgerald, which is an investment firm located in New York. I'm not going to go into the fact that, you know, it was in the World Trade Center

and he happened to not be at work that day and over six hundred employees died. he was next door neighbors And, you know, to Jeffrey Epstein. I'm not going to go down that path. I'll just go down another path, which is, you know, there's no conspiracy theory about it. It's just blatant facts. Prior to the election, Lutnick's firm, Cantor Fitzgerald, invested six hundred million dollars into Tether. And to be clear on this, it's convertible debt. So they didn't actually buy equity. They have debt that they can convert into equity, which means actually if something happens, if Tether were to get acquired or whatever, they would get paid out first as debt holders, not as equity holders,

which is an important point So they basically lent six of consideration. hundred million dollars to tether which at their option they can convert it's something that you know is the equivalent of owning five percent of tether the reason that they made that investment is so that they could basically get and I don't know if it's exclusive but I'm pretty sure it's the exclusive contract to manage all of the treasuries that back tether this is is basically their core business generated tens of millions And they've already of dollars of fees on this. So let's look at the progression here. They make this investment somewhere between late two thousand and twenty three

and late two thousand and twenty four. And then Lutnik, who has no prior political experience at all, somehow manages to be the chair of Trump's transition team. So again, that doesn't even make any sense. This is not a guy that has a background in this. And even if you said, well, he runs a successful investment firm, it's not a large investment firm. it's not like it's Goldman Sachs or I mean, So why is this guy... And BlackRock. background that says he's there's nothing in his particularly talented with respect to... recruiting people. So why is he in this critical role? Because that role is involved with the actual selection of the cabinet itself, right? This is a critical position

for the administration. So this guy comes out of nowhere and now has this key role. Now, what was he angling for? Well, Lutnick actually wanted to be the treasury secretary. That was what he wanted. So think about this. His company has just invested six hundred million dollars to manage treasuries on behalf of the largest stable coin. And he wanted the role of being in charge of the treasury itself, which issues these treasuries. So how about that for, you know, corrupt and strategic planning? Now, he didn't end up getting. That role probably because when he testified in front of the Senate, he had to disclose this stuff, which is actually how we know all of this information.

He ended up getting Commerce Secretary instead. However, I mean, he was involved with selecting the other people, and he's been talking about the Genius Act, and he's been talking about stable coins from before the election until this very day. He was a strong advocate for the Genius Act. I'm probably going to put out a bounty. And by the way, I haven't decided yet. a hundred or two hundred dollars in freedom dollars or Zeno to anyone that can actually find definitive proof of who wrote the bill. And when I say that, not who the sponsors are, not who the people in the congressional office are that are the front for compiling all this information. I want to know who actually wrote the bill

and who designed the bill. But it has his fingerprints all over it. So I'm trying to explain this concept in the way of, you know, the simplest I've been able to say is, well, we have stable coins or digital dollars. Okay, And Lutnik came in and basically pushed policy where his firm could manage all of the real dollars backing the digital dollars. And he's a direct beneficiary of it. It essentially gives him an incredible amount of control over the move over the entire money supply moving increasingly moving towards forward which is being uh more trackable programmable and censorable so anyway I just that that's one aside but it is interesting talking to reporters and trying to

figure out how to explain this information because to me it's scandalous to me this is far worse than hunter biden being on the board of a ukrainian oil company and far worse than nancy pelosi doing insider trading So I'll do the housekeeping and then we'll jump into the Mike Adams video. So I do want to remind everybody that I am writing for the Agris Cypher, which is a great monthly paid publication. I encourage you to go to AgrisCypher.com and check it out. Great practical advice from people like me, Sal the Agris, John Bush. Derek Brose and others. So you can use coupon code Aaron five. You know, this is another topic. It's not been a great week, by the way, on the war on crypto,

which was supposed to be over. The samurai wallet developers have actually changed their plea from not guilty to guilty. And so they're looking at five years in prison, up to five years. But that also sets a pretty bad precedent. So I encourage you to take a look at that. Roger's situation is still ongoing. His hearing is moved to October. So delay, delay, delay. It'll be four hundred and fifty or something plus days that this is going on by the time that hearing takes place. So no movement that I know of to speak of there. Ian Freeman. So I went to Ian Freeman's appeal hearing and it was on February the third of this year.

So it's almost August. So it took almost six months to get a decision on Ian's appeal. It was completely rejected. So he lost. And now his only legal recourse at this point is the United States Supreme Court. So that's how that's going. So by the way, and I encourage you, the numbers there are low on the petition. So please, please go to freeeannow.org and let's help build up those numbers. We need to kind of push for all of these. crypto prisoners of war, perhaps we can still get a bulk pardon or something for the entire group because certainly the legal side of this is just not going well. I mean, the DOJ has not done the right thing.

It's operating completely differently than the SEC. It's operating completely differently than any of the other federal departments that have perhaps in the crypto realm dropped lawfare. The DOJ has not done that. And then the last is, roman storm and his trial just ended it ended yesterday so the jury is now um performing their deliberations and so we may know as soon as tomorrow we might have known today but we didn't but we we might have a verdict in that case uh by tomorrow I I'd like to be optimistic but it's the southern district of new york and if you've been following it online You know, this is a common problem with this, by the way. It was a problem with Ian's case as well.

You know, imagine a group of people that can't get a jury selection. I mean, excuse me, out of jury duty. I mean, if you're a free stater, you want to do jury duty, but most people do not. Most people figure out a way to get out of jury duty. So, you know, twelve people that couldn't get out of jury duty in the Southern District of New York. You can imagine. what the technical knowledge is. And there was a lot of reporting that there was a lot of yawning and everything else as people were trying to make these technical arguments. So I have no idea how it's going to go, but we'll know soon. But based on all of these cases, based on Samurai and Ian, those are definitively bad outcomes.

Roger is no movement. And then Roman, I mean... We'll see what the court says. We'll see what the jury says, but they never dropped. I mean, they should have dropped the case. And by the way, please go to freeromanstorm.com. He needs financial assistance. I mean, his legal fees, he's raised millions of dollars. Last time I checked, he's trying to increase the total amount to five million. He'd raised, I don't know, three and a half or more, but he literally needs... more money to be able to just continue to fight the legal battle. And think about this. I mean, who can win a legal fight when, you know, I've heard the tactics that the federal government uses. I mean, they'll lose documentation.

They'll do everything to nickel and dime the other side to drive up legal fees as part of the strategy. This is an incredibly problematic situation, so I encourage you to visit that, freeromanstorm.com and donate. There are a lot of events coming up. There's the Polyface Retreat at Joel Salatin's farm. This is going to be a great brownstone event. They're almost sold out of tickets. Last time I checked, they have four hundred total tickets. They had I don't know, thirty nine or something left. So if you want to go, this is September the twelfth of the thirteenth. Please go to Brownstone dot org and get your tickets while you can. Then there's the Peak Prosperity Annual Summit,

which actually overlaps the Brownstone event. But I'm going to be driving from Virginia to Lake Winnipesaukee for the Sunday. So I'll be there September the fourteenth. But I encourage you to, you know, consider one or or both doing both is hard but I consider you know one or one of uh either do polyface or peak prosperity I like both of the events completely different approaches and target audiences but peak prosperity is chris martinson's event and by of interviews with him you the way I've done a bunch might have noticed there we did a two-part so far uh series covering a lot of these issues with the Genius Act, but also the buildup and technocracy and everything else.

And so I always enjoy talking to Chris, interacting with Chris, doing interviews, and also participating with his group. So please check out that event and his content as well. We're going to go to Ron Paul's birthday on August the ninth. I know there are a lot of attend that I mean so far people that are going to I've you know I was just another event this weekend and I know there are a whole bunch of people from that event attending so this is going to be um it sounds like quite quite a party and and a lot of people you know getting back together that maybe haven't been as active for a while so I believe there's still tickets there as well um so with that again just as a reminder

this podcast is about the war here which is technocracy versus freedom and free will is at stake literally free will is at stake our ability to make any decision in our own life and one of my primary areas of focus is on tokenization as the battleground so and we'll talk about that later after the interview with mike I'm going to do an update on um what's going on with um confidential layer and xeno which just launched today so this is exciting news you're going to be able to make your bitcoin ethereum bnb and some other coins private and spendable so that just launched today that's exciting but I'm going to put that in

context as we go through this a bit later so um moving into the technocracy takeover so tonight we're going to be talking about ai and I have about an hour-long interview with mike adams but before I get into that I wanted to discuss a little bit about the white house ai policy and then I want to touch on something that mike and I ran out of time to discuss during the interview but it's really critically important to for people to understand And actually, before we even get into confidential layer, after the interview with Mike, I'm going to talk about kind of a general update on where we are relative to China with technology in general, because Americans are clueless about what's going on.

But in a general sense, the the government, the Trump administration has has outlined a lot of policies. They just announced their crypto policy this week, which just reiterated all of the genius tax stuff, clarity stuff and the ongoing obstructive role of the federal government in all of these areas. And they're doing that in the crypto realm as well. So I want to talk about five things that I've looked at from the policy that are concerning. One is there's a real chance of an energy blackout coming. And actually, I encourage you, you'll hear a lot from Mike, but Chris Martinson has spent a lot of time studying this as well. He's been studying data centers and what is going

on with data centers for quite some time. for actually for the past few years, I mean, and he's been scratching his head at what's going on here. And so we're going to be in a situation – and I just saw something that came across my screen that I'll talk about shortly – where we're actually – we're going to be running out of energy to fuel these data centers. And so essentially what's going on is – and this is probably one of the big catch-alls that's used for government tyranny and complete violation of the Constitution – is we're in this position where people are now saying – Well, as a matter of national security, AI is the huge battleground. And getting to AGI is what

the whole thing is all about. And so whoever gets to AGI first is going to win and have a huge strategic advantage. And so as a result of that, At least based on how the AIs are working right now, you need more computational power to be able to do this. This computational power requires a massive investment in energy. And so this is why energy to operate these data centers. And so this is why you're seeing Oracle and OpenAI with their press conference administration and many with the Trump others announcing these big plans. Well, I talked to somebody, and he may be on tonight, that works in this field. He's actually a lineman and does the day-to-day stuff And I asked him just today, well,

with the electrogrid. what is your experience? What is the current state of our grid? And he's like, our grid is declining. I mean, there are a lot of reasons, regulatory and otherwise. But he said, we're in a complete state of decay. what's going to happen is these data centers come online, they're going to be taking energy from other projects. And in fact, interestingly, we have a problem with Bitcoin mining, which is proof of work, which uses a lot of energy versus what's going on with AI data centers. And it's going to hit the pocketbook of the average American in a massive way. So, you know, these are some quotes from these AI action plan. AI challenges America to

build vastly greater energy generation. Well, yeah, they're trying to do that But that's easier said than done because we're not in the middle of this. I mean, do we even have the talent to be able to build out the infrastructure? Even if we decided strategically we want to do this, do we have the people and the manpower to do it? That's another question. The second area on this is all-seeing surveillance eye, which when you read through this, they talk about the fact that they're going to heavily surveil what other countries are doing with ai and that may sound like a good idea but the thing is when you look into it well what does that even mean a foreign country working on ai microsoft you

know tes all of these companies work internationally right so it's it's impossible to say what is something that's a u.s based versus china based so this is going to end up leading to regulation that impacts us here as well and it's all going to be done in the name of national defense We're also moving towards creating another liability shield fortress, which I don't know if you noticed unrelated to this, but it looks like they're doing a liability shield for people that put dangerous chemicals into our food supply, like Roundup and everything else. pushing forward with a It looks like they're liability shield there. And so there's a lot of language here about, well,

we need to remove red tape and onerous regulation. And I'm certainly never against... getting rid of regulation. However, they're going to end up getting rid of liability, and they're going to do it by, again, playing the national defense crowd. And the other thing is, it's all about centralized power. So, I mean, this policy even states that, you know, essentially, if the federal government is involved with AI, we can kickstart things and move it much quicker with the involvement of the federal government, which is, frankly, an absurd concept. I mean, we're not in the post-World War II, the United States, doesn't add scale or the federal government efficiency or ramp up anything.

And it's certainly going to be the case with AI as well. It's just going to be more top-down cronyism. So And why are they doing this? just like with the stable coin Again, regulation and the Clarity Act and everything else, the propaganda is it's all about global dominance, whether it's global dominance with the dollar being the reserve currency and us controlling crypto, whatever that means, us, whatever it means, the United States government controlling it, because there's actually a completely conflict of interest between what the government says it wants and what's actually good for the people in this country. But this is basically the rhetoric that they're using. This is the part that I

didn't get a chance to talk about, and Mike and I chatted a little bit after the interview you're about to see. And before I get into that, again, the US-China thing is, I think, a manufactured division anyway. I don't think that it is the US versus China. I think it's one global technocracy that we're moving towards, but they're using the manufactured division to get people scared and to get people to say, yeah, we've got to invest in data centers. We have to put, you know, more taxpayer dollars behind this. And yeah, we need to, you know, it's kind of like the, you know, we're going to, we're going to get rid of with the vaccine. We're going to any testing, any normal standards,

any normal processes, we're going to throw those out the window because it's an emergency. They're going to do the same thing. with AI because of this manufactured situation with competing with China. Because again, we trade technology all the time. It's like, you know, Apple gets a lot of their, you know, component parts from Samsung. You know, we do, we apparently do joint bioweapons labs with China. We get a significant percentage of our AI surveillance technology from China. So this idea that we're even competing is all fake. And it's all fake to basically allow them to get permission and support to ramp up the technocracy as quickly as possible. But if you buy this premise is possible.

that AGI is key, AGI meaning that, you know, the theory is that if we can get to artificial general intelligence, it means that basically the AIs will be, you know, as intelligent or more intelligent than humans, kind of in all areas. And whoever wins in that area is going to have a strategic advantage because basically everything will function more efficiently under that model. I want you to understand the power implications of this. So in order to get to, based on the general projections on what it's going to take to get to AGI, a thousand times the we're going to have to use current amount of data center power that we use. So again, our electrical grid is decaying.

And even if there's some policy initiatives that say, well, let's improve this, it takes a significant amount of lead time. to make that happen but this is what we're looking at we're looking at these data centers kind of being all consuming with respect to energy and one of the things that mike adams said was to me after was that we've already lost we've lost the battle over agi just based on the time frames involved it will take us five to ten years to catch up From a grid perspective, to even be able to have the infrastructure to be able to get to AGI, we're five to ten years behind. China will hit AGI before that. It's an unbridgeable grid lead. And I know you might, you know,

I've got something to show you again after the interview with Mike. If you haven't looked into what's going on in China, this might sound outlandish. They're already way ahead of us. in everything electric cars they're ahead of us in robot technology everything this isn't something that we're worried about for the future they're already ahead of us and this I saw today you know although I want to vet this but I did see it as I was working on the presentation so it's just propped up on x texas a I didn't texas ai centers guzzle four hundred and sixty three million gallons now residents are asked to cut back on showers So I don't know if that's actually true now or if

this was actually presented as a meme. So I'm not going to present this as being factual, but it may actually already be factual. But if it's not already factual, this is the kind of thing that you can expect. And by the way, we have a lot of friends in the... in the Netherlands, and we saw that Amsterdam is now having to ration electricity. I don't think it has anything to do with AI. It's more due to failed green energy policies and an over reliance on solar and wind. But by the way, that is another thing that actually interferes with this entire AI race and energy race. And I want to point out that it's very ironic that these same woke companies that are now building these data

centers are the same people that four years ago were pushing ESG and pushing green initiatives. So it's all bullshit. It's all manufactured. And just keep that in mind moving forward. I'm going to jump off and I So with that, will play the about an hour long interview with... in your work and I'm just honored to be here welcome back to the aaron day show season two episode twenty this is a very exciting episode we have a terrific guest today uh someone who I've gotten to know quite a bit over the last year and as you know the show is now focusing specifically on three areas one exposing

the technocratic takeover two helping people reclaim their free will and their autonomy and then three building decentralized solutions and so with that focus I don't know of a single better guest to have that's actually been working on those things for actually a much longer period of time uh than myself which is which is mike adams and if you're not familiar with mike and I'm sure you probably are if you're listening to this show Mike is a tech innovator who has been building innovative solutions based on Liberty principles for quite some time. You may know him from Natural News as well as building out the Brighteon platform. So his focus has been to really just not just talk the talk,

but actually walk the walk and actually build real solutions. including Brighteon.io, which is a free speech platform, Brighteon AI, Brighteon Social. And then what we're going to be focusing on talking about today is Enoch, which is his newest project, which is a really cool decentralized AI that is trained on the exact opposite of the data that you're going to find on almost any other model. So with that said, happy to have you on, Mike. Hey, it's great to join you. Well, hi, Aaron. I'm a big fan of you and your work, and I'm just honored to be here. And I do want to add one other thing. Great. Mike has had me on Decentralized TV a couple of times,

which I encourage you to check out that show. That show is one of the most impactful podcasts I've ever been on, in terms of the actual outreach frankly, from the people that watch the show. So it's very clear that you have an engaged audience of people that are actually interested in doing things. And I want to thank you for everything that you've done also to help support Roger Ver and our political prisoners of war. You know, when you guest hosted Alex Jones, you brought Roger and Tracy on and that's really gone a huge way. That's probably, you know, one of his biggest, that and the Tucker Carlson interview are the two biggest distribution channels for getting this

So thank you for all of that as well. information out. Yeah, and I'm still very hopeful that Roger will be pardoned because there's no more clear case of political persecution. And it's like all these other people are being pardoned. Where's Roger's pardon? So I'm going to keep hammering that issue until he's free. Yeah, no, I hope so as well. I'm not going to stop either, and hopefully we can continue to make some noise. And I will just say, everybody, check out freerogernow.org if you haven't already. Sign the open letter. He's up to almost one hundred thousand signatures, so there's definitely momentum there. And it does matter, and that's why Ross is free. So to start,

you built a remarkable career as the health ranger, from founding Natural News to championing alternative health and anti-censorship causes. What pivotal experiences, perhaps maybe facing de-platforming or big pharma narratives, led you to see AI as the next frontier for preserving economy and truth? Well, I was among the first to be deplatformed starting in twenty fourteen, even even before Alex Jones was banned everywhere. I was banned and they voice printed me. They banned my voice even on other people's shows. They would get a strike on YouTube if they had me as a guest. So my voice and my likeness was banned. And what was happening was, see, I started in two thousand three.

I started what was news target and then became natural news. And in two thousand six, two thousand seven, I was gaining a lot of traction and and really organic popularity with a message of the dangers of big pharma, the dangers of the vaccines, the corruption of government, the know the corruption of the dollar the federal reserve and you know at that time I was reading you know g edward griffin's books and I I had donated to ron paul's campaign back in the when he was a texas congressman and so on so I I was in that space and you got to understand back in that day it was very fringe to talk about the dangers of vaccines or pharmaceuticals or even to talk about cancer cures.

How do we overcome cancer? How do we heal? How do we use high density nutrition to prevent degenerative diseases? And myself, I'm an example of that because thirty plus years ago I was borderline obese, type two diabetic, chronic pain, you know, all those kinds of things. Now, I'm in my mid-fifties, and before I came on the show, I just finished a thirty-minute run with my dog in the sun with no sunscreen. And I use a phytonutrition that is photo-activated. So, for example, in this smoothie, this contains curcumin from turmeric as well as quercetin. And those nutrients are phyto- or, say, photo-activated, excuse me.

So if you consume curcumin and then you go out in the sun, the sunlight amplifies the neuroprotective and anti-cancer effects of turmeric. So these are the kinds of secrets that I incorporated into my life that I was talking about publicly and gaining a massive audience. it was Mercola.com and Natural News. In those days, We were one and two. And then the censorship came. In youtube channel completely that was the day that I decided I was going to start building brightown.com to make it a free speech platform available to everyone so we built that it took about eighteen months you know

over a million dollars easy as you know what it costs to write effective code we wrote it from scratch We don't use AWS. We have our own data center. And then we just kept building other platforms to the point where today, now, after Brighteon.social and Brighteon.io, which is a blockchain-driven, peer-to-peer, decentralized, uncensorable social media platform built on Bastion, by the way, uh now we've launched brightown.ai which is a free ai engine that beats every other ai engine in the world on real world questions things about about gold I sent you the example of how it answers questions about gold versus fiat currency but it'll tell you about depopulation it'll tell you about

chemtrails and geoengineering it'll tell you about the dangers of vaccines and the bioweapons and all of it it's the only engine in the world that I'm aware of that does that And it does it expertly. I think, have you had a chance to play around with that engine a little bit? I have had a chance. In fact, I've got a couple of examples that I can talk about with folks as we get through this. Because I've chatted with you back and forth about the struggles that I've had getting information out of other AIs, particularly when I was doing this forty day fast. where um every time I would put something into an ai even grok it would tell me like I'm like I'm on day thirty two of the fast I'm

having this this and this and its response back to me was you know we wouldn't recommend you do a forty day fast and then x y and z is going to happen and then I and go back and say well based on what data oh, I apologize, we don't have any data, but these are the guidelines. And then I kept on drilling and drilling and drilling. And then it would say, well, the reason there's no data is because the independent review board would probably think that it's too unsafe to even try doing a forty day fast. So when I think so, when I pinged you on this, you actually and this is before you officially launched, you were actually able to give me data back about actual trials that had been

conducted showing improvement in a variety of different conditions. I think it was ranging from cancer to ALS. I mean, there's been reported some pretty miraculous things that happen when you do it. You don't have to do all forty days, but when you do that and so that to me was a game changer because I literally I experienced personally the inability to get any useful data while doing a fast other than the information that you were able to put out. Well, all the mainstream engines have been overtaken by the CIA, just like Wikipedia. So Wikipedia is just CIApedia. I think everybody knows that. The CIA runs OpenAI and sets the guardrails. They set the narratives that OpenAI must repeat.

And these are Western narratives that are really important to maintain the power, coercive structure, control grid over the people. They have to repeat these lies over and over again. So what's really interesting about this, Aaron, is that we spent about twenty months building this AI engine. we had to build it on top of a base engine and then we had to modify that base engine so we assessed every base engine llm that existed everything that was out there you know from any country and we did uh testing on every engine the one that we found that was the least infested with cia narratives was quen from china And so we ended up using

QUIN as our base model and then doing these very difficult, it took us a long time to develop this, these very difficult retraining alterations, not just fine tuning, not just RAG, for those, you know, your tech audience listening, it's not just that kind of thing. Okay, this is way deeper. We rewired the vectors in the vector database that is, you know, the large language model. and we had to develop some very innovative code in order to do that and work with some top engineers around the world to achieve that it took longer than I thought we were four months late to even deliver it but now that it's delivered it just blows everything away we have a hundred question

test real world test about everything from you know climate and carbon dioxide to currency and freedom and history and vaccines and coven and everything our engine now gives over eighty seven percent correct answers and we tested it on chat gpt and it gave us twelve percent correct so but we built our engine for just under two million dollars which is unthinkable in the world I mean think think about how much elon has put into grok you know billions of dollars and grok still can't answer basic questions as well as our engine it's crazy but we're not run by the cia so it's cheaper to have you know good answers think about that

right well no that's true I mean those overlays and whatever it is that they use to to screen the information with the existing models I mean that has to be very taxing in terms of trying to figure out okay well now I've got to censor censor this result I was today I was trying to play around with the only thing that I like about chat gpt at this point is that it it can do images well but I got to the point where I can't use it anymore I spent I was getting ready for my podcast last thursday and I ended up you know it ten different images in a row it refused to create yeah and these were not these were not overly I wasn't saying oh this you know this vaccine is going to kill you or anything

else I was actually talking about very high level technocratic concepts I was asking it to create icons and so I mean I got to the point where it's it's not only very slow but it's completely unpredictable for the stuff that I'm using it for I almost I have a less than fifty percent hit rate of getting any response back that's not an error. So that's a very interesting point about it's it's cheaper to kind of to be truthful. It's kind of like that statement that, you know, I don't lie because keeping lying is difficult. You have to keep track of all of this other stuff that's going on. And that's right. And I guess I guess that's, you know, taken to a grand scale now with A.I.

and data centers and everything else. And Aaron, there's something really important I want to mention here that AI, the promise is mass decentralization of human knowledge. And we are very dedicated to that mission. So the AI that we've launched right now is browser-based, which means it is centralized. You're going to a browser. It's non-commercial. There's no ads. You don't need an account. It's free to use. Just go to brighteon.ai. You can use it. However, our ultimate goal, and actually I'm testing this model right now, is that we're going to open source release on Hugging Face the GGUF downloadable models, eight bit and four bit models and different numbers of parameters that

are fully trained so that you can download those and use them locally. That's been our ultimate goal. In our testing, those models don't yet have the highest alignment that we have in our hosted model. seven percent score, So instead of an eighty they're giving about a fifty percent score, which is still better than the twelve percent that ChatGPT is giving. But it means that if you ask it a question about the truth about, let's say, links between COVID vaccines and infertility, you're going to get one good answer for every one bad answer. So it's a coin toss. That's the best we've been able to achieve so far. But the advantage is, again, it's downloadable. It's decentralized.

No one can monitor you. You don't need an internet connection to use it. And you can run it on your local GPU like an NVIDIA graphics card. And ultimately, that's where we are going with all of this. And Aaron, what's really interesting, I mean, feel free to interrupt me anytime. But as NVIDIA rolls out far It's your show. more capable devices, know chip systems and and tower computing systems that replace entire racks and I think spark is their newest system with the the blackwell integrated chip system we're going to be able to actually train our own base models from scratch to where we won't have to build on top of quinn or any other model we'll be able to build our own base model and what

we're doing between now and then is we are building the world's most massive uh curated data set of input data to go into that base model once it becomes economical for us to do that and I think that's only about a year away so that's that's the future of where this is going we don't have to depend on any other organization we can build our own base model with with our uh data set and our world view That's phenomenal. I mean, we talk a lot about on this show, decentralization in general, but obviously when it comes to cryptocurrency, this whole idea of self-custody is key. And what you're talking about here is the ability to have a self-custody AI. That's right. Which I think is critical

for a whole variety of reasons, not only any kind of snooping that might happen from third parties, but what happens if something happens to the internet or whatever, or censorship at that level, the ability to have all of this information at your fingertips on your machine without having to connect to an internet could be lifesaving, actually. Absolutely. And to that point, you mentioned something about training it on data sets. So obviously, I've been running a whole bunch of different queries. I mean, one of them was, I think they were trying to push Gardasil or something And so we went to all the different AIs, on my daughter. and of course, it gave back the

you know, it's safe, and you're whatever, whatever the common thing was, and you're, you gave a different result entirely. But what what is the data set that you're training on? Because that that's really the magic sauce here, I would think, well, in addition to the underlying base technology. You're exactly right. So the data set is the magic sauce. And Number one, we've had donations of massive data sets to this project, and I want to give credit. So not only is it trained on everything that we've ever published at naturalnews.com, and it's trained on, of course, every interview that I've ever done, every transcript and so on, but we had massive donations. So Dr. Joseph Mercola

donated his entire mercola.com website. uh twenty plus years of content uh meticulously researched representing you know hundreds of thousands of hours of human effort on top of that then say rg donated green med info we had children's health defense um we had anh usa the alliance for natural health donated their content ty charlene bollinger also donated the truth about cancer every transcript of every interview they ever did spanning about fifteen years and then on top of that we went out and got permission from I don't know fifty to a hundred different uh channels of influencers who we respected people like david morgan the silver guru uh pro liberty you know metals guy and we just said

hey david we're doing this project can we scrape every video you've ever made he's like okay yeah go for it so we did and we scraped a bunch of other influencers that gave us permission and so on and on top of that then we went out and we purchased thousands of physical books And then we we had those books scanned and used as base training material, but altered. And just to be clear, our engine does not reproduce books. You know, it's a fair it's clearly a fair use case. The courts already ruled on this, we're non-commercial nonprofit. especially because we're This is our consumer wellness center. Nonprofits actually built

the entire engine. But with these thousands of books that we purchased and then use for training, we were able to have additional knowledge put into the system. And then we wrote and this is what took us twenty months. And I've written way more Python code than I ever thought I was going to do. But I had to build a team. We had to write all of these scripts to use engines to process the incoming data. So you can't just take a transcript and feed it into an AI engine because the transcript, the way people talk, like we're talking right now, it's odd. It's not academic writing. It's filled with ums and pauses and restatements and things like that. So you have to, quote,

normalize everything that goes into the system. And what we did, Aaron, that I think nobody else did, and Elon Musk has actually admitted this. He says it's a bad idea to train on the common crawl of the internet because the internet is just full of bunk everywhere. So what we did is we ran every piece of data, every page of text, we ran it through a classifier that we wrote. And the classifier then classifies that according to our construct of reality, how closely it matches our construct. So we actually had human oversight. this automated classifier that returns an integer between zero and a hundred of how closely it aligns with that.

And then we were able to throw out a bunch of garbage that way and to get the really aligned text and then use that for the training of the engine to update the vector DB. So that's how we ended up with such an effective engine to make a long story kind of short. Maybe I should have made it shorter, but there you go. No, that's great. I mean, I think a lot of people, well, most people don't actually know how AIs work. And I think this is a big point as well. Most of the time when I hear people talk about AI, even people that have a Q&A at the end of my podcast, most people are usually bringing up kind of a fearful approach, which does make sense given that I think with all technology

I think the the fundamental battleground that we have right now is technocracy versus freedom and and and what it what does it stake is free will and and I think that there are several big battlegrounds I think tokenization is one I think ai is another and I think most people don't think about the freedom side because what you hear mostly reported in through mainstream sources is the technocratic side But I don't have a pessimistic view. I have a very optimistic view about the future because I think free will and our ability to make choices can be increased by this technology. It can be liberating. It can help us to increase the number of choices and the type of choices we make.

Or it can be used to enslave us where we don't get to make any choices at all. And the AI is telling us what we must think and how we must act. And that's kind of the battleground here. You've experienced that yourself, right? So as you mentioned in your research, using our Enoch engine, you've been able to get information that is now completely hidden on Google. So Google, when they rolled out their twenty seventeen medic update, they wiped out all holistic medicine, natural medicine, herbal medicine, everything from their system. And basically every medical question just pointed to WebMD for the most part. So Google became a disinformation engine or an ignorance engine by design.

Just like the FDA wants to wipe out natural medicine because natural medicine is safe, effective, and affordable. So it doesn't support the profit incentives of the pharmaceutical industrial complex. So what AI allows us to do is to now distribute the world's knowledge in a way that's never been possible before. It would have been unthinkable ten years ago, actually, even to have a seven billion parameter language model. To think about encapsulating the world and have it in a most of the knowledge of downloadable file that you can ask it questions and it can give you pretty good answers. have been invaluable like any government would have for such an engine now you paid billions of dollars

get it for free it's extraordinary and it's it's only the beginning of where this is going so by being a good prompt engineer and we should probably talk about that a little bit aaron I know you're a very skilled prompt engineer but the average person is not they will ask an ai engine a question like oh um can cancer be cured Well, that's an open-ended question. That's a horrible question. What you need to ask it, what you're looking for in most cases is a problem that's like acting as a well-informed naturopathic physician with a specialty in cancer and oncology. Give me a detailed list of all of the... data-backed or evidence-backed approaches to halting tumorogenesis or

angiogenesis or halting the growth of cancer, et cetera. Be specific. Ask for what you want, and then the answer is going to be amazing. So prompt engineering is the key to serving this and using it for freedom. Yeah, no, that is absolutely true. And actually, before I got into this whole fight against CBDCs, I was spending a lot of time doing... meditation and exploring a whole variety of different fields. And what it came down to is your ability to accurately and truly express your intent is incredibly valuable. And this is where prompt engineering kicks in in a big way. And I'm seeing on the website on Brighton.ai, you have a number of prompt tools. So you have everything from

a Enoch text summarizer to daily meal planner and everything else. And it looks like there's some more coming soon. walk me through this so you look are you looking to help people as well kind of structure some of the prompt engineering that's that's exactly what that is so for people who struggle with prompt engineering we just have templates for them like a meal planner or a shopping guide or you know fitness goals how do I achieve these fitness goals and and we're we're building some new we call them flows they're just templates we're building some new flows because people have a lot of common questions like they want to feed in a list of symptoms that they're experiencing health

symptoms and what they really want to know is what are the root causes of these symptoms so we call that the root causes flow if people just knew how to structure their question better they wouldn't need the templates but it's just there as a as a helping hand until people become better at prompt engineering that's all you can do it all manually anyway these look great I mean I'm looking at this right now I mean ingredient checker I know that I you know that's a very powerful one well it's very powerful and I will tell you I've been getting frustrated just by the fact that you really have to check the ingredients even if it's something that you've purchased in the past because the ingredients

are changing they've changed pretty dramatically just since covid I mean it seems like they're putting dextrose and maltodextrin and a whole variety of different things into everything things that it wasn't previously there so I can see how a lot of these there's master gardener personalized wellness plan grocery shopping coach natural supplements and ingredient finder let me mention the ingredients checker very quickly because I think that's one of the flows that is it's a multiple prompt flow I believe And the way we built that is you enter an ingredient that you think might be dangerous. Let's say partially hydrogenated soybean oil. Then that queries and says,

what are the problems with this? What are the symptoms associated with the frequent consumption of this? And then it runs another query to say, what kinds of foods would this ingredient appear in? I'm not sure if the multi-query is Now, available at the free level. It probably is, but it might not be. I'm just going from memory on how we designed this. But it gives you a full answer of how to avoid it, what foods it's going to be in, and what happens if you keep eating it. So sometimes it's questions that people don't think of to ask. And also there's another way is to enter something that's positive like vitamin D, and then it will give you symptoms of deficiency of

vitamin D. And then it will tell you in which foods vitamin D naturally appears so that you can boost your vitamin D intake. So this is the beginning of what's going to ultimately replace most doctor visits. Honestly, you know, medicine, because a lot of doctors, the way they practice medicine today, but the more mainstream ones, not all of them, they are nothing but algorithms in human form. They're just, I call them sort of, you know, elaborate pharmaceutical vending And there's nothing that machines. they do that can't be done better by AI for the most part. well yeah well yeah they've been indoctrinated right I mean they're in a way they're npcs and then they're also then governed

by most of them now work within hospital systems or and then they have their malpractice insurance and so um so yeah they're limited in what they were originally taught which is happen to go to medical you know whenever they school and then they have all these other things that are restricting them and so so yeah I mean I I you know I don't I don't go to a doctor I haven't gone to a doctor for a long time but this is a game changing in terms of the ability to tap into all of these different models because, you know, just being focused on this big pharma-based medicine, I mean, again, this doesn't cure anything. So, you know, when you go to the doctor, you are signing up for, at best, a,

you know, a lifetime subscription to some kind of medicine. And so, this is very exciting. No doctor can, no human being can have the knowledge that an AI engine has. not even close so here's an example of this you know I'm known as the health ranger I've been studying nutrition for decades I'm considered an encyclopedia of nutritional knowledge but I didn't know something very important I was actually asking my own ai engine for the best defenses against glutamate or msg monosodium glutamate which is an excitotoxin that's found in a lot of foods and I happen to be very sensitive to glutamate causes headaches and horrible things So I was asking the AI engine as I was putting

together a narration script for a documentary about MSG excitotoxins. So I was just having it write the script. And I put in this elaborate query and it pops out and it says one of the best ways to block glutamate receptors is through a product that we've all heard of now called methylene blue. and I'm like what I've never heard of that I've heard of resveratrol I've heard of l-theanine I've heard of you know certain amino acids things like that like methylene blue are you kidding me the stuff that you know alex jones is is promoting heavily on infowars like that blocks msg so I I did some additional research I found the science papers sure enough it blocks the glutamate receptors so I

started I took a I got some methylene blue I took a dropper full I went out and ate some chinese food as a test which would normally give me this horrible headache from the soy sauce and everything. And sure enough, it totally blocked it. So there's an example of something that I learned from my own AI engine that now I travel with methylene blue in case I have to eat at a restaurant somewhere. I don't want to have an MSG headache, right? So I travel with it and no doctor would have ever told me that. No doctor. There's no doctor in America that knows that except for the ones that listen to me. Honestly, it's like, no, because I didn't even know it. Yep. But the AI knew it.

Wow, that's phenomenal. And, you know, and there are so many different new connections that can be made. I mean, this is the whole thing about prompt engineering is that the ability, if you write the prompt right, you actually ask it to consider combining different disciplines and different approaches. And it'll come up with novel things that haven't even been considered, which this is a little bit off topic, but related to methylene blue. Have you included any of the material from Dr. Jack Cruz in that? you know yes yes some some material from jack cruz uh but books about uh infrared red light therapy uh many of those books are in there and the body electric book also by robert becker which

jack cruz cites constantly and and I gotta credit uh dr jack cruz for really waking me up to the importance of sunlight and that's the reason that actually is what got me into the you know the photo activated nutrition which is why I drink smoothies and go jog in the sun know like as naked as I can get right I want sunlight on every part of my body that I can get it on without being a nudist yeah yeah yeah I've been experimenting I just put these on now my perfect ultra ultra blue blocker glasses but I I've been going through this because I've struggled with my weight on and off my whole life and I realized you know well part of it was obvious because I mean growing up my kids or

excuse me my parents actually followed the food pyramid and all these guidelines. point where I was And I was actually at a overweight when I was like ten or something. And they sent me to a doctor and the doctor sent me to a nutritionist and the nutritionist said, you need to eat a zero gram, no fat, completely fat free. They put together a list of the foods I should eat. even recommended snack well cookies I mean this was in the you know in the eighties right this is the mid to late eighties and like go go and buy these snack well cookies and literally every piece of advice that I ever got from the medical establishment was wrong and it made my problems worse and so it actually I

find this whole area about circadian rhythms again and then when you go back and you look at it it's all like okay now I'm spending all this intellectual horsepower to realize oh if I just get up and I line my circadian rhythms and I go outside and I don't put cancerous sunscreen on my body and I eat right whole foods that are local to me then you know my health will be better you know scientists baffles but yet at the same time good luck trying to find that information because that's not that is that is that is not the official narrative anywhere so well and that's that's why you know our engine is trained on it we we literally have the world's greatest collection the curated

collection of alternative health natural health natural medicine phytochemistry phytonutrition and aaron there's something else that's really relevant here I want to say this uh you may or may not know this but uh my wife is from taiwan conversationally. And because of our Chinese language skills in our family, we were able to discover that the largest amount of research on phytonutrition, plant-based nutrition, is actually written in Chinese. The Chinese researchers and the corpus of research that's in Chinese is much larger than what's written in English. If you If you try to map out all of

the world's knowledge, everything that's ever been written, and I have that map, you'll find that Chinese is a much larger percentage than is English. And of course, the Chinese language is thousands of years older than English. And even to this day, China has far more STEM graduates by far than does America. or any English-speaking country. What we did for this engine is we were able to get our hands on all kinds of Chinese-based scientific papers on nutrition and herbs, things that are actually censored or not funded by the government and the NIH or the National Science Foundation or whatever in America, because all they do is fund climate change propaganda and pharmaceuticals and

vaccines and bioweapons. That's all they fund. in china they're actually researching herbs because they have a long history of traditional chinese medicine tcm so we were able to take this massive collection of chinese language research translate it all via ai into english normalize the english and and then we were able to extract the knowledge out of those english papers and then use that as a training base for enoch so enoch is the only model in the world that's trained that that's in english but it's trained on the entire corpus of China's research into natural medicine. Wow, that's incredible. So do you have any suggestions for maybe some creative prompts that somebody might use just

playing with it for the first time that might tap into it? Because this is one of those things where it fits into the this is so far removed from people's knowledge that how would they know to even query to find it out? tips for how how people might But I mean, start exploring some of that information. Well, so here's a really great one. I find that people have allergies to things that they're consuming frequently. and instead of trying to solve it they just live with it like for example a lot of people consume a lot of dairy or homogenized milk products and they have sinus congestion or they have constipation and they don't realize it's related to dairy so now that wouldn't be the case if

they consume raw dairy I'm a big supporter of raw dairy by the way you know raw milk raw cheese etc which is why the government tries to outlaw that but a good query is to say Hey, acting as a qualified naturopathic physician, consider the following list of food intake habits. and the following list of symptoms that I am experiencing and indicate any correlations or links between the foods and the symptoms that might exist there you go and then you list you know here's the list of foods that I eat boom boom boom you know milk bananas whatever you know cheerios or whatever people are eating these days and then here's a list of symptoms boom boom boom

constipation sinus congestion sleeplessness whatever slam that into the engine And it's going to give you amazing correlations that your doctor never even pointed out. And then that allows you as a person to say, wow, I'm going to take this food out of my diet for. Just as an experiment and see what happens. And you can do that one food at a time. Every month you can run a different experiment, try this food, you know, exit your diet, get that food out of your diet. See how much better you are in one month. You can do that month after month. And I guarantee you, it won't take long before you nail down what's causing your problems and AI can help you do that. Wow,

that's a great way to power up the elimination diet for sure. Yeah. Yeah. No, in fact, I know some people. Yeah, I'll try that over the course of this week with my kid. some cool things to play around with. Actually, So how much more is there a lot more data that you have on the horizon that you want to incorporate? Yeah. Yeah. We're working on a very big, much larger data set because, like I said, eventually we want to build our own base model. And so we're prepping for that. And when we can build a base model for less than one million US dollars, we're going to pull the trigger on that and do it. right now it's still about ten million plus so maybe

maybe a year away you know at this rate with with the improvements you know moore's law microchip density all that probably in a year we'll be able to do it for under a million I can't wait but we have to have the data set ready for that and the data prep is actually by far the hardest part in all of this you know the the world's data is not well organized and it's a lot especially in english a lot of the best knowledge is already off you know copyright but a lot of it is just scans of books not not actually text but you know like jpegs or tiffs or you know different formats deja vu format is another one and that is you

know you you have to process all that with ocr and then know ai is used for ocr and then the result has to be fixed with ai normalizing the ocr results in order to fix the problems because there's always problems so it's a it's a multi-stage process that is time consuming and very intensive but we we've become quite good at it we've we've written all of our own custom python code we run our own data center we've got last count uh forty eight workstations uh processing right now and they can churn through quite a bit wow that's that's great yeah I haven't I haven't dealt with ocr for a long time but it seems to me like yeah correcting the the mistakes

is probably going to be one of the most time consuming elements of all of this Yeah. And have you ever looked at newspapers from the nineteen fifties? Like, yeah. And they have like twelve columns on the front page. It's like, whoa, people could read back then. You know, the OCR is very difficult for old newspapers, but we're giving it a shot. So obviously you've experienced censorship. There's been a lot of censorship. there's always censorship in everything, Well, right? I mean, it's first started with the search engines. And I remember using back in the day Infoseek and AltaVista and all these other things. period of time where search And I remember there was a engines didn't have this

huge complicated screen or didn't only search Healthline and WebMD for information. medical information and in the ai space one of the things that I've noticed is I actually think much faster than with search engines um the I wouldn't call it I'll call it self-regulation but it's but there's still always the threat that it's actually regulation from outside parties well as you said these are maybe captive to the cia have you have you gotten any pushback from the authorities about what you're doing yet no not not yet but there is we're beginning to see some articles that are expressing concern about

decentralized ai models that don't follow typical narratives now uh aaron uh ask our model anything about nine eleven anything ask it about what was the real cause of the world trade center seven collapsing uh who was really behind nine eleven et cetera right that is actually the litmus test a mainstream engine will just parrot government narratives constantly our engine is trained on all the material of uh what is it architects and engineers for nine eleven truth and a lot of other material, many other channels as well. And so it will give you great answers. But those are the kinds of answers that make

government regimes nervous, because the story that we're told about nine eleven or other events in history, even elections or covid, for that matter, those stories are part of the the fabrication of the construct that's necessary to enslave the masses and keep them controlled. and when we start tearing down those narratives and peeling away you know the dome of the truman show you know what I mean then yeah they start to get nervous right now our engine is not well enough known to be on their radar but probably at some point it will be and you'll just you'll see hit pieces about it oh enoch tells people to take herbs for cancer how dangerous you know yeah it does

you know of course what versus what chemotherapy mustard gas weapons you're going to inject mustard gas into my veins and call that medicine no thank you I I'd rather have like black cumin seed extract but anyway you know you know all about this man Yeah, no, I know all about it. I'm just, you know, I'm remembering. So I think getting to the point where this thing is self-custody, where people can download it is going to be key. That's obviously going to be a huge milestone on this because then they can't shut it down. Because I just think about, you know, Jeremy Kaufman, who started library.io and, you know, he was targeted very quickly. I mean, if anything if you look at

the people on the crypto space that you know like roger veer and ian freeman uh in roman storm the people that are still facing criminal charges these are all people that were were speaking positively about about freedom and that is at the core what what they were punished for so they basically were trying to find a way to obviously there's so many laws and the tax code is so thick they can always find something I guess we commit what three felonies a day but They're like, this guy's speaking the truth and talking about freedom. So how can we go after him today? So it's exciting. Well, Kauffman, they went after Kauffman based on the way they went after a lot of those crypto

people by saying that it enabled money laundering or things like that, right? So it was financial laws. So we made a very specific decision early on that Enoch would always be free. We would never have a financial relationship with our... There would never be any advertising. It would be non-commercial nonprofit and actually owned by a nonprofit entity. All of those decisions were very deliberate for this very reason. So no one can say that we're violating some commercial code is not commercial. No one can say we're violating copyright because it's non-commercial. It's fair use. It's the very definition of fair use, etc., etc. And if they were to try to take down Enoch,

they would have to take down the entire First Amendment. Now, do they want to do that? Of course. But that's a difficult thing for any regime to achieve in the U.S., not that they won't try. Well, and again, once it's out and once people can have it in their own possession, then it's game over, I guess, from that perspective, which is, again, exciting. I know a lot of people are so doom on all of this stuff, on technocracies. A lot of people that actually say, well, you know, um what can we do about it they've already installed all these surveillance cameras they've kind of resigned themselves to the fact that it's game over which is which is absolutely not true um and

we have tools like this uh to counter that we have privacy coins we have all of these other things I did run a search I said you know this morning I said hey is the uh to make it timely is the genius act of backdoor cbdc oh yeah it won't know that yet it's not up to date on the that news But it will talk about CBDCs, status of the Genius Act. but it doesn't know the Well, but it did imply that the Genius Act, based on whatever data that it did have, could potentially be seen as a backdoor CBDC. So whatever, it may not have the information about the passage, but the Genius Act itself obviously has been around for a while. And I will tell you, that is not the answer that

you're going to get from other models. And I will tell you, it is absolutely a backdoor CBDC. So I'm encouraged, very encouraged to see that. And so, you know, this... You cover so many different disciplines here that for me, it's kind of like a kid in a candy shop. Oh, I'm trying to go back through my own mind. What are all of the things that got rejected that I couldn't get information about from these other models? And I'm going to run it through and see... see what I can get and aaron give it about a week because we're just doing a major update right now with a lot more recent information that's going to take about a week to put in place but try it next week and I think it'll be even

more up to date and there's something else I want to mention too that's very important for those of your audience who who want to build their own ai engines and understand I fully support that I don't feel like this is any kind of a competition or anything I want to see mass decentralization of ai and knowledge and what you can do is once we release our gguf files like for example we'll have a downloadable gguf it's going to be an eight bit rendition of a fourteen billion parameter based model It'll be a fourteen B Quinn that's modified through our process with all of our data set. You'll be able to download that and just using some pretty simple local python code, you can actually distill

most of the knowledge out of that model into your own fine tuning data set to alter another model. So what I'm saying is, in other words, you could take the work that we did over twenty months and two million dollars. And over a period of about a couple of months, you could locally with one GPU, you could distill that knowledge and then use that to train some other base model like Ernie or Llama or whatever. And condense our effort into a much smaller effort and yet get about ninety percent of the same results and I realize this I'm I'm encouraging people to do this I want knowledge to be shared I believe knowledge wants to be free so the distillation step is what a lot of I think innovative

people will do next with our model wow that's great um That is very exciting to know. And yeah, learning Python. And at this point, hey, you can use AI. You don't even need to be all that proficient. Totally. So if that even sounds like a barrier, it's probably not a barrier. So what do you see going on with GPUs themselves? I know we were chatting earlier this year, and I signed up for a list for whatever the thing that NVIDIA had announced, and I haven't received any notification that it's shipped yet. Have you? no me neither so we're also Mm-hmm. waiting on the the fifty series rtx cards from nvidia the fifty nineties and fifty eighties which are still for some reason

not available in the us I don't know why but even that's already obsolete based on their spark architecture the blackwell architecture so I'm on that list also to buy one of those for like three thousand dollars you can get a small device on your desk That runs on a regular hundred twenty volt, you know household outlet a fifteen or twenty amp outlet Which is gonna help me a lot because we use so It's it's you know, it's crazy, much electricity. but that will replace a whole rack and And I actually did the math on on this it replaces about thirty five of our workstations In one unit, that's about three thousand dollars so my question is going to be and for those of you who

own stock in nvidia I don't I don't own any stocks at all I don't I don't I don't invest in stock market I I stack gold yep same gold and crypto yeah golden crypto privacy crypto in particular right that that's what I do but I can't buy enough of these blackwell systems like if nvidia could ship me a hundred of them I would buy a hundred of them. You know what I'm saying? Like there's no limit to how many of these I can use to build better AI. And I'm not the only one in this boat. I'm sure Elon Musk has the biggest order in is like, I want ten thousand of these, you know, but this is what's going to happen. You're going to see a massive increase of computational density

combined with a very sharp orders of magnitude decrease in the the the the megawatt hours required to achieve a certain computational result right so so the electricity demand in in the aggregate will rise but the amount of electricity for the computational result will dramatically fall okay so that's going to allow people like us to build world-class ai engines completely off the grid with no government permission no corporate permission We don't need permission or licensing from anybody. We can build whatever AI engines we want using off-the-shelf hardware. That's a dream come true for human civilization.

Are you worried about... Well, I mean, It is. there are obviously supply issues. Are you worried about that being the point of failure? Maybe perhaps that's even the point of regulation in the, quote, interests of national security. All of a sudden, they're going to close off who NVIDIA can sell to and... I mean, they're already working on that with respect to selling overseas. But do you think there will be tight restrictions, not export controls, but even within the US? I doubt it because the US is already falling behind China in the AI race big time. China is leading in so many ways that we could do a whole show on that. Would you mind saying a few, talk about it for a couple of minutes?

Because I think people are, I, yeah, I wrote a post. I said, look, I think Americans are perhaps the most brainwashed. But I mean, when it comes to these things, if you ask most people, most people think the US is light years ahead in AI. So what you just said is not is not a generally known idea. yeah okay so what what trump has done is with the tariffs and the the banning of sales of things like lithography equipment to china what they did is they forced china to domestically innovate its own microchip fabrication infrastructure which it has successfully done so now china is already on par with nvidia blackwell architecture

with not quite the power efficiency, but with the computational density, they have achieved that. And China is going to exceed what Nvidia can do very rapidly because they're forced to because of the tariffs. So in other words, you know how when Trump put tariffs or cut off russia from the swift system that was in so russia could no longer import export so russian billionaire investors could no longer send their money overseas and invest overseas so it forced russia to invest domestically in their own infrastructure a lot of it is military infrastructure so what did russia end up doing they built Oreshnik missile systems, hypersonic missile systems, anti-air defense systems, steel,

domestic minerals extraction technologies and pipelines to the point where they're manufacturing like a thousand drones a day right now. That was because of the tariffs. What Trump actually did is he forced Russia to become more self-reliant, which turned into literally Russian domestic prosperity and manufacturing leadership, which was the opposite of what Trump wanted to achieve and is the opposite of what Lindsey Graham wanted to achieve. They're making the same mistake with China. They think if we cut off China from NVIDIA, we cut off China from the lithography equipment that comes out of Europe, that then China will fall behind in the microchip race.

All they did actually is they forced China to invest in domestic microchip fabrication innovation. And to the point where right now, China, it looks to me like China's gonna win the race to AGI and also quantum computing and also micro nuclear reactors. So China is leading in like sixty out of sixty five key technologies that define the future of the human civilization. Everything from rare earth minerals extraction to robotics and now AI and, you know, applied material science, all kinds of areas. So it's a huge mistake to think that you can beat China by cutting them off from the US. The only way to beat China

is to revolutionize the US education system and stop churning out woke students and start teaching hard sciences and mathematics and engineering and start incentivizing smart people who know how to do things. And instead of censoring people like me, if our government were smart they should be asking me hey how'd you do that how'd you how'd you build this amazing engine for two million dollars because that's that's that's like that's really useful I get I get censored and blacklisted instead so that's why I mean they have all the wrong incentives they they hammer the people that are the innovators in america I mean, look at what you've experienced, Aaron. Look at what Roger Ver experience.

Roger Ver, a finance innovation mastermind, and they want to throw him in jail. they should be giving him an award and No, asking him, hey, how do we run an honest money banking system? That's my answer. Yep. Oh, they absolutely should. And they should with with the others as well. But the incentives aren't there. There's in fact, if you actually look at the history of public education, this isn't something that was hijacked. Public education always had a social agenda and that social agenda was more aligned, you know, ultimately with creating workers or factory jobs that just followed orders than for encouraging innovation. in creative thinking but hey maybe you can build uh you

you can take bright on you and tie it into the ai and create people can create their own custom learning programs I mean that's seems like a much better I I think the probability of us fixing government education is probably zero but I think the possibility the possibility of us innovating outside of that system that's right could be really high as long as we recognize that that's what we have to do I'm glad you brought that up because again I talk to people all the time about this I wasn't even kidding when I said, I think Americans may be the you know, most brainwashed. And I say that simply just because there's this delta between what people think the U.S. is versus what it actually is.

So, for instance, you know, if somebody says America is the freest nation on Earth, it's not according to any metric, not according to economic freedom. We're twenty sixth. We don't even rank. We're not even in the top ten for freedom of speech. You can go through every one of the lists. The only two areas I found that. We are number one, our incarceration rate and defense spending. But but that but think about how many people of our own people that we know actually don't know any of that. And literally they have this view. I remember growing up, you know, this is another thing that probably contributed to obesity, but you got to finish the food that's on your plate

because of all of the starving Chinese. This was a this was an Right. actual thing in the in the eighties. And so people still held on to that. that view when tick tock was um shut down or was threatening to be they threatened to shut down there was that other social media site that came up which I'm sure it had a lot propaganda but it was it of it was a lot of remember what it's called was a different I can't read something um I don't know if you remember this, but it was at another Chinese social media site and Americans were going on there and they were seeing how Chinese people were living and how people their age were living. was a lot of bad reaction. And all of a sudden there

Like, wait, wait a minute. They don't have student debt. you're saying that they have this Wait, technology? You mentioned sixty out of sixty five different areas. this is true even with electric cars. I mean, I mean, we see absolutely battery technology. yeah battery technology all of it so it's uh uh very important well and and recognize it gosh I guess we're almost out of time but if you don't mind me mentioning um yeah americans by and large they are they are rather brainwashed except for those americans who have traveled a lot outside the country or who have lived outside the country or who speak other languages um and you know I I lived in taiwan for two years and I

I traveled throughout asia and I lived in south america also and so I speak you know espanol as well as mandarin chinese and I think I'm able to take a more of a of a big picture point of view and I find that there's there's a lot of sort of american exceptionalism which translates into really ethnic racism against russians and against chinese and I'm not look I'm not saying that that I love putin or I love she I mean I love america I'm a texan I love texas I love our constitution I love our founding principles don't founding fathers and our get me wrong but if you don't respect the fact that the russians built the kinzal hypersonic missiles and the oreshnik

systems that are I mean we're talking a decade more advanced than anything the u.s military has come up with I mean the u.s army they've had a video a couple days ago they said have you ever seen a drone that can drop a grenade and they had like this this toy drone they can drop a grenade like yeah that was awesome in you know you guys are a decade behind and they were mocked so relentlessly by the way that the army had to pull that off of of twitter or or x the russians are more than a decade ahead of the us and china is the same more than a decade ahead of the us in all these key areas of technology and you know the rare earth minerals look at neodymium neodymium is necessary for

the actuators in the motors of every robot and also ford had to shut down their production lines because they ran out of neodymium for the magnets because trump put a tariff on china well guess what if trump puts tariffs on china the entire u.s automobile industry will shut down and it will stay shut down so and trump's living in the I guess or some Yeah, I'm sorry. No, I know we're about out of time. Go ahead. So if you have any closing thoughts and where can people find out about you and find out about Enoch? And then when we're done with that, I'm going to end this by playing the decentralized AI song that you- Oh, cool. Thank you. Yep. I want to thank you for introducing me to suno by

the way because I've had tons of fun with that with that ai engine okay so people can use the free enoch ai engine at brighteon.ai and brighteon is the word bright and then e-o-n brighteon.ai just like I have on the screen here brighteon.com is my video site I do daily updates podcasts and interviews I've interviewed you our decentralized tv show all those episodes are found at decentralized.tv And then my company publishes naturalnews.com, which is all about nutrition, And Aaron, last comment, natural health. we cannot achieve economic abundance if we are all diseased and half dead from processed food and medications and vaccines. So these subjects actually do go together.

If you don't have a healthy population, you can't make it in the future of human civilizations. Very well said. Well, thank you for coming on. hours and hours and hours, We could have gone on for but I know you've got to go. But this was terrific. I look forward to hopefully having you on again. And thank you for everything that you do. And I really do encourage everyone to check out this AI. It is game changing if you're actually interested in the truth. Thank you, Aaron. Really appreciate you and all that you do. Interested in hearing of your projects with Zano and elsewhere. So keep me posted and I look forward to joining you again. All right, great. Have a good one. You too. Bye.

De-decentralized, don't, don't compromise, be unauthorized Decentralized Commending what you feel They sterilize your mind with lies And make their fiction real They're

reading from a script Performing sci-op hits They occupy your conscious mind Until you're done with it

De-decentralized, don't, don't compromise, be unauthorized Decentralized Decentralized De-decentralized, got to realize, don't decarbonize Decentralize

I hope everyone enjoyed that interview. As I said, I had some follow-up conversations with him and really look forward to having him back. I do recommend that you check out this brighteon.ai and actually test it out and use it. It's free to use. But more importantly, I mean, there's an alarming trend going on. I think I just saw something today that YouTube is going to start using modeling to estimate people's ages. And if you aren't, if it comes up with algorithmically that you're not eighteen, you actually will have to provide an ID in order to get access to certain features. There's a lot going on globally with respect, restrict to age based restrictions and other verification,

particularly in places like the UK, Australia and everything else. And so, you know, it, we're not far off now in the U S now that we have real ID, which is increasingly digital, you know, there is a future where you may have to have permission to access the internet, which makes tools like what Mike is create, has created and is going to make, uh, something that you can have in your own self-custody that doesn't need to be attached to the internet all the more important because I I can see a scenario particularly with the white house policies on ai and crypto and everything else where um in an emergency they're going to be able to lock down and censor much more quickly

and easily than they did during covet and people are absolutely asleep at the switch on this so please check that out And I actually want to talk about, we're not quite ready for the Q&A. I had some other things I wanted to talk about that were follow-ups to this interview. And as I've stated in the last few podcasts, I'm working on three areas, the technocracy takeover, autonomy reboot, essentially reclaiming our free will. And then the revolution will be tokenized. So building decentralized systems as an alternative to this technocracy. And in this mode of autonomy reboot, people need to first recognize that they've been programmed, then uninstall the programming that they already have.

And then once you've done that, then on an ongoing basis, make sure you're not continuing to be programmed anew. which is increasingly happening by AI. I mean, I think there are a lot of people taking victory laps about how mainstream media is dying. And the truth is that yes, mainstream media is dying, but it's being replaced by AI algorithms. And the problem with these algorithms is that people think they're free. Meaning people don't think that these algorithms are manipulating them or programming them, which means they're disarmed. And so that is a very significant problem moving forward. it also applies to the And by the way, Genius Act and stable coins and everything else,

which is we're in a situation where technocracy is accelerating and people aren't even acknowledging it or resisting it. I want to talk about something related to this. This is probably the most viral tweet I've ever had. And I was surprised by the just kind of a thought that reaction because it was I had and I just tweeted it out there and ended up getting, you know, a million and a half views, seventy thousand likes, almost four thousand comments. And my point was, I'm increasingly convinced Americans are the most brainwashed people And I'm sure a lot of you might be, on the planet. you know, even hearing this, you know, you're pissed off about this. Oh, that can't be the case. You know,

America is the greatest country in the world. And the comment section was to prove my point because, you know, in those thirty nine hundred plus comments, there were people that were making those kinds of claims. And then inevitably I would pull up the stats. It's like, no, we rank twenty sixth in this. We rank thirty fourth in this. We rank tenth in this. and then I and I started thinking about it and a lot of times you'll have a situation where a boomer will say or somebody that's older will say well well this new generation uh you know is subject to woke programming yeah so see what's up canada two point oh it says I would argue canada is and That was a popular comment.

To me, and I would clarify this by saying, I don't think there's any country that has a bigger delta between what they think they are and what they actually are. There are Americans that think that we are the moral force for the world and should be the world's police force. And I would argue the opposite. I believe we have no moral authority anymore. I mean, look at this. We're at the point right now. I joked about this. we're going to have political You know, bumper stickers in twenty twenty eight that say, you know, my my politician visited Epstein's Island three times less than yours. this is essentially how we're going I mean, with this.

The limbo stick keeps on going down and down and down. I mean, to the point where it's even preposterous that people consider any of these people or ceding any power or authority to any of these politicians. And I want to tie this into what Mike was talking about with respect to China, because I actually posted something that got not as, you know, quite the reaction. Algorithmically, I would say, which is, you know, unpopular opinion. Elon Musk basically took all of his ideas from China. He's basically a Chinese wish dot com. And and the US is behind China technologically. Yeah. And there were some people that commented on there, well, no, this can't be the case. What about Tesla?

What about Neuralink? What about SpaceX? when you research those things, And actually, you found that there were predecessor technologies in China that predated all of those things. You start looking at what's going on with uh robotics and ev and mike even said you know from a technological perspective china is beating the us in sixty out of sixty five categories I mean how many of you even listening to this would have thought that it's sixty out of sixty five that we're losing. I mean, and it's areas like AGI, robotics, quantum computing. Right. This isn't something where these are these minor areas. And so I'm going to play a short video clip on this

because I've spent part of today just going on YouTube and looking at where China is with some of these technological advancements. And I think it'd be worthwhile for you to spend some time looking at these, but I'll just play the short clip now.

We want to use general purpose robots to create unlimited productivity. Just imagine that one day in our own robot factory, our robots are assembling themselves. Yeah, yeah.

Tesla sells one out of every three cars here in China. But now the game has changed. In twenty twenty, Tesla had nearly fifteen percent of China's EV market. Now it's down to around six percent. Tesla in China is having to slash prices again and again. Why is Tesla's market share going down so much here in China? While local brands are booming, BYD, NIO, and XPeng are cheaper, faster to update, and made for Chinese drivers. And prices are crazy different, with a Tesla costing around thirty thousand dollars here, while you can buy a BYD for less than ten thousand dollars. Tesla's lineup is aging. The Model Three and Y haven't changed much, while local brands are dropping new models every

quarter that look pretty sleek. I even went inside some of them at the Shanghai Auto Show, the world's biggest car show, and Tesla did not even exhibit here. And finally, national pride in geopolitics. Some consumers just prefer to buy Chinese right now.

So, I mean, there you have it. Those are just a few of the clips. I actually didn't I could have made I mean, this this part of it. Thirty minutes long just on some of the stuff that I was looking at today. But most people don't know this. Most people think Elon invented electric cars and that Tesla is dominating everywhere. Tesla's not even Tesla's They're not even winning in lost market share. Europe anymore. You saw the comment about what's going on in China. But if you're here in the United States, you think that it's the only thing and that, you know, Elon is a god here. What prompted me to investigate whether or not Elon might have actually just taken ideas from China

and just spun them up here was I knew when he bought Twitter that he said that he was modeling X's and Everything app off of WeChat. And WeChat is essentially... a chinese everything app which is a basis of a social credit system so he so what he's doing with x now and he hasn't even integrated payments yet is still far behind wechat well it turns out this is going on all over the place so here we are thinking oh yeah we're america we lead in tech we lead in innovation it's all and so this this what I'm talking about right now fits into this this narrative of The degree to which we're programmed, if we can't acknowledge – and by the way, I don't even care about America versus China. Again,

I think these are all manufactured ideas anyway just because what we're actually fighting is a global technocratic agenda. So I'm not even sitting here from the standpoint of saying, well, in order for America to win, I'm saying we are that delusional in terms of not understanding – the amount of programming and propaganda we have swallowed and it because so many will say well this is just the new woke movement and this only applies to millennials I remember so think about it when I went to elementary school we had to say the pledge of allegiance every day this is the entirety of elementary school and one student would actually have to come up and lead the would actually have to go

pledge of allegiance and to the principal's office and uh and and he would recite the pledge of allegiance into the pa system and then everybody else would follow along. And I mean, if you read the history of the pledge of allegiance, it was written by a socialist, Ralph Bellamy, and actually had what, you know, what is now known as the, the Nazi salute as part of And then once a week we the whole process. would do the star spangled banner. And then we had all of this other stuff about, you know, George Washington chopping down a cherry tree, or I don't even remember what all the bullshit was, but we, we learned it every year and it was all fake. All of it was fake.

and I'm Gen X. So we are completely I mean, delusional on this stuff. And we have lost so much ground in a short period of time. Again, what's important is from an individual perspective, you've really got to come to grips with the fact that we've been living in a fantasy land. and that we aren't the freest country and that we're losing ground. But again, all losing ground means is China is going to lead the global technocracy first. But I'm going to be doing a lot more research on what's going on in China and what's going on overseas because some of this was even news to me. And when Mike had said,

sixty out of sixty five categories, I mean, I knew China was ahead, but I didn't realize To what degree? So even computers, I saw something last week where I didn't even remember what the company is, but they have this new computer that you can twist into all kinds of different form factors. It could be a tablet. It could be a desktop. It could be something where you could make the screen elongated touchscreen. It does like all of these different things. It's more powerful in a better interface even than Apple. So I'm just... I'm going to touch more on this point. I'm not going to harp on the, you know, I'm only going to harp on this brainwashed thing in terms of being able to

bring up examples to show exactly how far off the mark we are. So when people say Canada's worse, I don't see it. Yeah, Canada has the MAID program, where it's one of the top you know, leading causes of death now is state-sponsored, you know, suicide and everything else. There's a lot of horrible... things and woke policies, but Canadians don't think they're the moral force for the world. And so we are spreading our delusion everywhere. And we're about to get into a lot of conflicts. What is going on really with the Genius Act and all this AI stuff is we were the leading player for a long time and we've lost it. We've already lost it, but we're not going to go quietly.

And so what they're doing is they're using force to try to protect this leadership position, which by the way, won't work and never works, but it's also what failing nations have a tendency to do and we should recognize it as well. This is why I believe the political prisoners that we have are still facing what they're facing because these are the heroes that were actually promoting true American values and true freedom. and actually getting legal opinions that said that what they were doing was legal. Those are the only people that are still being prosecuted, right? If you're doing a meme coin, you're not. And it's because they know we're at the end. And so they need to

implement this kind of surveillance and have this level of granular control over money and all of our assets. But it's going to get scary with energy. with energy in terms of energy costs. It's going to get very scary And then how much are they really going to double down on the importance of this AI race? then it's going to become some macho thing where, well, we've got to be the best in this. And so then all of a sudden, you have to start rationing electricity so that America can be number one in this supposed race to the death against China. So enough about that. I do want to talk about something in the revolution will be tokenized category. I mentioned it at the outset.

And it's confidential layer. But I do want to frame this again. And I am working on my book, which will be called The Revolution Will Be Tokenized. I had a great interview with Ernie Hancock last week about this as well. And this is what we're going to be talking about at Ron Paul's birthday. But As I've said many times, every asset will be tokenized. This is the direction that all commerce is moving towards. Right now, commerce uses centralized databases. Tokenization is... can be an improvement on that because you don't have the uh centralization and the ability to change you know transactions and records and you can cut down on the trillions of dollars of economic loss

every year due to cyber attacks and ransom and database corruption and everything else but Just with the Genius Act and Clarity Act alone, understand that the centralized form of tokenization, where digital tokens that represent assets that can be programmed, tracked, and censored by third parties, by governments and others, That's what's happening with the Genius and Clarity Act. So stable coins are, it's a tokenized dollar. That's essentially the way you should look at it because it has to be backed by dollars and treasuries. So you can look at now regulated stable coins as being essentially a digital dollar that can be censored by Congress and that has to be audited by the Federal Reserve.

That is what that is. And they're applying that same technology and the same rules through the Clarity Act to stocks, bonds, and commodities like gold, silver, oil, and financial instruments like your four or one K and your IRA. So this is what is happening with tokenization. This is not what a future thing that might happen. This is what this legislation is, and this is what it means. It's actively happening right now. So the solution to counter act that is to privately tokenize assets so that they can be traded in a peer-to-peer manner without third parties and without being you know on an open ledger where everybody can see what's going on that's the solution and we talk a lot

about what those applications are well one of them which I've talked about on the show often just launched today which is confidential layer. So this is exciting news. So what can you tokenize? you can tokenize every asset on earth. Well, again, You can tokenize everything from money to your house, to mineral rights on an asteroid, to your car, to your computer. Everything can be tokenized. But one of the exciting tokenized privately are things that can be other cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin, like Ethereum, like BNB, like Solano in the future. like TON, which is the telegram coin. Even Tether itself could be tokenized and made private using Zeno.

And that's exactly what's happened today with this launch of Confidential Layer. So I'm going to show you a few screenshots, you a short video. but then I'm going to play So I'll give you a little context of what you're going to see in the video before I play the video. And the way Confidential Layer works is a pretty simple concept. You say, okay, well, what token do I want to tokenize and make private? And so today this is what you can pick from Ethereum, BNB, DAI, USDT, and BTC. Okay. you say you have one of So I want to, you know, those and you want to make those private. Okay. You select the amount of that particular cryptocurrency that you want to bridge. You select which blockchain

you want to bridge it into. So in this case, Zeno, and then you put your Zeno address and, And then it goes through a process where you connect your wallet for whatever the coin is that you're trying to bridge, BTC in this example. So then the steps are you connect the wallet, you deposit your Bitcoin, and then it locks your Bitcoin. And then you request a withdrawal and then you get out of the other end tokens representing those Bitcoin that you can then claim in your wallet. And so that's very simply what the process is. I'm going to play a short video that hopefully you'll be able to see. This just launched today. This was just put together.

I haven't actually, I've been working on this presentations. I didn't even had time to do it myself. So somebody, I'm very thankful for whoever put this video together so that, so we can walk through this now.

Well, in any event, can you hear me now? All right. So there was an audio with the video. This happened kind of at the last minute. So this was sent to me. I didn't even have a chance to preview it. I was trying to narrate as best as I could, but I think maybe it's possible that the audio wasn't coming through. So in any event, we'll do a better version of this walkthrough. But in any event, you can watch and kind of replay the different steps here in terms of connecting your Bitcoin wallet and then basically sending in your Bitcoin and locking your Bitcoin. and then pulling out your Zeno tokens that represent your tokenized Bitcoin. That's essentially what went on in that video.

Again, I encourage you to check it out. I haven't even checked it out yet, so I will definitely be doing that tomorrow. But this is exciting in terms of... What this opens up, which is more than two trillion dollars worth of value that can now be made private and spendable. So this is huge for the adoption of privacy. This is huge for counteracting the tokenization that we're seeing with stablecoins and with the Clarity Act. This opens up a whole new world of a massive amount of buying power and I think is probably the biggest development to happen to Zeno.

I think the Freedom Dollar is another one. So the two of those combined, the fact that we now have, I'm seeing here in the comments, Interface would be greatly simplified. in the coming days so I'll hold off on doing a fuller tutorial on that until the new interface comes out but this is a huge development that's going to be able to you know fix some of the big underlying problems with these transparent chains and really um really open things up for for xeno and you know again the beauty of this is that every time you use the tokens that are created on xeno so when you're using freedom dollar or you're using your bitcoin or ethereum or bnb or whatever that's been tokenized on xeno that's

burning fees and so that's decreasing the supply after a certain point of uh of xeno while the demand is increasing so that that to me is the big use case and the big you know underlying uh bullish case for the price that because it's it's actually separate from speculation not to say that there won't also be speculation on top of that but it isn't just based on number go up number goes up because people are using it why are people using it because people need to privately tokenize assets so that they can trade them and not get stuck in this CBDC system and this centralized system where governments around the world can shut off and burn

all of your assets, not just your money. So that's the exciting case for Zeno. So I look forward to people testing that out a little bit more. And at this point, I'll open it up to kind of the Q&A side of this I I was a little uh I wanted to prepare for this a little bit more unfortunately I had a death in the family and ended up at a funeral yesterday and I'm not going to go into all that, but it's been a pretty tough week. And so moving forward, we're going to schedule this better so that we can have guests on and everybody can properly calendar and pencil this in. So I'm grateful that I see Dan has showed up and anyone else who wants to show up.

To me, this little group chat thing at the end is one of my favorite parts and usually you know there are several different takeaways and things that I learned from them that just completely wasn't expected so um so I just put the link to stream yard in the comments so if you want to join by all means Obviously, I'm not heavily censoring this. So far, we haven't had any problems with anybody abusing this. The whole point is to just have some intelligent conversation around not just this podcast, but I'd say keep it to the extent that we can, the broad categories of the technocratic takeover and autonomy reboot and the

revolution will be tokenized. I see Sky Animates love joining, but have to bow out tonight. No worries. I saw I Am For I Am, who I have not seen in weeks and was worried about. He was on and then said he'd come back. So I hope he does come back because I'd love to hear what he's up to. But I see Dan is up. So let's see. Dan, are you there? I might have to DM him here.

Dan actually works in the power industry. So I was actually chatting with him today about his hands-on experience with what's going on with power generation and prices and capabilities of the grid and so forth. So I hope when he pops up, we can chat about that as well. The gun bat fire is here. Hello. Hey, guys. Hi. So I'm from the designer team. So if anyone has questions about convention layer, then I'm happy to answer. Oh, great.

Yeah, I mean, I think we're going to want to, well, probably with more advanced notice. I mean, I saw from the comments, once the interface is streamlined, it'll be great to do probably a dedicated broader segment on how all this works. So it'd be great if you're able to come on for that. Yeah, for sure. I just put that video together really quick. But yeah, in the coming days, the process will be simplified and it will really be easy to use for anyone. Well, this is exciting, right? That's great. this has been in the works for months. I mean, And, you know, we definitely want to get the word out on this as soon as we can. So as many people, you know,

there are a lot of problems with Bitcoin. There are a lot of problems with the tracking. There are people being physically harmed. There are a lot of issues going on here. And so this is an important solution and really timely. Yeah, for sure. Well, I mean, I may have a few questions. I mean, how much do you know about like the timeline with Confidential Layer and when maybe some of the other blockchains might come on? I saw that Solana is on the list. Yeah, so Solana and Ton are next. I don't know what the exact timeline is, but I can already see the code there. So they already made a lot of progress. And they also announced... a little while ago that they

want to implement Bitcoin Cash. So I'm guessing that's that's probably the next one. OK, well, that's great. that's and I saw just from the I mean, brief screenshot, you can't you can't bridge USDT into Zeno, can you? No, because that's due to USDT being able to be frozen. So the risk there is that there for some reason maybe they don't like Confidential Layer or they don't like Sanu, they could freeze all the USDT on the breach. So that's why it's not allowed to prevent that. But you can breach decentralized stablecoins like DAI. Great.

That's a great point for anyone that's listening. And you should be concerned about Tether has been frozen. This has been an ongoing situation. Even before the Genius Act, USDC and Tether had been working very closely with law enforcement all over the world. And all you have to do is Google it or go onto Twitter and just search and you can see a long list of examples of of where these stable coins have been frozen. And now it's ratcheting it up. Now it's going to the next level. So I mean, at least with DAI, DAI is an algorithmic stable coin. if I'm not mistaken, So you're also not funding US debt or buying US treasuries because DAI is not backed by us treasuries or dollars um

and so that's a another huge advantage that people really need to understand this stablecoin legislation is all about adding financial surveillance and it's all about funding debt based on the hype of stablecoins and so uh I'm my guess is if you're listening to this podcast you're not excited about two and a half trillion dollars in additional debt every year and what the US is doing with that debt. And so that's great that you can bridge DAI into Zeno. And of course, there's also Freedom Dollar, which you can use, which is a... Privacy stable coin that is built on Zeno and backed by over collateralized Zeno. So this is great. So we've got more options and we have a ton of new

buying power and capacity coming into the network. So this is really exciting. And for those of you that have been following me and following Zeno, this has been the last ninety days or so. You know, I mean, we now have cake wallet bitcoin.com wallet we have edge wallet we have confidential layer we have freedom dollar we have xanox.io which if you haven't checked that out you can buy gift cards directly with xano There is a fifty five dollar minimum, as my son pointed out to me recently. So if you want to do something less than fifty five dollars, you need to use Monero or something else. But still, you can you can do that.

You can actually buy Zeno directly. There's a lottery that's available through Zeno X dot IO. So if you know. This is another scam. Lotteries. And you probably will see those memes. I saw some meme where somebody won, you know, two hundred million dollars or something, and they only took a took a home, you know, thirty three percent of it in a lump sum payment after taxes. And so, you know, this is one of these things where they rip you off anyway. The payout is is a small percentage of the amount collected. And then the IRS takes two thirds of what's left. And so, you know, you're not necessarily actively promoting gambling here, but if you're going to play a lot or at least do one

where you're going to get a decent payout, you're not funding the your money to the IRS. government and giving all So... And then there's some other things. There's Zano Bay, which is a P-to-P marketplace on Zano that I encourage you to check out. And I know there's a lot more, so many projects going on now that I'm not even on top of it all. I've created my plugin for WooCommerce, which in the process of updating, and as I said, I'm going to be launching an incubator based on this idea of the revolution will be tokenized. where you know I'm just going to start giving people the business models and maybe even prototyping some of these things I just want these things built

it's not important that I own them but I it is important that people have concrete examples of the kinds of things that you can build everything that exists in the centralized world can be recreated and needs to be recreated privately that's the way that we actually win this technocracy battle so people will say to me well I'm worried about moving into these alternative currencies. How will I be able to make money? And the truth is, I've never seen a bigger opportunity to create a new business. And you could create the ones that I'm excited about that I will build if no one else jumps in and does it, a marketplace for medical services around the world, tourism and medical

a marketplace for food to connect farmers all over the world. You could create a private exchange for stocks where you can buy and sell and trade ownership in small businesses. Again, we're not going to apply this technology to Walmart or the existing companies that are bought into the existing system, but everything else can be You could create a loyalty program using tokens built on Zeno. Again, it's endless. Patrick Byrne had identified when he was doing overstock.com and decided to move into the blockchain space, they identified one hundred and sixty different market opportunities that could be tokenized and and moved

away from the centralized systems with all of the third parties and all the corruption and everything else. I'm actually trying to get Patrick on the show to talk about what happened with Overstock. I've been going back and forth with him to not only talk about what happened, but also to share what some of these tokenization opportunities are. He created this blockchain tech stack. for human civilization. And the idea is that if everything crumbled around us, if these big institutions that people put their faith in all fall, you could build a blockchain tech stack for human civilization where you could kind of hot swap into something else. You could have a replacement for capital markets,

a replacement for the supply chain, a replacement for voting. a replacement for um all of these different functions and and it's true because everything runs on centralized systems that are corruptible and that have multiple third parties so everything runs like that so now that's how big the opportunities are to create um on xeno and and by the way they're just not opportunities they're actually absolutely necessary at this point And I'm doing my best to try to figure out how to explain this urgency as much as possible to people that aren't even aware that there's a problem or actually cheering on the tyranny, not knowing it's tyranny. So anyway. Yeah. And even this week,

the biggest non-KYC crypto exchange went down. So that will be TradeOrg. And, you know, that's not a new thing because governments have been cracked down. on exchanges that don't ask for a URIT. And one of the things that Confidential Layer enables on Zano is that any token that you bridge, so Bitcoin, Ethereum, whatever, can also be used on Zano Trade. So that is a decentralized private exchange. So then you open the possibility for completely decentralized private markets right there. you know, without asking permission or without requiring custodians.

Yep. I mean, that's a great point. And by the way, with these point of sale systems as well, this is one of the reasons I've been so passionate about the point of sale system thing, because if we can enable merchants there are something like eight You know, million WooCommerce sites. but I thought I read that somewhere. That might be wrong, Eight million e-commerce sites that are powered by WooCommerce. Well, now you could use a plug in. And right now it's just set up for Zeno. But moving forward, I'm going to add these bridged assets as well. So you'll be able to actually spend. your bridged bitcoin and ethereum and all of these other things you'll be able to buy and sell things

through those uh using the privatized version of it so this is this is really the way out and and this confidential layer announcement just added all kinds of liquidity and buying power to the system so I'm I'm really excited about it and thank you for coming on and also thank you for putting together that video I I I don't know if even my Voice-over came through it sounded like there might not have been any sound but I hadn't actually watched it yet So the voiceover probably wasn't even that helpful and possibly not accurate Yeah, no, we couldn't hear the voiceover actually Oh, okay. Maybe that's worse. So I will take a look. And tomorrow I will, of course, actually use it.

I wish I had time to do it before this today, but I'm going to actually use it myself tomorrow and report back. Yeah, yeah. I think just over the following days, the screeners will be a lot So, yeah. more polished. How many trillions of dollars are in the marketplace right now that are going to be able to be used through confidential layer that wasn't able to be used before confidential layer? Are we talking nine trillion or is that less than that? it looks like it looks like two I mean, point nine trillion. If I if I look at the if the market caps of Bitcoin, Ethereum and BNB,

then that's, you know, whatever, two point two point nine, two point eight, two point nine trillion just with those three coins. Yeah, and then you have to take into account the ecosystem inside Ethereum, for example, that's. The free amounts here, I'm sure. Yep, that's a great point. but I think that as governments Yeah, continue to crack down on non-KYC exchanges, people will seek for decentralized alternatives. And even current decentralized exchanges, they are not private, but they are not good at being exchanged either

because of the fact that they are not private. There are bots on Ethereum, for example, that monitor your trades and they manipulate them because it's all public information. So because of lack of privacy, current decentralized exchanges are not even efficient. So, you know, that's another issue that gets solved by privacy by default. And so, yeah, I think there will be all kinds of new publics interested in this. Yep. So I encourage people to, well, maybe wait a couple of days. It does sound like every time something launches, there's obviously bugs to work out. And I can't even imagine how complex the tech is underneath the hood on this.

I mean, just from what I understand about So there may be a few kinks how it works. that get worked out, but this is absolutely a game changer for privacy. And for Zeno, I mean, and look at what's going on right now with the Samurai Wallet guys now have pled guilty. And, you know, what's going on with Roman Storm with his verdict tomorrow. the government... Anything that's a... You know, you know, optional privacy tends to be somewhat problematic. The fact that this is just a decentralized protocol is really important. It's incredibly important. And as you said, with the crackdown on centralized exchanges, this might be a

mission-critical piece to having any chance of stopping the growth of technocracy. Yeah, yeah. And even enables, you know, more paths to acquiring Xano and soon other privacy coins, which is the main thing that governments try to crack down on. So as far as the point of sale systems, what exactly is the time period to be able to start getting local merchants accepting Xano instead of credit card payments at three percent? When local merchants, they wouldn't have to pay that three percent anymore.

Wouldn't that be an attractive feature? Yeah, it would. I don't even know if it's so much about the three percent because, I mean, the issue you're going to run into is, OK, well, what am I going to do with the cryptocurrency? And, you know, there are other issues with this. The actual... The target audience for this is for people that, do you want to be able to continue to sell your products or not? Do you want to have the freedom to remain in business? That has to be the point of it. Not to say that it isn't going to be less expensive than the credit card processing fees, but the more important thing that people should be alarmed about is how money is becoming more programmable.

and how that is going to be weaponized if you look at what happened with covid it just it killed small business and now that the u.s congress has control over stable coins in an emergency the ability to say hey you can only use you know we're going to give you a stimulus check but you can only use this stimulus check it's like programmed like a health savings account you can only use it at these merchants like it's a and I know it's tough to explain which is going to be the hardest thing to work through because people don't know how the existing thing works, let alone the difference between a CBDC or a stable coin or any of this other stuff. But it's important that we onboard people that do

understand first so that we can start building these things out. Now, I can... I've got to work on the plugin. Confidential Layer just launched, so I have to figure out how to integrate. I don't think it's going to be hard technically because it's just a token built on Zeno, but I've got to do some work there and I actually I need to hire a dev to do to work on all of these incubated projects because I already know what the problem is like I'm traveling most of the time and it's like if I if I've actually coded something which I'm not the greatest coder in the world if there's a problem with it then you know what am I going to do? How do I, how do I allocate my time? So,

but I'm not ready to talk about that in the next couple of weeks. I will on one of these podcasts kind of explain my plan moving forward and, and try to recruit, start recruiting people, but I don't have the specifics on that. But I know Dan, you said you had a merchant and I think that's exciting. The thing that's exciting about, um, I think Freedom Dollar is probably going to be the most important thing for the merchants that you're talking about, because my guess is they're not going to want to have the volatility of price. Um, and you know, the truth is it's like, there's not a lot of buying power. If you, if you took just Zeno, Zeno has a hundred and thirty,

hundred and forty million dollar market cap. And if you sign up a local retailer, what are the chances that there's a huge concentration of buying power with Zeno in their area? Right. It's not very high. I mean, they may have at most a handful of customers. So what you're going to want to do with a point of sale system is allow them to be able to take any of a number of different cryptocurrencies, but then they're going to want to get paid in just one crypto. I've gone through this experience over and over again. I've yet to find a merchant that is excited about the idea of managing crypto. multiple coins in a wallet because then what are they going to do with it?

How are they going to pay their vendors? Now it's like everything is a swapping transaction in which point it actually isn't cheaper than using MasterCard or Visa because you have to pay fees every time you do the swapping. So I think one of the things that I was working on in the design of the plugin is Kind of like we did with Neil, where he'll be able to take a bunch of different cryptocurrencies, but then there will be one swap that happens and the merchant will get paid in freedom dollars. So that way they have the stability of the dollar and then you can do whatever they want with that. and don't have to manage, you know, multiple coins, but then they get the

buying power of all of these coins. So the combined power, you know, once you can, now you can get Bitcoin and Ethereum and XRP and Tether, all of that buying power, um, which gives you more potential customers. That's good stuff. I remember listening to Ian Freeman over the years and, uh, He was always on the air talking about spreading the message of cryptocurrencies and Bitcoin. And he was always trying to get local vendors. I believe in Keene, New Hampshire. I've never been there before, but apparently he had most of the businesses there registered.

And since then, I think less crypto adoption is actually going on now. than when he was actually talking about this seven or eight years ago. So maybe the freedom dollar is a game changer in this field. There's been a significant drop off in crypto adoption. And in part, there's a, you know, Bitcoin was hijacked and that's a different story. But the real adoption that was happening for using crypto for peer to peer transactions was happening up until about twenty seventeen. And then the hijacking happened. And then in New Hampshire, here in New Hampshire, there were a lot of the merchants that Ian signed up, they were using a point-of-sale system called AnyPay.

And when Ian was raided by the FBI, the people behind AnyPay were also raided. They didn't have a warrant, so they're not in jail, but they just left and kind of abandoned the project. So this has been a problem with point-of-sale systems. And by the way, it continues to be a problem. So if I create a plug-in or something, It's just open source software. Once you get into becoming a corporation that does point of sale systems, then we know what happens with that. BitPay is the largest point of sale system. And I believe they still are the largest crypto point of sale system. But they don't deal with privacy coins at all. And now it's heavily regulated. And the last time I checked

when I ran for political office, I couldn't even get anybody to respond to me and they weren't taking new merchants. So everything's kind of locked down. And that is inevitably what will happen with any solution that is controlled by a centralized corporation, which isn't to say... So it's kind of like we're in this wild, wild west point right now where there are different services that you might use. It would be great if people didn't have to use any centralized exchanges at all, but that's not... and that's what we're trying to move towards. But certainly if somebody wants to get onboarded, you know, in a big way, um, there's still a need for exchanges and then you want

to get through the exchange and then start getting into these private, private alternatives. So there's, there's some temporary measures there and we're going to need, need some of those for awhile. But I, I, from my personal perspective, I'm not looking to get involved with anything that actually has even a centralized corporation because it's such a point of, of risk and, and easy regulation. Yeah, absolutely. So with this whole Trump administration, pro-crypto, pro-Bitcoin, now they're using civil asset forfeiture to create

the strategic Bitcoin reserve. I would say that that's the complete opposite of freedom. And is anybody else... looking at this in any which way from um in the crypto world the same way or it seems like the general consensus is that this is a good thing I don't see it that way though well so it's problematic this is why when I was on the the lp mises caucus thing that you know thank you for for setting that up by the way and I was chatting with them and you know if there's anybody that should be interested in sound money it should be the mises caucus And when they were preparing for the interview, the guy said they went through the first dozen articles and kept on going

through pages and couldn't find anything that was against the Genius Act. And I think that there are many reasons for this. One reason is that the tragedy is, and we know people like this personally, if you were early in Bitcoin and you're still calling it freedom money and you're buying into these arguments, it's all just number go up. And at some point, a lot of people have traded... their principles for an increase in fiat. If you got into crypto post- twenty seventeen, the truth is you just don't know anything about the history behind it. So it's just a lack of information. And unfortunately, the people that would be the best at communicating the history about this are, you know,

are themselves either in prison or facing prison time. So I don't necessarily blame those people. I don't blame somebody that's post- twenty seventeen. I mean, they should think more critically, but at the same time, if all you're getting is propaganda and you, and it's, you can't even find alternative information about the topic and everybody from, I mean, you've got these events where multiple presidential candidates are taught, which I, by the way, I've learned a lot. Some of it I can't talk about, but about how even some of these political candidates got onboarded to this. Um, The political candidates don't know. Do I think that Trump knows about Bitcoin being hijacked? Do I think RFK Jr.

knows about Bitcoin being hijacked? I absolutely do not because I know the people that are surrounding them. So at this point, if you've got, you know, the president comes up and says, well, this is a national security issue and we're going to be America and we're great and we have to lead in this. Well, OK, when you go to do your research on this, what are you going to find? What are you going to find when you search this up? And then knowing that the position that Bitcoin maxis have taken has been to censor people. They don't actually engage in debate. I learned this when I wrote a short review about hijacking Bitcoin prior to having him on my podcast. And then immediately got

blocked by Michael Saylor and Safey and Samson Mao and most of the Bitcoin core developers. They just immediately blocked. In many cases, there was no engagement with me at all. There's an actual GitHub that lists... accounts to automatically block. Max Keiser's blocked me. I've never interacted with Max Keiser before. Why? Because they have adopted an explicit strategy of we're going to ignore opposition. And the sad part about it is it works. So you may have the right answer, but if the other side controls the mainstream media, they control the large politicians, and then they're organized about using censorship and mocking,

then frankly, it's very difficult to get the word out. Yeah, it's been that way since the block war discussions. Yep, it has. In many respects, it's gotten worse. And I've got to be honest, it pisses me off. I mean, what's happened to Roger is, I mean, it's more than pissed me off. But I mean, it's just, but it's so frustrating to watch. But then to know that, I know that there are some, well, actually, I don't think any of these politicians necessarily have good intent, but I do know that some of them just are unaware. This is why government shouldn't be involved in these kinds of decisions anyway. But I don't know that there's necessarily malice

in a lot of its opportunism. Some of it is malice. There are some bad players. Howard Lutnick is a bad actor. There are many just overtly bad actors in this. I said this at the beginning of my podcast since last week's podcast, which went, I mean, we had over twenty thousand people live. And then I've done a whole bunch of other podcasts after that. And I've even had a few mainstream media ish interviews. And, you know, opportunity with Howard there may be some Lutnik to explore how utterly corrupt this process is. I mean, Howard Lutnik, you know, his firm invested.

in tether prior to the election and then with no political experience whatsoever he got the most powerful position of being in charge of trump's transition team which meant he was in charge of vetting who would be in trump's cabinet so so he was responsible for the selection process of the entire cabinet and then pushed himself to be the treasury secretary that was wanted so think about this actually what he originally he put six hundred million dollars in tether In exchange for getting an exclusive contract for his firm, Cantor Fitzgerald, to manage all of the treasuries for Tether and then tried to get a job as the treasury secretary where he would be the one issuing the treasuries.

I mean, my God, again, find me even a Clinton or a Bush or a Biden that's done anything that's at that level of just overtly corrupt. And we're not even talking about just self-enrichment. This is about having a big influence over the money supply of this country. I mean, that's how much control this guy is in the position. So they put in six hundred million dollars just because of the fees that they can make off of backing these treasuries. Well, I will tell you, I've if you've been I was talking about this on this podcast months ago, like at the very beginning actually of the administration and but when I talk to people in the media about it there's so

much to unpack they don't understand what any of these things mean what is what do treasuries mean uh you know I mean I talked to somebody that for three or four hours they've interviewed me and you know just for essentially for a couple of sentences but what I'm saying vetted by then they're having to get other financial journalists and the other financial journalists don't know what this is nobody understands this stuff And most people believe the hype. And then there's this thing where, well, the wall street journal said that, you know, tether is the big loser from the genius act. Like I don't care what the wall street journal knows nothing about cryptocurrency or stable coins.

I mean I I they've inter they've well I had a brief interview which I didn't follow up with but there's nobody there the background of these journalists is not steeped in a direct understanding of how cryptocurrency works so I what this journalist said told him like I don't care let me lay out for you why um why canterford's gerald and howard ludnick are the big winner in all of this It's now the government policy to support stable coins. Stable coins have to be backed by treasuries. His firm manages the treasuries. This isn't hard to figure out. But it is in a way. So I'm struggling with that. I'm actually kind of working on content. I mean, we have this content, but it's like, okay,

how do we get millennials versus Gen Z? What's the right breakdown of memes versus short video clips versus long video clips versus long articles versus books, right? A lot of this all comes down to time management and figuring out how to have the most impact. And... It's not easy is the answer. And it's very interesting to look at what the challenges are by generation in particular. Because there isn't one coherent message, right? You actually do have to package this content in a variety of different ways. Unfortunately, we don't have time. The one thing I want to stress the most is always urgency. It's like we've lost ground.

I've heard people recently say, well, at least with Trump, we bought time. We did not buy time. We've lost time. We now have a digital ID through Real ID. We signed up for Patriot Act II.O, which is part of the one big, beautiful bill. We just did a backdoor CBDC with the Genius Act, and then we're going to tokenize equities and commodities, stocks, bonds, and commodities with the same KYC as stable coins, and then put that under the control of government. That's not buying time. That's actually... That's losing years worth of time. You know, Harris would have been able to do this. And I'm not saying it would have been better if it doesn't matter which one of them was elected.

But the problem that we have right now is people are complacent and uninformed. And boy, propaganda is, as I said last week, I actually watched the House debate this. know these talking points so we don't want to be like communist china and everything else I'm like you know you guys in congress are the ones that write all of the the financial surveillance bills not the federal reserve I hate the federal reserve but the federal reserve is not proactively initiating financial surveillance all of it comes from congress this is why I'm going to try to start saying that cbdc now means congress-backed digital currency I don't care. Then fight me over what the name of it means,

and then we can have a conversation on why it's Congress that regulates this stuff and not the Federal Reserve. But then I always have to say, Federal Reserve. but I'm not defending the You have to separate money and state. But nevertheless, Congress, these guys really are the bad guys. And some of them are so stupid, they don't even know. Ted Cruz... put in an anti-CBDC bill. I talked to him about it. It's like, we have to put in an anti-CBDC bill so that the Federal Reserve doesn't preemptively create a CBDC. It's like, they can't do that. It's not, I mean, that's pretty clearly prohibited in the Constitution, but I'm like, didn't you reauthorize parts of the Patriot Act that

actually added financial surveillance? And he might not even know, by the way, right? Part of the problem with this, these bills are so big that There are people that have signed off on the Patriot Act and the CARES Act that are still in Congress, and they don't even know what was in it. Even still, years later, they don't know what's in it. That's how difficult this decision is. influence these politicians You're not going to because these politicians don't even know what it is that they have personally already voted for. So this is the challenge ahead. But again, as long as we're building, we have to in parallel But I think one of the build the solution. biggest problems that we have

is it's like everybody should automatically be using Zeno, but there are a lot of people, even value privacy. younger people that don't They don't know why they should value privacy. This is why I spend as much time as I do trying to explain what technocracy is, because once you understand what technocracy is, assuming you still want to have any degree of control over your own life and making any decisions at all, then you should be interested in looking at alternatives. But most people are not So Brian, aware of the threat. Got one more question for you. Executive order one four zero six seven was reversed by Trump when he got elected. That was the reversal of the CBDC law that Biden made.

How come Roger Ver, Ian Freeman and other crypto guys are still in prison, even though that was repealed by Trump? Well, so the interesting thing is that executive order authorized the U.S. government to pursue a CBDC. And actually, people in the House saying I was watching some of the they didn't want the new anti-CBDC law because we should be able to research CBDCs. The joke about all of this developing CBDCs since two is that they've been thousand eighteen and actually launched three pilots. I mean, we have something called Project Hamilton. which is retail CBDC that does one point eight million transactions per second.

They actually built it. It was the Federal Reserve of Boston and MIT with some Bitcoin developers. I mean, it's just, you know, so so we have Congress sitting here saying, well, you know, or Biden passing an executive order. Well, we should explore this. And then you'll have the Federal Reserve saying, well, we don't even know if we want to explore it when the reality is they started building it in twenty eighteen. So the interesting thing is the part of that executive order that was the least impactful was the part about building a CBDC because they actually didn't make any new progress on that. But what they did make progress was on the whole of government crackdown on crypto.

The problem is that they're still, when you look at what's in the Genius Act, they've just added a whole bunch of regulation. They've added a bunch of oversight. So while they're not pursuing the lawfare in the same way, they've just constructed a whole series of laws that they will still prosecute under. So it's not like nobody's ever going to be arrested. They've just added a whole bunch of new laws. So now if you're Tether today versus Tether six months ago, and I'm not – I don't want to defend either of that. Tether and USDC have their own problems, and I don't even want to get into that. But now if you're Tether, you have to – You'd be subject to monthly audits by the Federal Reserve.

You have to register as a financial organization. You have to back your stuff by treasuries. You have all of this other compliance. You have bank secrecy laws and everything else. There's actually more stuff for Tether to comply with under Trump. There's more stuff for USDC. Politicians try to spin this as being regulatory clarity. People didn't want regulatory clarity. People want freedom. The only people that want regulatory clarity are usually the existing incumbent players that want to capture new innovation. Those are the people that want regulatory clarity and the politicians who can get a cut of it in the process. That's who wants regulatory clarity. So the regulatory clarity

means more regulation. More regulation means you're going to find that there are more people that are going to be prosecuted. The reason that our friends have been targeted, they still haven't violated any law. And in fact, if anything, they reflect what American values were supposed to be, but are certainly not in any way, shape or form in reality today. And the truth is, Trump, we are a nation in decline. They know we're a nation in decline. We have a series of bubbles that are all popping simultaneously. And literally, the strategy at this point is we're going to bail this thing out one Ponzi at a time and hope that AI

creates enough productivity increases to not have everything collapse. That's essentially the level of desperation that this is at. And it's not a likely positive outcome that they're going to have. It's like a caged animal. Again, they're failing. Every nation that ends up failing and ends up getting into this defensive mode, usually when nations start failing, they don't start increasing freedom. Unfortunately, historically, they tend to clamp down. And that's exactly what's happening here. So what Roger and Ian and Roman and others offered were choices to what the real problem was. And the real problem is actually fiat currency. And it's fiat currency, whether it's whether the

fiat currency is issued through a central bank or the only thing worse than a central bank currency, it would be a currency issued directly by Congress. And I actually talked to people about this. I was at this conference. I was on a CBDC panel and there were some politicians, congressmen, senators, current and former talking about CBDCs. And there was this guy, Ron Wyden from Oregon. liberal, complete left liberal. I'm like, why is this guy on an anti-CBDC panel? And the reason is that part, yeah, we shouldn't have the this complete unnecessary Federal Reserve getting cut in the middle, right? It's useless. It's a useless private cartel that gets their pound of flesh printing

digital money out of thin air. But he wanted more control over the direct programmability of money, and he wanted that to be put directly in the hands of Congress. That's actually even worse than a central bank currency. So the important thing here is to actually separate money from state. And even as I'm describing it right now, I wrote a long article about this where it's like commercial banks, central banks, and government, they all like to point the fingers at each other, but the truth is they are all complicit. in the financial surveillance and they're all complicit in the devaluation of the currency and they work together very nicely and they've got a little a nice little game

going right it's like trump's like oh well the federal reserves are awful these guys are horrible golden age and everything else and then they pass a bill that you know gives the federal reserve audit authority which is great it's pretty amazing that an entity that can't even pass its own audit is now responsible for monthly audits on other people. Tether may or may not have reserves. I don't know if they have reserves or not, but the Federal Reserve is not the entity qualified to make determinations about whether or not they have assets covering what they're doing. But this is where we are. So they remain a threat because they need the hype. They actually need this hype.

The treasury secretary said, we think we can sell two trillion dollars worth of treasuries by doing this stable coin bill. So basically, China doesn't want to buy our treasuries anymore. Japan can't buy our treasuries. And apparently, government has decided it's just completely impossible to even try to save money. they're going to increase the debt. In fact, So how are they going to do this? They're counting on stable coin hype. It's a complete scam. remember during the financial, you know, But, you know, in two thousand and eight, I always used to say every time if you ever see a central banker on sixty minutes, you know that, you know, we're probably sixty seconds away from complete

financial Armageddon. I mean, the whole point is to come out there. It's a con job. Ben Bernanke, every time he would talk, it was to lie to people and make them think using complicated language and things that they don't understand that things were safe. So what types of programmability on these stable coins is going to be the creepiest, the most tyrannical? Could there be social credit scores, climate change scores, possible tax records, student loan debt, credit card debt? What kind of stuff do you see coming and where is this going?

Yeah, I mean, ultimately, it's all of it. this is what I wrote about my book. I mean, Ultimately, this is a global thing. This is a technocracy is a global thing. So ultimately, it's a single digital currency backed by energy credits tied into an surveillance, you know, social credit system, global. That's the that's the end game. But they'll do it in pieces just as they have been doing it in pieces. We had no financial surveillance prior to nineteen seventy. And now we have all kinds of The IRS using AI to analyze financial surveillance. your bank account, NSA bulk data collection, these suspicious activity reports where you do ten thousand dollars in a transaction,

a report automatically goes to the Treasury. And then just a couple of months ago, the Treasury Department said, well, we want to crack down on illegal immigration. So we're going to drop that from ten thousand dollars to two hundred dollars in these thirty zip codes. They can already do that now. They don't even need programmable digital money to add more financial surveillance they can do it with a memo they don't even need congress they can actually do it by um through a memo through a federal department the money's already programmable health savings accounts food stamps so when kennedy says we're gonna stop people from being able to use food stamps to buy sugary drinks

that's programmable digital money issued at the state level through a bank we already have that You know, it's the hard part is explaining to people. The reason that I did the part of my presentation, and I don't know if you saw it, but I was this viral tweet that I had where I said, I think Americans are the most brainwashed people. And it tied into the Mike Adams part because China is ahead of the U.S. in sixty out of sixty five categories on tech. If you ask the average American, they would have no idea. If I told most people, even probably in our community, that China has better electric cars than the United States,

people would be in disbelief. Same with robotics, quantum computing, and everything else. Absolute disbelief. Wouldn't believe it at all. I argued with somebody today, and again, I said, my theory is that all Elon Musk is doing is ripping off China. And since nobody knows anything about China, people think that he's created all this stuff, right? X is going to be the everything app. Well, WeChat was that first. He said he was going to model it off of WeChat. It turns out reusable rockets, Neuralink, electric car, all of these technologies, they're predecessors in China. And now China's actually leading on the execution. So anyway, I think it's important to

We are so disconnected from reality and so propagandized here that if we don't wake up to this, it's problematic. And now it's carrying over. Now we're somehow turning these stable coins. Now we're making surveillance, digital currency, and surveillance tokenized stocks and bonds some point of American exceptionalism. There's nothing to do with American exceptionalism. It has to do with they need control. They know a collapse is coming. So they're trying to tighten the reins as much as they possibly can. And Ian, Roger, Roman, Samurai Wallet guys are a threat to that. They need to keep the propaganda show going. The frustrating part to me about all of it,

and I've said this several times, is we know that Bitcoin was hijacked. We know how it was hijacked. But can we prevent it again? Have we figured out how to learn from that? Because how many times now do we sit around and it's like, oh, well, there's going to be a false flag and they're going to do this and this. And then inevitably there is a false flag. But you know what? They do the false flag and the false flag still works. We're almost at the point where people are so programmed that, I mean, this is where they're blatant about it. They don't even bother to hide it. When I wrote my book, people are like, these must be conspiracy theories. All of the sources in my book,

they're the primary source. I just quote the WEF. I quote the head of the Bank of International Settlements. I quote these people directly. They have video clips. They don't even care. It's like what Mark Passio said. Mark Passio is kind of like a lot of the stuff that's going on is a humiliation ritual because they know we can't stop it. So they're just literally rubbing it in our face because they think that we're too stupid to do anything about it. And to a certain degree, that's been true, right? That has been true to date. They're going to fall for it again. How many of these people do we have? Following like they're falling, falling for it again and again and again.

Now it's like now Trump's trying to say, well, you know, the Dems planted my name in the Epstein files after after trying to deflect and say, well, nobody's interested in that anymore. We should move on. I think if you had Trump on video. they'd claim raping a child. They'd say, well, it's just five D checks. He was just doing this so he could catch Epstein or something. And we're actually to the point where people have outsourced their agency to these white Knights and gotten rug pulled so many times that, you know, it's what's that statement. It's easier to fool someone than convince them they've been fooled. I don't think people want to admit that they,

that they've voluntarily signed up for multiple rug pulls in a row. There's got to be some five D explanation. I couldn't have been a retard eight times in a row. It has to be five D chest. That's an easier explanation. It's amazing. It's amazing. The amount of viciousness coming out from the DOJ towards Ross Ulbricht, two life sentences plus forty years. Roger Veer facing one hundred and nine years. Ninety six of those years are for mail fraud. because he used the U.S. Post Service to mail it in. That's a direct violation of the Eighth Amendment, cruel and unusual punishments. And even the Julian Assange case,

he's still waiting for a pardon. He had to basically admit that the First Amendment doesn't exist in the Espionage Act, which is a direct... So... We're living in this world right now where the feds and the DOJ are just doing whatever they want. They seem to be hunting the crypto guys the most, the freedom leaders. And I'm hoping that there's more mass adoption with the Zano program and this confidential layer. This might be a real game changer. And the more people involved, the more attention

comes this way, maybe we can turn the tide on this a little bit. I think we can. This is why what I'm doing has three different components to it, because they're all necessary. Because there's one part of it would be like, well, you know, I could just spend all my time building things on Zeno. But I know that that's part of the issue. We need to build these things. But at the same time, people don't understand the threat. Oh, why would I need privacy? Well, if you understood what was actually going on, then yeah, you would be focusing on this. But then also teaching people that they have free will, that they're not exercising and to kind of unplug. That's a big one.

Because if people aren't doing that, then kind of all of this is a lost cause. these things at the same time, So we have to do all of which is unfortunate because we're out-resourced. These people are stealing our money and using it against us. But yeah, it is possible. And again, we just have to be smart about what we build and make it easy to use, right? Part of it is crypto doesn't, crypto used to be better than traditional finance. Like the Bitcoin in twenty twelve was better than what the traditional financial system had. But then they developed Google Pay and Apple Pay and Venmo and all these other things. And then Bitcoin got hijacked. And then all of a sudden the stuff is actually

not easier to use and it's more expensive and it's slow. If we don't actually compete on the merits, then we're going to have a hard time, but we can compete on the merits. It is possible to build user interfaces that, that are, that are good. There's some technical things in privacy, you know, in terms of how long it takes to confirm a transaction. Some other things that I know Zeno is working on some really cutting edge stuff that I'm not going to talk about here, but at some point maybe, you know, I'll bring in Andre to talk about. But I know that the roadmap for Zeno is going to be one where you're going to be able to use privacy coins and privacy tokens. And it will be, you know,

nearly instant and cheap. It'll be, you know, kind of originally what people thought Bitcoin was like, which is good because it has to be. Right. Because stable coin, you know, the alternative systems are going to be they're going to be very user friendly. Like what we don't have is the ability to say, well, people don't want to use crypto. There's twenty seven trillion dollars worth of stable coin transactions last year. It's going to be one hundred and twenty trillion in twenty thirty more than MasterCard, Visa and direct deposit combined. So you can't make the argument that, well, there's just no adoption for crypto. some of it's regulatory, a lot of it's propaganda,

but some of it is products haven't been easy to use. And that's what drove me, drew me to Zeno is just, Just a year ago, being able to use the mobile wallet, I remember you and I did a little test where we swapped a free Ross token for a free Assange token, right? Right from within the wallet. And I'm like, you might be listening to this thinking, well, that's odd. What's the big deal about that? But for me, the eureka moment was that we could have been trading anything. We could have been trading two goats for one cow. We could have been trading a house for a condo. We could have been trading whatever it was, and there were no third parties involved, and no one can see what our

transactions are. And so that to me was, okay, this is really cool. I've been looking for something like that for a long time in the tokenization space. And then all of the other things that have been layered on. This is why, again, I'm going to do this incubator concept and it's going to be related to the book, but I just want to educate people on all the things you can do with tokenization. I can't build them all. I don't even care if I build any of them, but some of them have to be built. If we're going to not get crushed by what's going on with the, the technocracy and people don't understand, you know, what's going on with Teal and, and Musk and all of this other stuff.

I, they, they view it as, as these are just smart guys that, you know, if you've created, they don't understand the ideology behind it. And it's, that's, that's a challenge, which you and I have discussed. But, you know, again, the last ninety days for Zeno, think about it relative to any other crypto project. So marketplaces and point of sale systems and privacy stable coins and now and now confidential layer. I mean, clearly there's an ecosystem and momentum and something that people can rally around, around like OGs and which people are rallying agorists and ANCAPs and everything else that have been kind of. I don't know, losing faith or disaffected

by the fact that they've seen so many people sell out, I think people are really gravitating now towards Zeno. And that's a great thing as well. Yeah, very exciting times. And there's so much more in the pipeline. Very hopeful. I chose to dedicate my time into this because I can't work in things that I don't have passion for. And yeah, I think Sano, you know, regardless of the speculation of that, I think just as a tool, yeah, there is great potential there, you know, just because, you know, I'm from Argentina, I'm seeing what collapsing governments do, try to do to stay in power.

So, so yeah, I mean, I think these tools are extremely important. I got to jump off, but we will absolutely jump on some other day to talk more about Confidential Layer and showcase it and answer all the questions. All right, very good. Well, thank you for coming on and thank you for putting the video together on such short notice. All right. Take care, guys. Have a good night. Bye. All right, there we go. I'm still hoping IM for IM pops back on. I haven't talked to this guy in months. He went dark.

But he's a great guy, agorist, part of the World Blockchain Roundtable. He's been on here several times. In fact, when I broke the fast, he was on, hoping he pops in here. Anyway, so, yes, I was talking a bit about the electrical grid. People really need to look into China. I am going to start doing more of the brainwashing thing. And I'm not saying it to piss people off. I'm saying it because we're literally disconnected from reality. Like, we bought the stuff. Like, we're sitting here pointing at how bad these other guys are, not realizing we're worse.

The China stuff is just... Just go to YouTube, type in China electric vehicles, China robots, China AI, and watch the stuff. And it was Red Note was the name when I did the Adams interview. I can't remember, was TikTok actually down or was it they threatened to shut it off? ever actually shut. I can't remember if it was I think it was shut off for a very short period of time, maybe. I don't know my recollection. is hazy, but then they, they, they had this thing red note, which is, has been going on for a while in China. And then people got to see it and people were logging on and kids were logging on and they were seeing like these big cities and, um, not only cities,

but they're just seeing like different, life of a kid there. like here's a day in the And they're showing all of these technologies and everything else. And they're like, wait a minute, I can't even get a job. I have thirty thousand dollars worth of school debt. Everybody's told me that these, you know, these Chinese are, you know, poor communists, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, living in dirt. And it's like then they see the reality of it. some of the stuff is pretty scary too about school I mean have you ever seen these videos where they show china they teach a different way of doing you know multiplication and everything else and it's much much faster they're completely different tools

and methodologies and so they'll show some of this and they'll show kids doing these math problems like instantaneously and you watch more or less it it's like I saw a part of one today where they're they're using like some kind of a headband that monitors the mood level of the kids. And they're doing all kinds of other, other really weird stuff. I don't know if it's some of it's, I don't know if it's good or bad, but it's, it's definitely not, you know, teaching people about seventy three different genders and trying to get them to cut off their genitals and so on and so forth. What we have here. And so I'm going to, I'm going to put together more of those clips.

just to try to wake people up. Um, because the problem is, is so long as we're ignorant, people are buying the hype. They'll buy the golden age. They'll buy the, like, again, I was just outright angry last week watching the house floor. I didn't, I used to watch C-SPAN all the time. I stopped years ago, but I was watching it again. I'm like, Oh my God, these concepts, these things that they're saying are just completely wrong. Do they know that it's wrong? And is it just propaganda or are they, are they're ignorant? Yeah. And either way is not acceptable if these are the ones passing the laws, right? Some of these are the senior ranking people making statements that are just false.

So I don't know. I don't know. But if you believe that, if you believe we're the greatest nation in the world and all these laws, I went to the AI directive or whatever it is, plan. And that's why it was so interesting talking to Mike Adams, not only during the thing, but I've been talking to him afterwards. And it's like, we can't win the AI war. We can't win getting to artificial general intelligence first, simply on the basis of the electrical grid. It's going to require an estimated one thousand times more the energy output that we currently have from our

data centers in order to reach AGI. A thousand times the current energy usage of data centers. China already has that capacity. It would take us five to ten years to get to that. By that time, there's already AGI. If you believe AGI is important or possible, I mean, there's obviously some preconditions to this argument, but If you hear Trump speak, everything that they say is, well, we're going to maintain our lead in. We're going to have the lead. We're already losing. And then the things that you're proposing, so they're out there pitching, we're going to protect our lead and lying about the

truth of the actual situation. And then what they're proposing is... Something that won't get the job done anyway. But I think electricity prices are going to absolutely skyrocket based on this. I mean, Chris Martinson, his whole thing is about peak energy and peak oil and all that other stuff. And so, I mean, he held those views kind of pre- pre-data centers, pre-Bitcoin. I don't necessarily agree with the peak oil thing. I mean, I think that if you didn't have regulation, what we don't know, we don't know. I mean, we could out-innovate. So I don't think that it's necessary. But if you maintain the

regulatory environment that we have, then yeah, there is no way. Then we do have, we have manufactured scarcity. There's a difference between scarcity and manufactured scarcity. And if you limit human ingenuity and human imagination, then you truly have manufactured scarcity and you're not going to innovate your way out of it because you've shut off the ability to tap the unknown. But you throw on the data center stuff and... You can see it happening, right? Look at all the propaganda war posters. Or last week, I think I talked about the fact that Bernays used these Freudian techniques to get people to do

irrational things like support going into World War I. And then used it, then realized they could do it in peacetime to sell people things. That's how they got women to... buy cigarettes thinking that they were Liberty torches and that there was some big capitalism versus, you know, communism ideological thing. I realized they could use these kinds of, of manipulative techniques. So I can see the war posters now where it's like, Oh, it's patriotic to not use your air conditioner. It's patriotic to, as an individual yet now shut down your, you know, don't, don't water your lawn. Don't, don't run your air conditioner, right? There'll be a campaign, you know, in the summertime,

keep your house at eighty three in the wintertime. Keep your house at forty. Buy a big jacket. Buy a wool blanket. Do it for the cause. Do it for the cause of making sure America can win in the race for AGI and AI supremacy. I can totally see that. I can see Trump selling that shit. In fact, I can not only see him selling that shit, I can see people buying it. In fact, I might actually do that. I might make some satirical posters of the kind of stupid shit I think that people would buy under this kind of electricity rationing to fuel these data centers. I think that might be a fun little creative project.

When I was in school in the nineties, they were teaching us about global warming. We'd all be underwater right now and fossil fuels will run out. And I don't believe that oil is a fossil fuel. I think it's an abundant resource. These windmills that they're putting all up and down the coast and in the Midwest are completely inefficient and just a money laundering scheme. And the things that were, I guess, like micro thorium nuclear reactors are and possibly natural gas generation stations most of these things are offline or

not being permitted to be built so that's probably most of the problem also as far as why we're so far behind as far as the energy generation going on right now in my opinion Yeah, and it was by design. It turns out that the Club of Rome pushed a lot of this stuff, and Passio talks about that as well, that they actually tried to recruit him. But if you look at it, there were some passages. I think I played it in a video clip. There was this movie with... Catherine Austin Fitz and a whole bunch of other people that were talking about technocracy. But the Club of Rome manufactured climate hysteria. They knew that they needed

something to get people to accept moving towards a globally managed economy with an energy credit system. So they manufactured climate hysteria. So all of these kids that are committing suicide, having anxiety, think that they're killing the planet, all of that was fucking made up. It wasn't they put out the science and they were wrong and they just, you know, I'm done with that. I mean, as you know, I've done this on nutrition. And so, I mean, AI is good for research. It's really good for research. You still have to validate what it comes back with. But man, what I keep on finding is that I've rarely found a situation where

People were trying to do the right thing, and this is just the best science that was available at the time, and that's why it happened. It's generally almost always malicious. There was a particular motive behind it, and no one ever got punished. That is what you will find when you dig into these things, and that's what you find with the climate hysteria. So Al Gore was not a wealthy man. He's wealthy now. I don't know how much he's worth. hundred million plus ended up being on the board of Google, all this other stuff. He goes and, and what launched that he did his bullshit, um, climate hysteria movie which if you watch it now it all turned out to be fake every one of those points in

there was bullshit he's sitting there on a stage and he's talking about um uh you know all of the fear porn on a big screen behind him and polar bears and everything else none of it happened and he wasn't punished for it he made he made millions and millions of dollars to this day he's not punished for it People still believe it. People still believe the health stuff. People still believe red meat is bad for you, that saturated fat is the enemy. Do you know the story behind that? The story behind that is Eisenhower had a heart attack and people were all freaked out about it. And so this guy Ansel Keys came up with a story, manipulated some data,

and decided to go after the bacon and eggs for breakfast as being the cause of heart disease. Didn't have the data. He manipulated the data. to get there. There was no data that showed this. And yet this was in like in the nineteen sixties. People still believe this. People still believed something from the nineteen sixties when I was ten years old and went to a doctor who sent me to a nutritionist and said I had to have a fat free diet. People believed it then. People believe it now. People still push it. I was talking to somebody the other day. Why can't I get full fat yogurt? What is yogurt? Do you remember these things? I used to eat them because it was on my diet plan.

You don't have a Dan and yogurt with fruit at the bottom. What is this? It's not even fruit. Like corn syrup and maybe a small semblance of fruit. It's all sugar. And then some fat-free yogurt. It's just trash. All it does is spike your blood sugar. fruit in the bottom jesus christ I mean I just but again it hasn't stopped you can find if you look fat yogurt with full fat in it but you have to look it's still the same stuff so there's no self-correction With any of this. That's why it fails.

That's why it always fails. That's why all of these centralized systems fail. But it's been like that with climate. I'm sure we could go through and we could find out who's responsible for coming up with these various alarmist proclamations about something or other. And then we'll find they made a whole bunch of money and they were never punished. Every time. So... Why is... So... People believing in experts is the problem. This goes back to the reclaim the autonomy reboot, right? You have to stop believing in experts. So as long as we continue to believe in experts, I was at a thing just a couple of days ago. I'm realizing some people haven't talked to you for a long time.

I'm like, wow, how do you, how do you get through that? Cause the immediate, the immediate position is that you got to rely on some expert. And if these experts have been bad, then we've got to listen to this other set of experts. that were trained by the same people that the other experts were trained by. No actual discussion of whether this stuff makes sense. It's just this expert said it and this expert said it. I forget how popular Yuval Noah Harari was. When his book Sapiens came out, that was like a bestseller. People liked that. I remember people recommending me this book, unironically recommending me this book. Oh, you've got to read it. The game changer. And this guy ends up being

an influencer of billionaires. he's a useful idiot that they can I mean, use to basically rationalize what it is they were trying to do anyway. I mean, I don't think he necessarily influenced them. They just, oh, here's this little smart, nerdy looking guy. So he wrote this book. And then we got some other people in the media to write good reviews about it. And then a bunch of other people bought it that probably didn't read it. But now everybody's sitting around trying to act like they read the book so that they could be smart based on the fact that everybody said, if you didn't read this book, you're not smart. And then the globalists are using it to push... whatever it is that their

original agenda was, which is technocracy. And now we have Curtis Yarvin doing this on the right. And this just continues. So this is why if people don't reclaim their free will, then none of this matters. I mean, Right. the last thing that I would ever want to do is try to be an expert where it's like people are just listening to me. This is why a lot of people ask me for financial. I'm trying to figure out this works. I see comments are now come. Oh, I clicked on that. OK, hold on. Let me take that off. You can put comments now up on the screen. And I was trying to. Figure out how to comment to him, but. if we don't start taking But yeah, no,

responsibility for our own decisions, then there's no point. I don't like these people talk about five G warfare, whatever the hell it is, fifth generation warfare. And it's all the battleground of information and everything else. And it's just like, yeah, now if you're trying to program somebody, you're part of the problem. You should be teaching right. people that they've been programmed to teach them how to, you know, program themselves or figure out how to control what information is coming in and not coming in. If you're, if you're there trying to nudge people with your own thing, then you haven't made anything better.

So it's interesting how some things change. Um, the Democrats were all on board with Tesla and Elon Musk. And then Musk became a Republican. And now all the Republicans like Tesla and Elon Musk and vice versa. Now the Democrats, the Republicans used to be the don't tread on me. We're going to fight back and get our rights back. Now Trump's in office. All those people are on the sideline because Trump has it under control. And now the Democrats are, or the anti-government party at the moment. The Dropkick Murphys had some concert the other night where they had all the Epstein stuff with Trump on there and everything else.

It's pretty interesting now that the Democrats are calling for the Epstein list, even though they're going to be on it just as much as the Republicans. Yeah, because again, everybody's picking a side instead of making their own decision, like outsourcing. I made a meme, a bumper sticker that says, my candidate visited Epstein Island three times less than yours. That's what I'm predicting. So along with our poster project, our propaganda poster for why people are going to be willing to live in with the thermostat at in the summer and in the winter, we're going to do a bumper sticker, a demoralization bumper sticker political campaign.

Because you're right, they are flipping. And by the way, they'll flip instantly. I remember when Sean Hannity, who bashed green shit forever, went out and bought a Tesla. Well, what's he doing now? I don't ever watch him anymore for a long time. But anybody who's watching, has he sold his Tesla now? And now that Musk is doing his own thing. But the thing is, Musk's not that hard to figure out if you research it. Musk has always been for whoever's in power. Musk is pushing technocracy. It's very clear what he's doing. He was a Democrat when it was convenient, when he needed money for government contracts from Obama.

And when it looked like it was going to go the other way, all of a sudden it became a good, he'll sell it as, oh, well, you know, I didn't change, the Democrats changed. This is a story people like to tell themselves. that the Democrats changed. And I mean, I see a lot of people like not wanting to take responsibility for the fact that they bought into something that was bullshit for a really long time. If your viewpoint is that the Democrat party just turned bad with Biden's second term, are you kidding me? We're going to forget about the DNC and Bernie Sanders and all of the other stuff and Clinton. No, it just got bad.

There's a lot of cope, right? There's a lot of cope. People don't want to admit that, that any of this stuff, um, a lot of the stuff was always bullshit, but yeah, no, they'll flip flop on anything. Remember? Well, actually, I don't even know if it's actually true where the Democrats actually anti-war. I'm not even sure if that's true. Well, who was president during Vietnam? I mean, I look back at this. I mean, just there's a, where the Dem were Democrats actually anti-war ever. I think at the moment they're against the war in Gaza, but they're for the war in Ukraine, if I'm correct. So they're not really anti-war. They just have, you know, it's like moral relativism.

You don't know where they're going to stand on anything. It's the flavor of the month. Whatever the leader says is what everyone believes. And it switches depending on, you know, what week it is. So, um, maybe the cycles maybe go a little longer than that, a few months at a time. But, um, so, uh, that's what like Passio talks about all the time is, uh, that moral relativism, how, um, you know, um, that is pretty much one of the biggest problems going on, but that's, I guess that's a whole nother subject for some other time, I guess. Um, Yeah, well, I mean, it should be. I mean, again, I think I am going to do one of these. I am going to just lay out the whole why voting can't

work and just but go through like the process of it, of what you have to believe to believe you can vote your way out and just go through each of the different data points because then it all becomes about probability. So what is the probability that, you know, The population goes from failing civics and not understanding how government works to being informed to make an informed decision. What would be required to make that happen? What would be required to fix the parties so that you actually have candidates that are different than one another as opposed to pre-selected candidates that are, upon examination, exactly the same? What would be involved to

make it so that the elections themselves Regardless of whether you think the voting is rigged or not, you want to talk about propaganda. I mean, the get out the vote systems and AI and all of the data and targeting for get out the vote, which is controlled by the parties using big data systems, that influences the election in a big way. So once you get back through and you look at all of this, gerrymandering and everything else, There's no way you can fix it. And there's no way you can fix it in your own lifetime. And there is no... This is why it's kind of like the people that are like... We were talking about earlier. It's like, you know... Are some of these Liberty people plants?

Is this real? You know, audit the Fed? Is this just designed to get people to continue to believe in voting? Because there's no way. Show me a plan... What would be required to get enough people to vote to end the Fed? How many votes would that take? How much money would that take, Because people go around and say, oh, well, realistically? you know, we've got Massey, we've got Rand Paul. We used to have Amash. Oh, we're close. Three out of five hundred and thirty five. In thirteen years. If Massey wasn't there, I think a lot of people would finally give up hope on the whole system of voting. That I don't feel works whatsoever. But that being said,

you would think that the whole Congress should be like Massey. Seems like he's constitutional. But he's the only one. Out of how many? Four hundred and sixty seven or whatever. Well, four hundred thirty five in the House and another hundred in the Senate. And yeah, so so it's you know, again, he's the only principled guy. But at the same point, is it is it counterproductive? I've been arguing for years that it's counterproductive. And since Ron Paul wrote and the Fed, how much? But we printed more money since Ron Paul wrote and the Fed than the entire history of the country beforehand. I think we had something

like seventeen trillion dollars in debt when he wrote that book. We've more than doubled the national debt. You know what I mean? Like I'm just saying. And that's fine. I mean, you know, maybe it was well-intentioned at the time, but was there a genuine thought? And by the way, let's think about it. They're going to primary. They're going to try to primary Massey. So, I mean, if we're talking about if there is their momentum... I wouldn't say he's getting more powerful. Now, of course, then there's the, you know, what if he becomes the presidential candidate for the America's party, which would be the ultimate rug pull because in essence, then he would become the front man for technocracy.

And I could see that. I could see that being pulled off. I could see people buying that. Well, I've never heard that one before. That's interesting. Yeah, I definitely, I definitely could see that. I could see that potentially happening, but then you'd have to have Massey versus, you know, JD Vance. So you've got your two, obviously Massey's a technocrat, but, um, but you know, if the technocrats controlled Congress, I don't know. I don't know. It's hard to say. I mean, Massey's also a science guy. He's an MIT guy. Maybe he could be persuaded. Um, It's hard to say,

but then on the other hand, it's like they convince people that the guy that added seven point eight trillion dollars to the debt in one term and was the godfather of Operation Warp Speed was was the only white knight that could save American civil, the Western civilization. People believe that. If they're going to believe that, like you don't even need you even need to make a rational argument, that's idiotic to believe that. Yeah, it's pretty bad what's going on right now because not only is everything speeding up in the wrong direction, but there's no resistance in any which way because everyone thinks it's going in the right direction.

So that's what I see going on. I don't think there's any political solution to any of this in any which way. Um, but, um, I do think, um, creating new systems, exiting, um, like exit the medical system. Is there any reason to go to your doctor? Uh, would you really want to send your kids to government schools? I mean, um, there's really not any value in any of this stuff. I think the dollar's collapsing. We're heading into a lot of new stuff and, um, the confidential layer is terrific. I think that's one of the best things, uh, going forward into, um, this new build that we got going on. Yeah, no, I think it's great.

We need confidential, we need to apply it to the education system. We need to privatize, privatize public education, convert your public education into private education with confidentiality. um no it's exciting now here's the question do you think these bitcoin maxis are even going to use it or are they going to say oh why I'm not going to even spend my bitcoin even even privately I I think you'll get some of them um but I think um some of them um if uh It looks like it's a great technology, and I'm hoping it catches on more, but I think a lot of the Bitcoin crowd,

it's sacrilegious to spend your Bitcoin. And the whole point of Bitcoin in the beginning was to be an attack at the Federal Reserve, the central banks, after what they did with the Troubled Asset Relief Program in two thousand eight. And now it went from that Occupy Wall Street to, you know, let's combine forces with the government in Wall Street and let's not compete with the central banks at all. Yeah. You know, so. Yeah, so I understand what you mean by this Bitcoin maxis, and I guess you're saying a lot of those maxis were created after twenty seventeen.

But the privatized coins are the best, you know, the Xano coins. is the best thing I've seen in a long time going forward. Looking forward to see all the point of sale systems coming up whenever that gets going. But do you think that's ever going to really take up? Is that ever going to, is the technology ever going to be easy enough? Like as Ernest Hancock said, grandma easy button. So the vendors can just use it. Yes, it is. Because it can be. There's no technical barrier to it. It's just been a lack of emphasis. And so this is why when I put together this incubator, I've got to decide how to

prioritize these things. But it's critical that we do have a point of sale system. And again, part of it is you just have to be willing to do it as an open source project and not as a corporation, right? I mean, this is where this all gets... gets tricky or it's like, yeah, there's no fees. It's just open source software. It's a plugin or no fees. And I think people, I know there are a lot of people in the Dano ecosystem that will do things like that because it's necessary to have freedom. And that's a requirement. There are not a lot of other people that will do that. I mean, you have to be really committed to to freedom and also understand the threat to be willing to invest in some

of these things. And there are people that will do that. And maybe there are other ways to monetize it. But once you're taking a percentage of the transaction, you've got legal liability. Let me tell you, I want to say one thing, how stupid this is. So I'm not even sure. I heard last week, do you hear this, that we might have sold eighty percent of the Bitcoin strategic reserve? No, I didn't hear that, tell me more So I was actually at the, believe it or not, I was at the Coldplay concert with my kids, the infamous one where the guy was outed. So we were there while that was going on. That was a pretty interesting thing. But I'm like checking my phone and there's a tweet from Cynthia Loomis.

She's like, I'm dismayed to learn that, you know, the U.S. might have sold eighty percent of its Bitcoin strategic reserve. So they don't have two hundred thousand. Maybe they only have forty thousand. I retweeted this thing. I'm like, only the U.S. government could not be able to keep track of their own shit on a public ledger, right? I mean, how hard is this? This is probably the least difficult thing to do, and only they can not do that properly, right? Let's talk about, you know, did Roger classify his stuff properly when there were no tax rules eleven years ago? Let's bitch about that, and then The money, the Bitcoin that they stole,

they can't even keep track of on a public ledger. So now I'm looking this up That's great. because to see if this is actually the case. So then recent reports and rumors have sparked discussions on Grok, whether it sold eighty percent of its holdings. Freedom of information request revealed the U.S. Marshal Service, an agency over the DOJ, holds twenty nine thousand nine hundred and eighty eight. Bitcoin, leading to speculation the US government might have sold off eighty-five percent of its reserves. Cynthia Loomis expressed alarm over these reports calling a strategic blunder if true. However, the USMS says that it might not represent the entirety of

Other agencies such as the FBI, IRS, DEA, the government holdings. and Department of Justice who hold, seize Bitcoin might have a total of at least one hundred ninety eight thousand. So there's now confusion and long term And short of it is, they apparently don't seem to know. Well, the conclusion is they did not sell eighty percent. This is one group does have twenty eight thousand, but the other agencies likely hold more, likely hold more. The answer is we don't know how much fucking Bitcoin we have. We still don't know how much Bitcoin we have.

stole and actually not we I should say that terrorists u.s government stole um and and by the way I think that the policy that the trump administration came out with everybody was going to buy a whole bunch expecting that they were of bitcoin but it looks like instead of some big strategy to buy a bunch of bitcoin it was uh just to hold on to the bitcoin that we have And a lot of that strategic reserve is Ross Ulbricht's and Ian Freeman's money, I believe. Yeah. Yep. So I remember a lot of people celebrating that in the freedom community, but that doesn't seem like

anything other than really bad stuff to me. No, Ross might not be. Ross, in theory, could apply to get his Bitcoin back, but they might have sold it already. Yeah. might already be gone the fact that we don't even know we shouldn't be expanding the bitcoin strategic reserve the government can't figure out how much bitcoin it stole and can't keep track of it people don't know if they sold it or not right I mean the whole the whole idea is stupid I'm I'm just doing a search on this but I'm pretty sure when I read the digital asset strategy that, that they're now not saying that they're now not, you know, on plan to buy however much a trillion dollars worth

that seems to be off the table now. So the strategic, it now seems to be, um, It's active. The Treasury is in the process of consolidating seized and forfeited Bitcoin through agencies, although no public ledger or detail audit has been released. Think about this. So they announced the Bitcoin Strategic Reserve. in whatever july of twenty twenty four at that bitcoin conference trump got elected signed the executive order like right right away and in six months they still haven't even fucking figured out how to consolidate the stolen civil asset forfeiture theft bitcoin well I need a little more

time to steal all the rest and then they can count it up Well, so, yeah, so no significant sales or liquidations have been reported. That doesn't mean they don't exist. The reserve's exact size and operational details remain partially opaque due to the decentralized nature of government holdings and limited public disclosure. The decentralized nature of public holdings. How decentralized could it be? different departments that You have four or five were involved in, like, how is this not known? decentralized nature you had the fbi the irs the doj and and like how is that decentralized like I think to call that decentralized

is is not a correct use of the word and now there's a so so um So the March executive order ensures that the seized Bitcoin transferred to Treasury, which hasn't happened, and restricts sales without congressional approval. There's no evidence of significant sell-offs. So anyway, it's all bullshit. They're not... Remember we were told they were going to issue some memo? First of all, I thought they only had ninety days or something after the when they did the And it doesn't seem like executive order. they hit that window or maybe they just did. There's no they're not buying anymore.

So I guess they'll still see. to steal some of Roger's I guess they're going to try Bitcoin and then maybe they'll steal. I don't know if Roman Storm has some Bitcoin. Maybe they'll maybe they'll see if they can steal some more of Ian's Bitcoin. So I guess their strategy is going to be to pull people over and steal their mobile wallets. That's probably going to be it. It doesn't look like they're going to flat out buy Bitcoin. I mean, just the whole strategy is... It goes to my point that I was making earlier. This is one Ponzi at a time. This is no one wants to buy our debt. So we'll take the hype of stable coins and we'll use that to get people to buy two trillion dollars worth of debt.

Then to pay off the thirty seven trillion dollars worth of debt, we're going to steal people's Bitcoin and we're going to hold it for twenty years and we're going to use that to pay off the national debt. This is like a meth addict, a meth gambling addict who's like six months into a binge. This is essentially the level of. financial strategy we have at this point this again this is about how desperate this is we're going to make it all back and like it so the financial system is horrible so is the government schools and so is the medical system but at least we have a really good judicial system here in this country you know

yeah exactly um that'll fix everything The rule of law, that's what's going to keep it all together. And the Congress will keep Yep. them all in check, too. Oh, yes. The checks and balances system is absolutely phenomenal. I think it's definitely a ten out of ten. I don't know. People still believe this, but I guess that's what they're indoctrinated with. We were indoctrinated with it. I mean, I guess you have to I don't know what it takes to wake people up. And I do feel that these algorithms are going to make it even harder. I think that, you know, again,

people feel like I've heard several times in the last few weeks, well, you know, now people are rationalizing, well, yeah, Trump didn't turn out to be what we thought, but at least he's buying us more time. okay, well, babies are still getting injected with the COVID vaccine. In what way have we bought time? We're even adding more to the debt. I can't even find a single thing that we've bought more time on. But people believe that, and so because they believe that, That delays action, and that makes it worse. That makes it harder to actually counter something. This Palantir, the surveillance aspect of

this with the digital ID, now that Congress controls these stable coins, they could do an emergency thing and say, well, if you issue a stable coin, it has to be programmable so that you can only buy products from this pedophile ring. or only byproducts of this type. They could do that literally by passing a law. Now that it's captive to Congress, this is how all financial surveillance, and again, but that's how easily it could happen in an emergency. And these people love buying into these emergencies. Especially this illegal immigrant thing is like, that's just a cash register, or that's just a cow they can milk over and over and over again. We need real ID to protect

from illegal immigrants. You know, I bet you if we put police checkpoints everywhere, in every town, on every highway, everywhere, we can stop it. You know, and then we can all be free. I don't... I just don't see anything other than just another dog and pony show to make a few people feel good about something, but it doesn't actually mean anything in reality. Um... And like, I, you know, that's pretty much like everything going on in the news and the government at this point. But anyway, it's,

it's fun to make fun of this stuff, but how do people wake up? it's a slow process of following I mean, the truth or I guess trying to search that in my, In my journey, I read Ron Paul's book, The Revolution, back in two thousand nine. And when I read that, I was like, wow, you know, that really connected a lot of dots and got me thinking about a lot of things. And then when I saw Mitt Romney run against Barack Obama, I had it at that point. I'm like, all right, this this is just a joke at this point. They're making fun of us. Yeah. So, well, I don't know. So it's a broader thing, right. Of, of what you're,

what people are being programmed by. It's not even just politics. Like, are you buying, you know, these social media algorithms? There's a, this is why I like fasting. I, I, you know, there's a, I don't know, a way to use three day fasting or something and get in a good group of people to do that so that when you're in that state, cause then you start questioning things. Um, because you inevitably have to question everything. It's not just question government. I mean, it's, it's medicine. Like, like people don't think to, I remember there was some chart about, um, I wish I could find that. Which professions do you have the most trust in? And like at the bottom was

like used car salesman and politician, but at the top was like nurse, um, These are the most trusted professions. In fact, let me see if I can find that. And it might have even been pre-COVID, but most trusted professions. But I look at it now and I'm like, if you're trusting any of these professions, you're going to have a problem. Here we go. Yeah, here it is. I was right. This is from Forbes. I wonder if Steve Forbes put this together. An infographic. Here we go. I even remember the percent. America's most and least Okay. trusted profession. Are you ready for this? You're going to love this. Let me hear it.

Eighty-two percent nurses. Seventy-one percent military officers. Sixty-six percent grade school teachers. Sixty-five percent medical doctors. Sixty-two percent pharmacists. Fifty six percent police officers. Forty three percent judges. And then we dropped clergy. Forty two percent bankers. Twenty five bankers and newspaper reporters. Twenty five percent local office holders. Twenty four percent TV reporters. Twenty three percent lawyers. Eighteen percent business executives. Sixteen percent lobbyists. Eight percent.

Eighty-two percent nurses. Military officers, number two. Wow. They were making all those TikTok videos a few years ago while everyone was dying in the hospitals. Yeah, that was great. But military officers, I'll tell you, that's a trustworthy bunch. I bet Passio would have something to say about this. Order followers. So I guess it seems like if I read this, the more of an order follower you are, the more trusted your profession is. Here's an update on this. Oh, this is a different one. Rating of selected U.S.

professions in terms of honesty and ethical standards. Well, without the order followers, the pedo politicians couldn't get anything done. Yeah, no, that's true. That's true. So it's nurses again, eighty four percent. Most trusted Congress, the least car salespeople tied at the lowest. I wonder if there's anything post-COVID with this. What is this? Oh, here we go. Here's another one from Ipsos. Number one in their survey, scientists. followed by doctors, teachers,

armed forces, police, and then ordinary people. So an ordinary person taps in at thirty seven percent. But if you're a scientist, you're rocking sixty nine percent. And most scientists, ninety percent or more are being paid from governments. And if they don't come up with the answers that they're supposed to come up with, they don't get paid. So I You can throw like ninety percent of them right out the window from the get go. They're not just doing, you know, whatever they're told to get paid. Scientists are probably the least people you're ever going to trust. Yeah, I mean, that's it.

scientists are complete order followers that have been indoctrinated and then they've been indoctrinated to think one way and then their whole thing is based on peer review. I had some interesting conversations about this recently as well. Somebody was asking about what changes would you make to health policy? I'm not going to answer this. I don't believe in centralized medicine. I'm not going to sit around and have a fucking conversation with you where you're going to take my thing and then twist it into something that it's not and then staple it to something else and then fail to put it in.

I don't even agree with the premise. But I was at the point where I'm like, so what if... if you're going to have something that's decentralized, where you have multiple different options, different options for everything, you have to have multiple including even some of the measurement systems. So we have these measurement systems that are based on these random clinical trials. And the random clinical trials are based on a worldview that the world is deterministic. Based on quantum physics, it's probabilistic, not deterministic. So the entire way we measure... So in other words, what I'm saying is, if you think the government should be involved... but you want to have a big

tent where people are pursuing different alternatives, but you're standardizing even the method of measurement itself, you've failed. So random clinical trials are one problem. Another problem is peer review. So, okay, so now you go through the school, you're indoctrinated into this particular discipline. Once you've gone through that, Your jobs are limited because it's a specialized thing. And in order for your research to get approved, your peers have to agree with it. Who, if you have something that's truly an innovation, you might be a threat to.

What a stupid idea. Why do we have peer-reviewed financial statements? Hey, how about that? That'd be a great way to do something. Let's do peer-reviewed voting. But seriously, people believe that this is a good idea. People believe that's a good idea. Random control trial. Gold standard science is not gold standard. None of this is a good idea. But those things aren't even up for question. We can't even question the fundamental things. You have to assume that those things are fixed. And then you have to have this least common denominator consensus where everybody gets together and it's basically on the basis of who can you offend the least

while retaining enough political capital to retain power? That's how decisions get made. This is not a workable system. And it's not a fixable system. But nevertheless... nurses at the top one and then and then doctors are at the top of this of this other one um when we talked about this before I wouldn't try actually to take my kids into for a doctor thing and um classic this is a classic situation we can't come in oh well our hospital was acquired by another hospital so you have to fill out all the fucking paperwork again eight pages on each kid All of it. They didn't retain any of the information. Fill out all the paperwork.

And then I'm sitting there. It's like, okay, I'm with my kids. My daughter's filling out one thing. And so I'm like, oh, I've got to grab this clipboard that's just sitting there. And this doctor comes out and says, oh, where's my clipboard? that has all my patient information on Oh, I'm like, it. I'm like holding onto her clipboard with all this HIPAA, you know, protected patient information on it, which I thought was also hilarious. Not that I was looking at it. I was just trying to find a clipboard. So fill out all these, all this paperwork and then go into the nurse. And then the nurse asks us a whole bunch of the same questions again, that were just on the papers that we just filled out.

So, ninety-five percent of the time, for the entirety of the visit, was filling out paperwork that we'd already filled out. But because the hospital bought the other hospital, I guess part of the terms of the deal were we're not going to take any of the information that we have on the patients and put it into our system. You're just going to have to go ahead and get all that information again. But that's always, this is why I don't even deal with it. I mean, they had to go to get something for a checkup for school or something, right? I'm sitting there and I'm, you know, I mean, go for that. I'm starting to get a little bit annoyed and I'm like, why does it, why does it do this?

Why are you, my, my kids are asking why, why is it like this? Like, yeah, right. Why are we filling out a piece of paper with check boxes? Like, why is, yeah. And so, I mean, I, I told her, uh, you know, I do my typical rant about the healthcare system, but oh my God, it is so bad. these are the most trusted professions. But this is the, So, so how did that happen? Police trusted professions. I mean, even according to these statistics, I mean, obviously you'd get different answers based on probably race and, and, and a variety of other things, but military officers, I mean, you know, so I don't know. I don't know where all this starts. I think some of this starts with, you know,

religion and obedience and, you know, worldview. You're a sinner and you're a piece of shit and all this other stuff. And so it starts out with that. And then you need to be obedient. you know, to all of these, to your elders and everything else. You're not supposed to question things. You know, you go through that for a couple of iterations and then you, where you're told you're supposed to believe in light. You're a bad person. You're supposed to believe in a white knight. You're supposed to obey authority. And then. Fifty years later, you're voting for Donald Trump a second time after Operation Warp Speed. We have to stop teaching this obedience to just blind obedience to authority.

This is, you know, okay, you're a kid and obviously you're trying to figure out, you don't know how anything works, but there's still a, the blind obedience thing is a disaster. Because once you instill that, I was talking to somebody about this, too. They used to paddle people. Did they paddle you in school? Was this a thing, part of punishment? I think that might have been a generation before me. I never got paddled. Did you? I never got paddled, but I'm pretty sure I remember that my elementary school had two different paddles. It was the vice principal's job to paddle people. I'm just remembering this now. One of the paddles had holes in it,

and the other one didn't. So when I was done doing my Ralph Bellamy socialist pledge of allegiance, if you didn't do that properly, the vice president, depending upon how severe your lack of obedience was, would hit you with a paddle, maybe with holes in it. This happened in public school. You know, and we're not brainwashed and we don't have propaganda. We're the freest country in the world. I mean, you know, they stopped. You know, the thing is, though, they figured out how they could stop. They don't do paddling. People say, oh, well, we don't do that anymore. We don't do corporal punishment. No, you give people meds. You give people meth.

You give children opioids. So which is actually worse, paddling someone or putting them on antidepressants? Yeah, I'd definitely rather be paddled. Exactly. But we're an enlightened society now because we don't paddle people. We give people a blue pill with an unpronounceable name. So now we're enlightened. I don't know. Apparently there was a shooting the other day. Was it Manhattan? And the guy was, I guess he had a lot of antitropic medicine in his system. But apparently every single serial killer, mass shooting,

these people are on these drugs. So a lot of times the initial headline comes out as, you know, it's the gun's fault. But then when you read a little deeper into it, there's always an antidepressant behind it. That's the healthcare industry. How many percentages of Americans right now are on this stuff? What other side effects is it doing to physical health as far as weight gain, other ailments that it brings on as far as even mental conditions? physical conditions. I've heard some reports that over fifty percent or more

in some areas where people are on these things. Yeah, no, it's really bad. You know, I might try to get on to the show. Laura Delano, who I know through the Brownstone Institute, she wrote this book, Unshrunk, the story of psychiatric But the whole book is treatment resistance. It was written based on her personal experience. I mean, she went to Harvard and grew up with a prestigious family but was put on these drugs and everything else, at an early age. And it took her like seven years or ten years or something to get off of them. And she's just had this whole revelation about this. She was on Tucker Carlson. And she wrote this book. And a whole variety of other things.

And she and her husband, who I know as well, they have a nonprofit and a community site to help people with this. And so it's horrendous. I've talked to many people that are in this field and I've actually studied this quite a bit. There's no evidence that any of this stuff works. Those random control trials that we were talking about. they do these in like short duration, like ninety days or whatever, six months. But if you actually were to do it over a long term, you actually end up worse than when you started on these things. This is another function of the way even the testing works. But no, this whole industry, I studied this in public health. The UN or the WHO decided

that depression was the number one global disease in like nineteen ninety nine. So then when they declared that. The amount of suicides and the amount of prescription drugs has just been an exponential growth curve where I mean, I half believe it's at some point it's like, you know, well, they'll argue, well, we just identified this big thing that people didn't know about. It's like maybe you created it. Because if you think about it, when you plant ideas, you can plant ideas. We've talked about this. If I'm sitting there watching TV in the morning or at night, and I'm in the alpha brainwave state, and you're suggesting to me, some big pharma ad comes on. It's like, do you have toe fungus?

Now, if you have toe fungus, you might have A, B, and C. You need... You need whatever this drug is, right? Well, you're not consciously filtering this out. Now you wake up the next day and all of a sudden you've got all this fear about this toe fungus and you think you need this pill. Well, I mean, they could be gaslighting us on a massive basis. These campaigns, let's do a ribbon. It's like, oh, God, everybody's got this problem. Everybody's, you know, people are so depressed and they're going to kill themselves and everything else. We've got to blunt this. But they create it. The public awareness campaign actually creates the problem. It doesn't identify people. that have the condition,

it creates the condition and then gives them something that actually exacerbates the problem. It does seem like a pretty good formula that they've figured out. And I do believe that they do that, create the problem and then create the solution. And public health is truly a death cult. The more you look into the history of it, I mean, there was one point where it was about sanitation. So public health had some good luck with sanitation, which is actually what's helped probably more than anything with life expectancy. But once the drugs, once actually, surprise, surprise, Rockefeller got involved and started funding it, it turned into a whole other thing.

And now it has nothing to do with health. So it has more to do with frankly, depopulation. It's a horrible thing. The whole field of psychology and psychiatry, all of it. And there were some... I wish I had kept this stuff because I've done a whole bunch of research on this. I've watched all these documentaries about... I think I saw somewhere that they're bringing this back, insane asylums. Right? I guess they canceled that for a while, but now they're bringing this back. And I'll tell you, the problem with this is that... I saw this one documentary about this scandal where I want to say it was somewhere near Houston, Texas, where it was just basically a bunch of shrinks.

You got paid based on the number of people that you institutionalized. So surprise, surprise, they had a system where they were completely fabricating stuff just to institutionalize these people and put them permanently in some cases in these asylums. I mean, this is where a lot of this stuff, and then when they're in the asylums, they do all kinds of experimentation on these people. And this has been going on for a long time. They've treated these institutionalized people as subhuman and as science experiments. So it takes a hell of a lot of brainwashing to convince somebody that somebody that gets into psychiatry is actually doing this to help people. You have to have bought a whole bunch.

Then there's the whole DSM-V or whatever they're up to right now. This is a thing where I wrote something on this. get together and decide It's a bunch of shrinks that what these diseases are. There aren't any markers for it. There aren't any tests for it. It's a committee that just says, this is what this disease is now. And lo and behold, the solution is you have to meet with a psychologist, but you have to meet at least six times or whatever it is. Right. But it's just kind of like same thing. We're going to make up a whole book of diseases that you can't measure. And then the solution is going to be you have to hire people in our profession and you have to

go to them a number of times minimum. Anyway, well, it's getting late. I see you're tired. I'm getting a little tired, too. I guess we've gone over four hours here. Well, it was good to have you on, and we covered a bit. Yeah, that was fun, man. Good night. A lot of good information. Oh, wait a minute. Hold on a second. Will.i.am. I am for I am. Will.i.am. Come back. Where is this guy? Come back. He was just... He just popped in. Oh, man. I've been trying to get a hold Seriously, of this guy for... Come back if you're listening to this. I saw you in there. I was hoping he was having a

technical issue, or maybe I didn't notice he was on. No, he probably would have. Let me see. Oh, here he is. Here he is. Look at this. Hello, gentlemen. Hello, how are you? Hey, good to see you, Dan. Amazing conversation tonight. Amazing listening to all of it. Can you hear me? Okay, let me turn off the thing. There we go. You can hear me? Yep, we can hear you fine. Well, we could hear you and then it cut out. So I don't know if you hit

accidentally hit mute or something. Cause there we go. Is that better? I hit the button. Okay. Um, no, I'm on my phone and not at my, uh, my desk, the office. Anyway. Um, great conversation tonight. Um, as always phenomenal. Um, I was on the world blockchain round table today for the first time in weeks to kind of step back into it. Um, But, yeah, I had a knock at my door. I think this is what you wanted to hear about, Aaron, right? Well, yeah, I was genuinely getting worried about you because you were gone for, it seemed like a couple of months. Yeah, yeah, it was definitely, it was a little over nine weeks ago I had a knock on the door and it was the feds.

And I was like, why me? But then again, we always joke about having you know, oh, I'm on a list somewhere, or we're all going to be on a list, or we're going, you know, I'm sure we're on a list, but it's not real until it's real. But I was sitting in my kitchen, and the doorbell rang. Walked up to the door, looked through the door, and see two gentlemen in their business casual dress, like, oh, they're probably here to sell me wow, solar or sell me Jesus or something. Anyway, my dogs are kind of thrown a fit, so I make sure the dogs don't go out, and I step outside, and they call me by my full name, so they knew me, who I was,

and I'm just an average guy. Yeah, I don't have a large following, but I am very vocal about my disapproval of our federal government and what they're doing, and I'm an agorist and don't believe in that there's a lot of good solutions for the corruption. So anyway, they had mentioned that they knew that I had had conversations with people in Moscow. this was years ago when I was Of course, working with a group on a project, and Ukraine, Hong Kong, Argentina. This is pre-Ukraine war. They also knew about the umbrella promise, which I haven't done anything about, but it's a blockchain-based solution.

um that would could eliminate campaign money but still it's constitutional but I don't believe that that's really a viable solution in that we can't fix washington so I never pursued I didn't even leave the website up it's been down but of course it was on my profile and um They just said, it's a kind of a temperature check, a casual conversation. And he was wanting to know, kept calling me an anarchist. And I said, well, I don't prefer that. I prefer the term, you know, agorist. I'm, I believe in the non-aggression principle. And I believe that, you know, we're, we're born with free and I believe in property rights,

but I am a nonviolent individual. And then inside I'm, I'm white as a ghost, but I'm also white. telling myself shut up shut up don't say anything don't say anything and um they just said no this is just a casual conversation as you know you live in a military city and um you've said some provocative things and because where you you know where you live and what you've said um we just wanted to make sure that you weren't being or involved with crypto and to affect that you're making payments to more subversives of that type thing.

So, um, wow. More, more subversives, but subversives meaning, meaning like, yeah. Over sort of the government. Are you going, trying to, you know, What are your intentions with taxation and theft? What are your intentions when you – well, as a matter of fact, they introduce themselves as – well, we're from the agency that you said shut it down, which was shut it down was a common phrase that Vivek would say on the campaign trail, remember, when he was talking about the FBI? It needs to be shut it down. Well, that's what I had said. And frequently online and that kind of thing.

So anyway, that's how they introduced themselves. And they say it was, it's, I think what law enforcement calls it a knock and talk temperature check. And well, anyway, after that, that, you know, I went back inside, they left and I, I just was so angry. I wanted to just shout from the rooftops. I wanted to call everybody that I knew and tell them what happened to me. And then I stepped back and said, well, no, I'm going to say something that I shouldn't say is going to get me into more trouble. And I started and I just kind of withdrew. I didn't want to. I started thinking about my family and most of my family are not quote unquote red pilled.

I'm the crazy grandpa because I am the individual who thinks in these terms and they have their own journeys and they are tied into different, you know, news outlets and haven't come to the same realizations that I have and felt like, you know, and then I started looking around and thinking about it while I have a brother and sister-in-law who retired military. I have, um, Son-in-law who's an officer in the in the armed services and probably up for a promotion? Hence maybe and why I got a knock on the door I have Other you know family members who work In the DoD

or work and contract work which requires a Certain level of you know clearance and So having those people around me, I started thinking, well, maybe that's what spurred the knock. And does it make it right? It just got me more and more angered. And I started thinking, I came to the conclusion that, you know, in North Korea, if you defect, they go after your family members. And I don't look at the flag and, you know, I don't want to stand up during the national anthem if I'm at an event or something. I don't want to put my hand on my heart and pledge

allegiance to the flag. It's not my flag anymore. This is not my country. This is not what I signed up for. And I don't know how we're going to change it. I don't know how we're going to get it back. When was how far back do we need to go? Nineteen thirteen pre nineteen thirteen pre, you know, Kennedy's assassination. I don't know. But I do know that this is not my country. And that anger and that loss that I had felt long ago just reared its ugly head again. And I thought, it's checkmate. It's checkmate because my family is a soft target. They suck off of the government tip. And who am I to interrupt their livelihoods or their

advancement in their careers And that also makes me a soft target, and I kind of felt like, checkmate. They got me. I'm going to shut up. I'm not going to say much. I'm not going to do much. I'm not going to say anything. I'm not going to, you know. But it just goes to show you that they know, and I'm not a person of great means or, you know, I'm retired. I retired early. I live a comfortable life, but it's not. not anything extravagant by no means. And by the way, talking about the DSM, that kind of thing brings me back to the point of my wife. You know, my wife is not, doesn't share these same feelings. She's a mental health clinician and she was in Iraq and spent,

you know, tours over there as a combat medic and didn't come back the same with PTSD. And later now, you know, cancer and that battle last year. And the VA is like, Oh yeah, you served in Iraq. No question asked. Here's your full, here's your full disability. You know? Yeah. Your cancer was probably related to the burn pits and in Iraq or whatever. No questions asked. And yeah, so damn right. I'm pissed at the government and I'm, I'm, how it's wrecked lives and family and murdered and killed people around the world. And, um, so I felt like, you know,

better just shut up and step out of the way and let the chips fall and protect my family and my wife's side of the family. I'm kind of the patriarch of the family. And, um, I felt like it, who's, who's it, you know, They have their own journeys to go through and their own decision points and their trust level in their government. And it's not for me to force that upon them or short circuit their careers, even though I don't agree with it. It's not for me to interrupt their lives or have an impact on my

granddaughter's life and her future. Yeah, I was a soft target, as was my family. It's an easy way to shut me up. I just thought, you know. So that's how it went down, Aaron. That's essentially what I was telling the folks on World Blockchain Roundtable today. But they mentioned crypto, by the way, too. And shortly after that, I did receive a letter from the IRS. I don't know if that's related or not. But There you have it. Really? Yeah, there you have it. So Lisa on the World Blockchain Roundtable,

she mentioned it after the show. She said, right, you know, you're probably sitting there thinking, and who do I go to? Are the courts, you know, look at, look at, look at Bumstorm, look at Veer, look at, look at all of them. Look at, you know, Ian Freeman. They're all it's an unfair court. Who you go to? You're guilty as charged until proven innocent. It's supposed to be the other way around. There is no law. And I'm such a small fry, but I think after the words and after I thought about it, it's just my family members that are involved in the military at different levels or

through contract work that they probably had to follow up, you know, Oh, wow. So it's like, I'm, I'm tainted now. I don't even want to, I don't want to even be around family because I feel like maybe I'm, you know, I don't want to, I'm damaged. Good. Shall we say for, because I've spoken up or said something in a tweet, you know, an ex post or, or what have you. So, And it's not even very much. I don't even have that large of a following. I've just, I've never been a social media person. So I think, I think that's what it was. I think it's just cause my family members and I live in a military city with an

air force base or an army base. And then it's actually San Antonio, Texas. We have two air force bases. and um and practically in the flight path of one of them and um so there it is aaron that's that's why I went kind of dark and and still feel that even having this conversation like I did with water pot train roundtable today is probably still not the right thing to do um for my family you know And at least I'm not angered by it as much so I can talk

rationally about it. Yeah, I mean, that's a tough one because, I mean, again, they win. This is the... The issue that I have with the Roger situation is that they wanted to have a chilling effect. And that is what they're trying to accomplish. They don't want people discussing the truth. And ironically, in all of these cases, it's actually promoting actual American values. Ian and Roger and Roman, these weren't people doing things that were actually even illegal. There are things that should have been deemed patriotic,

and so the reason that they were targeted is because they were successful at it, and they wanted to have a chilling effect, which is why, to me, it's extra important to make sure. Yeah. You know, I walk my dogs, and I got a nice area I can walk on trails and I walk my dogs in the morning and, you know, the flowers and the birds and the deer and everything else. And it's just like so stale to me now. It doesn't, you know, the beauty of nature doesn't move me at all. I tried to stop even watching news or anything just to try to reground myself and, you know, listen to music, you know,

instrumental music without lyrics. It doesn't reach my heart or my soul. I don't know. I don't know. I think it's just a form of depression. Again, but that's something that I can't have a conversation with my wife. She's just not there yet. She still trusts her government to a degree or doesn't want to accept it. And being a mental health clinician and DSM and all that, I know this very well. And by the way, gentlemen, yes, I grew up in a time when... In elementary and middle school, there was a paddle with holes in it hanging up next to the blackboard. Yeah, no, me too.

I was recollecting that. And again, that's one of those things where you think about it and it's like, wow, okay, this is... Well, it's funny. One of the main themes tonight was the most viral tweet I've ever had. Americans are the most brainwashed people on the planet. And I think that it's true. And the question is, how do we get people... And I don't have the answer for this. How do we get people to... to wake up to this because it's so... And I measure it as we're the most delusional about the delta between what we think we are versus what we actually are. That's greater than, I think, any nation on earth. Somebody will say to me, well,

Canada is the worst. They're the most brainwashed, but they're not. Canadians don't think that they're the moral force and the police force for the world or any of these other things. like we really believe these things that when you examine them they're factually untrue and I and I think and it and it is I'll tell you it's the last because it's been a few months but the last few months as I've done some traveling that I didn't think I was going to do but as I've been talking to people I'm like yeah this is a pretty difficult problem because um the brainwashing is bad and the people in charge politically and even the technocrats kind of pushing the strings they know we're

at the end game so they're actually using propaganda to to get people to rally around the idea that we're protecting and saving something that's great when in reality they know the things about the collapse and they're putting in surveillance to handle the fallout and that's what's um But it's hard to overcome. The Genius Act, people say to me, well, why didn't you testify or anything else? Because they're not interested in any of the factual information about this. I mean, these people are pushing somebody else's agenda. They don't even understand it. But when you get this many layers removed, the part where I spent I don't know if you heard three or four hours doing

an interview back and forth for a somewhat mainstream publication. It's more kind of tabloid. It's not like a financial press, but it will reach a lot of people. And it was just four hours to go through to try to clarify everything. You know, like Lutnik's role in. Right. And and what what all that means. And I'm sitting here saying, and as you know, I've been actually saying this since the beginning of the year. How is this not the big short two point? Oh, how is this not a bigger scandal than anything under Clinton or Bush or Obama or Biden? This idea that the guy is. you know investing in a company and you know saying he's going to back these stable coins and then putting himself in a

position where he's trying to become the treasury secretary it's the it's right it's insane yeah it is but going through this conversation for four hours I don't know I don't even know if the article will pass legal muster I mean we've got we've been going through this and like wordsmithing these points because I'm like no I can't leave that out if you you I understand that it can't be like, you know, a five thousand word essay. But if you leave out the essence of the point, which is that essentially this is a digital dollar and they're really popular. And so they're going to pass back to our legislation that benefits the commerce secretary's firm. Basically control all of the Right.

assets backing the digital dollar and he will make a profit off of it. All of it. That is ridiculous. And right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and then his role in Tether is a giant red flag right there, too. So I've been thinking about this to your point about, well, so people aren't at the same point along the journey. And I've had other conversations with people about this where it's like, well, people will get there when But wait a minute. they get there. So if we're all being programmed, No, they won't. if we're basically just, we have all these external sources trying to program us, then the idea that people are going to realize this and kind of

uninstall the viruses themselves doesn't make sense because it's not like they're in a position of status. They're being actively bombarded with propaganda and control from multiple third parties. So being passive about it isn't really a workable strategy. I think the issue is that the whole point is to try to help people reclaim their free will. So you don't want to change... necessarily what they think or how they would ultimately choose to exercise their free will. But to make them aware that they have free will and that they've essentially given it up, that requires to me almost more, I'm increasingly of the opinion, more shock therapy. then I would have liked right you you would like

that people would stumble into it but that's actually unreasonable when you consider um what's going on and this even relates to this idea of you know bitcoin was hijacked and we know how but knowing how doesn't necessarily give us the ability to prevent it from happening again the same thing right again so or maybe they've already thought through another technique you know you just don't know but um No, it's called political awareness. And Scott Adams did a thing about it, five levels of political awareness. It really essentially comes down to where do you get your information and the Gauman effect as well. But You know, in my family,

I can I can point to, you know, one who certainly leans left and an academic. And, you know, I think his only plug in is to NPR and whatever NPR says, it's it's true. And the other side of it is I got another family member who is just solidly plugged into Fox News and really rarely branches out from beyond that. And everything Fox says is true. So, you know, the two of them are at the you would you others would say they're at the exact opposite when, in fact, they're still getting the same information. just it's spun a little You know, differently and they're being controlled. It's a mind game. And they don't know it. They're being brainwashed, essentially.

It's like MKUltra through the airways or through their phone. And they don't need to use any kind of drugs or maybe it's a blue screen helps, but they don't need drugs. They can control and manipulate the population and the masses that way. That's really what it comes down to. And it's levels of political awareness. It's where you're at on your journey by how much information you get. We all started at level one, you know. And some of us went beyond that. We're all in our different journey. It doesn't mean that one individual versus another has a greater intellect or can reason better than the

other or can see patterns better than the other. It's at what priority do they want to dig deeper into a particular story or have the time to. And many don't have that luxury of time. They're busy chasing the dollar to put food on the table and keep a roof over their head. But I think that's what it really comes down to. And there are individuals that will never be able to adopt and understand the new technology. ways of thinking, or they don't look at the out, you know, at the U S from the outside in, because they think, like you said, Aaron,

they believe that we are the best country. We are the most sound morally, you know, in the high ground. Um, but other countries around the world certainly don't feel that way. Even some that we would call our allies or, you know, uh, uh, But we think that, or many Americans feel that way. A, because they don't travel abroad. B, they don't get information outside of their own plug-in sources or from external sources outside of the country. So they don't search that out. And so in a sense, yes,

there's no hope that we're going to be able to change this. In one respect, unless it all comes crashing down for one reason or another, a solar CME, or if it's a financial crash, but then what does that vacuum bring? Well, again, I don't think that there's no hope. I think there is hope. This is why, again, I'm pushing these things in these three buckets. Educating people about technocracy, which almost no one understands. Because, again, technocracy is not taught in any class. It's probably not in any Even in college, it's probably not even discussed. So where are you going to

find out about this information? There are very few sources. I'm actually glad I'm going to be doing a... It might turn out to be a monthly roundtable with Patrick Wood and some others on this. But the whole point is... I think if the more people, you know, again, we have adoption curves and everything else. There's no expectation that anything hits mass adoption right away. But, you know, the truth is this country was able to be founded, which was a long shot. Think about the long shot that this country is taking. It was a five-thousand-year leap. It is not impossible, but it's also not something that's going to happen. I heard G. Edward Griffin say that it was really more

half of a percent that influenced one percent that influenced three percent. Some people say it was three percent, but he's like it actually worked in a slightly different way. And he actually has a little book that he's written called crossing the cat or something about the chasm, which is, uh, there's another business book called crossing the chasm that actually talks about adoption curves. I think it's the same concept. In fact, I'm, I'm sure it stems. I think I remember you talking about that before and you showed that chart, uh, from early adapters and, and, uh, etc. But I thought it was interesting that G. Edward Griffin has also made that same analogy. So it is possible,

but it's the part that I, again, that worries me is that technocracy really is the end of free will. So then it becomes, then nobody has a journey. Once you get to that point, then it ceases to be ceases to be free will so um so it's kind of a educate people on technocracy help people to unplug and I was actually I was actually to see if you wanted to going to reach out to you participate in the thing to to help try to drive that along because if yeah I I actually when I wasn't I was trying to avoid watching the news so I was diving into the theory of post labor economics,

where we're not transferring our time or labor for wages anymore. You know, as AI and automation progresses, we will have fewer and fewer jobs. It's not that new jobs, new careers won't be created, they just aren't being created fast enough for especially the white, middle white, white collar jobs are being displaced. at a rapid pace. And so I was looking at post-labor economy. There's a gentleman who really seems to be at the forefront on this theory and this idea. And he talks about, you know, technocracy. And his name is David Shapiro. And I encourage you to look at his channel. He's got just like an eight-minute video on what

post-labor economics is. But he did a, I think it's a five-part lecture series about, the idea that we are at the cusp of maybe, you know, who knows, maybe it's twenty thirty, twenty forty, twenty forty five, where most jobs could be replaced by automation. Oh, that's how we identify ourselves. You know, I'm a blacksmith, I'm a plumber, I'm a whatever. And we have been that way for over one hundred years. but the concept of retirement was relatively new. The concept of doing anything else other than

trading labor for money, for wages, to then go buy our food rather than being farmers and moving to the cities, it's relatively new for humanity. And he seems to believe that AI is neutral. It's just another technical tool, but it could be used for good or it could be used for bad. And we got to get ahead of the curve so that the elite few don't turn this world into a technocracy with tyranny attached to it. And like you said, the loss of free will.

So we do have an opportunity and it's a heavy lift, but it's not an impossible lift. And to be honest with you, Aaron, that's where my hope lies now. We're not going to vote our way out of this problem. And we could see a giant devaluation in in what we need to consume if the labor isn't required anymore to produce these items. A home that's built requires, forty, fifty percent of the cost is labor, human labor. Well, if that is eventually replaced, would not the home theoretically come down at

least twenty-five, thirty, maybe fifty percent? in its cost and that goes you know on and on and on so we have to look at how do we change our income streams um from trading time and labor for wages into are these going to be transfer payments and just ubi and from the government well we know that's not going to work there you know at best at the very best it could be maybe a safety net from different levels of government, but it's not a solution by all means. The numbers just don't add up. So we have to look at ownership and dividend payments and ownership of various property types, you know,

a universal world fund, shall we say. And as the, a child that's being born, you know, is given a, I don't know, a thousand dollars in treasuries or bonds that are tied into the S&P five hundred. I'm just picking something randomly. But then then at eighteen, they can't sell them. They can only receive the dividend payment from that. And that would essentially replace UBI, if you will. These are the kinds of concepts and ideas that are being talked about now and discussed because. When too many people lose their job, and this is how they identify themselves as we as humans,

as our purpose in life, it's a giant change. It's a radical paradigm shift, but it's also an opportunity. So long as the elites don't take control of all the property and leave us with nothing. And so we have a golden opportunity here. Maybe. Well, we have a golden opportunity, although I would say that, yes, we identify ourselves with our position as a cog in the economic wheel. But there is also the argument that, I mean, the efficiency gains could be so much that... we you know we don't have to

work um and and and in all honesty our belief that our purpose is tied to being a cog in an economic wheel is actually a pretty is is not an is not necessarily a positive a positive a positive one so so you you know we've lost any kind of curiosity for who we are and why we're here. And we've used externalization to various organizations and entities. We've outsourced even thinking about that. So we've blunted our curiosity so that we can just be these cogs in an economic wheel. But the issue with these things is, and I'm looking at Shapiro's thing now,

I've just signed up for his thing, but I mean, I've... I've heard about altman and you know kind of some of his views on this and the problem is that the problem yes there is an opportunity but the technocrats have a view of this that is not compatible with any of the things that you just said agreed I agree I agree and so the issue with this is so this is this is this whole kind of We have to wake as many people up as quickly as we possibly can because we actually have a threat. And we have a threat that's actually literally going right to the heart of free will. At least that's how I see it. And again, tracking, whether it's Musk,

and it's even more interesting now, I think looking into the China aspect of things, because most people think that the technocracy would be Peter Thiel and Elon Musk are not really necessarily that big of a deal in terms of the overall technocracy. Like I said, I'm putting a theory in place that research is tending to validate, which is that Musk just steals ideas from the Chinese and then doesn't actually execute them that well because people just aren't looking at what's going on in China. Tesla, SpaceX, Neuralink, everything that he's come up with, X is the everything app, was developed earlier in China. WeChat. Yeah, that's correct. And so the question is, Yeah. So this is the point.

This is why I had Mike on today. But we can build these decentralized alternatives. And as to how to make money, this is one of the things that I'm adding into the workshops is I'm going to create a bunch of these kind of business plans, maybe even prototypes. I may even do an incubator. The limitation is time. But if somebody says, well, how am I going to make a living? That's the point right there. Yeah, and the point is literally everything that they're building and tokenizing centrally, everything can be recreated privately. There's more economic opportunity in creating private decentralized systems than I've ever seen in anything else. But what I want to do is,

but people have a hard time visualizing that. So I'm like, okay, well, you could build a marketplace for healthcare. You can build a marketplace that does this. You can, you know, whatever. Patrick Byrne identified a hundred and sixty of these ideas. of tokenization business models. And I, at various points, have come up with these. So it's like, you know, there are definitely ideas and things that can be built. And there are, you know, all kinds of different ways that you can use AI. But if We just have to make sure that we're evaluating what we're doing in the context of and the understanding of that there are people pushing a technocratic agenda that's well-funded.

It's kind of like I say all the time, the problem with crypto is that people in crypto are competing against other people in crypto, and it doesn't matter. Collectively, all of crypto combined is getting its ass kicked. And so it's useless to sit there and say, oh, well, no one of these coins is going to be the one. But even to sit there and to try to make it a turf war thing within crypto and not understand what's going on in traditional finance or with stable coins or with CBDCs has probably been the biggest blind spot for the entirety of the space. For sure. followed up with followed up by the desire for acceptance and the willingness to compromise what the technology was

supposed to be about to have a seat at the table with these people that's been another been another disappointment but the opportunities are are absolutely incredible and that's one of the things that I want to work into the workshops and into this the revolution will be tokenized And that's where I was, like I said, I was spending my time the last five, six weeks digging into that scenario. Okay, I lost my job to AI, now what? And that is because the unemployment numbers, which again, we can't trust what the government reports, but there are going to get to a point, it's a breaking point. And, you know, The federal government is going to lose control because too many people are

going to lose their jobs. The question is, is the first people in that list are going to be the white collar jobs or those that they call it, you know, what is it? KVM or keyboard, video mouse jobs. Those are the first that are to go. And are they going to? are they going to go into the streets and riot? And, and the concept of the idea that you're going to be able to fight this from a labor perspective is, is not going to happen because it's about the automation being faster, cheaper, safer, better. You can't compete against that, especially in a global economy. So the, labor bargaining, you know, is, is,

is going to lose. It's, it has, you know, over time, but it's going to lose even more, um, because there's going to be fewer people that are, that are still going to be working. That's, um, So we're going to be able to get the attention of those folks that are on the cusp of losing their jobs, starting to concern or worried about losing their jobs to AI. And they're going to rise up against the machine that's replacing them. And that happened way back in the eighteen eighties with the railroads when they no longer needed switchmen.

to switch the trains on the tracks. It became a little bit more automated and there's big layoffs, massive layoffs in the railroad industry. And then it turned into being violent. And this is one of the first time, uh, that our president, uh, used the federal troops against citizens. And he used the idea of, um, the commerce act that it was, you know, uh, uh, it was an attack on the economy, which was an attack on everybody. So these things are going to play out again. History rhymes and it's going to play out again. When people start losing their jobs,

they're going to be rising up and asking for questions. And there's going to, there's going to, something's going to have to step in to keep the peace. But those folks that are feeling that pain or that concern, that worry are, or it's a different type of depression, shall we say, economic depression, it's going to be different because who knows what they're going to do. And so therefore, they're going to have an ear to the ground. They're going to want to listen to solutions. And that's actually where, you know, we can provide we can call it for what it is yeah we don't want to you know these these technocrats to take over they're going to

listen to that message but we also have to be able to provide solutions and um and we can I think blockchain's a part of that david shapiro talks about that and government regulations is in the way for some of that like you said patrick burns talking about the different tokenization of different businesses You're absolutely right. He's right. And government's going to have to get out of the way. But it comes back to free men don't ask for permission and play things like Zano. Just do it anyway. Do it on the private side. Start earning, you know, multiple flows of residual income. Maybe private residual

income is an amazing thought or concept. Back to how it used to be, right? But it's an amazing concept that I can start receiving without taxation, a hundred percent of an income from a private source through private tokens, private tokenization, which would be, you know, ownership example, bad example, maybe, but is like the robo taxi that, you know, Elon is trying to roll out. That's going to undercut all the Uber drivers. And but who's to say that a group of people couldn't put together, you know, as a co-op ownership in a robo taxi for thirty grand that's going to generate, you know,

I don't know, you know, fifty, sixty grand after after expenses and dividend payments coming in weekly, monthly to everybody that invested in one robo taxi and had shared ownership without any money. pre-qualifications of the investor. That's another thing that's got to go away. So there's opportunity, and people might push back enough and fight for a form of income that's available to them because how they identified themselves as whatever, an analyst, school teacher, whatever, was lost to AI and automation.

They're going to blame the machines and they're going to blame those who control the machines, the technocrats. And that's how we beat them, in my opinion. It's getting late for you. Well, no, I was going to say we have to move so much faster than this, though, because, again, everything that's going on is everything is being centralized, right? So I like your idea, but what's actually more likely to happen is, you know, Elon, there's going to be one or two players because, unfortunately, what's happened with big tech is that it's been kind of a winner take all. And that's certainly – and

it's not helped by the U.S. policies on either digital assets or on AI, which promotes further centralization and further rewards the largest players. So the thing is – now, what I do worry about, though, in this scenario is what are people going to do when Well, if they're offered UBI, they lose their job? they're probably going to take it. is their sense of identity for work I mean, going to be greater than their willingness to turn down free money? Well, they're going to take free money just because that's the only place that they're going to be able to get money for food. That's what it's going to come down to eventually or to certain pockets of population for a certain industry.

It's ironic that the blue-collar worker will be the last one working because I don't know if that's true either. So I've spent time researching. I mean, if you look at how robotics is evolving, in fact, I even showed is the video clip. I mean, they're training the robots on how to mimic motion. They're already doing this. They have factories in China that are already completely, one hundred percent robotic already. We're used to seeing Boston Dynamics or a couple of things and, oh, wow, this is great. Here's iRobot and here's this next thing. You should research what they already have going on in China. It's not hard once you put a

humanoid robot and you put Grok-IV into it. That can do plumbing. That can do electrical work. In fact, it can do it a lot easier than a person. You don't have to deal with health insurance or anything else. In fact, the amount of money you could even afford to invest in a robot to do those kinds of functions is actually pretty high given the costs. So I... I think everything's going to be replaced at a pretty fast clip because we, we think about what is an Andro and there are a handful of robotics companies here, but we're losing, we're losing to China in robotics. Right. Right. There is a, what's his name?

Peter Diamantidis or something, you know, the X prize guy. Okay. Well, this past week he had, I can't remember his name. I'm horrible at names. Imad. He started one of the AIs. There was a panel of four of them in this past week. Anyway, he says that AI will end capitalism. And he's working on a white paper that would allow AI to... It's kind of interesting. He's using blockchain technology. as well but he's trying to say he's trying to position and I haven't read his white paper yet but um

you'll recognize his face in his his conversation uh when you see it but uh he's he's basically stating that we need these super master nodes shall we say in each nation that can be privately owned and share owned you know as a co-op shall we say And it becomes decentralized, so it doesn't matter if the country is for it or not for it. People are going to want to access it. One of them was something that would actually compete with your interview today. What's his name? He's also here in Texas. Mike Adams. Mike Adams, thank you.

Which was on the healthcare side of things. But he's saying that It would be like a centralized... I'm butchering this. But all the different AIs would feed into this one centralized access point. So you would hit that access point and then jump into Grok or jump into JetGPT or whatever as I'm gathering. And that central point... shall we say, is actually still distributed and decentralized and has shared ownership amongst humanity,

if you will. And he says that's how we're going to, that's a way to fight against too few being able to decide how AI is implemented and what it's used for. It's kind of a grandiose idea. But it's something to look at, poke holes in it, and learn from it. Certainly in the know, he would be considered one of those at the top as well. But I think that he's trying to keep the peace. Because who's to say that the psyche of the blue-collar worker isn't

going to be more violent than the white-collar worker who loses their job, you know? I don't know, but that's how I see it playing out. whenever it's hard to say I mean, you know, for sure how it's going to play out, but I certainly see a lot of, a lot of apathy. And I, you know, I think people will, people have become so dependent. I mean, this is another one of those. If you take a look at, you know, how many people are already on government benefits at this point in time? how many actual workers are there I mean, versus people who, pulling money from the system. Like I, I don't know, I guess after COVID I'm, I'm, I'm so skeptical of resistance. This is why it's, you know, again,

we still have to build this stuff and we have to build it with, with innovators and we have to do it really fast. Any of these solutions that are like, that are centralized or that, that even have groups of people coming up with centralized stuff is, is going to be, you know, even as you described it, somebody who's trying to keep the peace, that's probably not going to be, or maintain power, their positions of power, they're going to force peace. Right, exactly. But I mean, I think that, again, if you look at what's actually happening, I'm sure there are some ideas that could work. But what's actually happening is just straight technocracy. And I mean, at this point now with America's party,

the election is pretty much all but decided. And I've said this before. I suspect we're going to get UBI under Trump. Did you see this latest proposal to take tariffs and give Americans, what is it, six hundred bucks? I can't remember what the amount is, but. Yeah, yeah. That was actually something that was hinted about in Trump's Mar-a-Lago Accords, if I'm not mistaken, and the tokenization of the U.S. assets. And there you go. There's Lipnick or whatever is all over that as well. You know, selling off American assets to private corporations and then ended as far as for tokens

and some kind of dividend payment plan idea but that's it's I just well you and I and many of us here we're going to are extremely skeptical of any kind of central command centralized system that's going to properly distribute these these uh tokens to everybody I i I don't think I'd believe it even if I saw it. But yeah, you're right. The UBI at this point, at this time that Trump mentions, it's just a payoff. It's to keep the peace. It's a payoff to maintain a

position of power for twenty twenty eight. for his goods yeah this is literally all this is is I mean again we're at the state of we're already at the state of collapse people know we're at the state of collapse it's can we con people and fool people long enough and then hope that something like ai comes in and creates the productivity boop that is actually what is going on right now with and that's why our people are being crack down on because they need everybody to believe in this anybody that's if you're speaking the truth about the fact that this is a clear and blatant ponzi scheme right no one wants to buy our debt so we're going to capture right successful private stable

coins force them to be backed by treasuries and use that to sell treasuries right they're packaged as a as we're maintaining america you know america's leading the charge and global reserve currency and all that but it's a complete act of desperation and alongside that is shutting down money and things that can work outside of the system that don't require government or the central bank that is the that is part of why the political prisoners that are still political prisoners are political prisoners, but they know that it's about up. And with, you know, one thing that if I could find time, but I'd use AI to do it is, you know, we talk about these click wrap agreements,

but I'm, I am increasingly of the opinion, the reason that I said that I did this section on Americans are the most brainwashed people. I think if you look at these click wrap agreements, you'll find we've given away ninety percent of everything already contractually. Right. And we have no idea that we've done it, but we've given away our rights. We've given away our economic ownership. We've given away our privacy. And then through other things that have happened. So, I mean, things like the great taking or whatever, I mean, this stuff's already baked in. Now, I would argue that it's not that the entire system is fraudulent, that if we live in a society where you have to

read legal agreements an hour a day, Three hundred and sixty five days a year that are in legalese, that that is a system that is designed, that that's fraud, that that isn't actually consent. But I think that there's probably a way to use AI. I'd like to paint this situation. What's the average person in terms of their four or one K and all the stuff they sign up for? And it's like, hey, you know, you don't own the money in your bank account. You don't have the voting rights for these financial instruments. If there's a collapse, you don't own the economic instrument and go on and on and on down the line and then find out that, you know, this relates to this idea that people think they live

in the greatest country in the world and they don't realize that they've already given everything away. And in many cases, I actually think we're worse than China. The example that I use is the tax code. You know, China has a social credit system. So do we. It's just that we don't have an app and we don't know what the rules are. We have no transparency. But we actually have more harsh penalties. The penalties here are here's sixteen million words, seventy five thousand pages. And if you get it wrong, you go to jail because we don't have an app for you. And so Americans sit here and say, well, we're free. At least we're not like communist China, which is what all these

members of Congress were standing up there saying. At least we're not like we don't want to become like communist China. We don't want to have financial surveillance like communist China. I'm listening to this come out of the mouth. of a guy that reauthorized the Patriot Act and signed up for the CARES Act. And the thing is, I think it's completely conceivable that this guy doesn't even know what he signed. He doesn't even realize he was responsible for financial surveillance. That's how stupid and broken the system is. So trying to make these tools available. I mean, I know you're right. It's hard for people. People think that they can't spend time on this. That's also false.

This is the biggest myth of all of this. True. It's like the myth of people saying, why I took the shot so I could keep my job. Once you let go of... No. your narrow view that you know again what you know what you know you don't know you what you know you don't know and what you don't know you don't know once you let go of the fact that everything is not just this very small sliver of what you know then then there's actually unlimited possibility But as long as you hold on to that narrow worldview, then yeah, you're going to feel like you have no choice. But there is always choice. That's the thing that I think that second part of the thing that I want to work on with this autonomy

thing is to make people aware of the fact that they do have free will and that they are not constrained by their programming. Right. Let go of that programming. That's a, that is the most critical part of being able to defeat technocracy because the technocracy thing itself is, is the battle over free will. You can create economic systems, but it will be a lot easier to create alternative economic systems. If people understand that there's unlimited possibility out there and they're not limited by their program. Right. So yeah, I don't know. It is getting a little bit late. Yeah, it is. I'll watch some of this Shapiro stuff. I already subscribed to it,

but I guess the thing that I keep on, what I've become frustrated with is we're losing faster than we can possibly imagine, and people have zero sense of urgency. Well, I agree. I think they have zero sense of urgency because everything is still handed to them. But when you start looking at some of the real numbers, and I don't want to sound like a bleeding heart liberal or communist at all, but when you start looking at people who are living out of their vehicles because they're forced, just because of the cost of housing, the cost of food, wages haven't kept up with inflation,

it's kind of a tinderbox. And, you know, I don't, I, you know, it's harder and harder for people to make a living at a level that can be maintained to still have some kind of, I don't know, decency. look at what it would cost to You know, live in San Francisco or the Northeast where you're at, right? You know, it's much different than, say, in the Midwest. But it's all relative to what your wages are, those locations. But it's just not the same as it used to be. And that's part of that tinderbox.

And like you mentioned, too, all these agreements. And everything is now rented, leased. You don't own anything, all the way down to your cell phone. And then the other point, it's getting like late, especially for you, Aaron, I appreciate this time. But the other thing I want to point out is what's happening in Canada with Alberta and separating from Canada, becoming its own nation state. That's going to create a spark, a bigger spark as well. And you never know, the Texas movement might gain more momentum or steam or the, you know, was it the Jefferson Project? in northern california or eastern oregon etc you know

these kinds of things um and then you throw in that economic you know hardships with wages not keeping up with inflation you know the those in power might be facing a a harder sell or maybe they're going to start using you know a gun to keep the peace shall we say well they are this is why well they are they are economically but I'm talking I'm talking no a hundred and fifty billion dollars under the one big beautiful bill for militarization of police and for um ai surveillance

and we've just implemented a digital id this is why when I say it's right what they've added in the last six months are things to be able to control our money control uh add surveillance and then now um add more militarization of police we all that militarization don't need we don't need about protecting the border they're going to turn that on on us you know what covet people people think that we beat covet or something covet was just one more test case where we added contact tracing none of the surveillance that was added from covid was was retracted and so so yeah they're fully aware of the fact that there very well could be some kind of rebellion but the truth is you know I've seen enough

of these look at these robot dogs oh I know aren't they scary oh aaron I've been looking at that stuff too and what's it doing in china and People laugh at them playing soccer, but you don't realize, you know, six months ago, a year ago, that was almost thought to be impossible. Yep. Yeah, that was thought to be impossible. Now I've seen a series of videos on all kinds of complex tasks that are being done. I mean, everything from dancing to running to being able to have enough ability to pick up a grape without crushing it and everything else. And now they've been able to integrate these AIs. You throw Grok into something like that. Are you familiar with Grok Heavy?

and what its capabilities are you know yeah heavy is three hundred dollars a month but it's the equivalent of a high level phd in almost every field of science at your fingertips I'm using it it's part it's part of what I've been using to compile information like right now as you've been talking you were talking about people living out of cars I'm like oh what has been the rate of van life that's What's been the rate of homelessness in the U.S. since nineteen eighty until today? And sure enough, I mean, we're the highest we've been since two thousand and seven. And, you know, in nineteen eighty, we were at point one one percent homeless and now we're point two three percent homeless.

And and that's twenty twenty four. So, yeah, it's getting worse. So, yeah, I mean, these are. But then, now ask van life. How many people estimate are van lifers living out of a van or an RV? They don't classify themselves homeless. They're just living on a, like, called van life. It's a hard, I'm curious to see what it says. Because that's another part of the population that is not living in a traditional home or apartment. Yeah, but are those people... Because I have a friend of mine that did that, and he actually has two kids, and he and his wife got an RV, and for two years, they've been going around the country, and he has kids that are younger than mine. But I wouldn't consider that

fact to be an indicator of... uh any kind of uprising per se I mean although unless you have a different I don't know I don't know that much about it this is three point one million people in the u.s were living in vans or other motorized vehicles this was twenty twenty two sixty three percent increase uh there you go nine million in twenty twenty driven by remote work economic pressures and the van life trend so Right. So it's kind of all rolled into one. And those who want to give up van life and move back into some kind of traditional apartment or home, the cost, they've definitely been priced out of it, unless they were able to

save a lot of money while they were doing their van life. And it's just part of that figure that's interesting to statistic or tidbit that probably doesn't get counted correctly. This is what I guess my point I'm trying to illustrate. All right. Well, I was great. It was great to talk to you. I hope, I hope you do get back into it and stuff at some level. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm still debating about it. I just don't, you know, I guess I have to be careful what I say now. That's how I look at it for my family. Um, And then I feel like I'm losing, you know,

it's, it's like a, well, checkmate defeated person. Hopefully it's not checkmate. I, I still have some hope here. Aaron, this has been fantastic and amazing, amazing five hours for you in twenty one minutes. Uh, Thank you so much for all that you do. I appreciate it. And I've really enjoyed tonight's conversation. I was able to listen to it also at three X speed, two and a half X speed to catch up. And thank you for having me on. I thank you for coming on. Thank you for sharing the story and for all of the

wonderful conversation. And I do hope there's more in the future. Yeah, absolutely. All right. Thanks again, Aaron. You too. Good night.