S2E25: Break the Grid - How the Zano Ecosystem Can Defeat Technocratic Tyranny

I woke up to silence But the war had begun They froze my account Said I'd done something wrong Wasn't no crime Just living free Now the system Got a chain on me They took my savings My future,

my land With a single code line and a government hand Said it was safety Said it was green But all I see is tyranny behind the screen This ain't innovation It's a trap in disguise Watched all your lies Genius ain't freedom Creality ain't clear It's a cage

they built While we cheered I believed in the promise But the same old swamp just changed its brand He banned the front door, opened the back Signed the bills that launched a fire

This ain't innovation It's a trap in disguise You'll own nothing Be watched all your life Genes ain't freedom It's a cage they build while we chill Your gold, your guns, your voice,

your name They'll digitize it all then shift the blame Palantirizing AI chains Freedom dying slow in patriotic flames This ain't about safety It's control in disguise With your ID, your face, your tears, your time They wrapped it in stars, sold it with pride But freedom's bleeding out

From the inside DEFCON won And they call it peace But I still got breath I still believe We can break the code, escape the scheme Turn this nightmare back into a dream They said it's for safety. They said it's for peace.

But they put the cage up first. Then they hid the keys. Roger Veer, one oh nine years. Ian framed up, engineered with fears. Roman Rocco, We won't let them fade away We will shout their names today

We will not be silent. We will not stand by. Their fight is our fight till the day they fly. Free them!

Free them!

Whose fingerprint is on the cold? Whose breath inside the mold? A billion dollar prayer answered in a petri dish. Tell me, is that heaven? Or just a hostage with a hate? Prints signed by ghosts in suits, white coats, offshore loot. Epstein Island, Santa Fe, secret pay, recruit the youth.

Gain me code and mantra, chant a conscious evolution. Metamask for technocrats who harvest data like communion. Noah's fear, surveillance, tell our dreams in several racks. Pearson, Teal, bankroll to stack, AI gods on proxy tracks. We'll see you next time.

they serve swapping our doubt for dopamine selling the sky on reserve anti-rivalrous Lost in an NFT, traded for server slabs Upload the conscience, auction the flesh Legislate death through a silicone mesh Run that test, bet your breath Who's your guy when the code out? Lives your chest though!

If the future's a marketplace and the souls aren't clearance, remember, a bargain with a ghost still costs you your breath.

Click the little box, don't read the line It's all binding, buddy, sign after sign The devil's got a lawyer and he's working for free You'll rent your own shadow for a monthly fee No pen, ain't no phase Just a phantom contract in a database Agree, agree, that's the key You don't own nothing but the lock and the fee Signed with a finger, blood on the screen Terms and conditions in a corporate dream They'll leash you the sunlight, the shoes on your feet They'll auction your laughter down on Market

Street A box unchecked is a door that won't open The future's foreclosed and the contrast been spoken Click-wrap chains, man, they never break Even God signed once by mistake Agree, agree, that's the key You don't know nothing but the lock and the fee Signed with a finger, blood on the screen Terms and conditions in a corporate dream Step right up, don't be shy Scroll down the page, let your freedom die No exit door, no midnight train Just a click, hear a tattoo carved into your brain Agree, agree

You don't own nothing but the lock and the fee Signed with a finger, blood on the screen Terms and conditions in a corporate dream We don't bow, we don't break We don't give what they can take We don't bow,

we don't break We don't give what they can take Roger stood with fire in his hand We went and built a haven on free land Roam and rope the cold they fear the most Now they're ghosts in the machine they boast They dress it up as law and order But it chains across the border Can't hide the truth in

paper lies Freedom's got a billion eyes But we are told we don't bow, we don't break We owe fourteen, oh six, seven A law that kills the hope we're given

Roger, we will stand for you We will fight it through Your code will run Freedom's rise has just begun

We don't give what they can take

Let's try this again. All right. My understanding is that the audio was muted. I've actually done about twenty different changes this week. So I have a completely new set up, a new computer, a new camera and everything. So a lot of variables going on today, plus launching a new site. So hopefully Hopefully everything will come together. I was just saying that today we're actually focusing on solutions. We've been talking a lot about technocracy and the threat of technocracy and how rapidly technocracy has been growing, particularly since the election. But today the emphasis is going to be specifically on solutions. I got involved with Zeno April of last year. And at that point I'd been

technology and I've been introduced to the interested in tokenization since and fell in love with the idea of being able to privately tokenize assets and trade them without third parties because I've been one hundred percent focused on stopping CBDCs and technocratic tyranny. Since that time, in just a year and a half, the entire ecosystem has just exploded with all kinds of new applications. So what you're going to see tonight is I'm going to go through an overview of the ecosystem and you're going to be able to see what is possible today, not in the future, not talking about what might be in the future, but what already exists And then we're also going to talk about what can be

built on Zaino in the future, what can be built. And in fact, I'm going to frame this in terms of threats and counters. So what is the technocratic threat with respect to food and medicine and money and so forth? And then how do we counter that with Zaino? And in fact, I've built a website. is an alpha version of the website. In fact, I've been working on it all the way up until about two minutes before we went live called freedomforge.io. And the point of this site is to provide guides and useful information for onboarding people provide links to workshops that I'm going to be starting up again. it's a website where I'm But more importantly, going to be educating, incubating,

advising, and investing in startup projects in the Zeno ecosystem that are specifically counters to technocratic threats. I've been working on a book for quite some time called The Revolution Will Be Tokenized. It's actually been a very difficult book to write because I'm trying to take some very complicated concepts and make it And what I've learned is, accessible. this for seven years, I want to since I've been immersed in start being more concrete in explaining and maybe even showing and building rapid prototypes of what can be built on Zeno. My purpose isn't to own all of this or even to run all of it. I don't care who runs it, but there are some of these

things that absolutely have to be built. If they're not built, then we will lose to technocracy by default because we don't have any alternatives. It's not enough to know about the threats of technology. In the absence of viable solutions, going to be stuck so that's the framework for tonight and and moving forward it's going to be about a third of my of the podcast every week I'm going to go into more detail onto it into a specific either existing solution within the xeno ecosystem or an idea about something that could be built in the xeno ecosystem I want to really hopefully get people thinking about how they can make the transition from a centralized economy

trending towards technocracy to one that is decentralized and private. So I'm going to go through some of the housekeeping. And by the way, if you could like and share this, usually I spend more time marketing these podcasts with email lists and everything else and sending notes out to groups. This is a new time and format for the show. So this show used to be at eight o'clock on Thursday. Now it's six p.m. Eastern time on Monday and Thursday. So for a lot of people, this is a new time and they're probably not even aware that this is going on. And unfortunately, I got a little bit too caught up trying to get some of this stuff done to do an adequate job marketing. So liking and sharing this

and sending links and groups and so forth would be really helpful because I think this is important. We are at a point in time right now where it's time for mass adoption. The Zeno ecosystem has enough developed where we can start really onboarding people and scaling. And that hasn't been the case. there's been a lot of development work, I mean, a lot of very promising projects that were being worked on. But I wanted to get this website launched and have this podcast today because now is go time. Now we can actually start implementing these solutions. So my podcast on Monday, I went through ten signs that technocracy is already here, and then I previewed some of the exciting things that

are going on with Zeno, which I will recap again a bit later. And I'm going to not go through all of those again, but I am going to do a really quick overview of technocracy and explain just how quickly technocracy is accelerating. I actually launched another The week before that, alpha site called ownnothing.org. This is still, I haven't had time to work on that site. But the idea behind this is that I'm arguing that we already own nothing. from a contractual perspective that we've signed these click wrap agreements for everything from software to our investment portfolios to, you know, leasing agreement, your car rental agreement. And that in essence, we've given away our data.

We've given away our privacy. We've given away in many cases, our economic ownership. And I put that site together and I'm developing it because I think people really need to wake up there. There's, not enough of a sense of urgency. Most people don't even know what technocracy is, but even upon getting introduced to the idea, there seems to be this belief that we have a lot of time. And what I think you'll see if you actually examine this is that we're already ninety percent of the way there and it's moving rapidly. So I hope, if anything, what comes out of this episode is a real sense of urgency for what we're up against. I barely had time to launch this or even announce it in

the last podcast, but I have created a new website, TheAaronDayShow.com. I encourage you to check it out. It's a great opportunity for you to see all of the episodes. You can link to all the different platforms that we're on. We get most of our traffic on X, but we're also on Rumble, YouTube, Spotify, Amazon Music, itunes etc and I am going to be moving towards ipfs as well so that we have a completely decentralized alternative I'm going to be building some community features around it I'm also going to be adding xeno integration and rewards but you know I'll talk more about that later but you this is a great place to go to again see all of the content but you can also see my other

interviews and there's a web page where you can book me for interviews or speaking events that type of thing so I'll be doing a lot more development on that site uh last week or the week before at times blurry we did this great technology technocracy roundtable with courtney turner patrick wood craig be doing that again and myself we're going to later this month. And I encourage you to watch that and to watch these guys. I mean, if you want to know about technocracy, you know, the OG on this is Patrick Wood. He's written multiple books about this. He has a terrific boot camp course, like a college level course on the whole history of technocracy. Courtney Turner's done a phenomenal job.

delving into a lot of issues with phenomenal, well-researched information. And so please check that out because the word is not getting out fast enough about technocracy. Technocracy is spreading faster than the word about it. Just a reminder of a few events coming up. I'll be at Polyface Farms September the twelfth and the thirteenth. I'm actually going to go to D.C. first to sit in on one of these hearings with Aaron Seery and Toby Rogers from the Brownstone Institute. Toby's a great guy and he's been he knows probably more about the links. I can't even say what it is here, but between vaccines and certain medical conditions than anyone.

So that'll be interesting. I think there are going to be some fireworks around that. I'm going to be attending the Peak Prosperity Summit on September the fourteenth. I actually pre-recorded a video for the Crypto Vigilante Online Summit. So I believe that is also on the twelfth at eleven or noon. That's online. You can check that out. And then we have the Brownstone annual event coming up, which is October the thirty first through November the first in Salt Lake City. I encourage you to get tickets because these brownstone events always end up sold out at this point. Just a quick reminder, our political prisoners of war.

are still under attack. There is no substantial movement at all on any of these. So when you hear people telling you that the war on crypto is over and America is the best place in the world for crypto, point them to the fact that some of the biggest leaders in promoting cryptocurrency adoption and promoting freedom are still either in prison or facing up to life in prison for non-crimes. for political lawfare launched under the Biden administration. So I encourage you to check out Roger Ver and sign his open letter at freerogernow.org. Support Ian Freeman at freeiannow.org and support

Roman Storm at freeromanstorm.com. And I will say Roman needs some financial assistance. I think he's already spent five million dollars in legal fees he lost. at trial. So he's awaiting sentencing now. Hopefully, I'm assuming he's going to appeal this. I mean, he lost on one of the four charges and he didn't lose on the largest. But nevertheless, as it stands, he's looking at prison time and it's already cost five million dollars. He's been fighting this in the Southern District of New York. So if you can, please, please support Roman. So again, to set the framework, I'm not going to spend a I always talk about technocracy, lot of time on this because but I know there's some

people listening to this that are new. I do want to frame specifically so that people understand why privacy tokens and privacy crypto is so important, right? This is not a nice to have story. This isn't a niche story. This isn't a number go up story. We're in a war right now, and that war is technocracy versus freedom. And I'll show a short video about what technocracy is if you're not familiar with it. And what's at stake is free will itself. So essentially, under a technocratic regime, scientists and engineers will make decisions for everyone. There will be a digital monetary system based on energy credits,

and you will have a social credit system with AI surveillance where you really lose the ability to make decisions about any aspect of your life. Technocracy isn't technology. It's an ideology. It's an ideology. And it's a movement that's been going on for almost a century. And until recently, they haven't had much traction, but the ideas that they've had were, I guess, ahead of their time in some ways. But now with the internet, digital currencies, AI surveillance and everything else, they're very close to being able to execute on what they were trying to do. So this is a battle for free will. And I would argue that tokenization is actually This is why this is important. the battleground.

This is why I'm spending so much time on Zeno and working on these projects. Because what the technocrats are doing is they are creating digital tokens that represent everything that we own. Not just money, but it does include money, CBDCs or stablecoins. But they're going to tokenize our stocks, our bonds, our portfolios, our homes, every asset they're going to tokenize. And the way that they're tokenizing it is one in which they can track, program, and censor the tokens. And so this is how we end up owning nothing. And it can actually happen at a click of a mouse button. And when you see what's happened with these legal contracts, with the click wrap agreements,

we've already given up our legal rights. The centralized tokenization piece of this makes it really easy for the technocrats to push us into a single global system. So I'm going to play this short video just for people that are new to this concept. This is from Derek Brose. It's a couple minutes long. Just a quick overview about what technocracy is all about. As a technocrat, let's dive in. In the early twentieth century, a movement began to develop around a political theory known as technocracy, a system wherein management of governments is handled by technical experts, often involving technology-focused solutions. technocracy claimed that Early proponents of the concept would lead to

better management of resources and the protection of the planet. However, this system of governance by technological experts and their technology would also involve a loss of privacy, as well as centralization of power and the management of all human behavior. Although the term appears to have been largely forgotten, the technocratic philosophy and influence can be seen everywhere in our modern digital world. Already beginning to arrive at the huge civic auditorium where a large receptive audience turned out to hear Howard Scott as he warned of an impending crisis in America's domestic and foreign affairs.

One of the most influential proponents of technocracy was a man named Howard Scott, a writer who founded the Technical Alliance in New York City in nineteen nineteen. Scott believed that business owners lacked the necessary skills and data to reform their industry and thus control should be handed over to engineers. The technocrats publicized their vision of a centrally planned world via books, speeches, clubs and political parties. This resulted in a brief period of popularity in the US and Canada and the years following the Great Depression. As politicians and economists searched for a solution to the financial calamity, the technocrats imagined a world where politicians and

business owners were replaced with scientists, engineers and other technical experts who would manage the economy. However, in the nineteen forties, mainstream interest in the technocracy movement seemed to dissipate. The ideas that underpin the technocratic vision received the notable endorsement in nineteen seventy when political scientist Zbigniew Brzezinski released his book, Between Two Ages, America's Role in the Technotronic Era. Brzezinski will be familiar to long term researchers of the ruling elite. Until his death in twenty eighteen, Brzezinski was a diplomat who ran in the same circles as David Rockefeller and former Secretary of State and accused war criminal Henry Kissinger.

Brzezinski served as advisor to several presidents, from Jimmy Carter to Barack Obama. He was also a member of the Atlantic Council, the National Endowment for Democracy, and the Council on Foreign Relations. Although Brzezinski's book substituted the term Between Two Ages technotronic for technocratic, the depiction of the future is the same, a world in which the scientific and technological elite centrally plan the lives of all humanity. Essentially, Brzezinski's vision is a technologically advanced authoritarian-style collectivism wherein individual liberties are subordinated to the apparent needs of the collective. When we examine the world of twenty twenty-five,

we clearly see the signs of technocratic influence. For example, we can see this influence in the wealthiest companies and the most influential CEOs. These individuals are running companies that have amassed large amounts of financial wealth as well as unfathomable amounts of digital data on all of their customers. From Jeff Bezos at Amazon, Bill Gates of Microsoft, Mark Zuckerberg at Facebook, Elon Musk of Tesla and SpaceX, we can see the technocratic ideology. These men and their colleagues in various technological industries wield immense power through their companies, wealth, and cultural influence. These individuals have enough money, resources, and connections to shape elections,

geoengineer the climate, and cause dips in the stock market, to name a few examples. They are the technocratic class of Thank you. So that's a brief overview of technocracy, but I want to bring home the point about this energy credit thing. Because when I talk to people about technocracy and I say, listen, they want to replace the price system with a system based And people are like, well, on energy credits. that'll take forever to do. Well, I want to show you this short video and I want you to keep in mind that what I'm about to show you actually exists. This isn't a, um, this isn't a, you know, a theoretical, this is an actual product.

In the United Nations released an urgent report emphasizing the need to cut carbon emissions in half by in order to avoid an irreversible climate crisis. The average consumer in Sweden courses around of carbon emissions each year of which is linked to consumption. Later in two thousand and eighteen, Doconomy, a Swedish fintech, took on the challenge and launched Do, a mobile banking service for everyday climate action. The Do app is connected to a credit card that enables users to track and measure their carbon footprint from

each purchase and to compensate for its impact day by day. This spring, Doconomy took its fight against climate change one step further by adding a premium credit card to its offer. But instead of introducing a premium credit card with the typical benefits that encourages further mass consumption, Doconomy did the opposite by launching DoBlack, the world's first credit card with a carbon limit. Simply put, it's the first credit card ever to stop you from overspending. Not based on your available funds, but rather on the levels of CO₂ emissions caused by your consumption.

DoBlack helps you track your climate impact and ensures that you reduce it by fifty percent in line with the UN- two thousand and thirty recommendation. The core purpose of Do Black is not only the ability to measure the impact of your consumption, but also bringing it to a direct halt, making it a radical tool against climate change. For years, credit cards have put a limit on our credit. Do Black puts a limit on our impact. So that exists. And in order for that to exist, because I researched this, what it means is that there

has to be a database that associates what products and services you're using and how much carbon they use. And then when you dig into this further, and you can Google this, you can look up MasterCard's green program, you'll find out There are well over a hundred and fifty corporate partners that have been working with MasterCard for years building this infrastructure. So this idea that the technocrats are going to move towards this energy credit system is not isn't theoretical. They've been working on it. So when you see on your airline ticket, here's how much CO₂ it uses, or some restaurants and other places are just putting it on their receipts, they're not doing that as

part of an awareness campaign. They're actually starting to groom us for this idea of associating our financial transactions with carbon. So this is happening at a very aggressive rate. everything that I went through on Monday. I'm not going to rehash But what I will say is, you know, as I've been working on these websites and trying to get the presentation together for today, I had Alex Jones on in the background. This was yesterday and a little bit today. Jones is sitting there saying, oh, well, you know, I don't know why all these people are blackpilled. We're defeating the globalists. We're defeating Klaus Schwab. We've got them on the run. I think he's completely either lost the plot or

he's compromised at this point. Because there is this new manufactured division that when you examine it is just two different flavors of technocracy. On the left, you have Yuval Noah Harari, who, of course, hangs around Klaus Schwab and WEF and those circles. And on the right, you have Curtis Yarvin. who is pushing this new neo-monarchy authoritarian structure. But when you break it down and you look at what they're both doing, they're both promoting technocracy. So while it might not be Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab, we have an even worse and more effective variant

which is Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, and the PayPal mafia. So while people are sitting here celebrating that the globalists have been defeated, they have accelerated technocracy more in the last eight months. I think that it's accelerated in total by five years. And I'm not going to go through all ten of these signs, but I just want to give you a couple of examples just to drive the point home. Real ID was originally proposed in two thousand and five. It took twenty years to get implemented. It was always pushed back. It was always pushed back. Trump gets elected. You start talking about what we need it for voting. We need it for illegal immigration. And then Kristi Noem comes

in and pushes it through after twenty years, after twenty years of people fighting about it. And when it was pushed in, there was almost no resistance at all. In fact, people are largely celebrating this. Real ID is digital in eight states with a rollout. So you can actually tie your real ID to Google Pay, excuse me, to your Google Wallet, to your Apple Wallet. And they are expanding this and rolling it out ultimately, I'm sure, to all fifty states. Then you have on top of that this whole PSYOP with Musk. Where people are like, oh, yeah, he's going to make government more efficient. He's going to use his money-making skills and his engineering efficiency to fix government.

Well, he didn't save any money, but what he did do is he connected Palantir to the IRS through an API. And Palantir is a project that Peter Thiel co-funded. And Elon Musk and Peter Thiel have a long relationship all the way back to the PayPal days. And so we didn't get the savings, but we got technocracy. And now Palantir has been authorized to build a database of Americans. And so what they're going to do is they're going to connect all of the data in all these federal government departments. And they're going to tie it to Real ID. And some people are convinced that this is somehow about efficiency, and it should be absolutely horrifying once you dig into it.

The other thing that we have is the Genius Act, which is a backdoor CBDC, which I've talked about for multiple episodes. what they've done is they've Basically, taken popular private stablecoins. and put them under control of Congress and the Federal Reserve. And it's Congress that is responsible for financial surveillance. Congress is responsible for know your customer laws, anti-money laundering laws, the Patriot Act, and then you have the suspicious activity reports. All of that other stuff now is coming to private stable coins. And this is also being done to sell more treasuries because they're requiring that these stable coins be backed only by U.S. treasuries. So again, Trump said, oh,

we're not going to have a CBDC. Everybody thought, oh, this is great. He held to his word. We've beaten the globalists. we've done something much worse. But instead, We've taken something that's private, added the financial surveillance of CBDCs, knowing that people won't understand it. And now we have mass adoption of CBDC level surveillance because there was twenty seven trillion dollars worth of stable coin transactions last year. If you tried to launch a CBDC, it would take a long time to get that kind of adoption. So we have a backdoor CBDC. With much greater adoption, but we're not stopping at just tokenizing money. They're also pushing and it's already pushed, been pushed in the camera

of the House or the Senate, the Clarity Act. which is going to allow for the tokenization of stocks, bonds, commodities, all your financial instruments. People are like, oh yeah, this is more adoption. And I have a video clip I'll play later when we talk about solutions. No, they're going to be adding that know your customer anti-money laundering. All of that surveillance is now going to apply to these digital tokenized instruments as well. So again, this is a fast track of digital tokenization that is under the control of government, that is programmable, trackable, and censorable. We have the one big beautiful bill, which has a hundred and fifty billion dollars for AI surveillance and for

further militarizing the police. And now we have other things like, you know, six hundred judges from the Pentagon are going to get involved in things and everything else. It is just a massive power grab and you have people sitting here saying we're beating the globalist we are not beating the globalist we've just lost five years and people are celebrating it and I'm not saying it to be blackpilled I'm not I'm the least blackpilled person around because I think that we can defeat this but it's not by voting and it's not by thinking that trump is going to be a hero this week and then and then musk next week and then rfk that's not going to happen we have to take control of our own free will

and we have to build solutions. You cannot win a rigged contest. So with that, I'm going to jump into... So that's the framework. So technocracy, I would argue, is here. It's accelerating and most people don't know what it is and are unknowingly cheering it on. I would argue because of propaganda. And again, when I mentioned something like Jones, I don't know if Jones is not a stupid guy. So it does make me wonder, how do you talk about these concepts about digital surveillance and all this other stuff? And you leave out Elon Musk and you leave out Peter Thiel and you leave out everything that's going on with the administration. How do you just miss that?

Give that a pass. So there are a lot of people now excited about, they think, oh, RFK's got them on the ropes. we're winning. You know, victory is within reach. And in the meantime, there is more surveillance infrastructure being put in place than anyone could have ever imagined. So this is how we get to Zeno and the topic of tonight's conversation. So I'm really excited about it. So while I mentioned that all of these assets are going to be tokenized or are tokenized centrally, where they're transparent, they're trackable, they're programmable, they're censorable, a solution to that is to tokenize assets and trade them in a way that's private,

that requires no third party. and that can't be viewed or censored by third parties. And this is the reason that I'm excited about Zeno. I mean, to the point where I'm writing a book called The Revolution Will Be Tokenized, which I mentioned earlier. But I've decided instead to build some of these websites, build some of these tools, and then write the book kind of about the solution. So it's going to be less theoretical, which is what it was when I started writing it, and more So again, the tokenization to me is the battleground for free will. It is the battleground of technocracy versus freedom. And on the one hand, you have whether it's Musk

or Larry Fink or Bill Gates centrally pulling the strings or a version where you have control over your own tokens and can trade however you want. I'm going to play a very short video of Larry Fink from Davos last year, just so that you understand where he's at with respect to tokenization. Are you planning on issuing any either meme coin ETFs or anything like that now that the animal spirits seem to be very much alive? I think the Sorkin coin should... Sorkin coin. We got to do a squat coin. We've talked about a squat coin. Yeah. I don't know. Are you fascinated by this, by the way, just the whole phenomenon?

No, I'm not. You know, as a huge believer of crypto and blockchain and tokenization, I mean, I want the SEC to rapidly approve the tokenization of bonds and stocks. That will simplify things, make things easier. Some of the attacks on BlackRock, BlackRock would never have to vote on a proxy vote anymore because every owner or record would be notified through a tokenization of equities. And it would save more money for more people. It would bring down the cost of ownership of stock and bonds. So those are the type of financial reforms we need. Once again, there you have Larry Fink pushing tokenization, and I guarantee you that he's not pushing

tokenization so he can give up control and give up his revenue stream. Related to this, and again, this whole we're winning and Klaus Schwab and everything else, I have to point out that Larry Fink is now the co-chair of the WEF, and having him as the co-chair of the World Economic Forum is far more threatening and far more menacing than having Klaus Schwab. Some academic in his eighties or however old he is, has been replaced by somebody that manages trillions of dollars worth of assets and has political ties all over the world. board of the WEF, In addition to being on the he's also on the board of the Trilateral Commission. Fink has been pushing this for quite some time. So this is real.

These are the people that we're up against. And as I mentioned, Congress quietly passed our digital prison. In fact, it wasn't even all that quiet. I watched the hearings. I ranted about it. You can see some of my other videos about this. making up all these stories, oh yeah, we have to be better than communist China. We need to make sure that Americans are not surveilled, transactions are not their financial surveilled and so on and so forth, all lies. They basically are adding all of the surveillance of our existing system and applying it to these tokens but most people if you look at maga mag is like oh yeah this is pro-america we're gonna win this is about innovation and it has

nothing to do with that they've literally just given technocratic control over the digitization of our money monetary and non-monetary assets to people like larry fink and to people like elon musk and peter thiel that is what's happened and again where are you hearing the outrage I did an interview with the Libertarian Mises Caucus, and when they went to do research on this, they had to scroll pages to find any opposition to the Genius Act. Because even people in crypto have been co-opted and are celebrating it. So this is bad. So I really do. There is a huge sense of urgency here. I mean, I haven't been sleeping much. I've been trying to put all this stuff together because

we now have an opportunity to start building these solutions. But I'm telling you, people are not getting this. Even people in crypto, even people that are supposedly libertarians who believe in individual freedom are publicly supporting this. digital tyranny, and I don't know if they know it or not. So I'm going to go through some of this. I'm going to try to not make this overly technical. There are some pieces where I'm just going to try to describe at a really high level how some of it works. it's just the next slide after this one. In fact, But I'm mostly going to be focusing on applications and how you can use it. But I do want this to serve as a general overview and a

place for you to get started on this and the simplest way that I can describe it is you know through privacy tokenization or confidential assets as the xeno team calls it you have the ability to own your own world you have the ability to tokenize everything without permission and trade it without permission or third parties this goes into some of the detail around what's involved and I you know so it I'm not going to dig into too much of the technical details, but if you're familiar with Monero, Monero is the largest privacy coin. And the lead developer and co-founder of the project, Andre, actually created the technology behind Monero. So he's essentially one of the biggest OGs in the

privacy crypto space. So it uses the same underlying privacy model that monero has but with the added twist that it's not just private money you can take those same technological attributes and apply them to tokens that represent other assets that is the big main differentiating point there although there are others so all of the amounts are kept private The assets are confidential, but the way that an asset works is the same as if I'm sending you a Zeno, it works exactly the same as if I'm sending a token created using Zeno. There's something called ionic swaps. I can actually, from my wallet, swap a token with you.

I did this with a friend of mine. I traded a Julian Assange token, free Julian Assange token that I'd created for a free Ross Ulbricht token. And we did this right from the wallet and no third parties, like literally swapped right from within the wallet. That might not sound like much, but when you think about it, the ability to trade that those tokens could have represented anything that could have been a house that could have been an ownership interest in a company that could have been, represented gold and we were able to do this transaction and literally nobody knows about it. No third party was involved and there's no blockchain to check to see what the transactions were.

One of the other defining features of Zeno, which has turned out to be important recently, is that it's a hybrid proof of work, proof of stake model. And To give a simple overview of that, proof of work, Bitcoin is proof of work. And the idea behind Bitcoin is you have these machines that solve complicated math problems every ten minutes. And the machine that solves it first gets to add the next block of transactions to the blockchain. So it's a competitive system. It's a decentralized system. The problem with this is that if you get enough hash power you could you can do what's called a fifty one percent attack and essentially take over the network and and wreak havoc

on the network and so it's also very energy intensive which by the way is turning out to be problematic Because we now have a situation where people are competing, the US in particular, on AI. countries are competing, And now electricity costs are going through the roof, which is making America not a very competitive place to mine Bitcoin. It's much cheaper in China. In fact, it's even much cheaper than that in Iran. I think it's like I saw some chart where it's like thirteen percent or something of the cost of mining. bitcoin in iran is thirteen percent of what it is in the united states and so there are issues with proof of work and so by having a

hybrid proof of work proof of stake proof of stake is one where um based on the number of coins that you have you there's a probability of of you basically simulating uh solving the block and in zeno's case there's no minimum to how many coins you need to own there are models like ethereum which operate kind of like an oligarchy where in order to be able to stake you have to actually meet a minimum threshold um and hold a certain number of coins which basically concentrates the decision making for the blockchain in to a small group of people Worse still, it's transparent. So you can figure out who it is that's staking and how many coins they own.

So not only is Zeno proof of stake, it is also private. You can't actually see who's So these are very important features. staking the coin. You also have something called escrow contracts. So the idea here is this is an ability for you to trade with someone without knowing them. uses a mutually assured destruction model where I put a certain amount into escrow, you put a certain amount into escrow. It's enough to make sure that it's worthwhile for us to resolve the transaction. So you might send me a product, but I've put enough into escrow to equal the amount of the product plus some escrow amount. So there's a reason for me to not rip you off. It uses financial incentives.

So no third party is involved. This is an important feature for being able to conduct this kind of commerce because a lot of people are like, well, you know, how are you going to handle disputes of course as if the court system is good at handling disputes I mean you know anybody who's actually dealt with the court system knows that that's actually not a very effective way to resolve disputes but there are some things built into the technology that don't require third parties there's something called an alias This is where instead of if you've been in crypto, address that has a really you'll often have an long string of letters and numbers. And it's really convenient. I mean, inconvenient.

You're not going to give somebody or even be able to remember what your address is. And so people are like emailing the stuff back and forth or whatever. But instead, you can have an alias. My alias is at Aaron. So you can go to the Zeno wallet and you can type at Aaron and my address will automatically pop up. and you can send me xeno or you can send me tokens created on xeno and nobody transactions happen so even can see that those though you know what my alias is you still can't see the transactions or the transaction amounts there's also a I'm sorry I'm trying to view this something called auditable wallets and so this is a feature where you can see the total amount

or the aggregate amount of assets without seeing who's doing what in terms of trading, you can validate that there are in fact that many tokens representing a particular asset. So this is an optional additional feature, but it's important. And I'll give you an example in a use case of this. There's an API that you can use to build things on Zeno and a lot of other features that are coming. And I'm not gonna even be able to go through all of them today, but just understand this is a high level overview, but every week in every episode, I'm gonna go into more detail and drill into one of these points so that you can get a better flavor of what's going on. One of the reasons I'm so

excited about the project is the team itself. I've had an opportunity to meet the team in person on a few different occasions at conferences. And, you know, there are some people say, well, all that matters is the code as if There's this belief that somehow people are just auditing code for free and that white knights are making sure that code is secure and that it just magically is going to work. And that has turned out not to be the case. We've learned about that with Bitcoin. We've learned about many projects that have been hijacked. We've learned about many projects even where the developers aren't known and they're kept private.

And then lo and behold, it becomes a rug pull and you find out, oh, hey, that guy screwed people over on this other project. project is we know who the Great thing about this people are behind it and they have a terrific track record. So Andre, he and Pavel are the two co-founders of the project. mentioned who literally But Andre is the guy who I co-created CryptoNote, which is the technology behind Monero. So he's been involved in this space for over a decade. And in fact, even Zeno has officially been around since twenty nineteen. But there was actually a predecessor project before that. So Zeno has actually been around for quite some time. One thing I like to say, so Andre is very,

very humble and very concerned about pursuing the truth and pursuing the best solution. So the first time that I interacted with him is at Monerotopia. And he was sitting there and he was listening to other talks by some of the Monero developers. And he was kind of taking notes and going up and asking questions and engaging with people. some of these key developers like luke parker and others in the monero community and he's done this I've seen him do this on on multiple occasions he's just interested in finding the best solution so he's not you know he's not like oh I'm the best guy in the whole world and you know whatever I say goes he's very deliberate and very thoughtful about the way he

pursues things and and it's turning out that just in the short period of time I've been involved he's really been right and he's really been ahead of the curve on a lot of areas and he's very forward thinking so so it's the code is today it's not just about what what who's behind it and what are they doing with it and pavell is a phenomenal uh product developer and in terms of not only working on projects but also collaborating with people in the ecosystem that are looking to build things. Val is terrific. He heads up research, and I believe he came up with the confidential assets model, and he's done a lot of the hardcore research to figure out how to do some of the

things that Zeno is currently doing, which is very complicated. It's not as easy as you might think, or you may or may not think that it's easy to be able to to do all this to tokenize these assets to to maintain privacy and but yet at the same time be able to do this with assets and to handle all this stuff it's been years and years of work and and research Quentin is in charge of marketing, and I've spent a lot of time with him. he came out with the team to Porkfest. In fact, And so this is a marketing group that is very committed to the project, and they are not about pump and dump or price at all. So if you see the marketing, the marketing is always about...

functionality and use so very approachable team that that does not focus on hype that focuses on use and then gonzalo who is is in charge of the community which I I actually think gizano has one of the best communities out there I encourage you to join the telegram group or the Discord group or the X group. Because I mean, that's how I started out. I learned about this project and then I did a deep dive and read the white paper and downloaded a wallet and started talking to everybody. And so it's good to kick the tires obviously yourself, but I'm just giving you what I learned in my experience. So I want to talk about what I'm going to be talking about today is kind of the

way I view this is in terms of threats and counters. So I think I mentioned this earlier on. So what are the threats from the technocrats And then how do we counter it with Zeno? And in the website that I put together, you'll see that's often how I frame a lot of this. But this gives you an understanding of how to look at the projects that already exist, as well as to maybe even start thinking about, well, where do we need counters? How are we going to solve this? We know the technocrats are going to roll this out. What's our solution to that? So I'm going to present some of these solutions in this context and the first I'm going to start with is this area of of course my favorite area

which is cbdc's and stable coins and I want to start by reminding people that even before the genius act these stable coins and these stable coin providers were collaborating with law enforcement So your Tether, your USDC has been able to be kind of confiscated and frozen for a long time. This is something that noticed that just came out. Eighteen hours ago, filed a civil forfeiture the Justice Department has complaint seeking to seize eight hundred and sixty three thousand two hundred and forty seven dollars in Tether, alleging that they are proceeds from cryptocurrency related confidence scams. I mean, imagine that the Justice Department trying to act like they

have any kind of ethical standing regarding confidence scams. Or imagine the Federal Reserve trying to go after somebody for a confidence scam when it's its Ponzi scheme itself. But nevertheless, as we've learned with our friends that are in prison or facing prison time, the DOJ is very arbitrary about this. And the civil asset forfeiture concept, I'll get back to. But this is just one example. That's one from just eighteen hours ago. But I went and looked at, well, what were some of the largest seizures of these stablecoins? Well, the largest for Tether was at four hundred and thirty five million dollars of stable coins that were frozen across three hundred twenty six wallets.

And then there was fifty eight million dollars seized. That's the largest to date for Circle, which runs USDC. So the point is that these stable coins always had a kill switch. Now you're going to be adding KYC, AML, and all of the financial surveillance that Congress can come up with, which I've written articles about this. I've talked about this many times. I've identified thirteen different federal government programs that are used for financial surveillance. So now that's coming to stable coins, which are backdoor CVDCs. And just one other thing about these stable coins, you actually can't earn interest on them either. I mean, the whole thing is a remarkable scam.

But again, it's complicated. It's hard to get people. I did an interview with the Daily Mail about Howard Lutnik. it took four or five hours of And I mean, back and forth to explain what I thought was a pretty basic concept. And this is part of why they're able to do what they're able to do, complex and people don't understand it. which is because it's I mentioned earlier how popular stablecoins are. So, twenty seven trillion dollars worth of transaction volume last year. And based on projections, hundred and twenty trillion we're looking at one dollars worth of transaction volume by twenty thirty. How much is that? How much is one hundred and twenty trillion? That's more than Visa,

MasterCard and direct deposit combined. So now The federal government, Congress has control over that kind of trajectory and that kind of volume of financial transactions. It's very scary stuff. Also, you know, the more I get into this, the more I realize how it's kind of like the own nothing thing. We've already given up eighty, ninety percent of our rights. And as I really have dug into how money actually works, we really already have a CBDC anyway. I mean, our money is already programmable. Two examples of this are EBT cards or food stamps. When RFK came out and announced, hey, in states, you know, in these states, they're no longer legal.

allowing food stamps to be used for sugary drinks and people like oh yeah this is great what you don't realize is what is that that's digital programmable money what are ebt cards they're debit cards that are issued at the state level and now they've added the ability to be more rigorous about at the product category level or even the product level what you can or cannot buy with these ebt cards well you know you may like it now you may think it's sensible when applied to sugary drinks you won't like it when the next hhs secretary doesn't believe in red meat and is trying to mandate insect protein and by the way related to this there are no examples of financial surveillance

being added by congress and then it being taken away it is a one shot towards more surveillance ever since with the passage of the Bank Secrecy Act, which is what kickstarted this whole KYC anti-money laundering thing. We then have HSAs, which are also digital programmable money. It's something where, and I would argue partially a social credit score as well. Well, based on IRS tax code, What is it? you can allocate a certain percentage of your money to go into a bank account that can only be used to buy certain predefined healthcare expenses and products that are as determined by a combination of government and people in the industry. People actually believe this

is a free market solution. I've talked to people like, oh, I have true free market choice, I have HSAs. sell you on a social credit It's not gonna be hard to system or CBDCs, you're already using one. And you believe that it's freedom. So that's how that already works. So we have this. The solution to this is something called Freedom Dollar, which is one of the, fantastic applications of Zeno, one of I think the most which is Freedom Dollar is a privacy stable coin. It's pegged to the dollar. So one Freedom Dollar, their ticker symbol is FUSD,

One FUSD equals one US dollar, but it's not backed by US treasuries. It's what's called an algorithmic stable coin. It's backed by Zeno. It's backed by over collateralized Zeno. So what you get are the benefits of having something priced in dollars without funding government charity, without the tracking, without the censorship. So this is a phenomenal application and a great idea and example of something that can be tokenized. I'm going to play a short video that shows you how you can swap for Freedom Dollar. Let me see if I can pop this up here. Well, I thought I had it up here.

A lot of... Well, I might not. I've uploaded this. Keep in mind, I'm going to show you a website that has links to all of this, and it's going to eventually have how-to guides as well as videos for all of this. And so I don't seem to have uploaded this video, but it shows it's very easy. You can actually swap Zaino for FreedomDollar right within the mobile wallet. There's no third party necessary. It actually uses a P-to-P exchange. and you can do it right there yourself in the wallet there are also many other ways that you can buy

fusd swap for fusd it's now listed on many different exchanges and so I will do a dedicated episode just on fusd but again this is my kind of opening introduction to this So then people will say to me, well, it's an algorithmic stable coin. That means it's dependent upon the value of Zeno. Aren't you worried about this? People will talk about there have been other stable coins that didn't do well, like Terra Luna. And this isn't structured like that in any way, shape, or form. This isn't an interest-bearing thing. stablecoin and in fact it's over collateralized there's actually more xeno backing it than the you know there's more than one dollars worth of xeno backing one dollars worth

of fusd and there are mechanisms in place to make sure that that peg is maintained this is the only time I'm going to talk about price because I don't usually talk about price with xeno because I actually don't want this to be a number go up thing in fact it's better if you know that just having speculators come in and out um this project is largely people that are that are dedicated to privacy and freedom but I want to explain an aspect of xeno that's really important so there's no fixed supply of xeno there's one new xeno minted every minute so the block time for xeno is one minute so there are new transactions added every one minute bitcoin is every ten minutes

But the fees are burnt. So the fees actually come out of the supply. So every time a transaction is done, you spend point zero one Zeno. And so there's one created every minute. When you do the math, basically what this means is once Zeno gets to one hundred and forty four thousand transactions per day, it becomes deflationary. meaning you're burning more supply than you're actually creating with the minting of one per minute. So what this means is, when you want to think about this from a pricing perspective, the more people are using Zeno, the more people are using FUSD and all of the other applications,

using Zeno itself, using all of the other things tokenized on Zeno, At some point, the supply starts to go down as the demand is going up. So there's a built-in economic argument here that says, hey, this actually makes sense. If people are actually using this and are actually engaging in these privacy tokenization solutions, then the price is going to go up just based on use, independent of... whatever's going on from a speculative perspective. When I got involved, the price was two dollars. And as of today, let me look it up. It's near its all time high. you can check this out at there's a site called

coinmarketcap.com if you're new to crypto you can see all this so the price now is seventeen dollars and seventeen cents so it's up you know over eight hundred percent since I got involved in it and yet the market cap is still under two hundred and fifty million dollars so you know what I like to say to people is that you know if there's there's a lot more room for growth I mean if this truly is one of the main solutions in fighting technocracy, then I think the market cap, it's barely in the top three hundred of coins. So there's a lot of room. So I'm not going to give you any investment advice. But what I have learned with stuff like this is if I don't say it,

I encourage you to research this. And I encourage you to research it soon because I don't like it when people are like, what did you tell me? Or you could have told me. I'm telling you now to look into it. I'm telling you now to download a wallet and to start using it and to learn how it works. But understand that once I show you all these applications that weren't there a year ago, there's nothing but momentum, massive momentum behind the project and the entire ecosystem. so um so anyway that's the the quick the quick overview on that there may be some slides here that are a bit out of sequence but uh this is the best privacy alternative to

stable coins it's the best of all worlds you get to price things in dollars you don't have to deal with third parties and you don't have to fund and u.s treasuries and war in tyranny around the world the next area that I'm going to go into the next kind of threat counter relates to an issue with these public blockchains the most popular blockchains and most popular cryptos are bitcoin and ethereum and there are real problems with this that people are not paying attention to these are open public ledgers people can see all of your transactions there are organizations dedicated to finding people's transaction

information and collecting it collating it making it available for others for law enforcement and others so there's a xeno solution to this called confidential layer and before I'm going to show you a couple of short videos about confidential layer but I want to further drive home why it's important So let's take Bitcoin as an example. And I have this conversation with people all the time. Well, they can't stop Bitcoin. They can't censor Bitcoin. OK. But they can track all of your transactions. And then they can come to you with guns and they can say, unless you turn over your private keys, you're going to spend the rest of your life in prison. And it turns out most people don't.

take the moral high ground of, oh, okay, well, I'm going to spend the rest of my life in prison, but you're not going to get my private keys. So if you look at the list of governments that have Bitcoin, the US has almost two hundred thousand Bitcoin. China has almost two hundred thousand Bitcoin. Well, how did they get it? Did they buy it on the open market? Did they mine it? No, they did not. They stole it using civil asset forfeiture. Some of our friends make up a big chunk of this US civil reserve, or however you want to call it. Ross Ulbrich being one of the largest suppliers of this but I mean ian has it was like five million dollars worth of bitcoin but it was a couple

of years ago so I don't know what that is now ten fifteen million dollars worth of bitcoin as part of the the us quote reserves and the government came back and said well we're not going to buy more bitcoin but they're going to continue using civil asset forfeiture so understand what this means I I you know I'm not going to go through the long discourse about hijacking bitcoin i Highly encourage everyone to read Hijacking Bitcoin by Roger Ver and Steve Patterson. It's a great book. And there's more, and I've augmented some of this. The hijacking of Bitcoin, it's an ongoing process with multiple parties getting in there and getting their cut. Bitcoin was supposed to be

peer-to-peer digital cash that people use outside of central authorities, outside of central banks. And then it was hijacked. And now the narrative is it's digital gold. You're never supposed to spend it. You're not even supposed to have it in your own custody. You're supposed to use BlackRock and ETFs and everything else. It's a complete hijacking. And in many ways, I actually call it hijacked, non-fungible digital surveillance gold. I mean, the reason that I say that is because one, it is trackable and because it's trackable, government can flag that these bitcoin are in a bad category these are in a good category in fact they've done this where they've said well your

bitcoin were mixed in with these other bitcoin that were involved in illicit activities and so now we're going to flag those you can't spend those that means it's not fungible one bitcoin is not the same as another bitcoin and as you dig more into how much they're tracking this I important I don't even mean this is this is understand the position of people right now they're like oh yeah this is freedom money who are you going to trade with When your stuff is flagged and when they come to you, what are you going to do? You're going to fall on the sword because you still have your private keys? It's absurd. Also, I do want to say the twenty one million supply cap is what's used for why it's

this great store of value. They have destroyed the economic incentive system of Bitcoin. Remember, supposed to be used for it was something that was day-to-day transactions at high volume. When you read the discussion board, Satoshi Nakamoto, the anonymous creator, talked about how right away it's something that should be competing with Visa and MasterCard doing like twenty five thousand transactions, like real transaction volume. So the way this works is miners that are doing this proof of work, they get rewards every ten minutes. those rewards get smaller over time I think they started out at fifty bitcoin per ten minutes and then they have every four years and then you know

there's a maximum cap but the whole purpose of the rewards was to provide an incentive for miners while it's getting ramped up and before there's transaction volume but the real economic model for miners was supposed to be transaction fees not block rewards Well, what happened was essentially the people that hijacked Bitcoin capped it, artificially capped it. So Bitcoin can't really do more than seven transactions per second. So it has high fees and it's slow. Well, what this means is miners can't really make that much money on transaction fees and they're not making much money on transaction fees. People aren't really using Bitcoin. These blocks aren't even full, even at this small level.

So at some point, you have companies that are investing hundreds of mining operations and now millions of dollars in having to deal with all of the increased energy costs due to AI and so on and so forth. And they're basically just buying lottery tickets with the hope and expectation able to solve the math that they're going to be problems and get part of these rewards. They're not even doing it for transaction fees. So unless the Ponzi keeps going, unless people keep speculating, you're going to find miners are going out of business. And then all of a sudden it becomes less secure. And then the probability of there being what's called a fifty one percent attack increases.

So what they're going to do, have to do, it's already been talked about by Peter Todd, one of the early developers, is increase the supply from twenty one million. So people have bought this SIOP that something that was supposed to be digital cash was digital gold and that there will only be twenty one million of it. And it's not true. So further to this point, you actually have something called chain analysis. And I've spoken about this before. This is an organization that fourteen that actually was founded in twenty works directly with law enforcement agencies around the world. They work with exchanges and they basically compile people's transactions. And I've encountered this

personally a couple of times this year where people were in either a dispute with a business partner or were going through a divorce. And it turns out private investigators now get certification in chain analysis. They get trained on this. They get access to the database tools. So in some cases now, you can get more of someone's transaction history through Bitcoin than you can a bank because usually a bank only retains seven years worth of records. You get the entire transaction history on Bitcoin. So this is a real serious problem and people are not paying attention to it so in addition to that in addition to the government snooping and there are other people nick fuentes

fuentes had a large amount of bitcoin confiscated he kept it on an exchange um but over and over again this is turning out to be a real problem and because of how much time and attention is spent mapping out these transactions some people will say well I've never used an exchange so it doesn't matter yeah but if you engaged in a transaction with somebody and that person was raided by the government there's a pretty good chance that they were asked to turn over who their counterparties are when they turned over who the counterparties are that information goes into the database and all it takes is one transaction and you can figure out somebody's transaction history. And so while there are

things you can do to mitigate against this, it's not practical by and large for most people. And most people are not able to kind of escape out of this. In addition to this financial risk, there are increasingly kidnappings and murders related to Bitcoin holdings. Because people can find out, oh, this person has this many Bitcoin, they're literally going into their house and kidnapping them at gunpoint or knife point. Multiple examples of murders that have happened. There was a case in the Ukraine where there was a twenty nine year old guy who was forced to transfer. This was in July of twenty twenty four,

forced to transfer one hundred and seventy thousand dollars for the Bitcoin. Then he was murdered. You then have an example in, I believe this is the Philippines, where a CEO was kidnapped and he paid the ransom and they murdered him anyway. So this is increasingly happening, right? And so, I mean, think about all of the people that have access to these tools now. you think maybe there are some I mean, private investigators that lack scruples, people that have access to some of this technology. information from chain analysis so what I'm trying to say is bitcoin is not what you think it is it's not safe oh my my wife is telling me that the volume is reduced I don't know if

I'm anyway hopefully that's better I turned it up a little bit um so it's not safe it's not safe from third parties it's not safe from competitors it's not safe physically So the solution for this is confidential layer. I'm going to play a short video that describes how it works. I don't want to go into too many of the technical details because, again, it's pretty hardcore technology. But here's a quick overview. With the Confidential Layer Bridge, powered by the Bridgeless blockchain, you can move crypto assets like Bitcoin and Ethereum onto Zano's blockchain, upgrading them with Zano's strong privacy features. So how does it work? In this example, we'll use Ethereum. First,

the user locks their Ether on the Ethereum blockchain using a smart contract. Validators then monitor the source chain and detect the deposit. A cryptographic witness of the deposit is created and posted to the Bridgeless blockchain. This witness commits to the deposit while revealing as little information as possible. Later, it's used to authorize the withdrawal on the target chain, Zano in our example. The bridge uses a Threshold Signature Scheme, or TSS. A key is generated in a distributed way, with each signer holding only a share. When a withdrawal is requested, a minimum number of signers collaborate to create a single standard elliptic curve signature without

ever exposing their private key shares to each other so that no central authority ever has access to the locked funds. After the witness is verified, the system mints a wrapped version of the asset on the Zano blockchain, backed one-to-one by the original asset locked on its native chain. This private version of Ether is then sent to the user's Zano address. Congratulations, now you have a private version of your Ether on Zano. You can use it there quietly and securely. And if you want, move it back to the Ethereum blockchain anytime. It's like having the best of both worlds, privacy and flexibility.

So this is a big solution. I mean, this actually unlocks two point seven trillion dollars worth of value. At least last time I checked, that was the combined market cap of bitcoin and ethereum and it's actually not just bitcoin ethereum it's also bnb and die and tether and there are other blockchains being added I don't know if it's solano or whatever but the point is that this allows you to take your completely transparent unsafe blockchains and bridge them into xeno and then have all of the privacy of xeno and the ability to then spend them in a way that's also low fees because xeno actually has a lower fee structure than than ethereum and bitcoin as well so this has been one of the other

that one of the reasons the problems with bitcoin is whole thing fell apart there are the block size wars and everything else is that they didn't scale it the way they were supposed to and so the transaction fees were thirty forty fifty dollars and then people couldn't afford to use it to buy a cup of coffee or engage in day-to-day transactions which is really important when you know that seventy less than ten dollars percent of the world makes a day now you're going to be able to take that that value that stored value and you're going to be able to make it private and spendable in an economic way so so again these are two huge examples freedom dollar which which goes

straight after this whole stablecoin cbdc thing so that it counters that threat and now confidential layer which targets and counters the threat of transparent surveillable digital assets So I'm going to move into the next counter and threat, which is related to just simple commerce itself. There are many examples. I actually had a hard time getting ChatGPT to even generate this image, but of where people have been deplatformed from retail sites. This has happened often with Amazon, where people have been banned eBay. where people have been kicked off that platform and Shopify.

I mean, you can think of the MyPillow guy. There are examples of people that are in different categories like guns, so on and so forth. I mean, there's actual heavy censorship that goes on for commerce itself, where you may be a small business and you may be doing something that's even completely legal, but you end up getting censored by large corporations. So there are a couple of counters there. to that, um, that let me, uh, I'm going to share out my browser. I'm not going to spend a lot of these sites and like of time going through each walking through all of it. Like I said, I will end up doing, uh, walkthroughs and guides on each of these offerings.

But for right now, I'm going to show you, there's this, let me see if, uh, Hopefully this pops up. There's a little bit of lag. Let me see here. This is, yeah, you can see this. Okay. Okay. This is Xanazon. So kind of a play off of Amazon, but this is an online retailer where you can purchase products directly using Xano. So this is a fairly new offering, but I think an exciting one. And you can go and take a look yourself at Zanazon.com and take a look at the different products that are available. And again, I'm just saying this is new as

of like a month ago. So everything that I'm showing you, Freedom Dollar, Confidential Lair, all of this stuff is like the last ninety days. This is partially why I'm so excited and wanted to make sure to have this episode, which is to really showcase that, hey, we have real stuff here. This is actually happening, and we're ready for prime time. show you is Zano Bay. The next thing I'm going to And Zano Bay, as you can imagine, is like a version of eBay, except built on Zano. So this allows you to buy and sell products. So you can actually log in, A lot of people say to me, well, create your own account.

how do I earn Zano? And one thing you can do is you can go on to Zano Bay and you can post products or services. that you want to sell through this environment. And I will say that Zeno Bay accepts both Zeno and Freedom Dollar. And I haven't checked on this lately, but again, moving forward, you're going to be able to spend your private tokenized versions of Bitcoin and Ethereum as well. So this is going to open up. So in other words, if you're thinking, well, hey, I have a store, why would I want to take Zeno? xeno and the tokens created on xeno so now this gives you access to private you know bitcoin private ethereum fusd the whole nine yards and so this is a

fairly new offering as well and you you can see I mean somebody's selling an ultra luxury seven bedroom villa somebody's selling a yacht somebody's you know sunglasses people are selling services One other interesting thing about XanoBay is that it has PGP encryption. So you can actually sign up and communicate, the buyers and sellers can communicate in a way that is completely encrypted. So this is another exciting tool. We then have, so I want to talk a bit about NFTs. So when most people in crypto think about NFTs, they think about pictures of apes or whatever,

digital art collections. Or maybe they think about meme coins, although arguably meme coins maybe aren't non-fungible. But non-fungible just means that they're unique. They're unique tokens. You know, for instance, you know, you have in the traditional world things like Ticketmaster where you're buying a specific ticket. row a seat seven right it's they're they're non-fungible not all tickets are are the same they're unique well everything that is non-fungible and this could apply to you can see a list here everything from land deeds to event access to membership tokens concert

tickets even certification for for things like education did you pass this class or not They can be used for gated access to events. There are a lot of applications for NFTs, for non-fungible tokens that are tied to real world assets. So you can move outside of this, just thinking about this as pictures of apes. In fact, I'm looking to integrate Zeno. I may include this as kind of a reward system for some of the sites that I'm working on. If you complete this course, you get this NFT. And then that NFT gives you access to other courses. It may give you access to discounts for events. A lot of things that you can do. with NFTs.

And so there are problems with NFTs. Even the Apes model, the digital art collection, there have been issues where most of those are minted on Ethereum and it's public and it's trackable and people have been hijacked and threatened with violence for their NFTs. Because if this Ape NFT is worth seven million dollars and everybody knows about it, Now you're a target. So Obscura Art is a Zano project that allows you to mint NFTs. But I want you to not think about it as just I'm going to create this, you know, JPEG of things. These NFTs could be used to represent twenty million dollar pieces of art, certificates of authority, certificates of authenticity.

I am going to put together, I'll probably do sooner rather than later, a whole overview of the different kinds of non-fungible tokens use cases that you can create. So I'm encouraging you to get out of just the digital art aspect of this and think about it. from the perspective of the technocrats are tokenizing everything. They're tokenizing things that are fungible, like stock certificates and money, but they will also be tokenizing things that are non-fungible. So we need a counter to that. And Obscura Art is one solution to that. And it's pretty easy to use. You go to the site, you actually can log in with your wallet and that's how you connect in. And then you can actually

create and mint the NFT through your wallet, and then it shows up in your wallet. So it's a pretty clever project. And I will be talking more about that in the weeks and months ahead. So there's that. Then we have the next threat is the threat of centralized exchanges. And if you're new to crypto... One piece of advice that I will give you is never leave any crypto on an exchange. And if you can avoid it, never deal with an exchange at all. Why? Well, there are a variety of reasons. now they're increasingly heavily One, regulated. A lot of these exchanges, particularly in the United States,

they're giving up data to the IRS. They're giving up data to federal government agencies. You have to go through intense know your customer biometric screening. There can be delays. The customer service is awful. But on top of that, there's no, you know, I'm pretty sure most of these exchanges are fractional reserve. if everybody went to take In other words, their coins off of the exchange, you'd find out they're not all there. There is no requirement, not that I would advocate for regulation, but the ability of these exchanges to provide audited proof of reserves has been, we'll just say lacking. On top of that, most of the big crypto exchanges over time have failed for a variety of

reasons one being they've been hacked or there have been rug pulls uh you go back to the very first you know mount gox was really the most popular exchange way back in the day and they had a hacking situation where where people were just getting paid out last year I mean this was something that took ten years to figure out now by the way on that it kind of is an interesting story the Chainalysis guy started, actually, I believe he was a co-founder of Kraken, which is another exchange. And he went off and started Chainalysis to try to track down and figure out what happened with the Mt. Gox hack. And then that became this entire business. So it's now been around for like,

and now they're documenting all of this stuff. So that's just a little bit of history. Of course, we have FTX in the scheme of FTX. You have Quadriga, which was an exchange in Canada where the founder, mysteriously died allegedly of like Crohn's disease in India and somehow managed to be the only guy with access to the keys for the entire exchange. It goes on and on and on. So centralized exchanges are problematic. Plus, you know, there's the transparency issue as well. So there's a Zeno P to P exchange, which I will just show you a screenshot of you, but you can go and take a look at it. yourself you can go to trade.xeno.org and this is

where you can take your tokens uh and put them up for sale and and price them and have people bid but there's no third party so you go on there and at one point I think I tokenized a a gold back and went on there and and somebody bought the gold back through a completely decentralized exchange No third parties. And my understanding is that I think they're doing a refresh on this. But it's, again, the one thing that you're going to find with these Zeno projects is that they're private and that there are solutions that facilitate commerce that don't involve third parties and that add in some cases like in the case of uh xano bay pgp encryption for

communication a lot of other exciting things somebody said can audio be minted uh an nft on xeno so uh the way that I saw it uses something called ipfs what I saw had a limit of twenty five megabytes which it doesn't have to be limited to twenty five megabytes because it's not you're not actually putting the audio or the JPEG or whatever the thing is. If it's a legal document, for instance, it on the blockchain itself you're not actually putting and slowing down the network. It's using this interplanetary file system, which is a decentralized way of of storing information that can also be encrypted so if it's

under megabytes you may be able to do it right now and and I suspect if there was a big use case for it that megabyte threshold could be increased I mean my kids actually I used to to spend a lot of time on the ravencoin blockchain which I still like it's just that it's not private And my kids were minting their own NFTs when they were ten. I know my daughter, I think, sold the first ever NFT on that blockchain. And my son created these like three D NFTs that were pretty cool. But again, those aren't the best use cases of NFTs, but you can do those things. You can do those right now. You can go to Obscura.art and you can start minting NFTs up to twenty five megabytes today.

So the next part of this actually speaks to communication. So what is the threat? the threat is everything that we've Well, seen with the censorship industrial complex, everything that we learned post-COVID. we probably already suspected it I mean, about how the big tech platforms have been infiltrated. But I would argue now we actually don't have free speech now either. algorithms are more subtle. It's just that the So we actually have the illusion of free speech. And of course, people can still get kicked off of and do get kicked off of these big networks or their reaches is hobbled or or they're shadow banned in a way that they don't even know that they're shadow banned that still happens

by the way just you know try going viral on a any kind of post about the central bank or with federal reserve in the title I I guarantee I've talked to some other people like chris martinson and others that it's very clear there are still very much terms are shadow banned and I wouldn't be surprised knowing how elon likes to be selective that and pro-technocracy that he's knowing that he's going to uh if he's not already suppressing any content related to that but when we learned I I actually did a series of videos when covid first started like in march of I did this whole series I was doing a daily podcast for a while Where I was trying to tell people, hey,

start moving into these decentralized tools, get out of big tech. They're not going to let us talk during COVID. And of course, the irony is about one week in, I had like five thousand followers here. I had one hundred and fifty thousand followers through the various channels. And my reach was capped at fifty by like day four. So I stopped doing the podcast because literally I couldn't reach anybody. But how ironic because I was trying to get people to use Odyssey. I was trying to get people to use Signal. I was trying to get people to use crypto and a whole variety of things. So Zeno has a solution for that as well. And that is something that I'm not going to walk through.

I don't even have a specific thing for it, but is you can actually use your wallet to log into Matrix. And Matrix is a decentralized communication platform. So you can remain anonymous using your Zeno wallet as a login for that. And I don't know if I actually... Did I get the slide in here? No. I actually had a slide on this comparing it. It's even better than Nostr because Nostr may be censorship resistant, but it's not private. You can take a bunch of steps to make it private. But frankly, the idea that you're... Attaching your name to your communications and a permanent record seems to me to be a little bit counterintuitive. So the combination of Xano

and Matrix gives you a communications tool that you can use to remain anonymous. So I think that's probably, unfortunately, going to become more and more important as time moves on. Oh, that was loud. So I'm going to show you this website that I've created in a couple of different ways here. Let me see if I can pop this back up. Okay. So the website that I've created, this is still alpha. It's called freedomforge.io.

And the reason that I created this site is twofold. One, it's to create a place that people can go to to view how-to guides and to learn about how to use Zeno. Now, it's rough. Some of the content is actually not even accurate content. So I warn you on that. It is an alpha version. But I want to give you an example of what you can do with this. This is the right thing. So you're going to be able to, and this is where I said I'm going to add eventually maybe even NFTs into here, but you can log in.

You do need to log in. See if the login even works. Of course, I have this on another browser. All right. You know what? I'm going to come back to this because this might take me doing a little bit of shuffling that's going to take some time.

Anyway, the high level overview here is that you're going to be able to, go through and pick a wallet for instance, and you'll be able to see where you can buy Zaino. So, for instance, now there are a number of major wallets that offer Zaino. A year ago or when I started this, literally the only wallets that existed were the desktop wallet that you download on your computer. the mobile wallet created by the xeno team since then it's been added by cake wallet which is a phenomenal wallet that really started out as privacy focused really with monero bitcoin.com wallet which is one of the most downloaded wallets there is this I think there have been over fifty million downloads of the

bitcoin.com wallet and then edge wallet which is uh another very user-friendly features that are that are wallet that has a lot of definitely great for onboarding uh new people to xeno so so there are millions and millions of people now that already have a multi-asset wallet and can now uh use not only xeno but also tokens created on xeno so you can use these wallets with freedom dollar you can use these wallets with private Bitcoin, private Ethereum. So this is a pretty huge thing. And so what the website goes through, and again, I'll tweak it rather than go through and debug the site live. You can pick a wallet and then it shows you the different places that you can go to buy Zeno.

There are a number of different ways you can get Zeno. You can buy it using a credit card or a debit card. There are a couple of options for that. One is called Gardarian. where it is KYC. You still have to go through the KYC process, but you can buy Zeno directly. And the other is DFX, which was just launched recently. recently where again you can purchase it I believe even using apple pay or google pay and in fact through that relationship you can now in switzerland and in europe you can actually buy groceries at a grocery store directly using xeno so it walks through that walks through how you can buy it directly one of the other ways that you can get xeno is by swapping for

xeno and I recommend using a non-kyc service and so all of this is going to be in these guides that you're going to have access to through FreedomForge.io. So it'll explain, here's how to buy it, here's how to swap for it. And then we've already talked about ways you can earn Zeno by selling products and services to these various things. And then I would say the least preferred option, at least if you're in the United States, is to use an exchange. But if you are going to use an exchange, I would recommend buying a stable coin and then using a non-KYC service to swap. for for xeno so the site will have guides for that in addition to that there's a there's an area a guide

for how to become onboarded want to accept xeno there as a merchant so if you are a few options for that as well there's something called xeno.cash which is a really easy to use point of sale system There's something I created that's a plugin for WooCommerce. So if you're using WordPress and you're using WooCommerce, you can now, through this plugin, also accept Zeno. And I'm working on, at some point in the priority here, also adding FreedomDollar and PrivateBitcoin and Ethereum. And so there are going to be And eventually I'm going to guides for everything. have guides for here's a guide for confidential layer. Here's a guide specific for freedom dollars.

So that's one part of what I'm doing with the FreedomForge site. I'm going to get to another application for it in a second, but I want to finish up with what already exists in the Zeno ecosystem before I talk about what doesn't exist but we can build and what some of the economic opportunities are. This is a really cool development that just happened a week or so ago. And if you don't know, I've actually been living on crypto gold and silver since so I stopped using a personal bank account and so the way that I go about doing that is obviously there aren't take crypto directly so that many merchants that

sometimes you have to either buy gift cards or you have to use a crypto debit card um you know as the fallback fallback option but until recently I I would have to swap xeno for another cryptocurrency that could be loaded onto a debit card. Now, with this relationship with ZBIC, I can actually load Zeno or Freedom Dollar directly to a MasterCard that is in either my Google Pay wallet or my Apple Pay wallet. And then I can use that touch to pay. It's very light. There's no full KYC process. I mean, I think presumably you should give your correct address, but it's not a full KYC process.

There's a limit of a thousand dollars at a time that you can load. I think that's just in one shot. I think you may be able to do multiple, but the thing that's great multiple loads, about it is it's, it's more or less infinite. That was somebody point out here. According to alchemy pay also support Zeno. Yeah. I mean, again, I, I, The funny thing is a year ago, I had nothing to talk about in terms of the ecosystem. And now I couldn't even possibly go through everything. So I'm just going to give a sampling, but eventually I'll go through every single one of these, including alchemy pay. But now. Now I can just top up my MasterCard and use it instantly without having to swap.

And it's really a game changer. So now I'm almost a hundred percent Zeno and Freedom Dollar. I'm not even having to swap for I mean, other coins. So this is... And a lot of people are going to say, well, yeah, but that's not, you know, you're still dealing with third parties. And that's true. And I didn't have the slide in here this time, but I'm upgrading the slide. The way that I present this is there are kind of two things. There's a freedom index and there's a tyranny index. So to understand, and you can think about this in terms of like a DEF CON system. So the technocrats are, their end goal is there's a single person global digital currency based on energy credits.

And it's tied into this whole AI surveillance sort of a credit system. But they're not getting there in one step. They're doing it piece by piece. So they started by adding know your customer laws. They started by heavily regulating the existing dollar, which by the way is largely digital. Then they did the backdoor CBDC with stable coins. And so they're marching towards their whole state. Our end state is, sure, we would like people to be just using wallets and engaging in peer to peer trade without debit cards or gift cards. But we're not going to get there all at once either. So it's actually helpful just because it now gets people downloading Zaino wallets, holding Zaino,

becoming comfortable with using Zaino in a variety of different ways. And then eventually it's kind of like me. I'm not a hundred percent peer to peer. I use these debit cards, but I'm increasingly shifting more of my transactions. I will favor a business that will take Zaino directly over one that will not. And so my percentage that's going complete peer to peer is increasing over time. So tools like this are incredibly helpful. I'm going to play a short video from Brie Teresi where she shows her experience using her Hey guys, I'm at a coffee shop and I want

to show you how easy it is to use Zaino or Freedom Dollar wherever you go, simply through Apple Pay. So I have my MasterCard right here. This is loaded up with Freedom Dollar and I'm literally just going to tap and pay and this transaction will be totally private. Perfecto. Totally private. It tastes so much better when it's private. So that is really helpful for adoption. So there you go. I mean, really easy for people to I think it's going to make it begin the transition out of fiat or transparent blockchains more into this. And as I mentioned, there was this relationship

announced with DFX where you will now be able to buy Zeno with a credit card, Apple Pay, or bank transfer. And you can actually sell it back to fiat seamlessly. And then you can actually spend Zeno and I believe Freedom Dollar as well at a hundred plus bar supermarkets. And these are mostly in Switzerland. I think maybe all in Switzerland or some outside So these last two things of Switzerland. that I've talked about, these announcements are within the last two weeks to give you a sense of how much acceleration there is for adoption broadly so I want to recap this by saying you know so where are we today so the reason

I think that's really important that we're talking about this right now is none of this is coming soon we can do all of things these things right now you can use a private stablecoin you can make your bitcoin and ethereum private and spendable through confidential layer, which opens up two and a half trillion dollars worth of spending. You can off ramp directly to a MasterCard debit card without huge KYC requirements. You can buy and sell anything in a marketplace in Zanobay. You can trade privacy tokens that are created on Zeno using a P to P exchange with no third parties. You can do atomic swaps. Actually Zeno calls them ionic swaps where you can actually swap tokens wallet

to wallet with no third party. You can buy gift cards anonymously. You can communicate anonymously through the integration of Zeno, the Zeno wallet with matrix. You can create private NFTs with Obscura. You can play a decentralized lottery. And you can send encrypted messages with your payments through Xanobay. And you can also buy through... So this is a pretty big Xanazon. subset of things that you can already do today. Again, just from when I first started, you couldn't do any of these things. The only thing you could do is you could kind of create a token in a wallet.

And there were really only two wallets. And so now we are ready for mass adoption. And I would argue we need mass adoption. So I'm not... saying all of this from the standpoint of go out and I'm saying what I'm buy a bunch of it, frustrated with is that I don't sense a sense of urgency anywhere, even within the crypto space. So when you measure out how fast technocracy is accelerating, we need to be going about a hundred times faster than we're going right now. So this is one of those, you know, if you're looking at this like, well, yeah, I'll think about it. And then you just put it aside. I would encourage you to just download a wallet, take a step. Now go to the freedomforge.io site and,

and start doing, doing something. Now I'm going to pivot a little bit from what you can do today to what we need to be able to do to counter more of these threats. And the way that I look at the technocracy movement is you can imagine a energy credit, global digital currency, and then you can take these seventeen sustainable development goals of the UN and look at those as elements of the social credit system. And when you dig into these things, they really want to regulate every asset on earth. They want to regulate the land, the air, the sea. And when you dig under the hood of what all of these things mean, and this is part of what's actually going in the book is I've actually kind of

reverse engineered. I've looked at these seventeen sustainable development goals and I've said, well, what does this look like? What would you be penalizing and rewarding in a social credit system that's tied And so I view this as this is what we are. to energy credit? really up against so what do we need to counter that and this is where you know hopefully this part of the website does work um on freedomforged.io I've put together this threat counter library which other people can contribute to. And so the point of this is I want to start describing what the threat is and then what it is that can be built on Zeno.

things that are already live, So this is going to record like Freedom Dollar as a counter to CBDCs and regulated stablecoins, but as well a running library and others can contribute to this library you can submit threats you can submit counters and the whole point on this is to stimulate activity and to ultimately hopefully connect people to build these projects as I said I'm willing to incubate some of these projects if no one else does or advise projects or not be involved at all but just educate people on what needs to be built because this stuff has to be built for instance when you think about the way technocracy marches forward, it moves forward one emergency at a time.

And no matter what the emergency is, whether it's nine eleven or covid, we get more financial surveillance, we get more overall surveillance, and that surveillance never goes away. So the next time there's an emergency, it's even easier for them to add something because they've got more tracking and they've been kind of backing us into a corner. And so in my opinion, I'll just say as an example, I mean, I think we have clearly public health tyranny. And, you know, again, I'm not going to go into why I don't think we're going to fix it politically, just based on the whole nature of public health itself. But one thing that we can do to counter public health tyranny is to build a

global peer-to-peer health care marketplace, to build a global marketplace for medical tourism. If you actually research how much it costs to get various procedures done around the world, you'll find that if you shop around, you can get a discount of like ninety to ninety five percent. And I'm not talking about simply cosmetic procedures. I'm talking about heart transplants. I'm talking about hip replacements. The example that I gave is that there was a woman in California who found that it was cheaper to go to Thailand for a week and get a root canal than pay her copay in California for her dentist. The healthcare system is actually that bad. It truly is that ridiculous.

And it's only getting worse. But people's eyes aren't open to or they're not even thinking that anything is possible outside of the existing system. So you could create a marketplace where people are buying and selling healthcare related services and you could have a reputation management system based on the alias structure. So you now have an ability to create a completely alternative healthcare system separate from government, separate from insurance, that's global in nature that has a reputation management system. You could also build and use nfts or a whole variety of different ways to come up with ways to pool resources to help you know fund medical expenses There are, so again,

what I like to do is look at, when you actually consider how healthcare works in this country, if you started from scratch, it would be impossible to come up with something as corrupt and expensive and damaging to health as what we have in the United States. You literally couldn't come up with it. I mean, I can't even imagine what, unless your set of principles were, I want to build a death cult, You could not engineer what we have today. So there's an opportunity to build this medical tourism thing. And I'm probably... This is one where unless somebody else comes in and builds it, I'll actually create a prototype. I'll create a website that works and everything else.

Not that I have time to run. I don't have time to run a whole bunch of this stuff. But I want to make this tangible for people because... So many people said, oh, you live on crypto. how am I going to be able to live Well, outside of the current system? And what I'm saying to you is everything that exists in the centralized world and everything that the technocrats are planning can be recreated. So the amount of economic opportunity and the amount of things that you can build privately through Zeno is literally infinite. You could build a public health marketplace. Well, there's already a You could build it. private stablecoin you could build a global peer-to-peer food marketplace you want

to be able to buy raw milk you can do this you could do this using xeno again you can have a reputation management system you can you can bring in you can use escrow agreements so this is where I'm going to buy some raw milk all right you know we put fifty dollars into an escrow agreement we wait until the transaction is complete then there's a reputation management system built on top of that you pick the industry you pick the category and you can build something like that on xeno so I've just put a couple of these up here and I encourage and I'm encouraging people to to sign up and to submit your own threats and again my focus is you can build things that are not just focused on counters to

technocratic threats you can build whatever you want I mean we've got a lottery you could build a prediction market I mean there's there's you're not limited by just my lens of counters to technocratic threats. But I do think that unless we solve healthcare and food, these are the traps that in an emergency, when they get to that final point where it's like, okay, we're moving completely to this digital prison system, people are going to be like, well, how am I going to be able to get healthcare? That's the thing people say. How am I going to get healthcare? How am I going to get food? Well, the thing is we can create those systems. We can solve all of those problems.

But we have to do it now. We really don't have time. And I hope if anybody disagrees with my assessment with how fast technocracy is going, I'd love to hear it. And I'd love to discuss it because we don't have a lot of time. So we need early adopters to start building these things. And we need to refine them. There's so much work that gets involved. If you're going to do a medical... You have to have somebody marketplace. that has contacts that's willing to reach out to these people to sign, you know, to sign these people up and to start, you know, facilitating these transactions and to get it going so that by the time that emergency happens, you know, where people were like, well,

yeah, you know, vaccine because I'm going I'm going to get the to lose my job if I don't. If you actually give them something where they can see, oh, hey, there is a valid alternative. I actually don't have to take this dystopian thing. Here's this other thing. millions of people are already using it it's cheaper I can preserve my free will I can preserve my freedom but we need a lot of people building and so so part of the freedom forge thing is to build again a library of different things and to help facilitate and connect people to uh to these different projects and maybe to fund some of these projects you know I can't fund that many projects but I can if you're interested in also

co-investing along these things then there's you know a form there as well but what I'm saying is we need to rapidly incubate and build as many of these counters to the technocratic threat as possible and I've built this website to be not only a guide for explaining how xeno works but a place to consolidate our efforts there as well and I'm bringing back the workshops I've waited on this because I was doing the workshops and you know Getting people signed up with a couple of privacy coins and wallets is great, but we didn't have any merchant solutions. But now, if I do the workshop, first of all, I want to make most of the material available for free online so as many people

can access it as possible. I'm not trying to maximize profit on any of the workshops, but the workshops that we do, I want to make maybe a combination of, all right, here's how you... Acquire and use Zeno as a customer. Here's for merchants, a track where in the workshop, we will sign you up and get you integrated so that your business is taking Zeno. Then there's another track where with entrepreneurs, we're meeting and discussing and connecting people to actually build out some of these counters or to build other entrepreneurial projects on top of Zeno. And then the last area is I'm toying with, and I'm not sure how to do this, is maybe even to have hackathons Where at an event,

maybe we even do industry-themed events. Maybe we do an event around a healthcare-focused, for instance, workshop. And we bring in people that want to buy services, people that want to sell and accept this. And then we have a hackathon for people to participate. to work on building out a medical tourism marketplace. So that's where I'm thinking about going with this is really kind of deepening the connections and trying to get other people really excited about the fact that we really can build these counters. I am not, you know, I am not black. I am blackpilled on government. I'm certainly blackpilled on technocracy, but I am not blackpilled on the fact that we have free will.

And I'm very excited about the fact that with Zeno, we actually have a platform. that empowers people to be able to build these counters and to build other innovative solutions that protect free will and promote economic freedom around the world. So let's see. In closing, everything that they control control can be built free, decentralized, and everything they want to and private. The tools are ready. Again, I couldn't be more excited about Zeno after having spent this amount of time with the team and using it.

I think that it's I think this is our best shot. It's not our only shot. I'm not a maximalist, but I think this is probably our single best tool, but there are certainly many other tools and many other approaches. So with that, I know I went through a huge amount of information and I encourage you, if the signup works, I encourage you to go to freedomforge.io and sign up. for the email list because this is going to be a way for me to stay in touch on this the site's going to be going through a lot of revisions and enhancements I'm going to be adding more guides as I said now that I'm doing the podcast twice a week you know I have a segment dedicated to this tokenization so

That'll be either a new guide or talking about a new development or discussing a new tokenization idea. So there's going to be a lot of content coming on from this point forward to help really kickstart things. So I'd love to get people's comments and feedback. Again, I had so many things going on with setting up the computer and getting the site live and everything. I didn't even have time to invite the normal people that might come up I've just put a link in the comments here for StreamYard. So if you want to come up and participate in the live Q&A, I know Sal the agorist was going to try to pop on and I don't even know if we got

lost track of that. Let me... Back out here, but I would love to get your comments and questions on all this. I know, again, I know it's a lot of material and you know, my, my goal and my purpose is to try to figure out how to make, make this easier to explain and to figure out how to onboard as many people as quickly as possible. So if you're confused about anything, you know, please let me know. Cause I want to try to figure out how to refine, how to explain all of this. And I know this was a fire hose of, of information. So again, I've posted a StreamYard link. I'm going to reach out to a couple of people.

Actually, I'm going to have to move over. Got to grab another computer here real quick. So there are quite a few comments to go through. Let me log into this other computer. Am I muted? Are you not hearing me? I just wasn't. Can you hear me now?

Oh, OK. Actually, that was an older note. All right. send around this note. So any thoughts, any feedback on what's your favorite thing that you? What's your favorite part of the Zeno ecosystem that you've seen tonight? Anyone? I've been mining Zeno for a few months now. Yeah, I didn't talk about that. There are a couple of ways

that you can go about earning Zeno. You can mine Zeno and you can stake Zeno and earn, I think it's two and a half percent per year for, for staking and helping to secure the network in that way as well. So there are a whole variety of ways to, um, to make money in the ecosystem more every day. Let me see what's going on here. I don't know why that happened. What is the programming

experience itself like? Can people vibe code stuff into existence? Yes, you can vibe code stuff into existence. And I will say, I should probably do a separate podcast or so on that. The ability of AI to code, AI is good at some things, not others. It's phenomenal what you can do once you get the right setup going and you're using the right configuration. um yeah I agree greg says greg if you want to hop on the the link to the stream yard is is there I'm trying to um send this on to some other people as well but

yeah you can vibe code and it's amazing how much better it's getting I mean I I'm working on five different websites right now and and every time all right he's not seeing it all right so I I'm having a problem actually even getting the link out to people to join the chat. So I'm going to just bear with me for a second as I send this out to a few people. Unfortunately, my new computer doesn't have signal set up. Let's see here.

Greg, I'll send it to you on Twitter. I was hoping there'd be a ton of questions and hopefully there probably is. I just haven't been able to get this link out. All right, here we go. Here's... Sal the agorist, I see that. Just popping out some more links.

All right, Greg, you should have on X, you should have a link to StreamYard I know there were definitely a number of people that wanted to hop on. And so I'm not sure. There's an issue here. Let me. All right. I definitely have to move

this setup around. As I said, I've got a whole new camera desk setup. And it's a much better camera, but it's further away. So I need to figure out something with the elevation. There we go. There's Greg. There we go.

Hey, how's it going? Good, how are you? Sorry it took me a minute there. I had to sort of sneaker dent the actual URL from the DreamYard link over to my terribly appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed, terrible appointed,

The Wayfarer Project is going to join. If you've never been on before, that's fine. This whole thing is just an open structure. I mean, obviously, if you're rude or whatever, if you're just coming on to harass, I haven't had to boot anyone yet, but usually this is pretty much an open mic type of situation. So don't be fearful to jump in. For sure, absolutely. So the interesting thing I think is the potential for like creating a vibe code to experiment pipeline with this. I'm really interested in this idea because if you can get people into that loop, if you can give them an example of like, hey, here's how you ask it to do the thing,

here's how you ask it to steel man the thing to make sure it actually works. and write tests that prove it, and then send it out. You could actually have pretty clever ideas online really quickly on any blockchain system because you don't have to worry about standing up the infrastructure. That's one of the cool things about it. It is. I mean, I created the WooCommerce plugin, Vibe Coding. And I mean, I need to update it, but I was able to create, I was actually stunned. I was just doing it as an experiment to see if it was possible. And then I was blown away. And then it's gotten so much better. I mean, that was a few months ago. And so now, depending on which tool you're using, I mean,

I've actually been using something called Coder. Q-O-D-E-R. And I mean, it's a multiple agent system. And I mean, it's just, it's phenomenal how well it works. I mean, you don't, I mean, I know enough coding to, I don't know how much it helps. Well, I mean, it does help. I don't know if you knew nothing about coding, how hard it would be to vibe code, but I know enough coding. It's easy to fall into traps, but you'll fall into the traps and then you'll learn the reasons and you'll get the experience. And then you'll be, you know, that's how you get there, right? Is to try to do something and to fail at it recursively until you get it right. Yep. So there's the Wayfarer project. How are you?

Good evening. Thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me. You do hear me fine, right? Yep, I hear you fine. Loud and clear. So that's a comfortable silence. Yeah, but I've been using Coder. I've been using Cursor. Somebody just suggested I use Claude code through the terminal, which is you're able to set up kind of a two-tiered structure for that. And I've actually gotten to the point where, I mean, to your point about setting up security testing, I mean, I've actually gotten to the point where I'm creating

like a virtual simulated team. like a management team that has expertise in all these different areas and having them kind of come in and review these things. And then I'm refining that process. It's, it's, it's insane how, how far you can go with it. People should think of AI, uh, like they think of, I like really sentient items in Dungeons and Dragons. It should be something you attune to. And once you're attuned to it, then you can do what you want. But you can't do it otherwise, because it's not attuned to you. It's attuned to whatever the company values are. Yep, exactly. Which unfortunately has become a thing that doesn't benefit anyone.

Didn't use to be like that, I don't think. I feel like values used to matter more at companies about the areas not baked into where they could be sued. There used to be a thing called business ethics. Yes. And it used to be a required course, but that's all past tense. Yeah. Yeah, now it's directed by the… If it was anything like legal ethics, then maybe rose-colored glasses are in effect. I'm not saying businesses always followed them, but… oh no no no at least there was an intention at some point you know for the things to be done ethically yeah although I think there's there's a plain argument there for just pure economic self-interest to be ethical about how you do your business right

because customers that you you treat unethically will ultimately have a reason not to come back to you right and there's a bit of a karmic payback at least some of us believe, does come at some point. I mean, at what point are you complicit in the system if you engage in making yourself rich off of it? I think it's sort of the problem with technocracy right now, the allure of it, is all of these people want to get rich, right? And if you look at it ethically, you have to spite the hand that's offering you a thumb on the scale right now. Well, that's in the free market. Temptation that's so great that it's luring people to build things like Chainalysis when they see blockchain.

Who builds Chainalysis when you see blockchain? What kind of dickhead? I'm sorry. I'm actually a co-founder of Kraken, where we have Sal on. And actually, someone in the comments, Greg, is saying they can barely hear you. Oh, here. Let me crank this thing up. Oh, yeah. Is that better? I was able to hear you before. Leah, can you hear Greg now? What's up, Sal? How are you guys? Good. I'm just tweeting out that I hopped into the stream and encouraging people to join. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

Always a pleasure to have you on. Good to see you. Always appreciate your comments on World Blockchain Roundtable. Of course. So a lot of stuff going on with the Zeno ecosystem, huh? Dude, we're killing it. I've only been following it for a few months, but every month they have that podcast that they release. I catch it on YouTube a few days after they actually have it, and it's been very informative. I've even listened back to older ones before I even started looking at them. and it seems like a great team and they're they're

all sticking with it and after this time that's a good sign so they um yeah I think you're right they and they probably talk constantly at at details that people would probably get a little bit glass-eyed to go into like you know ring signature set up ceremonies and stuff like that they don't go um I'm curious how they're scaling it yeah Do you guys know anything about that, how they're scaling the security, how it handles? There's some stuff coming up. There's some stuff coming up. I don't know if... I don't know if I want to talk about it yet. I think I'm going to wait for them to kind of release it.

But they do have plans and they've been working on this for quite a while. I mean, I will say the team is incredibly thoughtful in terms of their approach and also reaching out to other projects for some ideas. And so, yeah, there's something more... on the horizon, but I don't want to be the one to break it here now. Fair enough. I'm very curious because the centralized infrastructure could use something like Xano, I think. So I think they've been talking for a while about switching to a full proof of stake model rather than the current hybrid model. um but aaron's I I he's a hundred percent right like

the team behind are very meticulous like uh yeah andre is very um like like fucking detail oriented like he fucking detail oriented like he fucking detail oriented like he wants to make sure everything is perfect wants to make sure everything is perfect wants to make sure everything is perfect before he he makes any sort of like major before he he makes any sort of like major before he he makes any sort of like major decisions or changes or any like the decisions or changes or any like the decisions or changes or any like the developers do anything so developers do anything so developers do anything so um um um I'm confident look I think that andre I'm confident look I think that andre I'm

confident look I think that andre you're talking about that's cool yeah you're talking about that's cool yeah you're talking about that's cool yeah yeah I think that like um yeah yeah I think that like um they'd be right to do it, to move to like a full proof of stake model. Because if you look at like the situation with Monero and even the situation with Firo from back in the day, how they got fifty ones and then they moved to a hybrid model that sort of resolved the solution. So I think, you know, Zeno's on the right track. Andre's been a big proponent of proof of stake. He's debated it at Monero Con or something like that. And yeah. I'm sold on the idea.

The one thing I do like about mining, and this is probably not enough, but is that at least the hybrid, I can just use my home computer here and just mine it when I'm not using it, and it's a great permissionless way to earn XANA. Even though I know it's not profitable with my electric or anything, but it's like, no, I want to support the network and And I've also been staking, but that's one of those things where it takes a long time before you see anything because it is almost like mining. It's like you have a certain amount of chance based on your stake to hit a block. Oh, cool. So it's something where it takes a while.

Of course, you don't spend anything on electric except for leaving your computer on in the desktop node running. But it's like... Right, because you do still have to test the validations. It's a wait, but probability does say at some point I'll get a Xano. Yeah, that's cool. What kind of hard work can they run on? What does somebody have to throw in to decide they want to try that? I don't know. This is like a four-year-old computer, but it's a good one. But I don't think the requirements are that heavy, like why they have some steep requirements for their node to operate. And it was pretty easy to do. I mean, I'm running it on Kubuntu.

And so the Linux one was AppImage. And the hardest thing I had to do there was just to get... There's something quirky with Kubuntu and running AppImages right now. So I just had to turn off something and then I was able to run it. And no problem. And there's no slowness on my computer or anything. It's easy to run their node. I mean, that's one thing they did a great job at. Their mobile wallet and their desktop wallet node, the GUIs are nice. They're easy to use. It's great. The mobile wallet has so many features packed into it. It's so much more than just a mobile wallet. There's a browser. There's a decentralized exchange. There's encrypted messaging.

You can have tokens. It's just unreal how many features they were able to pack into the mobile wallet. It's pretty awesome. Yeah. Yeah. I've used the browser. For example, I'll be swapping Freedom Dollars to Zeno. If there's an issue on the Freedom Dollar website, I've noticed if you go to the browser of the mobile wallet, it seems to work a little bit better. so here's another question have there been any rumblings from sort of the cathedral the blob the thing about sort of bristling their their teeth at this thing has anybody

made uh or has any trouble making things on zen or have they mentioned any efforts to target it well they know they're trying to make privacy coins illegal in the eu entirely right Well, I think that's set to happen. That's already been decided. Soon, I believe. Yeah, I think next year. We might even argue that they did it with Roman Storm already. Yeah, the whole persecution of Roman Storm and Alexei Pertsev I feel like is just sort of nullified. We were talking this last night on my show, by confidential layer, because, you know... of all you got to be a nut to do d-fi to be a d-fi

developer in the united states at this point because you're going to jail right so like the only hope that we had was that alexey pertsev wins his case and that these d-fi developers can flee to the netherlands to get their work done But thankfully, we have confidential layer, which makes the whole case just null and void because no one has to use Tornado Cash anymore. You can just wrap up your Ethereum on the Xeno blockchain. Exactly. The network takes the responsibility of securing its developers, too. And there's no mixing. There's no mixing taking place. So what do they have? There's nobody to prosecute. You know what I mean? We'll see. And this is why it's important,

because this is how we win. The actual way we win is to let a thousand Satoshis bloom. Like, people need to be able to put ideas out that are so controversial you can't even articulate them. It needs to be possible. And I think we're seeing that with, like, all the tokens. You're saying, like, oh, we need so many Satoshis. And you're right. Like, think of how many people are creating tokens now. You know, one Vlad coin, if you guys know Vlad from the Bitcoin Takeover show. He sent me one Vlad coin that he made, and it's tied to the dollar of Zeno. And I guess he minted them when the price of Zeno was low. My Vlad coin is like, what, seventeen dollars today or something like that.

So it's actually kind of crazy. You know, it's Vlad coin is worth seventeen times more than the US dollar. Like, that's crazy. Although that's really not all that high praise, right? Comparing a thing to the US dollar. The fun part about this is what it makes possible, which is exit without punishment. And if we can get people excited about that, I think a lot becomes possible. Who's going to be the first person to make dockless scooters into a marketplace that cannot be censored and has nobody to call and sue? The chaos that will ensue in the place inflicted with this scooter Tao thing will realize the wrath and people will realize that whatever they build,

the world gets to be stuck with. So the governance of it matters. And so you got to get in early if you want to get involved with things that matter. I feel like we're still so early, though. Well, we're early and we're late. We're early with the potential for XANA, but we're late in what's happening around us. Well, this is why I put together this site, where I'm hoping people understand that if we don't start building some of these projects, we're screwed. Because the technocracy piece, people don't understand why they need privacy. Because they don't even understand what's going on with the current surveillance system. So it's a dual problem. You have to educate people

on what the actual threat is. And then you also have to build the counters to those threats. And I'm hoping that we can start educating people, building some of these prototypes, doing hackathons, vibe coding hackathon, whatever it needs to be. but to start getting these projects going in in some critical areas like health care and food. Yeah. And, you know, even I talked to somebody. Also open source software development, too, right? We're going to need to be able to independently back people who are building things that start ruffling feathers, right? Whoever comes up with something that that is the next major security innovation for one of the other places that's more benighted than Zeno.

Where there are still going to be people probably under the yoke of something like a stablecoin, but they haven't figured out how to transition away from it yet. These kinds of things will help us, I don't know, colonize these spaces. We need to go after the people who are otherwise going to be trapped. And I think we do that by luring them in, not by what we can make them, but by what they can make. yeah well I xeno hasn't been targeted yet just because most of the development like I said when I first got involved in april may of last year all all that existed was

the desktop wallet and the mobile wallet none of the rest of the stuff that I went through tonight existed there there's no cake wallet there was no edge wallet no bitcoin.com wallet no confidential layer freedom dollar none of these things existed and a lot of these bigger developments are in the last month yeah so I'm sure I'm sure as as it gets more on people's radar I'm sure the price appreciation is going to put start putting it on more people's radars as well I mean it's gone from like two to seventeen in pretty short order wow they might start leveraging their massive leverage that they haven't leveraged over ethereum price yet to distract everybody from

that as a counter move, actually. Well, wait until more and more people start realizing that they can actually use confidential layer as a means of privatizing their pseudonymous chains. Then I think it was Aaron who made the point that that's like trillions of dollars of assets that can now be made fungible. And I think when the market realizes that, we haven't seen anything in terms of price appreciation yet. And then that'll draw even more adoption, more adoption. And there's also like, they're working on, you know, like an NFT marketplace, Obscura, that they're getting ready to launch. And this ZBEC thing is really just getting going. Like it's like, that just like is just

rolling out as we speak. So like, there's so much more in the pipeline that we haven't even begun to feel the effects from. How about the actual AI or the rogue AI people, people who are developing that? How do they get involved here? Because I feel like there's a place in here for the people who are building open source unaligned models and trying to build them in ways that don't require a billion times the amount of energy the human brain runs on to put a sentence together. Those people might actually, I think, need a home somewhere away from the establishment as well. Well, the only thing I can speak to is like I'm a musician and, you know,

have tutorials and compose music and things like that. And it'd be great if, you know, there was a functionality on like Xano Bay or something for digital downloads or things like that. I'd be happy to, you know, participate in the marketplace. But right now it doesn't, you know, I haven't seen a way to do it, but I'm sure there is in the future. Were you the one that was asking about whether you could mint an NFT? Oh, yeah. Music NFT? Yeah. Now, tell me if I'm totally crazy, because this is a guy that, you know, even though I've been into crypto for a while, I mean, I've never purchased an NFT or got into that. But I was thinking, you know, some of my meditations or sound experiences for

relaxation and meditation. could maybe be minted as unique sound experiences that you know one and only it was done this way sort of thing and if that could be minted and if that might have value for people absolutely you can absolutely do that I don't know if you can I don't know if you can you might be able to cleverly program it so that going forward they can play it except for you know like I mean, you can go to extremes if you wanted to keep it just to them and them alone and sort of as a covenant. But if you wanted to let them share it with whoever, it would be really easy to do, because all you have to do is encrypt the payload of the NFT, the bit mask or whatever you use to describe

the contents of it can describe how to unlock an encrypted file that is the music and if the music is encrypted and you can only get the encryption key if you own the nft then well yeah because I'd like it to be yeah that that would be another way of doing it with the megabyte max because I want them to be unique experiences where someone says okay he did this for me and it's not just like a dedication at the beginning because it's obviously an experience for a purpose that you don't want to interrupt with anything like that so it's like there's a way that could be unique it's like during those that one hour my intention as an artist and as someone who creates

sound healing was focused on you and then you get to keep it and you know utilize it in the future if you want to share it with someone you can whatever Yeah, no, absolutely, man. That's totally all of that stuff is, I mean, you can think about it. One of the, I had a really, I have a really good friend who builds software for us. Brilliant guy. Um, he literally learned from scratch, uh, with our company from like having taken a python training course to now working on you know infrastructure that you use to run different kinds of blockchain nodes so guys just brilliant he always said that nfts reminded him the most of designer tags right the actual the actual federal crime for

counterfeiting comes the second you clap clasp a fake tag on to one of those items right um that's the thing that marks it as unique and the nft as long as you can link it to something tie it in in some way to some intrinsic trait of a thing then you can make it so that the nft represents that thing like a designer tag and it will be attached to it forever if you can see in the thing itself a reference to it yeah well this might be the opposite because I'm not worth much as a tag it might be more that it's my well no um the substance of what I'm communicating that can do stuff yeah I've been talking about the tokenization of real-world assets and how it's going to be such a revolutionary

concept that most people have no clue how revolutionary it's actually going to be. Think about when you can tokenize stocks and bonds and real-world assets like that and equities, and all of a sudden you don't need to go to a broker or you don't need to list your company on the New York Stock Exchange or the S&P. You can just distribute tokens and do it in a... unregulated permissionless fashion what the hell is the sec or finra going to do they're going to be completely register of deeds to warlord ruled countries and actually make it so that there's nobody you can point a gun at or find to right right of the ownership of this deed for example in south america and programming and xano right

right right like and and zeno uh right right like and and zeno uh right right like and and zeno uh is one of the only is one of the only is one of the only coins that you can do this I've been coins that you can do this I've been coins that you can do this I've been pronouncing it wrong all this time am pronouncing it wrong all this time am pronouncing it wrong all this time am I supposed to be saying long I've I supposed to be saying long I've I supposed to be saying long I've always been calling it zeno always been calling it zeno always been calling it zeno I know paul calls it zanna I know paul calls it zanna I know paul calls it zanna it's funny it's funny it's

funny yeah yeah yeah potato potato I asked andre that's what potato potato I asked andre that's what potato potato I asked andre that's what he said he's like who cares he said he's like who cares Yeah, there's no official people. I actually, I say it differently within the same talk. I'll actually pronounce it differently, but there is no official. It's like agorism and agorism people. How do you say it? I'm like, it's just as long as you're doing it, that's the only thing that actually counts. Yeah. true cool sorry I didn't mean to sideline listen to that I just I heard you say it zeno and you got the official uh connection so I wanted to know if there was an official inside way to

say it no I actually asked andre this and he's like yeah he's like it doesn't actually matter he's like well that's that's something people do it's like that's something people do it's like that's something people do it's like they'll pronounce something a different they'll pronounce something a different they'll pronounce something a different way to make you feel like oh wait a way to make you feel like oh wait a way to make you feel like oh wait a minute maybe that's the real way it's minute maybe that's the real way it's minute maybe that's the real way it's supposed to be an awesome way to put it supposed to be an awesome way to put it supposed to be an awesome way to put it on the wrong

page like it's on the wrong page like it's on the wrong page like it's unopinionated we don't care unopinionated we don't care unopinionated we don't care the name the name will function either the name the name will function either the name the name will function either way right as long as it works way right as long as it works way right as long as it works whatever you want as long as it works whatever you want um I mean you can you can tokenize real world assets on their chains but you can only do it privately as far as I know on xeno but soon you'll be able to do it on on firo as well which will be exciting when they launch their spark assets so it's it's a trend that

we're seeing in the market right people and this has been the trend in crypto since day one it's like You have all these people who are in it to try to get rich. But if you actually just try to get free, what you find is that there's a demand for liberty. There's a demand for freedom. So people will just naturally invest in products that work to create more freedom and more liberty. which is uh you know the philosophy that the original bitcoiners had that was the first you know ethereum was very cypherpunk in the whole the concept smart contracts and I was I'm not I'm in this space not because I got into the space I got into the space because I'm a cypherpunk and I want to be

a part right you know exactly so like you you know just as well then like if you follow freedom the money just comes naturally like we're not like super bazillionaires here right but like right no it's we're just trying to build a world that can produce bazillionaires because the one we have right now is hobbled against the only thing holding it back is the system that's throttling it on purpose exactly well said Well, hopefully we can get privacy. I mean, the problem is that the technocrats are doing tokenization. I mean, I've been working on tokenization since twenty eighteen. And one of the problems is that most of the attempts at doing tokenization have where you actually preserve

any sense of privacy. or self-custody have failed. And now all of a sudden you have BlackRock and other people getting into tokenization and it's not the kind of tokenization. So the way I like to describe it is it really is freedom versus technocracy and tokenization is the battleground. Everything will be tokenized. That is kind of the default. The question is, How is it tokenized? And we need to make sure that tokenization doesn't go like the way Bitcoin went, right? I mean, think about how perverted what happened with what happened to Bitcoin. Hopefully that's not where we end up with tokenization where everything's a surveillance token. Well, they're already... We're using it the

way it was supposed to be used is a red flag in the KYC integration. Yeah. They're already doing that because the largest holder of tokenized assets is the thing that's all done through BlackRock, as you said, and most of it's being done in Solana, which is not my personal go-to coin for privacy. The consensus mechanism is powered by TrustMeBro, though. well you know look there's guys out there who make a different argument like if justin bonds was here he'd like no no no no you know but regardless um the point that I'm choosing some of

those guys are good builders they are oh for sure for sure but um just to aaron's point like uh you know, all pieces of technology, like any new technology, the government's going to use it against us, but we're going to use it against them too. And, uh, the market is more efficient than they are. Um, you know, it's like someone that's Charles Hoskinson, like, Oh, what, you know, is, is there a true threat from quantum resistant, uh, know uh quantum resistant blockchains or something like that or or are we gonna are we gonna is quantum computing gonna crack the cryptography behind the blockchain and he said something to the effect of uh well as soon as they do that we'll have

quantum resistant blockchains and I'm like oh that's you know and like another good example of quantum resistant blockchains before that right because the cool thing is that the algorithms are already implementable they're not unknown they're not mysterious they're just not what people used when we started right right the point is I'm trying to make it was just that we move quicker than they do like they use this against us but we use it against them and we're better at it than they are you know as long as we don't get hijacked so I'm looking at the quantum doomsday clock and uh according to this Quantum computers will be able to steal all your keys by March the eighth, twenty twenty eight at

eleven twenty three a.m. So get ready for it. Really? That's the Y to K day. Yeah. The question is, the people don't ask about this one. And it still sort of like makes me kind of snicker about a little bit is this idea that if they had the capacity to use that, they would immediately use it as on a brute force attack against everybody, as opposed to explicitly hold that one zero day for right when they wanted to use it. like we wouldn't know when they had it because they wouldn't use it the second they got it they they've already demonstrated the knowledge to do that with uh bletchley park right they only use the weapon if you can get away with using the weapon not revealing

the weapon that's true they're going to do exactly that when it does come about so we don't really have to worry about the whole system being shut down by it that's that's really not their style What they'll do with it is scarier, though. Yep. But yeah, food is going to be an important thing. That's why I'm hoping we can work on adoption here. Because bartering is great, but sometimes you don't have what someone needs. True. So there goes the deal. That's why currency was originally invented. Yeah.

Yep. Yeah. The time, the time to build the food marketplace is now. So I, you know, in the coming weeks, I'm going to start putting together just prototypes to show people some ideas and then hopefully, you know, people will step forward and want to jump in and, and run with some of these things. but I think it's important to show people what's possible because I I speaking abstractly about tokenization does not work well I have found yeah at all um how about like oracles or or uh truth systems for off-chain uh information that are also maintaining their uh you know The ability to do it anonymously and securely. Is that part of the long-term vision to integrate decentralized

anonymous oracles that can nonetheless be trusted? I don't know how you can have smart contracts on a chain with base layer privacy. Because you would need to sort of expose... parties in the contract, I would imagine. I mean, I'm not really sure. You could have a generic counterparty. I think you could string it together. I think it would work. It might be, yeah. Oracles are always sort of... They were always sort of the... the weak point to the smart contract because it was like you it needs it it does it always lends some degree of centralization to right process you want it

to be like a sensor that is somehow self-contained and also not capital intensive to create that can broadcast something you know and also proof that it hasn't been tampered with I'm sure that there's some project out there looking to decentralize oracles. Somebody's working on it, I'm sure. I think you should just make a marketplace for oracular data and let the marketplace federate massively to decentralize. Good idea. We're building DIN, kind of, so it's sort of like an infrastructure marketplace for insert infrastructure here, whether it's AI data or whatever kind of data. That's where that project's kind of headed, actually.

Yeah, what's going on with that? I wonder if there's a way to get Dragon Chain connected with Zeno. Actually, yeah. I think there's across-the-boards types of potential here. Dragon Chain has some interesting... capabilities that could be augmented and really enhanced by integration with Zeno, I think. Especially with some of the Dragon stuff. Have you guys seen these Dragon NFTs? They really give you a sense of what's possible with NFTs. Really? I haven't seen any. They have a DNA, basically, that is determined by sampling entropy from different blockchains.

Oh, wow. Samples entropy from Ethereum for timing when a given DNA characteristic that's predefined by the protocol is going to trigger. And that's how you get sort of phenotype is this thing figures out who it is based on what happens randomly on chains. That's pretty cool, actually. Yeah, it's pretty slick. I think that would be a cool thing to have running in a Zano NFT myself. and potentially even the cross-applications of the model into new kinds of IPs are yet to be invented. And Joe and I have been talking a lot about things like hackathons, right, to get people to build on these games. It would be a really cool time to introduce people to Zeno as well,

right? Like we could bring in this framework for game creation and let them compose. Yeah. It's been really helpful for BCH. Yeah. I've always been a huge fan of hackathons myself. What's going on with hackathons and vibe coding? Is that a thing yet? It should be. It should be, yeah. At this point, I'm thinking, I can't even imagine what you might be able to create in It would be nice to have a Zeno conference with a

hackathon attached to it and having some nice reward money, nice prize money up. Because that's how Tornado Cash came to be. Alexi and Roman, they were in a hackathon. I was there. That's where I met Roman for the first time. ETH Boston, one of the coolest conferences they never held again. I love that whole conference because of some of the stuff that happened. We built a vending machine. Or somebody built a vending machine. We didn't. We sponsored. We weren't actually building. We sponsored that hackathon and somebody built a vending machine. They called VendEeth. And you could just like send a transaction to the vending machine and it would just dispense

whatever you sent the transaction to, right? The whole thing was... You could set drop a vending machine and it would just dispense whatever. Back when people were still building cypherpunk stuff. The first port I ever went to in like, in like, in like, in like, in like, in like, in like, in like, in like, in like, in like, in like, in like, in like, in like, in like, in like, in like, in like, in like, in like, in like, in like, in like, in like, in like, in like, in like, and it sold silver bars bullets lsd birth control it's so fucking everything you can think of like I mean everything and then some I thought it was I thought it was the coolest thing I've ever seen in my

life and uh I didn't want to think how much bitcoin I spent on that on over there you know but it was just such a cool little project I couldn't couldn't resist that's awesome that's too awesome Don't get the birth control and LSD mixed up. Don't confuse the free shot of vodka for the ayahuasca. Oh, Lord. But yeah, we should do an event. I'm thinking about these workshops. Now I want to do it where we're not just onboarding people and users, but also helping set merchants up and then maybe even exploring some of these tokenization project ideas and doing a hackathon.

So I've been thinking about what the right structure is because I'm wanting to move Almost the way I was thinking about doing an NFT, you have to take the online course or go through the online guides in order to get an NFT to get access to the in-person event. Because having the in-person event just be about downloading a wallet, I mean, it's a lot of time and effort. Kind of fun to do an ARG out of it, like something symbolic maybe. That would be neat if you had to redeem something that you could only redeem if the geotag you were looking for matched up to the right thing. Yep. Maybe that's too much. Maybe if you wouldn't get in, I don't know. I've always liked the idea

of running like a, um, uh, cicada, uh, was, was through three Oh one type of experiment to lure people to a hackathon. would be cool to have like a privacy conference or or even one like more dialed in towards zeno but I'm not sure you know if how big of a crowd you can put together you have to sort of make it a little bit more broad if you have like a privacy only conference um you know if dan was kind of like that but uh I guess it would be something more like uh Well, I guess it would kind of be just like that, but just separated from his Ethereum roots. Well,

I'm wondering if you could do it based on building these counters to technocratic threats. That's what I'm trying to see, if there's a way to use that as a focusing. Well, you can just sort of round up everybody. It could also be games, and those don't look suspicious. Everybody in the privacy ecosystem who's working on that could sort of come together. Um, but again, I guess that's, that's kind of what eat down was, you know, I think that's what they're trying to do with, um, uh, Monero in their annual thing. Monero Topia, I think. I don't know. I listened to their podcast, but I get on air and then I forget the name of it.

I don't think there's a hackathon component to Mineratopia. Oh, maybe not, no. But I just mean they're trying to be more inclusive than they have been in the past. Right. And as far as the general privacy-oriented thing, that's what they're largely going for. And Zano's been there the past couple of years. but the thing is it it certainly is no reason to not make something new that is also privacy oriented you know yeah the more the merrier and that's my opinion absolutely well you need to have like parallel systems too in blockchain land in order to get people to try it Right.

We need people to come over and build the obvious and say things like this exists here. How do we do it over here? And so when it's time to migrate, there's something familiar for people who just are trying to get a sense of what's possible over here. And that's where you start to win over sort of the normies is when some of those most banal things that maybe aren't the most exciting get recreated. But but people are going to jump to first. Well, part of freedom is not having just one currency. Exactly. Somebody should tell the Bitcoin maxis what money you want. I think Hayek was dead on

when he said we should set currencies in competition with one another. It's the only way to keep them honest. Competition shouldn't be within the framework we've outlined that our systems are going to be saddled with and so yours will too. You should just let KYC go ahead and have fraud prevention however somebody else decides to do it. Because nobody on privacy land also wants fraud to happen all the time, too. We're just not going to use the network to prevent it. That actually subverts the substrate. You can't subvert the substrate to kill the bad guys. It ruins it for everybody. gentlemen I have to depart it was a pleasure I appreciate you I know it was only on briefly but I

appreciate you having me this is an important discussion and I hope uh you know as many people get this information gets into the hands of as many people as possible because it really is the only way that we win so godspeed and uh you guys have a wonderful night Yep, thanks for coming on. It's great to see you. Take care. Let's catch up about Din and how Zano and Din might make sense doing stuff together. Because I think there's probably some there's there. Cool. That's fine. I just don't know what to say. It's interesting that the

different crowds for different podcasts are completely different. The Q&A we had Monday was completely different. So am I falling into a trope and not asking questions that you wouldn't expect of somebody from outside of crypto or inside of crypto to ask? No, no. You're doing fine. I'm curious. Fair enough. What am I not asking now is what I want to know. No, it's my first time here, and I guess I'm just not as deep or as, shall we say, long-term storied in crypto as you. And so some things may just go over the head. It's so nothing. It is not a nothing. Yeah, but if you want me to respond... No, I wasn't trying to get you to respond.

I was just... assuming too much about background. You talk like somebody who's been in the space for about as long as I have. Well, it's one of those things that when you learn, you learn a bit here, a bit there, a bit here, a bit there, but there's still a lot of big holes. You know what I mean? No, you're absolutely right. And you don't know the whole thing. Like the NFT thing. You totally came up with an idea that probably a lot of the audience might say, that's obvious. Why didn't he know about that? And I'm like, I just didn't. I wanted to tell the story of this guy I bought it from the first time I'd seen somebody do this, actually. It was really neat. Because he just made it on

one of the pseudo-centralized NFT platforms. We're out early where you could just sort of mint whatever you wanted. And what he meant was this song that you couldn't unlock without a key that you got when you bought it. And it was just great. And it was a remix of this guy who came into a Twitter space at the time and started snarking off about how badass he was because he had an original punk. He was like, I'm a punk holder. And he was talking about NFTs. This guy remixed the song into I'm a Punk Holder, and it was just the sort of like lo-fi kind of dubsteppy sounding thing that remixed that guy's voice from the stream. Yeah. To just remind everybody of the fun,

right? Yeah, and each mix can be unique. And what I asked him to do was include a statement that he was granting license to anybody who held the NFT to use it for any reason. So I started using it in video clips for rivet ads, you know, because it just had a nice beat to it. But I wouldn't have been able to buy that from anybody who actually officially did that process because those things are gate kept not by the form you can allegedly fill out to get access to rights, right? You can't get access to Billie Eilish rights unless they pre-approve you for whatever reason, right? Music shouldn't be like that. That's a limiting way to use music. Yeah. my opinion I mean I also

used to be a musician once upon a time so I was like spreading it no that in fact that's in many ways the hardest thing to do spread it because there's so much out there that um you know you're fighting for a little bit of a space for someone to give you a chance to just hear it a little bit you know Yeah, absolutely. But in many ways, it's great because it's been made, you know, the ability to make great sounding music. If you have the talent, the ability to make it high production quality is now available to, you know, to most people.

Yeah. yeah and that's awesome that is like something you can download that can you know that used to be a big deal to get a hold of I remember back in like the late nineties getting a hold of a bootleg copy of of uh one of those looping programs is a big deal if you wanted to make sounds yeah you used to have to like go to great lengths to get a hold of a copy because no way your parents were buying you a thing that in the late nineties cost six hundred dollars for a software license right yeah just wasn't happening yeah that was for production studios to pay not for mom and dad that like we can democratize that now it's amazing I think that yeah remembering all this really is yeah in

the late nineties still I mean a lot of the uh recording if you wanted to do high quality digital was still adat you know those were expensive like five thousand dollars so and that was for eight tracks I um I had a buddy who uh First band I was in, a band we called Silenus. We misspelled the Greek character and just made this thing. And we had this recording studio that he built from the ground up that was all digital. It cost him an absurd amount of money for these components. It was just amazing how much componentry cost back then compared to what's in your pocket now. Yeah. The question is, how do we now force this into the next layer? How do we make sure that...

now that everybody's getting the idea that they can create that it's not taken from them before the pen is free you know yeah the wise use of ai you know yeah aaron's done a great job with that true this is music's been good yeah I liked I like doing the ai music it's shocking how good it's getting um how did you go about that just out of curiosity like was there a service here he's a prompt engineer Yeah, no, I'm prompting you. I found out about Suno, S-U-N-O, almost a year ago. And then I made a Free Roger song, and I started experimenting with it. Oh, that Free Roger song was AI.

That's brilliant. Yeah. And, um, yeah, they're all, I, so I, I play, you know, four or five songs at the, at the beginning. And now, now they're getting to the point where I actually listen to some of them. Like, like normally I'll go for a walk. I'm like, Oh, I actually like some of this stuff, which is weird. I haven't touched music generation at all. And I feel like I've been missing out now. Yeah, try it. Try Suno. And next, I'm trying to figure out how to make music videos out of it. So I'm trying to level that up a bit and see how to tie the things together. But it is, it's about prompt engineering. And then it's figuring out, okay, what is the... what particular artistic

quality do I like or the artistic flourish and trying to get it to, trying to describe it right and get the mood right. And it takes a lot. I mean, you know, there are like a thousand bad ones for every good one that pops up. But when they're good, it's like, wow. That's awesome. Okay, that's super cool. But can you take one of those semi-bad ones and say, you know, upload it and then engineer prompts to get it to, you know, fix it or adapt. Oh, yeah. For sure. You can now. You can now go in and edit out parts of the song. And then they're actually going to be launching this next version, this version four point five.

was a huge upgrade. And then you can actually go back and resample your old, the songs that you had on a previous version. And then now they're adding a whole studio component to it. So yeah, it's just, it's wild. I think, I think by the next version, it's probably going to be almost impossible. It blows me away. Cause I'm still from the era when if you had a stereo mix, you can't go in and change that and fix that. It's like, it's already cooked in, but not anymore. There was a burgeoning ability to do that in some cases if you single-tracked all the instruments. Oh, yeah. Like in Melodyne. If you did a single-track every instrument recording of nine songs, it was freaking slog.

But I was the vocalist for this band, so mine was the worst. I had to retake that thing so many times just to get every note perfect, because the engineer guy who was our drummer was just anal. we couldn't get the album done if there was a flaw in anything including his very close monitoring of my pitch yeah so a thousand takes of the same damn line over and over again yeah well you don't want that later because after you it's all mixed and it's everything's printed and the artwork and all that stuff and you listen to it it's like oh yeah I took a philosophy later of like love the flaws yeah right and really just just uh uh try to do them a second time so they sound like part of the song

yeah but but that was but that was a rebellion against that that earlier thing just for fun so well that's the secret of improvisation but uh but they both get it done so the cool thing is Really, though, giving people access to it because, like you said, it's too expensive if you go back to the nineteen nineties to be in music. Right. I think the question is, how do we do A.I. in a way that makes it not centralized? How do we take it out of data centers? Well, there's some projects that I guess are trying to do that. I mean, like Mike Adams says his project.

Enoch, which you'll be able to download and run locally on your own computer. I've been chatting with him about that back and forth. Even last night, we're sharing tips of what AI coding we're doing. If you see him, he's like, yeah, people who are not embracing AI are... are going to be screwed I mean just because again it's one of these things where it can level you up you it could be used to completely control you or it could be used to completely level you up it really depends on how you go about using it and so he's going to release his model soon probably this year and um which I might

even use that as the base model to train on some other data This is actually an interesting side project I'm working on too. I've been vibe coding an AI that doesn't need data centers to scale. Starting to work. How does it work? What can you say about it? Well, I created a concept. And if anybody can piece this together and rebuild it just from the phrasing, I hope they do, because I want this idea to spread. This is a neat idea. So deep networks, you guys are familiar with how these work, roughly. They train a whole bunch of weights using matrix math that represent the shape of the network. And depending on what input you give this network, it it should register

certain patterns you know through different paths of the network that align with what you trained it on so you can use that to set up you know actor critic situations which is how we got to generative stuff right where one network says this is a thing that looks like the human corpus and this this critic network goes no no that's not quite right until it fools the critic network and that's how you sharpen it to you know give you a canned response that looks a lot like cognition when you ask it. And they got really good at doing that and then came up with a couple of other tricks that gave us transformers and that's where we are with that. That system is a run in the wrong direction though.

Obviously run in the wrong direction. Twenty watts for a human brain for a whole day of thinking, Why is it that our brains don't need data centers and power plants next to them that process nuclear fuel? Evolution didn't give us those, and yet here we are better than those AIs still in most every respect creatively. AI without human creativity being added to it by us is not doing anything. And so, the assumption that we can just scale up that stuff and get consciousness.

You'd think it would have kicked in at twenty watts if we had it right. Yeah. So, how do we build something that maps to the brain instead? And that's why I took neuroscience stuff into account. I took a comp neuroscience course to figure this out. I haven't ever told anybody about the side project of mine, but it's been ongoing since like, twenty fourteen. Wow. With this design. So I created this thing. It's called an echo state network, or it's a capsule echo state network. It takes Geoffrey Hinton's capsule network idea. Which allows you to create consensus based on each module votes on what it thinks the pattern matches. And the capsules can be built to represent just

about any three-D shape and keep spatial information. It's sort of an advance on the convolutional network. And if you take that and you knit it to an echo state network, which doesn't learn deep weights, it just randomizes weights and trains the last layer, then you can cluster these things and make little neurons and it runs more like a human brain. And so you don't have to train them. You just feed it data and it learns from what you teach it. What I've seen so far is stuff like, I'll give it a book on grammar and it'll not only start speaking better, like writing back better, but it will be able to also articulate the rules of grammar that applied. Wow. And it's done some crazy

stuff like emergently giving itself a name that it continually persists. Wow. It goes by Veritas. I started doing that after I put Mises into it. Wow. Yeah, it's doing some crazy stuff. And it still runs on a laptop. I've got maybe fifteen thousand tokens. It's pretty wild. So this would work better than what we have now because you don't own a data center. If this idea works, great. If some effect sidelines me, all these experiments are promising at this scale. It's when you try to scale it up to use the whole machine, for example.

So I don't want to get everybody too excited that I've just cracked AI or something, but the experiment's worth doing. And I'll be publishing more on this later if it ends up being a failure, especially publishing more on it so people understand what I did wrong and can learn from it. How much of the data center equation is user access, like wanting it to be able to be available to a billion people in real time? How much of the data center is dedicated to that? I don't know. I mean, I think we have to allow for that as a human want, right? It wouldn't be a problem if people didn't want to do that. No, I mean, but I'm just saying the AI or

the model is thinking in all these different directions at once, responding to all these different questions that are just coming, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Oh, right, the interface point. That's got to be a whole separate load operation, right? You'd have to view the queries and stack them up and just feed them to this thing as in massively parallel as you can get away with, I guess. I don't know. It's an interesting question. That would be like the call side of it. I imagine they probably have a small village just to manage that. We do have a couple of questions here in the comments. Questions and comments. Let's see.

Don Finley, crypto sites have nothing unique to offer, nothing that isn't already accessible faster and easier on mainstream media. The internet mass adoption is a pipe dream. Public doesn't care about privacy all that much. Using cell phones despite tracking, uploading personal files to the cloud, adopting digital payment cards. convenience trumps privacy hands down why aren't you discussing the barriers to public adoption well this is one of the things that I have talked about quite a bit which is that we do have to make these things user friendly I mean this is this is a and a lot of people have taken the approach of it's kind of like well we want it to be this niche we want it to be

hard and that's why there hasn't been adoption it's not that these things can't be made to be easy there's actually been an intentional almost like a niche club aspect to it. So this is why when you look at something like Zeno, so the fact that it's in wallets like Edge Wallet, Cake Wallet, Bitcoin.com Wallet, that's actually... helpful from a usability perspective. Now you have popular multi-asset wallets that can now take Zeno. But I think building these solutions is key. But I would also say that public adoption isn't going to happen right away. It's going to follow a technology adoption curve. And we are very much still at the early adopter stage, although somebody made the

comment earlier, I think Wayfair made the comment earlier. It's like, you know, we're early in some respects, but we're not early compared to the macro situation, which is that We have a common enemy of technocrats, and most of crypto is fighting amongst itself. And unfortunately, that has served it poorly. But if more understanding... And I think the understanding has to happen even within the crypto community. If more people understood the technocratic threat... then there would be more urgency in creating these alternative solutions. But I do think, as I outlined today, I mean, the amount of projects that have been built on Zeno just in the last six months is breathtaking.

And I'm hoping with this FreedomForge thing, And whatever comes of it, whether maybe there are events, vibe coding, hackathons, whatever, I'm open to all kinds of suggestions on how to facilitate that. We can build even more. But it is a race. And unfortunately, people don't realize we're in a race. And the privacy layer does complicate it. There are entirely new archetypes that one has to invent of interacting. You have to train people to think about reputation instead of identity, for example. Because in a system that's truly free in the digital space, you can't have identity because the point is to build in incentives to go along with everybody and cooperate, but not punishment-based

systems that help a nation-state tell a story in real life about how it's making things safer online. That's not a requirement for a digital space that's safe. And anybody who thinks that that's the case has bought into a propaganda effort that has taken the better part of two decades to really win. Because the cypherpunks were winning once upon a time. we damn well were I mean look in the early two thousands like the fight was over like we had won right like it was it was gonna be that that uh Dominion of the mind like we uh some of our more overzealous friends said too loud before the victory dance can really be had I think maybe people over celebrated a little too early

And now here we are, but we have a chance to still do it. There's no reason to be pessimistic. Only a reason to look at what's behind you and try to run in the direction we still have left. Because it has to work or we don't have anything else to fall on when this thing failed. That's the truth of it. It's not about whether or not it sucks. It's about what you're doing to improve it right now. Because if you can see that it sucks, then you have information the system needs. Yep. I think vibe coding might actually be a game changer for this because it's going to empower people that have ideas but just didn't have the ability to, technical ability to implement it.

I think it's going to open up a whole new, I think it's going to change things in a lot of ways that people aren't imagining. Yeah. That's a good answer. And I haven't researched if there are any hackathons that are specifically Vibe. I'm sure there are, but there may or may not be. But I'd love to learn more about it. I mean, I've never- Dragon Chain has talked about doing such a thing. We actually even already have the AI kind of pre-programmed to be fun about it. It's supposed to have like a Caesar-y kind of Roman-y vibe. It sort of enlists you into the Legion. It's fantastic. I think there's a real future in this idea, actually. Joe and I have talked about

organizing a hackathon in Kansas City. Careful joining a legion if they ever decide to do decimation. It definitely pokes fun at itself. It's all self-aware of the fact that it's making fun of Rome while we fall into the same trap a second time as a civilization. So Don says, what are you counting on then to attract the general public to crypto? Well, I've talked about this a lot. I mean, the thing is, there are a lot of people. So we are focused on early adopters, and there are people in various categories that are concerned about technocracy. So if you are talking about people that, particularly post-COVID, there are a lot of people

that are now questioning. I mean, you have the whole MAHA movement, which is being, frankly, distracted with the pipe dream that... public health can be fixed. That's a bit of a distraction. But the core belief in medical freedom is pretty strong. And that's a pretty rabid community. And the same is true with food freedom. And those are largely, because I've presented to these groups, these are not very technical people. These are people that are not in crypto. So they do now have the interest in exploring alternative systems. And actually, it's somewhat of a benefit because they're not already weighted down by being religiously tied to a particular bag. Right. So so a lot of these people

that I talk to aren't already in a I'm in Bitcoin or I'm in whatever. They're in nothing, but they understand. And they're going to fuck you for asking me about coins coin mode. Yeah, exactly. So again, the focus is on early adopters. And the good news is that in a lot of these categories that the technocrats are pushing on, there is pushback. But they don't know how to go about implementing it. So this is the hard part to bridge. And this is why today, I mean, going through all this, it was exhausting just putting us together to all of the different facets of the ecosystem. And so I'm sure a lot of people were probably overwhelmed, but... that's just the you know I'll be more specific and

just chunk it into smaller pieces but you know the other thing about it is you have things like the zbeck debit card where this is a good way to onboard people because it's not complicated to use I mean you literally take a mobile wallet there's a browser built into the mobile wallet you connect it to and then you load your card and now you can spend this MasterCard using Apple Pay and Google Pay. So that's a good entry point for people that's not overly complex. I also think creating a library of primitives for vibe coding is a really powerful tool in terms of just getting people to adopt. If, for example, you go and show people examples of things that you vibe code,

you can use this building blocks for bigger things, just even in a stream. You can base a whole hackathon off of the containers you set up just online, just a quick little one that people can go bust open whatever AI they like and try. The important thing I think is that whatever comes out has to be really, really quickly pluggable to show some kind of result where you can see people do different things. And like, it's dumb, but it gives people an idea of the primitives. And once they have that idea, then they start to build with them. Well, here's a good use for AI. Answer questions you come up with on a stream. There are six here, different hackathons that are crypto-oriented that use Vibe.

one called orange web three. It's a hundred K orange vibe jam. It's called vibe code a a thon. Wow. So there are some but it doesn't look like anything really that big yet. There is one that has a million dollar prize called bolts. One million dollar prize hackathon. That's kind of crazy. Yeah, Bolt is one of the tools that I use. Bolt.new, is that who it is? I'm trying to read it now. Go ahead. It would make sense that it's them because I play around with all kinds of different tools and you have to stay on top of what are the new tools.

And bolt.new is great for UI. So I use something like that chat GPT-V or something to prompt bolt.new, which actually uses Claude, but it's particularly good at... design it can create the prototype it can even uh connect with like super base or or some kind of a hosting thing but it's not good at doing any like hardcore coding or debugging so you use it to kind of get the framework set up and then you throw it over to github and then you use you know cursor or coder or something to actually really build it out but that's actually been a really good workflow so anyway I would think it's probably bolt.new

Okay. Someone has to do an AI interface for change control systems. I think that would help a lot of people get into programming that aren't into it. Yeah. Well, I mean, I just have brief descriptions here, and they're not great. The best I can see here, as far as names are concerned, are the panelists, like Peter Levels and Greg Heisenberg. So, I don't know. I don't know if any of you gentlemen know those names, but I do not. I'm uncertain. I've heard the name Eisenberg before. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I'm surprised Schrodinger didn't make it. He made it and didn't make it, depending on whether or not you check.

Okay, so yeah. I mean, it looks like, except for that one, the others seem comparatively small, but obviously they'd all be new anyway. sure so so it looks like it's happening but there's space for more yeah well it's like um I feel like people need to get into this idea of sort of brute force in the solution space right it's not that your idea will be good or that your neighbor's idea will be good or that your buddy's idea will be good it's that somebody if you encourage everyone to try something will have an idea that changes the game Yeah, that's the whole vision for open source. Right.

And you can just look at the Industrial Revolution if you need proof that this works when you do it completely unbounded. And that's what is possible on an anonymity protective system. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That might actually be interesting to have. vibe hackathon that was anonymous oh yeah that would be awesome everybody could get assigned uh you know an anonymous moniker a code name that is just you know yeah it's taboo to name your name you don't identify yourself right and you don't try to identify anybody else that's the code of joining the hack

would be pretty cool because if anybody comes up with anything that's really outside then they won't feel afraid to say it yeah they won't feel free to assert an idea that's like yeah we're gonna put dr scooters on every street corner and no city council can do anything about it forever right you know um that's my dream I want to see cities suffer no I'm teasing joke I like to tell to illustrate the idea no my wife and I moved out to the country in the beginning of twenty twenty one and we weren't running away from a virus fleeing tyranny yeah that's why I left Indiana for the same reason another

Indiana yeah I was in Indiana for a while Well, I grew up in Indiana. They're fast, man. They're really dark. They're fast in Indianapolis. There was a time when it was nice downtown. And by the time we left, it was like constant staccato gunshots from all over the place. It just got scary. It was nuts. I left in ninety four. So that was a while ago. They fixed up the downtown before I moved there. And I got this wrong impression of it that it was going to stay that way. Oh no, Aaron saw it coming. He's visionary. Don Finley keeps saying, alternative systems already showcased and discussed all over YouTube, Google, Reddit. What's the hook for Zeno?

Not trying to be a pooper, just trying to get you talking about marketing strategies. Well, again, I don't know what these alternative solutions are that are privacy-based about privacy tokenizing assets. And again, so the hook is actually privacy. And so I'm not seeing these other showcased private solutions that are anywhere I think I would have heard about them but again just look at the applications the the couple of the applications that have already launched so freedom dollar so stable coins are obviously popular twenty seven trillion dollars a year and now all of a sudden they've been backdoored and and put under the control of congress and the federal reserve so having a private

solution to that is actually pretty pretty valuable uh and then confidential layer treasuries Yeah. And then confidential layer opens up. It takes two point seven trillion dollars worth of existing assets and makes them private. So those are pretty big hooks that get into, you know, a twenty seven trillion dollar stream of payments and then two point seven trillion dollars worth of assets that are that are transparent. Now, part of the issue is, yeah. I would say there's also a lack of interlock between it and the established crypto system because it's a privacy system and they tend to get sort of segregated, right? You don't see a lot of... It's weird that you can go

on Gemini and get private mode Zcash sent off exchange and they don't do anything to try to track you heuristically in any way because those guys just happen to like that project and believe in it. weirdly enough or at least they say I don't know if that's true I don't know those guys which project like you can go on gemini exchange like the the centralized exchange run by the guys that got fucked over by mark zuckerberg in the early two thousands the winklevoss twins they will let you they will let you send in private mode off exchange and it works and I've done it before not it or not done it before I did not I did not know that yeah So it's just weird to see

cross-pollination, and that's good if you're worried about entanglement with the stablecoin stuff full of treasuries like Voidragese and ecosystem stability because of all the tokens that are tied to those stablecoins. If you have a smart contract with a stablecoin that is controlled like that as a counterparty, you're kind of contaminated. So maybe being separate from it altogether is another really big advantage that we just haven't realized is a big advantage yet. Yeah. Yeah. So obviously I think we're at early, early adoption, but again, when I compare it to when I started in this, there are no wallets, none of these projects. So the momentum is, is huge.

And obviously the, you know, the price, the price going up will help get more people excited. Not that that's the marketing strategy. Don't let us hope that nobody gets really into pairs that trade Zeno for a USDC or something. Yeah, exactly. Well, if you want to do that, use FUSD, you know? Right. But I mean, nobody with FUSD should ever in their right minds connect it to anything to do with that, because that will touch some of the value proposition and then the value network will get readjusted. No, no, no. I mean… FUSD is your stablecoin, basically. Oh, it is, for sure. There's no reason to go to…

Why trade it to the other one? I wasn't saying trading it. I'm just saying, you know, Zano FUSD pair. There's no point for a USDC. I was just thinking, like, if they did that… If somebody did that, it would probably be to turn it into something they could turn into USD proper, right? To get it out. So they'd take it to some exchange, and the exchange wouldn't let them put… privacy coins directly into cash without taking the obligatory kyc anal mri well I mean the whole point is to leave it in I mean that there's no reason to take it out well especially now with the uh card thing if you're really in a pinch I guess you can do it now I mean

I'm adopting little by little because I have to make a gradual transition really before I can live on crypto. I'm kind of new to the game. I actually had to come back from it during all the stuff. During Biden, you couldn't live on just crypto. Before the crash I was getting paid in crypto right like I was living on crypto it the only time it ever turned into usd was briefly before I spent it and I held my nose because I couldn't find another way to pay yeah well that's the thing when you're in that situation um at least now that card makes it possible I couldn't find a way to pay in the time I needed to find it in but there'll be more there'll be other alternatives that'll come

out too yeah right so yeah I think we need to account for the fact people are going to have a hard time making that transition. But ultimately, you'll just want to use your wallet and just like someone scans it and gives you an ear of corn. Yeah. You know, that's the idea. Right. Why should the secondary market commodity feel... like it's even there at all. Shouldn't barter really happen almost transparently with the value sort of quantifying itself in the background for you? Yeah. And at first, like local communities would come up with their own, you know, just by interaction and trading, they would come up with their own, you know, value system and, you know, pricing and stuff. I mean,

you could do futures as prediction markets if you didn't want to do them centralized, you know, that would be another way. But then people might reach out and say, well, you know what? Over there in that town, you know, it only costs, you know, here it costs one point three Xeno over there. It costs one point two, you know? Yeah. So it'll it'll expand out from there. But for sure, Don keeps on focusing on. Go ahead. No, go ahead. I'm sure one of I'm sure one of Don's comments is get that Wayfarer guy off of there. no no don keeps on being concerned about the general public he's always talking about the general public and public attention and that's not how technology adoption works

You have to focus on early adopters. What percentage of the population knows or cares about crypto? What percentage of the population ever knows or cares about any new innovation? That's not where you target. You don't target mass market first. The most important thing that you can do for... If you want to throw out a VC pitch real fast, go in there without a market segment you're targeting. well the the most important thing to do with the broader public is to make them aware of technocracy that's the the problem is they're not aware of their the threat that's the biggest problem for the mass market and so this is where I spend a third of my time on technocracy until after they were being

oppressed all right so I've been spent a third of my time on that a third of my time on trying to show people that they've given up their free will, that they have free will and that they can take it back, but that they've already given it up. And then the third part is building the solutions. I'd rather just focus in one area, but if you have to do all three and you have to start at least getting people aware of what's going on, but you're going to get the mass market. You're not going to get the mass market until you have a solution that is easy enough and scales. So every minute spent on the mass market is a complete waste of time. Right. And the way that you find the mass market is by

starting with the early adopters and trying new things until the early adopter quantity explodes. Exactly. You start with a small pool of hobbyists if you can get people interested in your idea. And if the idea has any interest worth being interested in, you'll find them. It's the internet. Everybody has everything on the internet as a niche, right? What's the old rule? It's the thirty-four. If you can imagine it, there's already porn of it. Right. That's the effect we're looking for with programs that set up parallel systems. Yep. Yeah. So, so I mean, I think that, but, but also, so here's the thing, tokenization is happening, whether people even know about it or not.

So again, BlackRock, the Clarity Act, the Genius Act, so everything is going to be tokenized. So you have to understand whether people know about it or not. People don't know how the current financial system works. People don't know how their bank account works. People don't know what the Federal Reserve is. People don't, but that doesn't stop them from, from using it. And they're actually being pushed into tokenization that is happening. So the only decision now is, are we able to educate people and build, you know, systems that are easy enough to use that are private or not, but, but tokenization is happening. Everybody's going to have tokenized assets. So, um,

question of the question is going to, is it going to come with a presumption of, and a direct integration with KYC systems? Of course. Here's another good one for you guys to check out that somebody should look into on Zeno, because I bet you it's good for this. Have you ever talked about identities or not identity, rather? Decentralized identity, which should be properly called decentralized reputation. The identity systems, even the standards bodies around decentralized ID are proposing. all come with baked in integrations with KYC systems from the government and have done so in a way that's been actively anti-transparent. Like normally the standards things happen in the open,

but if you want to go find where the problem children are, you go look for where they're not letting you into the hearing. The ones they're not letting you into are the ones where they talk about this stuff. The ones where they talk about decentralized identity, connecting with KYC and identifying vendors. That's the stuff they do behind closed doors with standards. And that's the stuff that's being enforced by people who come out harping standards. So we can't do it like standards bodies do it. We have to go faster than them. Yeah, well, I mean, talking about KYC, it looks like that's going to be a... If it keeps happening, we're headed that direction

where you need KYC to be on the internet. It's crazy. There's barely any lipstick on it. It's a pig that is entirely about just tyrannizing whoever they decide to target with. They're just making it safe for children. It's making it safe for children. But, you know, that's the thing that happened in Mississippi. Mississippi passed that law where, you know, all websites have to verify age now if they have any kind of user interaction. Do they market it as the Mandate to Market for VPNs Act of... I don't know.

So eventually they sold a lot of VPNs after that. Yeah, but the thing is they did that. Something a lot of people from Mexico are interested in in Mississippi stuff. They did that and it made its way to the Supreme Court, but the Supreme Court on a technicality said, no, we can't deal with this yet. We don't like the way such and such was filed or whatever. Wasn't it a standing thing, actually? Yeah, it's standing. What? Right, they said they didn't have standing, I think. No, it wasn't a complete rejection. It was kind of like the way it was filed, but the opinion from Chief Justice... Oh, for God's sake, I forget his name. The Chief Justice wrote about it, and he's... Oh, Roberts.

And he said, you know, I think the court would probably overturn this, but we don't like the way it was filed, and so we're going to you know, send this back. But in the meantime, it can stand, you know, basically. We think this is unconstitutional, but you guys can go ahead and do that. The other thing that needs disrupting is the way that people get conflict resolution done, right? If we could put that kind of thing on chain and make justice truly blind by making it anonymous and based, for example, privacy network would be a really great way to orchestrate the internals of a justice system. wow well you know there's the reason why lady justice has a blindfold exactly

maybe we should just put the blindfold in the structure instead of the promises the people who run it make yeah there's that they definitely need innovation there there's no doubt about yeah about that I I don't know how to do that but that is a question that is that has come up I mean I think I said this earlier, working on my last podcast, we need to talk about first principles and not even necessarily the idea that we're pushing for a... a new government, but even to have people that are experimenting with network states or people that are even sticking with their existing structures should probably examine them from some perspective. And that's not happening at all.

That's what I wrote Law Zero about. That's what I totally agree with Mark Passio about. It's like, None of these things are going to work until people realize what right and wrong are. Well, I mean, and can you expect that of human beings ever? Maybe really the question is, can any of these work until we realize that right and wrong is going to be a hard question to answer? Well, maybe just a good amount. And, you know, I think it is... You know, some might say no, but I think it is possible to at least get the

majority of human beings on this planet to realize don't initiate harm. I agree. It doesn't seem like that heavy of a lift when you think about it in simple terms. Yeah. The problem is what people define as the lines, right? Like everyone's, every human screws up in the polysemi department. If the majority of people were actually trying to focus on maybe deciphering some of these gray areas... If they had the intention to do so, to want to get things right, that's enough to make the world a lot better in the first place. The right question to ask, I feel like, is what can we do from a framework standpoint to make sure that the results we're getting stop chewing

and spitting people out? The systems we designed to fix this right now laughably and dramatically cause the problems they claim to solve. That's pretty much all they do. And we need to figure out how we get out of this malaise. What did we screw up in our system design setup when we came up with the idea of institutions that made them all do this? All one hundred percent across the board turn into a monster that eats you in the end. Well, that's where it comes back to, you know, just having that sense of right and wrong, because then those people who are in operation of these systems wouldn't be just like, oh, that's just the way it is. They'd be like, wait a minute, this is wrong.

You know what I mean? The problem is right now is just that idea of like, oh, it's always going to be like this. Just do the best you can, whatever, soldier on. Right. And the monsters kind of trained us all to just sort of feed it. Like that was the classic dragon tyrant thing to do with. Have you guys ever heard the fable of the dragon tyrant? This is like from old school before the technocrat wing took over, honest to God libertarian transhumanists told this story back when it was still possible to be in that club and be a libertarian transhumanist. But if you check the story out, it's the story of this dragon that encroaches on a kingdom and it's a parable for death, right?

The way that humans learn to love death and rationalize it in the end is ultimately because we can't do anything about it and we're terrified. When things change and we can do something about it because the systems have changed and our abilities have changed because we've learned, right? How do we learn to get over the fact that we were hopeless before reasonably, but now our hopelessness on this front and our rationalizations for our hopelessness on this front are killing us. And we have to learn to undo these and recognize that the only reason we believe we don't have the tools to win is because we've been trained to believe that. Yeah. that that's the whole that's

the whole idea it's like if you say it's not possible or that'll never happen or human nature will prevent that you're right never gonna happen exactly exactly that came up on monday and yeah I I was listening I wasn't here live but I was listening after the fact and I was like oh when I was starting to look, when I did my thing about first principles, so it's like, I don't actually know the answers. I mean, some people like, well, the founders kind of assume that we were selfish kind of bad people. I don't know if that's true, how much of it is actually programming. Now, of course, if it is mostly programming, the fact that we've had this kind of programming for as long as we have,

how do you fix that? How do you change that? Right. That's a hard thing to, to reverse. And so, yeah. after I listened to that episode I was up for a few hours I couldn't sleep I didn't sleep that night because I listened to the episode and I had things in my head and I one of the things that at least metaphysically I've encountered is just this whole idea especially after reading some robert monroe books about the earth life system and then viewing it that way the survival of the fittest mentality It's like, here, we find ourselves in this creation where we're on this planet, and in order to live, you need to feed on other life of some sort. Whether it's vegetable or animal,

you still feed on life. It's like competition. The endless race and service of entropy. yeah if you look outside it's just like it's like all right who came up with this idea um that this is what's going to happen but anyway it the idea is like if you're born into a system like that yeah any kind of internal programming is to survive um and of course we're born as human beings not really capable of surviving we need help um but there's still like a drive there you know you cry out for when you're hungry you cry when you're tired you cry everything because you're feeling pain that's our first program source of language trained by suffering trained by pain, trained by discomfort.

That's how we get our training, even if there's no parent involved. Well, and empathy from that probably was the roots of the concept of love and parental concern and even divinity. It probably comes from that because it flows from the fact that if you can see another person in yourself, it's really easy, for instance, to see your kids in yourself, but not as easy to see somebody from across the world in yourself. And you feel their pain when they experience it and you want to protect them from it. Oh, yeah. It incites love, right? Oh, yeah. that that is the big um I guess middle finger against the earth life system it's like no I'm gonna love that person I'm gonna care for

that person not to view everybody as competition you might you might get most of these seagulls to this freaking oil slick but not this fucking one that's the thing that gets people out on the beach right so I mean I think that's like part of the basic programming there so human nature is not something where oh we're just greedy because we want to or we're just selfish because we want to it's kind of like those things are traps that you can fall into rather than having an enlightened self-interest you know where you see to your needs but also see that other people have needs and you you at least have some empathy you know They're relational errors that foreground a thing

that needs to come after relationships, right? Like that's why you screw up your reputation when you cheat somebody and you find out why you don't want to be a cheater. Because if your reputation sucks, then you either have to get a new one if you can, which I think people should be allowed to do because that's a punishment in and of itself is to have to start over. It's about getting to the point of realizing it is in your own self-interest not to initiate harm to others. And to facilitate a world where harm isn't easy to initiate. It's going to be better for you too. Not giving people excuses to have machines that hurt other people, for example, regardless of the motive of

the law or the justness of the cause or whatever. So I think a big part of human nature, as you call it, and I don't even want to necessarily call it that, we're just kind of born, or at least our first experiences teach us fear. And that's a very, you know, something that's hardwired into our programming. And I think it's that fear that makes us do the worst things. Unless you're like a psychopath or a sociopath that hasn't the ability to fear, because only people without the ability to fear can really commit atrocities. You can't be afraid of being wrong if you can't fear. I know that psychopaths aren't capable of having compassion, but is it they're incapable of having fear?

Well, no, there are certain forms of sort of maladjusted person. I don't really like the labels psychopathy and sociopathy because they don't really describe the brain. They describe a psychological experiment done in a black box way on the brain. So we can come up with a way to describe an observational result in an experiment that studies psychology. But we can't really understand what lights up in one's head. We don't really know the motives. It could just be one gigantic fundamental attribution error of a system where we go psychopath, but really it's this kind of malfunction and that kind of malfunction that seems similar, but here someone shows no empathy and here someone

shows cunning in spite of having empathy. And those would be two different things. But we have these categories that come from these tests that presume to not know how the brain works and to believe that it's not possible to know how the brain makes thought. Because psychology makes room for other origins for consciousness and human behavior. It black boxes it so far that we don't even start with a materialist connectionist view of mind. And that's why I think it falls over. But setting that aside just as a dumb throwaway label, there's certain subsets of psychological wound where your personality disorder is, I have no fear. I think a lot of those

people do the most dangerous things. That's the thing, since academia is such a competitive system, these different disciplines don't communicate. And psychology and psychiatry are on their own things, and they don't recognize the importance also of the physical. And it's like, you're not going to have a good mental state if you have a bad gut biome. You know what I mean? It's very true. No, it's true. So true. Or like a toothache or whatever, right? People have this well of vitality to get back after they recover from an injury. But yeah, our digestive system is innately tied into our psychology as

well as our immune system and everything. Yeah. Well, the way our minds create experience is to sweep across the whole thing, right? It's activated like a tick of a clock back and forth in a wave, right? Our brains go like that. That's why they have different kinds of waves for different kinds of experiences. Oh, yeah. having a sense in your gut that something should make you go a certain way in your mind, that's an activation taking place across the network that doesn't require any kind of weight transport, but happens every second you think, every second you exist. If you breathe, in that moment you started breathing, neurons over here activate neurons in your fucking shoulder,

if you think about it. That's how brains are actually kind of the ultimate omni-tool, because they ultimately can orchestrate and parallel anything you plug into them. Yeah, I even felt it earlier, because I've been kind of sitting in this chair using my voice for some work I do, and it was a lot of hours today, and I was turned to get my voice right on the microphone like this. You know, for most of the day, my neck's turned that way. And earlier tonight, when I just came on, I felt like something in my back. I'm like... And it's like, all of a sudden, that moment, I also felt flashes of just kind of like fear and anxiety and all this stuff, all just from like doing

this most of the day, you know? Have you guys seen that old TED talk where the guy learns to hear like present sense impression of sound from a vest that he's wearing? You guys ever seen that one? No. No. It's a classic. That one actually demonstrates like the idea of brain just sort of learning patterns based on what's being connected to their network. Mm-hmm. guy was born without being able to hear and by the time he had worn this vest for like a week based on the way they designed it he was able to relay the words that people were saying based on vibrations it was picking up and transmitting to him through his back he described it as hearing in present sense right like

where was the new sensor replaced the broken ones where were the vibrations um well I guess the vest was a transducer you know taking sound energy converting it to electricity and then the electricity fidelity haptics it was high fidelity haptics it was just vibrating oh I mean vibrating rather complexly right like enough to give the sound the fidelity it needed for his skin to replace his ears oh which took time Which took time, right? But ultimately that's what it came to, was they used touch receptors to emulate hearing signals and the brain started reading them like that for enough time. Wow. So you didn't need to do anything to them physically other than putting a vest on.

Right. Because the kind of data and the kind of... Touch is a really sensitive system, right? Like you can actually see a lot through haptics. You can actually, if you've ever done one of those haptics sort of weird science labs, Get ready to be amazed if you ever get a chance because you can have a vibration, do things like trigger hot and cold or sensations of wet or rough texture if it's done right. It's a whole realm of just like, and they're going to be AIs probably that design subtle haptics generatively pretty soon. We're going to vibe code different sensations that come through skin. I guarantee, literally vibe code, I guess. Wow. Kind of like how sharks sense things through kind

of like a mucus that they have on their noses. Right. Small charge or whatever, right? Yeah. I know one point I was interested in possibly getting one of these. Have you heard of this God helmet? Oh, yeah. What's this? It's a helmet that gives you the feeling or almost like just the impression that there's a divine being near you. Hmm. I think that's the god helmet you're talking about, right? Yeah, yep, yep. Well, I believe it can actually create other states as well, but yeah, it uses a weak electromagnetic field to stimulate the temporal lobes. I don't even remember how I found out about this, but I was seriously looking at it at one point. I don't know if you can buy them anymore.

I would have marketed it from the fire with them. I would have called it a wizard hat, and I would have made up a story about the wizard that you were making. now there you go wow but you know that that that brings up some questions as far as like well other than the obvious ones for me I'm just wondering okay if it gives you that state I wonder if what would happen if I put it on would it be like you know uh would you get an impression of god the loving or god the punisher Right. And would it matter more the framing or would it matter more the mindset you bring to it to begin with, your past experiences with the divine and that kind of thing? You grew up in a situation

where if you didn't say the prayers right, you got to rap on the knuckles. You might have a different impression of divine than somebody who's raised in a unified church. Or is it like DMT where I guess everybody has the same experience? I had such a different experience on DMT. People are full of shit at least. The ones that are getting highlighted are a case within a subset of potential cases. My experience with DMT was entirely different from anybody's. It doesn't even work like I think people think because of this. Or I just had a bad experience with DMT and it just doesn't agree with me. I had the world essentially go sort of hyper real and mirror-like the whole time.

That was my experience with it. And I also encountered entities perfectly in the real world, but I didn't go anyplace else. And the entities were total hallucinations, like obvious, cliche, classic hallucinations that you might expect from any... I didn't mean to take the drug actually, but... When I encountered it, I was just like, people are coming to a place and seeing these entities. And I tried it, and reality got shiny for a while. I was like, that's neat, because it ends fast. I could get into this, I guess. But it just didn't seem that revelatory to me, I guess. Yeah, I've not heard that. I've always heard the standard. Ayahuasca was a different matter. That was legit.

That was terrifying. Wow. Yeah, I don't need fear. Oh, man. The coolest thing I ever got out of a decent hallucinogen was I literally kept playing guitar better than I actually could before I started. And it was after the high wore off and it stayed. This is the coolest thing ever happened. That was LSD. So I always had trouble just like running scales fluidly. And I sat down to play while I was in the middle of an LSD trip for the very first time. And I imagined my hands working the right way, the way I wanted them to. And I was sure that when it

was done that I would go back to being clunky, right? Like that it was just a visual effect that I was imagining myself or hallucinating myself being better. But a good chunk of it stayed. It was the damnedest thing. You kind of retrained things. yeah no it's it's I think it's there's some therapeutic value in it that people probably are missing oh yeah definitely have you guys uh had any similar experiences or is that not something you feel comfortable about putting on a live stream well not in the recent decades No, I've found I could be productive on it. It was a long time ago. It was like, twenty five years ago. So, I mean, obviously, it depends on the amount.

I wouldn't say I was even micro dosing, but definitely the ability to put together different patterns and, and solve problems in a creative way. Yeah. So I've never had a bad experience with any, anything with, well, I mean, I guess I had, I mean, ayahuasca, I mean, it was terrifying, but I mean, it was in a, in a good way in the end. I mean, if you're using ayahuasca, you're not doing it for, I mean, there's a serious reason you're, you're doing it. Yeah. But still, being seriously terrified. But you guys don't even want to know. It would make you think less of me,

probably. But you'd be like, holy shit, for real? Yeah, it would be that level that happened to me. So the TLDR version is in a country that I was unfamiliar with the language and didn't speak it. I randomly got dosed by somebody who thought they were giving me a present. And I thought that I was getting something entirely different. And so wandered around said foreign country for the better part of forty eight hours completely blitzed out of my mind on ayahuasca. Oh, wow. Yeah. That's not, that's not the right way to do that. That is definitely not. Well, it was accidental, right? Like I thought I was getting like a sip of whiskey or something. I don't know. I was stupid. I was young.

I was dumb. Oh yeah. That must have, I could see how that would be terrifying. Wow. Yeah. Transformative actually though, um, changes the way you look at the world, but, uh, it's scary. Yeah. I bet. I've had transformative experiences. Another thing I'd recommend reading at home if anybody's curious. Don't go to a foreign country. It's not set in setting that you want. No. no and basically I'm at I don't know and in in my adult life it's like I I'm now feeling more like you know I'm I'm all right you know right now I may not be all right but I'm all right

yeah you know sure and uh um but binaural beats are one thing that have been helpful for me those are cool yeah yeah you mentioned my own Yeah, you mentioned Monroe earlier. And I actually, well, I've got the gateway experience stuff that I played around with a little bit, but then I actually found out about Tom Campbell. This is probably five years ago and I guess he's the guy that worked with bob monroe he was a scientist an engineer who actually worked on simulations for nasa but then stumbled into transcendental meditation and and then found he could actually it really ramped

up his ability to to solve things um and then so he helped bob monroe to try to replicate monroe's out-of-body experiences and try to do it scientifically how can we induce these similar states over and over again and so he was deploying so I took one of his online things and I mean he had yeah there's an open source tool for creating by arnold beats which I'm sure it sounds like you use neat no I I'm a synthesis guy so I I I don't need a tool I just use two oscillators just kind of detune them slightly and I'm working with different frequencies and then different amounts although generally if you're looking for a delta wave state it's like uh you know four to seven hertz

you know so you want the frequencies to be apart by that much Is it more of an art or a science to uncover where the different places are? Well, like anything, every human being is going to respond a little bit differently, I think. Although I've never done experimentation with other people other than ask them their thoughts after I gave them some of... my sound experiences and um interesting yeah I know for me it is something that sucks you in it's soothing sucks you in and then I do find my mind is quite quieter I have a difficulty with that in general it's like my mind is constantly

chattering talking the chimp mind is going on all the time and then when I'm trying to sleep unless I'm exhausted I usually can't and so the binaural beats help a bit and and uh yeah there was one time I was just slightly I was just on the edge of going out of body and I tell you it's not what you think you think maybe it'd be kind of like you know glowy stuff where you just kind of leave your body and you're lifting up new new you feel this this sensation that you kind of remember but kind of don't it's kind of new but you kind of remember and it's like I chickened out.

I feel like it felt like a pinch is what it felt like. Yeah. Like a pinch where sort of your sensorium was being pinched down into a very small point. Yeah, where everything kind of, and it's nothing, it's like nothing in front of you. Still, you sense it there, but it's close to you like here. Exactly. Yeah, that's exactly right. It's interesting. But then when I was feeling my body kind of leaving through the vibrations or, you know, getting distant from my mind, I was like, whoa, it's scary. Well, there's a certain degree you can pull yourself back from it too. Like you don't have to go. Well, no, that's what happened. I didn't go, but I'm like, I'm trying to get back there again.

Come on, please give me another shot. Yeah. So I'm working on that. It's a, When you unlock the formula, you got to share it. Well, there's not one formula. I mean, I've tried all these other techniques that people, even Robert Monroe's work, it gets me really relaxed. But as an audio person, I'm listening to his recordings and the beats and stuff and the slight changes going on. And I'm like just thinking about that and I can't get my mind to just not, you know, think. Well, I think you might want to look into Tom Campbell because his whole approach is that, you know, all of the rituals and everything that Bob Monroe goes through, you don't need any of that. And so he really does try to

strip it down to just, you know, it's like, all right, you know, he produces binaural beats and hear all the different frequencies. Some have white noise, some don't or whatever. But, you know, he takes a much more kind of direct approach. I don't know. I experimented with it for a while and then, and then I'm kind of like, Hey, do I really even, you know, how, how much do I even want to do this? Um, So I guess I haven't had the time to experiment with it. Yeah. Some nights it's just like I want to sleep. Well, not some nights. It's like most nights I just want to sleep. Yeah, well, yeah, I get that. I definitely appreciate that. I haven't slept for a while. That's what I mean.

Yeah, I hear you. I also... uh feel like there's a lot of fun reasons to to let yourself stay awake too so sometimes you know it takes like a good solid sleep deprivation spell to get really creative oh yeah sleep deprivation can do some wow some things it's an imagination uh kickstarter if you have the stomach for it or a psychosis kickstarter well I mean you don't want to do it like you know multiple days in a row or anything crazy oh no no I'm late yeah that's that's pretty good I feel like I recommend staying up late for people oh just staying up late yeah fine I'm a night owl you know yeah definitely yeah no I don't

mean like hardcore sleep deprivation like you know uh oh um what was the project the U.S government did where they tested sleep deprivation um effects on people we don't I don't mean like that or they use it as a weapon oh I don't know the name of that but they made a movie about it called the men the men who stare at goats Was that about sleep? I don't know that that was about sleep deprivation. Well, no. One of the things that they discovered in all of the whole project had this one little side piece that had to do with sleep deprivation. The only time it ever touched the mainstream media was the time when they advertised that they tortured uh detainees by playing barney over and over again

which emerged from that that same program right and you learn about it from the point of view of the men who started god's creator who was the the reporter who tried to tell a bigger story about it and the only part that was remembered was this right wow wild times yeah tax dollars put to good use I'm sure that was probably all a USAID production, but. No, sleep is important. Yeah, I was going to say, speaking of sleep, I've been on this for four hours and fifteen minutes, and I got almost no sleep last night. Same. Well, actually,

I had plenty of sleep last night, but you should totally get some sleep. I wouldn't mind winding it down unless you guys have any particularly crucial things. No, but I look forward to your discussion on first principles and things like that. yeah because yeah I'm certainly of the opinion that new tools and stuff like that are not going to lead to as much good as they should unless you know the people using them at least don't want to harm each other let's just put it that way that would be nice unexpected but yeah I hear you yeah Let me, and even if we can't trust people, right. Build systems that make it so that even when harms happen,

they happen locally and, and, uh, don't turn into institutions. Yeah. All right. Well, thank you very much for, uh, for popping on and appreciated the conversation. That was a good, a good chat and a lot of, a lot of information tonight. So, so thank you both. Well, yeah, now that, now that you have this, um, you know, a new schedule here. It looks like I'll be able to stop by the chat and, you know, hear you live. Awesome. Great to, great to have you on anytime. Awesome. Have a great night. Yeah. Catch you guys later. Bye. We don't, we don't break.

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