S2E41: Oasana - Escape Medical Tyranny with Private Health Tourism

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Welcome back to the Aaron Day Show. This is season 2, episode 41. And [clears throat] tonight is a very exciting show. I'm going to show a preview of a medical tourism marketplace which will be promoting Zeno and Freedom Dollar um and you know potentially other assets on the Zeno ecosystem as potential payment. You know, we've been talking the last couple of episodes and by the way, I'm in Salt Lake City right now. So, you know, in the past when I've been traveling and doing a podcast, I've had some issues with live streams, the internet access has been okay, [snorts] but not great. So, if I it's possible that I might get disconnected and have to connect back

in. So, just understand that's what's uh that's what's going on. And we don't have the obviously the full setup here, although I did bring my mic and actually most of my computer equipment. So, I don't have the normal, you know, presentation that I would normally go through. Um, but what I do have is I'll give you a preview of of a slideshow that I'm going to have running at the Brownstone Institute. So, we're sponsoring this Brownstone Institute gala here in Salt Lake City. We're going to have a table. I mean, it's going to be kind of a low-key table. So, usually at these things, it's all about the Brownstone event, but it's going to be a place where people can

start to learn about what the Daylight Freedom Foundation is. So, what I'm going to show you here is essentially going to be the basis of a self-running presentation. But, as I've been talking about for the last several podcasts, this is what I've been building towards is this kind of November one launch date as our soft launch of all of the things that we've been building up to to this point. And the purpose of what we're doing is to try to build a movement of people that are actually interested in reclaiming their free will, taking back their free will. People that are sick of politics, understand that there's no way you can vote your way out. Are sick of

watching constant ragebait where people sit around and argue over who's responsible for what's wrong with the world while endeavoring to do absolutely nothing about it. >> the complaining about it doesn't fix >> [snorts] things. And to the extent that the idea that most of the complaining is about influencing politics, it hasn't. So, it's just wasted time and wasted energy. And I've gotten sick of it myself. And so, I've been spending a lot of my time, [snorts] one on focusing on what the real problem is, which is technocracy. Uh but then more so lately is spending more of my time on creating solutions to help people get out of the current situation

because I found as people hear more and more about what's going on and they see the economy and AI and technocracy and these other things, they they tend to get to the point where they kind of throw their hands up and say, "Well, I guess it's inevitable." And and people aren't fighting back. And in some cases, they're resigned to, well, you know, I guess Peter Teal's better than Bill Gates, so I guess we're going to have technocracy. And none of that is true. We We have free will. We have the ability to build better alternative systems than what we currently have today, let alone, you know, certainly better than the complete digital prison that is mostly built already around us.

And so I'm going to go through very quickly what the what this, you know, again, self-running slideshow, but I'll kind of narrate a little bit about what the overview is of what what we're doing. And and the whole point of this, and this is my wife and I that started this [snorts] a while ago, the whole point of Daylight Freedom is to empower free will and to build alternatives to technocracy. And as I've said several times, and most people aren't aware of this, but the real battle is freedom versus technocracy. This is the only real battle right now. It's not Republicans versus Democrats. It's not China versus the US or any of these other manufactured conflicts. I mean, you some

people who say, "Oh, it's the neocons. It's this." No, there's a movement that's been going on for the last 90 years. That's a network of people that are pushing an ideology of a centralized global government where technocrats control everything. And technocrats are just scientists and engineers who are put into this position of ultimate authority to make decisions for all of us. And the way this gets implemented, as I said, this is an idea that started over 90 years ago. And even at the time, 90 years ago, the idea was, hey, we're going to change the economy and we're going to move to away from this price-based system where people buy things based on supply and demand and

we're going to implement an energy credit system, which what today would we look at that as a carbon credit system. This that idea goes back 90 years. And then the idea is once you control the currency through energy credits, then you have a social credit system where scientists and engineers determine what behaviors you're allowed to have in your life and in essence determine whether or not you even have free will. Because if you can't make decisions in your life that aren't pre-seelected by scientists and engineers, and by the way, the scientists and engineers, that part of the equation has evolved where the scientists and engineers will now be replaced by AGI, artificial general

intelligence. So, what's really at stake in this freedom versus technocracy war is free will itself. And so it's critical to focus on on what the problem is so that you can understand what types of solutions are available. We're not going to vote our way out. And I'm not going to talk about that in detail today. I've talked about it before. My wife and I'll do one final long layown of this in terms for those that are [snorts] newly believing that you know politics is what you learned in elementary school or what you see on TV. It's not. You have to deal with the political situation as it is and it's unwinable.

But the funny thing is there are people that believe that that we won this last election and that we're going to restore civilization as a result of the election. And the reality is technocracy accelerated at 10 times the pace under the Trump administration than it did previously under the Biden administration. And what's worse is there's no resistance. And in fact, I would argue MAGA and Maha are now complicit in pushing technocracy and probably may or may not know it. [snorts] So that's not a solution. But it's it's time to stop asking for, you know, forgiveness or permission. It's time to build and not beg.

So on that topic of maha medical freedom, you know, we own our own health. There is no permission needed nor should you be asking for forgiveness. This is a you know fundamental component. We own own our body and our decisions about it. And in this healthc care realm the technocracy has expanded at an alarming rate more so than I even thought at the beginning of the year. And we've been digging into this into the in these technocracy roundts and probably two or three of the last podcasts that I've done, I've gone into great detail on this, but we're in a situation now where Palunteer is building a a healthcare database nationwide. They're already building a

healthcare database for the National Health Service in the UK, which a lot of people don't know. And they're starting to marry the civilian data with the military information that they're collecting as they're already a contractor for the CIA and other entities. And Trump has green lit Palunteer to build a database of Americans. And this is not innocuous because then you have on top of that you have operation Stargate with Larry Ellison and Oracle which is the database that the Federal Reserve uses data one of the databases the CIA uses and Sam Alman and the idea is to build a complete centralized system where we are all scored where healthcare decisions and what is

available to us will be determined algorithmically. AI is already and I'm not anti- AI as you probably know kind of it's like with all technology just like with digital currency big enemy of CBDC's and government regulated stable coins but I love privacy coins again technology can go either way but AI is not being implemented in a way that is pro-human or pro- free will it's being used by companies like United Healthcare and Sigma to automatically deny claims and then it's used as the appeal. If you if you appeal if you

don't like the decision that the AI made, you get to appeal to the AI. It's been estimated that up to 90% of the Medicare Advantage claims that have been submitted to United Healthcare were rejected. And this is the source of an ongoing lawsuit. So now, you know, these insurance companies are really slow to pay out, but they're they're processing these claims now in 02 seconds and using these algorithms primarily to reject payment or to reject service. Next year, starting in Q1, Medicare and Medicaid are going to begin implementing AI. [snorts] And again, you know, the

problem is some people are like, "Oh, yeah, this is going to be about cost savings." And certainly the government shouldn't be in healthcare at all. The question isn't whether we should be applying AI to Medicare or Medicaid. We we shouldn't have the government involved in healthcare. In what started out as a [snorts] small measure to provide relief to a small percentage of the population, the government is now the largest purchaser of healthcare services in the United States. 47% of every dollar spent on healthcare is paid for by the government. And so they now set all the prices. They set all the terms. And then what they do filters into the private insurance market and

they're moving to AI and they are moving to wearables. This is the opposite of medical freedom. I don't care whether they you know remove COVID vaccine from the schedule or not. This implementation of AI in the health care system is a million times worse than whatever modifications might be made to the COVID vaccine. And it's happening right now under this administration that people thought was going to bring medical freedom to the world or to the country at least. So the five values for for daylight freedom, I mean we're building this as a this is kind of again it's a movement. the the idea behind it is to empower people, but it's based on these core

ideas of free will. And I've been talking about this a lot, decentralization. So free will versus determinism. This is actually, this may sound trivial. It's actually the most important element of this. The people that are pushing technocracy do not believe in free will. This is a whole debate that's been going on in the health care realm for 2500 years. Are humans a something unique and special that are from a health perspective are naturally self-healing and that should be nurtured to self-healing should be we our our inh our inherent ability to heal should be supported by other modalities or are we just simply machines where a one-sizefits-all approach should

be applied? That idea, that debate goes back 2500 years and now it's here again. And the technocrats don't have a view of human first or that there's anything special about humans and there are a lot of uh implications for that moving forward. So this is kind of a belief in determinism. It's a it's a belief that we are machines and then as machines this is now moves into kind of another another realm of you know transhumanism which is a good interesting separate conversation to have. Um but if there is nothing unique or primary about humanity or consciousness then there are a lot of atrocities that come out of that. [snorts] The other value is

decentralization over centralization. And I'm not just defining these as the opposites of opposite of technocracy. I had these four values and then we just just recently added beauty u before I was talking about technocracy or even looking into technocracy. But technocracy is the ultimate in centralization. It's [snorts] everything under central global control and now that would be under the control of AGI. That is the end point of that. So the whole approach is decentralized. It's a belief in abundance versus manufactured scarcity. So much of all of these systems, so much of technocracy is based on the idea of we are facing an existential energy crisis

and therefore we have to use as the basis of our currency a carbon credit system so that so that we don't you know exhaust these natural resources and basically go extinct. These things are all manufactured scarcities and if you're in a position where you're always thinking about survival instead of creation then you will find yourself in a position where you know lo and behold you will need those survival skills. So so I think very much we can create and there is infinite abundance out there and infinite things that are possible uh but it's a mind shift component. The other is love versus fear. So much of of

all of politics and and even technocracy is around fear. Uh but we should approach things from a from the standpoint of of love and you know which is a it's a difficult one from time to time and particularly when even when you're dealing with these enemies that are that are you know possibly trying to kill you. Um there's kind of a reflection that they have free will too and they're going along their journey. So it's you know the idea is to help to empower them to understand you know the nature of what's going on as well. And then the last is beauty which I put on there just because you know what's been going on with technocracy and you've probably seen this with design and with

corporations anyway particularly the Fortune 500. There's been this move to homogenize everything. Cars look the same. Car colors [clears throat] are the same. Logos are the same. everything is this minimalist aesthetic and I I appreciate good user interface and clean user interface but it doesn't have to be this like brutalistic ugly I mean not ugly but just it's just plain there's nothing to it so kind of valuing valuing that as well and so with all the initiatives that we're building I mean they each have their own brand which by the way the brands that we have right now are not not the ultimate brands but um but I do want to focus on the beauty aspect of it as Well,

so daily freedom foundation is really the gateway to these new parallel systems and you can learn more the portal site for everything because you know what's complicated about this is somebody say oh what are you working on it's like all right here are six websites and no one's going to remember that. Uh so daylightfreedom.org org is essentially the gateway to all of the initiatives that are going on, all of the new projects, and this is where you're going to be able to go to keep track of everything. And so, you can sign up for the email list and everything, but but also this is where you can see everything that's going on. I'll go into the individual sites. So, we have the

aarend dayshow.com and this is obviously if you're listening to this, you're listening to the arandshow.com, but this is um this is the primary outlet right now for for getting content out which we are now doing twice a week at 6 p.m. Eastern time on Monday and Thursday. And you know, we've added quite a bit of functionality to this and I'm going to continue to move. By the way, I'd appreciate if you would like and share this. We're at 200 viewers, which is which is a pathetically small number. Um, this content is is highly shadowbanned. I I am on my list of things to do is uh to test and actually demonstrate how these themes related to technocracy are

phenomenally um suppressed. And it's interesting even the last podcast that we did. I mean we had people like Mike Adams retweet it and Saul the aggrist and everything else it's just it's it's even with a lot of support it just isn't getting the reach. So you know again Elon controls the quote freedom of reach and that is determined very much arbitrarily at the end of the day and he is one of the largest technocrats in the world. So it is what it is. So, but I but on this site you can watch the episodes live. You can comment has its own commenting system but all of the content is there. So, every one of the episodes is there. You can search the transcripts. You can

search all the episodes by tags. You can comment on all of the episodes even, you know, once they're even once the live component of it is done. You can see all my other interviews that I've done on other shows. This is a place where if you're interested in trying to book me for an event or for a speaking engagement or something, there are forms for that. Or if you want to speak on the podcast, which I'm I'm getting probably two or three inquiries a day now all of a sudden for this. So apparently a lot of people want to be on this show, which is which is great, although a lot of the the requests are not particularly targeted. Uh so you know as long as it's within the exposing technocracy or

helping people reclaim their free will or building parallel systems I'm interested uh in that and there have been a few interesting people that came across that [snorts] I you know I may very well have on but you can find that information as well at the Aaron Day show. Uh the music that I play in these episodes is there uh memes and slides for recent episodes. I didn't do this, you know, back in the day, but for probably for the last four or five episodes or so, I've [snorts] started to put the slides and also the images up there. And then we have the first principles project, which is a project to create a kind of a debate series with the basic premise being

that, you know, America 1.0 is finished. The default that we're going to fail into is a technocracy. That's probably not a great outcome. So the idea is to have a a series of not debates but dis discourses on fundamental topics, first principles topics like free will and you know the nature of government and so forth. Not for the purpose of trying to come up with a singular best solution, but for the purpose of to help everybody who's thinking about this at least think about it from from first principles as opposed to repeating some of the same mistakes over and over again. Or at least once you have a dialogue about first principles, you can start to understand what the first principles are

of the people that are pushing technocracy. We then have freedomforge.io IO and this is a site that is dedicated to two things. One, educating people about the Zeno ecosystem. So getting on board, downloading wallets, how to, you know, acquire, you know, Freedom Dollar and use Freedom Dollar, how to get a debit card that you can use with uh Zeno and Freedom Dollar. And there's going to be an increasing library. These are all these sites are free, by the way. uh but increasing library of free guides and videos. So just at the core to help people understand how to use these things. You

can also inquire about workshops. A lot of people want me to do workshops and uh which I've done in the past. I'm going to do workshops. I you know I'm scheduling one for Lexington, Kentucky. probably going to do only like one per quarter and and I want to do larger more impactful events and I'll have more details on this as this comes but my goal is to get as many people on boarded as possible and having spent a lot of this year and certainly a lot of last year traveling and doing workshops you just can't reach that many people and so you know if we're trying to reach hundreds of thousands millions of people not going to be able to do it with workshops but the workshops are are

important and I I might structure this where you know we'll have online workshops and online guides and then you know for maybe for a more advanced approach and it's not even necessarily more technically advanced but maybe for people that [snorts] want to meet and discuss how to start new businesses or new projects. They're going to be more involved events. I think an an in-person event should be uh much more involved than just um you know here's how to download a wallet which isn't to say it's not useful to do those but you know some of the basic stuff can be done not in person but I do think it's important to do community building and the community building can only happen in

person so um looking forward to that and so want to want to continue well so continue to do those probably one per quarter but you can go to the workshops tab tab and and you can actually select what you're interested in. I mean, I'll customize the workshop based on the audience and and the the situation. You can also on this site learn how to sell with Zeno, so you can integrate a a point of sales system into your website so that you can start accepting Zeno and Freedom Dollar uh as a payment. And then what I do here is I outline uh threats and counters to threats. So the whole point of this is technocracy and and so for people who say, "Well, it's inevitable. We can't do anything

about it." That's just completely not true. And so what I've done on the on the site is I've laid out, well, here are some threats and people can submit their own threats and their own counters to these threats. But for instance, stable coins that are government regulated or CBDC's are a threat, a technocratic threat. These are threats where you know your money becomes completely programmable and censorable. It is a massive blow against freedom. Well, what is a counter to that? A counter to that is freedom dollar. Freedom dollar is a stable coin, but it's completely private and it's not backed by US treasuries. Tonight, we're going to talk about um Oasara, which is a medical tourism

marketplace. So, so people who say, well, you know, how are we going to stop this centralized healthare now that the government is essentially controlling healthare and they're going to implement AI and wearables? Here's the answer. Opt out. Don't use it. Take a global approach. Work outside of the system. You know, at some point, it's not starting like this, but you know, I I I can see a time where, you know, we may have black market health care services if the mandates continue where they're going. But the point is, as we talked about in the last two podcasts, once you understand medical tourism, once you understand how much you're getting fleeced, how bad the

outcomes are, and that there are other outcomes available, just opening your eyes to that on the healthcare side, well, everything is like that. Food is like that. Everything that the technocrats are doing can be done better and it can be done in a way that is private and decentralized. So, I wanted this site to be a place not just for me to launch projects. I mean, when I launch these things, I'm not even sure what I'm going to do with all these. I have six projects and, you know, I I can mint a lot of these projects. I obviously can't run or maintain all of them. So, there's kind of a question of that. And my goal isn't even to I mean, these are free projects. I mean, I'm the

medical tourism marketplace. There's no underlying [snorts] business model to it, but I'm launching these things because they have to be built. We need private decentralized alternatives to these technocratic threats. And so my my goal is to inspire people to think about to start thinking about tokenization. And as they learn more about Zeno, as they learn more about tokenization, as they use it more, people are going to come up with their own ideas. And I think that for a lot of people like, well, how am I going to make money outside of this existing system? There's an infinite amount of opportunity. And so Freedom Forge is is the is the site where we're going to try to capture

that. Oasara is the healthcare marketplace that we're going to be talking about tonight which is critically important. Um I I mean I can't stress enough how critically important it is once you dig into as we did in the technocracy roundt these horror stories about people being denied care all over the country and the lawsuits that are now coming on because of the way AI is being applied to insurance. Um, and now knowing that AI is is being implemented with Medicare and Medicaid, this is a situation where if you don't start extracting yourself from the current system and learn about alternatives, people might get stuck or at least have the perception that they're stuck. This

is why I've prioritized this as amongst all projects as the one to kind of push out there. So, I'll be showing you this tonight. You can go to oasara.com oasa.com and you can sign up to get early access to this. I haven't I'm not launching this yet. I I I could launch it, but I want to actually spend more time making sure that all of the information that's in there is completely accurate and up to-date. And now it's tough to stay on top of all the different doctors and and uh options out there, but I want to make sure that at least we get started on the right foot. So I'm not launching with this today, but I will show you a a live version of it, and you can sign up for

early access. [snorts] But essentially, this is going to be a place where you will be able to see all of the global options. You'll be able to see rating systems, prices, and you there's a medical tourism guide that will explain how all this works, what to look for, a lot of the content that I talked about last week, but then expanded on. My real goal is this. It's to make this the best site for medical tourism information. And the way that we'll get Zeno and Freedom Dollar implemented is I've added a, you know, request Zeno button. So if somebody's like, "Okay, I'm I want to go to this hospital in Abu Dhabi, but I want to use Zeno." Then you can just click request

Zeno and an email will automatically be sent to that facility or to that doctor. So this is a way that I want to use the site as kind of a big information site, a high quality information site that anybody can use, but as a way to to start sending demand to these uh facilities and providers of medical tourism. and then you know with the idea then oh they'll they'll then they'll look at oh what is all this about and then there's going to be a very easy to use signup page for onboarding uh medical tourism folks to this. So that that's the approach that I'm taking. I could have done it a whole variety of other ways but but I thought this this would be a better better approach.

The next area is that we focus on is and I harp on this a lot is trying to show people that we already own nothing to Claus Schwab's comment and this has been done contractually through online click wrap agreements or in some cases you know we're subject to agreements like package inserts in for pharmaceuticals that we didn't even sign and when you we sign over 200 of these a year and when you actually read them which Nobody does because you couldn't. It would take too much time. You'll find out you've given away your privacy. You've given away your information. In many cases, you've given away your economic ownership and your voting rights. For instance, with your 401ks

and your ETFs, you're already not voting these things. You've already given that control contractually to Black Rockck and Vanguard and others. But in the event of a financial collapse based on how these agreements are structured, the creditor, the largest banks that your broker owes money to or will end up with your stocks and your retirement portfolio. And most people don't know this, but that's just one example. This is in all all categories. It's been a systematic fleecing of our rights under our nose, but wrapped in this well, it's legal, right? We're using the rule of law and the whole thing is a scam. The whole point of the site own nothing.org is for you to be able to uh ultimately

go through and say, "Oh, I have this contract, this contract, this contract." And it'll tell you how many rights you've given away. It'll give you a score. So instead of having to read a 50-page document, you'll see, you know, based on these five criteria or whatever they are, this is this is where you stand on on this. And then you can see overall how much you've given up for your whole portfolio of contracts that you've signed. And it won't take very long for people to see after you look at this that whatever it is you think you're holding on to, you already don't own. And that's a critical point to get to because a lot of people are playing defense. There's

that meme of like a raccoon and, you know, kind of protecting a trash can. And that's essentially what's going on right now. That's what people are doing. They're holding on to an illusion of what America was, not realizing that in reality, you've already given away your rights. You don't own any of these things. The Constitution has been dead for for decades. And the sooner you get to that point, the sooner you can stop wasting your energy within that system and start working on alternatives. Then we have uh Teocracy Atlas, which I talked about in the last episode, technocracyatlas.com or or I can't remember which one it's anyway. This will be launching uh

November the 10th, the first version of it. And what I've done is I've uh indexed and cataloged 10,000 different articles and books on technocracy and [snorts] then made it so that you can you can chat with it through AI. And as we've been talking about AI, I mean, you know, yeah, most of these AI models are are flawed because they've been trained on bad data. But you can use the actual AI and its ability to to do chat and to analyze text and you can apply it to your own data. And furthermore, you if you find the right model to use you, it's censorship resistant. You're not going to get the filtration that you get. So my first point with this technocracy atlas is let's consolidate

all the information that we can get and then make it easy for people to search and then beyond that we're going to build tools like graph databases and things where people can map out connections because so much of the the problem that we have is the technocrats already have all of the information on us. They're the ones building all of these databases. They know everything about us. We don't know anything about them. [snorts] But we get into these battles of well, who is they? And then everybody has a conspiracy theory about it. And then people get wetted into these camps. Here's an idea. If you want if we want to know who the technocrats are, why don't we map it all out? Why

don't we put the information in a database? Why don't we fact check the information and and have an open-source ability to crowdsource who these people are and how they're interconnected? So there's no more mystery behind it. And by the way, it's a network of people and organizations. It isn't one particular thing. It is a it's a moving network of people that do share an ideology although they will fight like hell amongst you know themselves. So, Temocracy Atlas uh is is the site and so again, it'll be launching in whatever 10 days or so, the first version. And then with all of these sites, they'll be obviously building and getting better over time.

But I think this is going to be a good first first step so that we can at least, you know, consolidate information. It's hard to get access to information about technocracy. Patrick Wood should be a household name and [clears throat] the work that he's put together. Everybody should know about it. And unfortunately, it's this is not you're not going to find it in a textbook. You're not going to find it taught in a course. You're not going to find it in college. And you're not going to find the media talking about it. And then you're going to find that the people that run the tech companies that control the algorithms who are technocrats probably don't favor that

information. So um so there's a lot of phenomenal information out there that's been compiled over over the decades and uh so I think it's important to to make that information easily accessible and free for everyone. And then one of the other projects that uh Daylight Freedom has it's kind of a legacy project is is uh I I'm actually now rebranding it. I'm saying we're you know we're defending our anti-technocracy PS. you know, it it used to be the well, is it anti-crypto? Um, you know, are we fighting the the the the government who's anti-crypto? Are they anti- this? Are they anti- that? It's really part of technocracy. When you really understand why these people were targeted, as I've

been saying over and over again, these three guys in particular were targeted because the Biden administration had an executive order and they wanted a CBDC. And if you're going to put out a CBDC, you want to shut down the competition. And these three people are three of the best people on the planet at promoting alternatives to centralized technocratic money. And so, so I'm going to continue to spend time raising awareness on this. Obviously very grateful that Roger was able [clears throat] to to settle his situation, but we still have Ian Freeman and Roman Storm. And I'm not going to take on every case. I mean I I mean I'm going to take take on the cases that are directly relevant to what I

know about or people that I that I know ju just because it's it's not that I have a any particular you know domain expertise uh in doing this but it's just we have to stick by the people that are speaking the truth and are speaking out and so I will continue to do that and the Daylight Freedom Foundation will continue to do that. So, that is a quick overview of the Daylight Freedom Foundation. And as I said, this will be a [clears throat] this will be a shorter podcast. I'm actually technically supposed to be somewhere else in a couple of hours, but I'm going to have to miss that tonight. So, I'm going to now pull up the

preview of the Osana website. This is on my computer. Again, I could push it live at any point, but [snorts] I'm not ready to yet. Um, all right. Let me make sure we can see this. All right. Can everybody see this? All right. There we go. You know what? I'm going to reduce myself. I'm going to go into a small corner here. All right. So that it's a little bit easier to see. And all right. So So here's the idea. So already what we've built is an interactive map with

518 facilities across the world that provide medical tourism services. And what we started with are these JCI certified facilities. There are others. We're going to be adding more. One of the things that I I need to understand more is the different kinds of accreditation. I mean I've spoken a lot about the benefits of medical [clears throat] tourism, but of course there are also horror stories too. there examples of, you know, cartels uh kidnapping and murdering people and harvesting people's organs. I mean, this isn't always, you know, a positive one-way street. And so, I wanted to start with the facilities that are accredited and that have uh transparent information regarding outcomes.

But that's not to say that we're going to stop at that. I just [clears throat] wanted to kick this off, right? And I don't want to provide information to out of the gates until we understand what's going on and until we can actually better control and monitor the reputation management system aspect of this. Uh and so as you see here, so these are clustered by region and and what's interesting is and I talked about in the podcast, it's just fascinating to see, you know, where these pockets have emerged. So Turkey is a a huge pocket for medical tourism. uh Dubai is is a big upandcomer. You have also Thailand which is actually the largest provider of medical tourism

services in the world. Over $8.3 billion I believe per year out of Thailand. I I found that to be absolutely fascinating. And so what you can do is you can go in here and you can say uh you can search by country, you can search by specialty, and then so if you want if you're looking for cancer treatment, okay, there you go. We haven't narrowed it down, you know, we've we've kept it globally. So there are 201 facilities. So you'll note that. So if I remove any specialties whatsoever and if we start at the beginning there are 518 facilities across the globe representing 39 countries. And so then as we as we kind of you know break this down more if

you're interested in for instance stem cell therapy which is not not legal here um then you can sort that and you can find all right well there are 42 facilities in 39 countries offering stem cell treatment and then you can go through and take a look at South Korea is big in this area. Ping you China has a facility another one in South Korea another one in China. So, so again, you can search, you can search by specialty. You can actually type in what you're looking for. So, I somebody in the comments said dental. So, I can just type in dental and search dental and it will give me all of the facilities. So, I can segment it by country, segment it by specialty. I can

just search. So, all of the information is here. And what we've done is and and I don't have all of this data yet either. We don't have all of the individual doctors. So it some of the they make this information difficult to uh obtain but but we do have and I'm building this out right now which is part of why I want to wait to launch the whole thing. But you know the hospital Tijana hospital has 60 doctors. So, you're going to be able to drill in here, not just at the level of the facility, but then you're going to be able to drill in and actually see the medical staff itself. And we're pulling in information from from s

other sources regarding ratings for now. But ultimately there's going to be the ability to use, you know, an escrow system and actually use verified transactions that happen through Zeno or Freedom dollar in the future to actually have, you know, validated transactions. But the interesting thing about medical tourism is that outside of the United States, a lot of these countries actually have transparency with medical data. We don't have transparency with either price or data. So that's kind of a an interesting thing to to learn about. So you can see pricing information, you can see doctors, you can see where they are on a map and then it links directly to

their website. So you know, here's now we can we can jump into this. So obviously with something like this, you know, the whole point of this is you have to do your own homework and at no point are are we making recommendations on this, but I want to consolidate the information and have, you know, the easiest interface and way for people to get access to this. But you're obviously, if you're going to make a health care decision, going to want to do the deep dive. And as much as we're keeping the data updated, a lot of this data can't be updated automatically. a lot of healthcare related sites uh don't allow you to to scrape the data. So in many of these cases, you

know, there's a lot of manual data uh entry that still has to go on to stay on top of of the facilities and who the doctors are and the contact information and so forth. But I think it's worth it to do because I think that once people see that this is available because in my experience so far, most people have never thought of this. Even though 2.1 million people last year from the United States did go outside of the country for medical care, the average American has not heard that this of of this existing at all and would certainly be shocked about the statistics because when you do digging on this, when you look at, you know, when I was putting together a

presentation last week, I was looking for various testimonials and clips and of course, well, if Good Morning America or NBC Nightly News is going have a segment on medical tourism, it it's always going to be the negative side of it. Why? Because they're funded by Fizer. They're funded by big pharma. So, they're going to put out a fear story about, oh, here's an outlier situation of somebody that had a horrible situation when they went to Mexico and then they'll bring in some public health expert to talk about the risks of, you know, traveling abroad. Never talking, by the way, about the quality of of the American health care system. And so, so it is actually pretty hard to get this

information and get it in a way that is is laid out where it's not agenda based. So, I'm just putting this information here. I don't make any money off of this. There's no referral model. There's no commission. There's no there's no underlying economic model to this. My my goal for doing this is to build the best site for information on medical tourism because I want to empower as many people as I can to take their medical decisions in their own hands. So you're not going to find a lot of other people that are, I guess, will willing to do that kind of thing or even interested in that kind of thing. So, so this is um so this is where we are to start and and we're

going to go through and and even add more specifics and guides about about all these things. And in fact, what what we did create was a medical tourism intelligence center to consolidate a lot of the information. And I got a lot of good feedback from the last episode. People were asking me questions about a whole variety of different things about specific locations, about where to go, about what the process is. And so, um, so we've built some initial guides as well. So, [snorts] the medical tourism guide section tells you everything about, you know, the scam behind the US system and pricing and price markups and all of that other stuff and the fact that insurance doesn't help either and

that that's a scam and all the bankruptcies. This is a live bankruptcy counter. So, if you do the math, it's um 530,000 families go bankrupt every year due to um medical bills. That's 1452 per day, 60 per hour. That's one every minute. So, I'm going to stay on this page for a minute. Not that I I'm expecting a lot of people in general just to sit on on here, but there you go. One. So, we've been on this site for one minute. So, this is a live bankruptcy counter. So, so, um, so you know, however long we're on this page, every minute that goes by, a a new a new person has had to file for bankruptcy due to medical costs in this in this

country. And so, this goes into all of that information, but then it also goes into laying out this whole case that, you know, people have this mistaken belief that the United States has the best healthcare in the world. Now, I mean, it is a WHO ranking, so take that for what it's worth. But nevertheless, I mean, uh we're ranked 37th uh according to uh the World Health Organization. And and by the way, good luck finding a a source that wasn't bought and paid for that says that we're actually the best. But how many people do you know, if you asked them, if you said, "Well, do you think America has the best healthare system in the world?" you know what percentage of your friends and

family would say yes I mean what percentage would think that it's 37 right so I think that all putting this kind of information out out there just in general as part of the site to educate people on the state of how bad the system is here but but also to give kind of a highle overview of comparisons of what you're looking at so in terms of in infection rates and also So looking at in terms of uh success rates for treatments and so this is surface level for now but in the future I I'd like to to build on this and if I can figure out a way to to you know get the data loaded in a in a you know

efficient way to be able to break down by procedure what you're looking at. So somebody again asked about dental. Okay. Well, let's go and look at this section on [clears throat] on uh procedures. So, if you wanted a full mouth restoration in the United States, it would cost $60,000. If you went to Mexico, it's 8,000 to 12,000. Costa Rica, 10,000 to 15,000. Hungary, 9,000 to 13,000. Thailand, 12,000,000. You're going to be saving 80 85%. And as I said, I was amazing to find that there's a place called Mhler City in [clears throat] Mexico which has 30 350 dentists for over 5,400 residents. So it's the highest

concentration per capita of dentists in the world. And I I think it's like it's a same day trip if you go from Arizona. It's a real short short trip from Arizona. So again, I thought that was fascinating. So, if you have dental issues at is the person who inquired on this. Oh, I'm not showing the page. My bad. You know what this is? All right. All right. My bad. Let me uh well, go back. Um All right. So, back to the site, the OSR site. There is a medical tourism guide. This is the problem here, by the way. I have uh I don't have my normal setup, so I'm kind of flipping between windows, so I'm trying to I can't see everything that's going on. So

medical tourism in so so this is where we lay out the information that I talked about last week except in more detail. So this is that makes the case with all of the sources and citations for how the US system is a ripoff, how pricing works, how markups work, how insurance works, how they, you know, how they make money. The whole issue on bankruptcies. Uh well, you know, maybe I'll wait for a minute here too. This was the live bankruptcy c uh counter I was talking about. So every minute in the United States, somebody files for bankruptcy due to medical bills. So the site will, you know, every minute the counter will change. If you want to hang around on the on the page, there you go. Um, and

then some information and details about the bankruptcy. And I know a lot of people that reached out to me are concerned about this. People are concerned. Oh, I I you know, I need to keep my job so I can keep my insurance so that I don't lose my house if I go bankrupt. I've got bad news for you. 75% of the people that go bankrupt from due to medical bills had health insurance. Health insurance is just doesn't doesn't really do anything. It's actually a it's a fraud. It's a complete ripoff. And again, this goes through and talks about quality standards and everything else in the United States. Provides a kind of an index of surgical site infection rates. And I'll be adding more

content to this as well. I just I want this to be a one-stop shop for people to be able to look at and see with charts and images and everything else the state of healthcare, but looked at from the standpoint of looking at it as a market. Looking at it instead um from your perspective, which is you just want to improve your health. You don't care about what the systems are. You're not wedded to what the systems are. So if you had a true free market where you had transparency in outcomes, transparency in prices, what would that look like? Well, that's what we we want this site to be. That's what we want to build here and to make this information accessible to people. So I was saying we

also [clears throat] have and we'll add more and more procedures as this goes on, but dental and cosmetic procedures. So, you know, we're breaking down some of the larger larger ones and showing what the potential savings is. And dental is a big one for people. And I, you know, have been talking about this before, uh, several podcasts ago about, I think I saw on Tik Tok a clip of somebody that it [snorts] was cheaper for them to go to Thailand to get a root canal than to pay use their co-ay or use their dental insurance in California. And I'm like, wow, that seems interesting. And then when you dig into it, you find, wow, Thailand is actually literally the number one medical tourism

destination in the world. And they pivoted to this um after the Asian economic crisis and this so this was a growth area in the economy. This is just supply and demand and market dynamics. They decided hey maybe this is an area where we can excel. [clears throat] So, you know, more breakdowns you, you know, you want to get into all on four implants or if you want to look at a single dental crown, which is $2,000 in the United States, it's $250 in Mexico, $350 in Costa Rica. You can look at cosmetic surgery and then you can break these things down into more detail. So, Brazilian buttlft, hair transplant, facelift. So again, we're going to

continue to build this so that it's kind of a, you know, one-stop shop so that people can get a just a quick sanity check on does this make sense? Because you might think, oh my god, I've got to travel. I've got to stay somewhere. You know, that can't possibly be cost-effective. And u the example that I used last week is that the Cleveland Clinic charges more just for the room. They charge, I think it was for a hip replacement or something like that. Uh, it's $30,000 just for the room at the Cleveland Clinic without any medical procedures being done, without any care, without any medicine, with nothing. $30,000. the the entire process including business class air travel for you and a

companion, staying at a you know like a resort for the recovery process, all of the medication, all of the uh visits, checkup visits and everything else and all the afterare, all of that combined is $30,000. [clears throat] That's how big of a ripoff it is that we have in this country. And I think the more people can learn about this and just see it in black and white. And I'll add calculators. I I'll make these tools where you know rather than just relying on this generic information, you know, put in your own specific information if you can get it right because hospitals won't tell you. This is the conundrum, right? Up until 2021, it was illegal for a hospital to tell you how much things

cost. After 2021, there was a law that says hospitals need to provide transparency. But the caveat was they can just pay a $300 a day fine and not be transparent with the information, which is what 95% of the hospitals do. So, can you even get a price on a procedure? This is how bad the situ And you know, I will I I'm going to try to add things where [snorts] people can share their own stories. That's the other thing. Share testimonials. I want to build out a lot for this. So, I want this to be like again that this is a content site first, right? Um I'm not going to have any economic relationship with any of the providers in any way, shape or form. My my goal on this is that people come here

and they use this to research and then, you know, and then they push and they say, "Hey, you know, wouldn't be great if this facility took Zeno or Freedom Dollar, which I'm not going to make money on on those transactions either." the but the sole point of this is to this to be the place with accurate and transparent information that can open people's eyes and where people can then again also share their testimonials share their stories but also I think we need people sharing their horror stories about the system I think if you go through and you and you start to understand this if you understand how much you're getting ripped off you're getting charged $37

for aspirin $55 for rubber gloves you have variations in pricing that are like hundfold. Something might cost $10 somewhere and it's $1,000 somewhere else or $5,000 somewhere else and you don't no one knows because none of the information is transparent. It's a complete and total ripoff. I [snorts] think the more of those stories get sold shared uh you're going to see see kind of revolt. the re the race against time here is and what I'm telling you is that the way they're implementing AI and with what's going on I mean when Kennedy says wearables but when you when you hear that Medicare and Medicaid is going to start applying AI

okay we have a hundred trillion dollars of unfunded liabilities for medical care for Medicare and Medicaid this what a great way to ration healthare So people who used to make fun of Canada for rationing healthare, what do you think AI applied to Medicare and Medicaid is, and now we've gotten to the point where almost half of the citizens are dependent on this. So you've we've we've almost reached that tipping point where [snorts] they've got us, right? Because what else are we going to do now? This is the dominant system. If you're a doctor, you can't you have to work now basically or you can't afford to work on your own. So you've got to work through a hospital. If you're

working through the hospital, the hospital has to take Medicare patients and Medicaid patients as well as private insurance. And so you've got you so now you've moved into this situation where you can't find providers outside of the system. Everybody is captive to the same payment mechanism which is now driven by the government which is going to bring in AI to contain and ration costs. So like we want this to blow up I think as quickly as possible to to block that because most people think they don't have a choice. And the funny thing is think about how how much people are trapped. Well I don't have a choice or I'm paying this into premium. I don't know how many

people I know that are pissed off about. Well, I got a an HSA where I put, you know, my own pre-tax dollars into this thing that I'm supposed to be able to spend and then they denied it. Why? Because the government and the health care company is determining what you can and can and cannot buy with your own money that you set aside. But then you have to wait for that and then you have to hassle. You have all of that hassle and you still don't have transparency with pricing. It's an absolutely absurd system. So, you know, I I think the more data we have, the the more tools that we have that can be customized and then the more we have testimonials of people sharing their

experiences with our existing system versus with medical tourism, I I think you could really see a big wave here. And then this is just healthare. Again, there are a lot of markets that are like this that are essentially controlled by the government or controlled by cronies. So, this is just a blueprint of things to come. And so, then, you know, we break it down into the countries. So, as I said, we have 39 countries, 518 facilities. We'll add more, but the these are the generally regarded as the the best where we have the most data, where we have the most transparency on it and some level of certification. Um but as an example, Thailand two they serve 2 and a half million medical

tourists annually. 8.7 billion average savings 60 to 70%. So that's the big one. And then it tells you what the big um facilities are and then what the best procedures are. And then it also goes into kind of highle detail about all right what's the recovery environment like? Yeah. Yeah, I mean Thailand's probably a good place to rest, get some sun and relaxation um on the beachfront as opposed to in a in a hospital with blue light where they're serving you. I I I mean I I've just fortunately I haven't had to be in a hospital in my adult life for for anything, but I mean I've I've gone through stuff with

my parents and with other people and I'm always struck by how they're like giving you sugar. They're giving you food that is is absolute crap. like the f the fact that there's a just a no connection between in the system which by the way once you research it you realize is by design there's very little training for doctors on nutrition itself but it's like wow they so they they put you in an environment where you know you've got all the all this blue light all of this other stuff going on and then they and then they they give you poor quality food. Yeah, probably on a beach beachfront would be a better place to recover. It also will break down emerging destinations, right? So again,

this is a market. Nobody knew, you know, Thailand just came out of nowhere, but here's where the emerging destinations are. Colombia is uh for cosmetic surgery, you have Malaysia, you have Singapore, you have Poland that are that are emerging. So again, how you know it's a market. So, let's provide information. Let's provide transparency. Let's help empower people with real information. Then there's planning toolkits. And I'll get into more detail on this too because a lot of the barrier for this is going to be, oh god, I can't even imagine. You might think, well, what's what's involved with this? Um, what's the recovery time going to be? Am I even going to be allowed to go? Do I

need to get a visa? What are all of the details that are required? And so we're going to have a checklist for all of the information on that and what the best practices for that are as well. And we'll dig into, you know, some of the information like, you know, medical visa. Here's what happens if you get a medical visa. Here are countries that require a medical visa. Some don't require a medical visa. Some do. So a tourist visa is actually sufficient in Mexico, Costa Rica, Colombia, or Malaysia. But you will need a medical visa for India, Thailand, and Turkey. You can get medical tourism insurance. So, um, so that that could be a good thing and could mitigate some fears, I

guess, that that people might have. But again, you have to understand that part of what's been going on is large Fortune 500 companies have actually started to offer medical tourism as part of their health insurance plan. And and part of the reason for this is that large companies actually self-insure. So they use Blue Cross Blue Shield or United Healthcare to process the claims, but they're on the hook for the actual costs. So, of course, with double-digit increases in health care for forever, it seems like it's been like 20 years now, and with health care being the number one cost for employers behind uh labor, behind salaries, of course, they're going to look at this. And so,

they have been. So, now there's kind of a that should give people some comfort that, you know, large corporations are doing this and and and a lot of and wealthy people, you know, have been doing this. And so as I learn more about this, I'll provide more links and and resources and more detail for the options here. And then we'll actually provide tools on even how to evaluate these different, you know, medical insurance options, uh, medical tourism insurance options as well. And then we'll put in information like this recovery time by procedure. And again, a lot of this is just going to build over time because I want it to be granular because people aren't necessarily going

to be like, "Oh, well, what's the recovery time for dental?" Well, no, I mean, you're not going for a a dental surgery. You have a very specific surgery in mind. So, I think being able to um aggregate and display all of that information is going to be very helpful for everyone because ultimately the site needs to be very much personalized to whatever it is that the individual is looking for. [clears throat] And then there are these other things of course essential questions to ask the facilities um information about accreditation. So, JCI is a big one but you know there are others. So, we'll look at other accreditation models. I know there's some uh network states that are working

on medical tourism and this kind of thing as well. So, uh we're going to stay on top of whatever the the newest stuff is and then and then we'll also share the the success metrics and you know we'll also put up information about what to avoid. So, um you know this isn't just a rahrrah medical tourism. I I didn't have time to put it in for this preview version, but this isn't even the launched version. But I um but you know, I think at launch I'll have some sort of rating or ranking system or way to identify who to avoid for sure. So, there are these accredited facilities which seem like um they're kind of a

no-brainer in terms of quality. there are a lot of others that might not be accredited or at least JCI accredited but that might be perfectly good and there are reasons that they're not JCI accredited. So I I don't want this to be just about that accreditation because even accreditation itself can be a racket and um and should be subject to to market conditions and then there's new stuff that's emerged that's untested. In any event, the information needs to be tracked and uh for all of these cases and so that that is also what's going to be here. But I thought this was a [clears throat] a good start for for this. And as I said with Zeno payments, the way that that my

approach with this is, you know, I thought u you could go contact these medical these facilities and see if they want to sign up, but I mean what would be their motivation? um they'll have motivation when there's aggregated demand. So if this becomes a destination site where people are going this becomes the hub where people go for um medical tourism information and there's a button there that says hey you know either for the uh consumer or for the provider there will be resources on why they might want to consider using these things. Yeah, I can see a situation. Think about it this way. As we move into more programmable digital currency, stable coins, etc. They could

certainly move to program it so that you can't use your money for these things. Um, Visa, Mastercard could very easily shut this off as a category. They routinely do this. This is a this is already a known issue with credit card companies. So all of a sudden, you know, you want to go do a $20,000 transaction in Thailand, you know, there's a reasonable chance Visa or Mastercard is not going to allow you to do that. So there are a lot of reasons why it makes sense to try to get the ecosystem to start taking these payments payment methods today because as with all aspects of technocracy, they

need to have complete centralized control. They are moving to have systems where everything is centralized, where Palunteers data is connected to Operation Stargate. They're moving towards scoring systems for everybody in terms of calculating what the value of your life is and to determine what kind of treatment you're getting. They don't want competition. In the same way, and mark this down the same way um when Roger was arrested, I'm like, this has, you know, this is not about taxes. This is about this is about CBDC's. uh you're going to see the same kind of thing happen where you're going to see people that are that are being targeted on this front. Well, the answer is to

get ahead of it. And the answer is to put in place solutions that can't be stopped. And and again, if somebody the reason that I'm laying out all of the information because somebody inevitably ask me, well, what's the best place for this? It's a market. It's dynamic. It might be Thailand today, but all of but you know, all of a sudden you can't get a medical visa to Thailand. And you know there there may be some new dynamic and new thing that shifts based on the changing circumstances around government crackdowns and tariffs and everything else. So there's always going to be movement and change in in the marketplace. And so if you're sitting there worried about well something might

this might happen in the future this might happen in the future. If we don't do this, the default case is we have a singlepayer health care system that is controlled by AI and that is designed by psychopaths and geared towards rationing based on whatever it is that they find to be the valuable traits or however their formulas and algorithms which I'll I maybe I'll do an episode on bioeththics at some point and and how this their scoring systems work. But um that's the default case. So the time to move to alternative private currencies is now. It's not in 2030. Like we actually don't have a lot of time for

all of this. This is part of why I mean I haven't slept a lot and it's kind of like I've been on this page for 24 minutes now. So 24 families have filed for medical bankruptcy since I've been on this web page. Um, this is why I've been staying up to get as many of these sites up as possible. Uh, with the hope that not only people will start using them, but that other people will start creating sites. Other people say, "Oh, hey, wait a minute. I this is what I know about, you know, I work in this profession and it's a scam." And then maybe starts thinking, well, you know, how could I build an alternative that is private and censorship resistant to the thing that

I'm currently involved in? And the more and more people do this uh and the faster they do it the the better our odds are for sure. Um but being fearful about what might happen in the future uh is a sure way to ensure that that is what happens. not taking action will ensure that we don't have medical tourism as an option and and that we have the decay into what is going on right now which I'm hoping I want you know it it people should be alarmed about Palunteer healthcare people should be alarmed about operation Stargate I don't think people realize how fast this is coming or or the extent to which it's already there I wasn't even aware I've been following healthcare and embedded in for a long

time and I'm I thought I was up on technocracy and I was thought I was up on AI and it it escaped my radar uh how fast AI had been implemented for for claims and then what is being proposed and worked on through through Stargate and then but then also what's going on with the federal government. The fact that Medicare and Medicaid are going to start rolling out AI next year. Again, this is something where normally you would say, well, the government's inefficient and they said this and you know, it's going to take 10, 20 years. That's not what's happening. So, OpenAI has all these contracts with the government. Palanteer has government uh Grock X has a uh or no, Grock has um uh

given have been given approval to work with every federal government agency and this stuff is moving fast. Now, it can be moving fast in a good way like with the Mike Adams stuff and some of the other stuff I've been talking about, but this is the scarier part of it because the these are competent people coming in and bringing in systems that are actually fairly effective. And so people shouldn't be celebrating Doge. They should actually be shitting their pants that Palanteer is now connected to all these databases. your love affair with Doge should be over and you should realize you were duped. So, [clears throat] so anyway, this is the uh this is this is the way we're

going to roll this out. Again, I could roll this out right now. I could just put the page online and have you access it, but I want to go through and my wife is going to be uh spending a lot of time on this as well. She has uh a tremendous amount of expertise in this area. So to make sure that we have, you know, the most accurate data that we can uh to launch and then to make sure that we've, you know, put in place all of the disclaimers and indicated where we what the gaps are and to provide easy ways in the site for people to provide feedback as well as the thing rolls out. But but I think to actually have a uh a good UI in a in a place where people can can get this information

uh could be a game changer. And then we'll add on again the the testimonial aspect of this both written testimonials and video testimonials. So let me see. I haven't looked at the um I see we have a lot of comments here. Um all right. Is anyone I need to get on I need to get on Matrix. I need to get the Matrix going here. I haven't in fact I was going to do I'll do a podcast on Matrix and then kick that off uh with with everyone uh as well to to help promote that. [clears throat] Uh how do you feel about XMR? I you know I I like I like privacy coins. I like the the whole ecosystem. I like I mean I use Monero. Um Zeno is

is uh the guy that created Cryptonote. The technology behind Monero is the guy that created Zeno. Um so there are a lot of roots there. So uh I I promote choice. I promote multiple privacy coins. There is no one privacy coin that can could take on all of the scale that is necessary um to offboard people. So, and I hope that um different projects in the privacy space for instance work together on things like quantum resistance. So, I mean that's my take and and I will be uh speaking at Monertopia again for the for the second year in a row and uh co-hosted uh a Manitoman

at Porkfest. [snorts] [clears throat] By the way, you can come on and uh I I have sent out approximately no Streamyard invitations, so there's no way anybody could possibly be in the chat, but uh if you want to join the live chat, I'm putting a link to the StreamYard where you can come in and uh you can put your camera on or not put your camera on and uh ask questions or make comments and I will shoot this around to um some of the regulars on here. Uh [clears throat] so see if we can get a couple people on here. It is I guess

it's 7:30. It's 5:30 here. So this one is not going to run four hours because I I do have to actually pack up and uh actually leave. So [clears throat] anyway, bear with me a second while I circulate a couple of these links and then I will get back to everyone's questions. But, you know, I I I'm pretty excited about it. I I've spent a lot of time on this. Um, and I, you know, I I think part of it was just in doing the the last month or so and doing my podcast, the technocracy round table and everything else, realizing how significant of a problem this is. I I

wasn't aware of how fast things were accelerating. And so, um, so yeah, I'm like, yeah, okay, we really do need to get this out, uh, as quickly as possible, educate as many people on this as possible, and see if we can get some momentum around this. And, you know, I think the site's a good way to put all this into perspective because I get a lot of individualized questions around different aspects about this, this, this. I'm like, all right, here, I'll just put all the information on on one page and people can look at it. And again, it's not perfect. Um, always do your own research and I will put figure out a way to, you know, the f the funny thing is about

this these medical people don't like transparency and then they'll try to sue you uh, you know, for defamation or whatever if so I I've got to be careful in how we lay this out to um, to be able to protect free speech um, as well, but but also understanding how absolutely ghoulish these people are. Um, and the the entire healthcare industry in this country is is based on a complete and total lack of transparency. So, uh, all right. Well, hopefully I know we've got Dan. Dan will be on in a bit. I see we have Ken D here. Hey, how are you?

All right, Ken, you're on. If you can hear me, I can't hear you. I don't know if you're muted or not. Oh, there we go. I can hear you typing. >> I think I've got some mic issues. >> [clears throat] >> Uh, did you hear that? >> I I heard that you have mic. You said you might have mic issues. >> Oh, okay. Well, I guess I don't. >> Appreciate all you're doing. Um, I jumped right in with two feet about a month ago and I'm curious if uh anyone else has reached out to you about the uh farm freedom aspect of uh putting

something together for a marketplace in that area. I'd [snorts] like love to team up with someone to do something. >> Well, I I put that on the Freedom Forge site. That is one of the ones that I I I I was going to do that next if no one else did. Um I I was going to start working towards that. I'm going to be at the Brownstone uh Institute event uh talking to some other folks and I was at uh Joel Salatin's Polyface Farm. Uh I gave a talk there and actually I bought I bought some uh raw milk using my uh Zbec Zeno debit card. >> But yes, but yes, that's that is the next one. So, we've got to get healthcare. We've got to get food. Um, you know, I think we really need to

focus on these critical areas where the technocratic threats are are the most serious because [snorts] I mean once they corner healthcare and food then people are going to feel like they again they're going to [snorts] be resigned to this idea that they have no choice and then they're going to just accept technocracy by default. So if we can advance in these critical areas like healthcare and food then I think we've got a shot and I really think we can do it. I I you know, again, I've been I've been really excited about what I've learned about the state of medical tourism. >> Thankfully, uh haven't had a chance to take advantage of the fullness of that, but I did have a friend go to Peru

recently for a major abdominal surgery, and it was a third of what he would have paid here. >> Yep. >> So, it's pretty crazy. It's It's crazy. So Roy says, "What do you think about living in the private? Would this be a solution?" Living in the private. Um not not entirely sure. So I'm a big favor of using privacy solutions. Uh obviously, although I'm public about it, [laughter] but uh we need to get enough people using alternatives. I There's no kind of hide hide and go seek kind of strategy here. We actually

have to get enough people and enough momentum in building parallel solutions. But the parallel solutions in my opinion should have privacy as a cornerstone to it. >> Can I ask you a question about onboarding people? >> Sure. Uh I have a fairly technical background and got in involved in crypto eight years agoish. So like I understand wallets, I understand private keys, I understand all that kind of stuff. And uh some of the steps are pretty still pretty challenging um to overcome. And I'm just I'm curious how like I've got a bunch of uh friends who are sort of my age but are less technical

and I'm daunted by how to help them take a step toward this. Like taking the whole step would be pretty hard. Like I I got uh one of the Zback cards was great. This I felt like uh I was spending free money [laughter] for some reason. Uh >> did you win by the way? Did you win? Were you one of the winners of the giveaway that I had or no? >> Uh, I don't think so. >> Oh, okay. All right. Never mind. >> Yeah, I get got my card about a month ago and uh it's it was pretty cool to spend some um some crypto I had lying around just to be able to walk in completely privately and uh transact with my with my uh you know, touchless pay system on the phone. But I'm trying

to think of how how to take a friend or two along this path without just blowing them out of the water, you know? >> So, I've done workshops and in the past and actually most of the workshops have been people that have never had crypto before. There's a huge audience of people that woke up because of COVID and and so they're now engaged. And so I mean I would do these workshops with a hundred people and mo most of them are boomers and they've literally never had a crypto wallet before. Um and it's challenging because when I started doing those we didn't have a lot of options. What what's happened is there are some user-friendly wallets like Edge wallet and

um Cakewallet and bitcoin.com wallet that have integrated privacy coins in particular Zeno but u other privacy coins as well and that has been a gamecher. So the ability to have uh um these user-friendly wallets and and actually some of those folks sponsored the uh workshops that I did would bring some of their uh technical people along as well to to see the interactions with the audience and so there are things that there are big improvements that have happened in UI for onboarding and I think that you know wallets like that are a critical critical piece of this and so the the issue that I'm struggling with and I me mentioned this earlier I'm still going to do workshops, but

probably only one per quarter just because I've got to balance the time. But um but I'll do online workshops or I mean again give away as much information for free as I can. I do you know online videos. We have online guides at freedomforge.io. A lot of people do need more handholding than that and that that is kind of the the difficulty. I don't know maybe I should try to figure out how to package the workshop. so that other and train other people to do it or if there's a way to to make that scale because that that's the that's the issue with it. But if you do sit down with people in person and you walk through it now admittedly I was doing a 4-hour workshop be because

and the first half of it was to explain technocracy so that people understand why they actually need these things. But if you actually cut that cut that out it's not >> it's not that long of a process. And people are mostly I mean obviously most of our money is already digital. Most people are doing online payments uh anyway. Even even older people are using Apple Pay and Google Pay. So, it's not as big of a of an issue because we're, you know, like it's not like it's 2010 or 2012 where no one was even using digital currency, but most people are fairly comfortable with the idea of digital. Um it's just about user interface. So, I'm glad that we have those wallets available now.

>> [snorts] >> So, if you need a training guinea pig, let me know. Um, I wouldn't I wouldn't mind helping people take this path. >> Yeah. And there's some other people that have asked about it and I've got to figure out I you know, let me let me tell you what the problem is. So, the problem is so I started doing the So, when I did the first workshop, we had I had the Zeno mobile wallet and then I had the cake wallet. And then I'm like, but at the time the cake wallet, I don't know if the cake wallet had Zeno or not. It didn't. So I I gave people two different wallets and I gave them Monero in one wallet and Zeno and another wallet. What I have to figure out, which should

be easy to do now, is how to put together training materials, but recognizing that the training materials change all of the time. The wallets change. they're up. Like the biggest issue with this is like if you put together even videos, you got to make sure that the videos are still accurate because somebody might actually watch that video and it's like and you have to realize that even something like a UI change, people be like, well, this isn't doesn't work the same because if they're completely new to using these kinds of apps, what we might look at is, oh, this is just a simple UI tweak and they're like, this isn't the same thing, >> right? It has to be explicit. the the

the training materials and the so um I'll I'll think about that. Uh I mean in fact if there's a way to make it so that the guides that I'm putting out there and the videos that I'm putting out there then there's also kind of a training materials for other people to do workshops that it's all synced up uh and it's not a lot of extra overhead. That's probably probably a good way to to do it because I do know I I know people need handholding and once you get through that first hurdle, the first hurdle is the the hardest. That's why I actually think the Zbec card is is great because people can now see how they can spend it even though it's not the long-term

solution is not Mastercard. Um if if you can show somebody, okay, now you have a wallet, now you've been able to offload the wallet and now you can spend the money. Now they've now they've actually engaged in commerce and and now they understand what the process is. That will make it easier for peer-to-peer down the line. Um how do you find these? Do they advertise in travel magazines? I search multiple uh sources of information for this. I mean, I started with the JCI certification as as one point, but I'm pulling information from a whole variety of of data sources uh as the starting point and then and then doing more kind

of manual as we drill down into each location, each doctor that's not not as easily automated. Um, so so that's that's that's how clear what Clarence asked and uh [snorts] yeah, you have to watch out for, you know, fake information and everything else, but a lot of these healthcare sites don't want you scraping their information and they put up blocks and it's so it's a whole it's a whole ordeal. Which AI are you using to help with the development process? Several. I I don't even I I I have to I I'll probably do a podcast on that at some point. Um all the different tools that I'm using, but it's a a whole variety that I've kind of pieced pieced

together and they're getting they're getting a lot better, too. Um it's getting it's getting to the point now where because I've created so many sites and then tweaked the tools and tweak the environment, I can actually spin up a new site fairly quickly. Um so there's definitely benefit to that. Leah, get a medical visa, not a tourist visa, for legal protection. Yep, that that was on the site. Um, and many of the countries like Thailand and others require it, but some like Mexico and Costa Rica do not look and use a Oh, I don't know if this might be this might be from my from the site. So, I think she might be just pasting from from what we have on the site.

and we'll go into more detail about medical tourism facilitators and everything. Again, the whole point of it is transparency uh in information every every step of the way. So, I'm not there's not going to be any sponsored aspect to any of the content that we put out there or any uh revenue sharing or anything anything like that. It's just going to be straight transparent content on each aspect of the medical tourism process. XRP Healthcare has its native token XRPH. I I I don't know what that does for you. Um I I I don't know what an XRP healthc

care token means. Um other than XRP is transparent, centralized. I don't know why a healthcare designated token. What would you do with an XRP healthcare token anyway? I I don't know. But so Zeno doesn't need a native token. You can just use Zeno or you could use Freedom Dollar. Um you certainly could there are other things that we could do. Is there uh down the line? But um for crowdfunding, there's this can go in a whole variety of different ways. Um but I wanted to start simple and start with making the information transparent. How about a

Zoombased or other global network of doctors for non-travel? Great idea. That's an excellent idea. Um and you [snorts] know what? That may exist there. There may be a whole bunch of that. I I just I you know there's so much to learn and uh and research on all of this, but that is certainly certainly a great idea. Is there a non YouTube live stream link there? Well, there's a Rumble link. Um you can view it on my site, but that is right now just embedded YouTube. I was streaming directly from my um site through a server that I have, but honestly, you know, until we get more people on the

site, the streaming costs aren't worth it. Uh, so I'm taking the videos and I'm storing them using IPFS uh for the archives, but um I'm not going to do I don't know that I'm going to do live streaming until we get to a certain size and scale just because it's it's uh it's just one more step in the production process and it costs extra money. I do have the capacity set up through I think it's Omniccast. Here we go. Mostly unfamiliar with you. What other projects are you working on, if any, please? Um, that's a good question. You can go to daylightfreedom.org. That is the

first place to go to to check out all of the different things that we're working on. And then within those sites, there are other sub projects. So, um, so we have the arandshow.com podcast website. We have ownothing.org, or which is a site we're building to allow people to see how many rights they've given away through these online agreements that they've signed. We have technocracy atlas which is a site for crowdsourcing information about technocracy uh and also an AI chatbot for information about technocracy and we have uh and we have this site and I we have freedomforge.io O which is which has guides and content on how to

get on boarded to the Zeno ecosystem and also uh for building community around people that want to build projects on top of Zeno. Most of the professional guys now go down to Mexico for stem cell treat. Yep. Oh, MMA guys. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Mexico is big for that. Uh South Korea. Well, we have that um we have that list, but yeah, there's a whole that the whole stem cell market is a is a pretty robust market. And I know, you know, you're in Florida, and I I I went to the uh biohackers gym there in Weston, Florida, and the woman that runs that was also the chief medical officer of a publicly traded company that was doing something

involving stem cells. And she had all kinds of issues and legal legal problems regarding this. She was doing stem cells. She was doing IV stuff. I mean, it's just crazy that I mean, it's not and I can't say it's crazy at this point now knowing how it works. It is by design that these things are not allowed, but people are so used to this belief that we're on the cutting edge of medical treatment and medical discovery that that is stuck. That propaganda has stuck and it's just not true. And then the last podcast I even, you know, talked about it's not just stem cells, cancer treatment, all kinds of different therapies that you can get outside of the United States that you can't get here.

Clarence, do you know if the Edge wallet will generally be behind the functionality of the Zeno wallet? Um, will generally be behind the functionality? Well, so obviously the the native Zeno wallet will be state-of-the-art because I mean they're they're working on this isn't a static blockchain. There there are new things going on, new developments happening. It's not it's not like other blockchains where it's like okay this is it. It's frozen. It's done. Um there are a lot of technical developments going on and new functionality and changes to

um significant aspects of it on an ongoing basis and being a privacy coin that's part of it as well. So my guess is if you're talking about the most robust uh you the most robust features are probably always going to be in the Zeno wallet itself. So, for instance, if you're going to stake Zeno, uh, you're going to need to use the desktop wallet. If you're going to do a lot of stuff with, you know, multiple aliases and and and, you know, certain other things or there's new functionality, one of the great features of the Zeno mobile wallet is there's a browser built into the wallet, which is what allows you to basically connect your wallet directly to various websites. So, this is how you

can load your Zbec debit card directly from within the mobile wallet. So they're going to be ahead on those things. But in some areas uh of usability, Edge is ahead. So Edge for instance has implemented the ability to within the wallet swap your Bitcoin for private Bitcoin for BTCX, which is basically private, you know, tokenized Bitcoin on the Zeno blockchain. Uh but you can do that right from within the wallet with with one click and that's that's something that's not not available and that's an important piece of functionality. And then the fact is that Edge is a multi-asset wallet. So I

use all of the wallets. There are different features and different nuances that I like about each. So I actually I have all of them. Um, I predominantly use the the, you know, the home base is is the native wallet, but um, but if I'm out and about or if I'm traveling, if I'm traveling, I'm going to use, you know, like the the Edge wallet has this uh, you know, feature where I can't remember, it's called panic mode or something where if you know somebody somebody hijacks you or whatever, you enter your code into your wallet, it can you can enter in a different code and it'll actually take you to a different wallet with uh, where you can keep a smaller balance or whatever. So if

somebody somebody tries to like hijack you. So there's some features that that are um really novel in in the different in the different wallets. The Bitcoin.com wallet was the first to expose the uh private view key, which is really important if you're a merchant. I think the other other wallets have caught up on that or are catching up on that. But um but the great news is that there are multiple wallets that are userfriendly where all of the people behind them, the people behind Bitcoin.com, um Edge and uh Cake I I mean I know all of them. They're they're great people and they're actually committed to privacy, right? Like there's So it's pretty rare to have

that kind of a situation where you have an ecosystem. So I I support all of them. I'm not even looking to to to pick I I but I well I will explain you know what the features are uh that are different differentiating features of one wallet versus another. Maybe put an expiration date on the training video only good from this date because of changes in the industry. Yeah, I mean the changes are so fast. I mean that just that got um I I will have to think through how to do that because that that is the number one barrier to this. And it got to the point where I would do a workshop and I do a workshop one month later and I'd have to change almost every every aspect every

part of of the uh of the actual walkthrough and getting people on boarded. You know, this is the other trade-off that you have with doing in-person events. I mean, you can do an inerson event and if the internet access is if the internet's down or or sometimes [snorts] depending upon what the venue is, you may be in a basement or something or you may you may be in a place that doesn't even have good cell reception. So, there's nothing nothing like having a big group event where you're trying to onboard people and the biggest gating factor is that nobody can get online. So, these are true challenges with uh with all of this, but there I'm sure there is a solution for

it. I it's probably just breaking into the smallest of possible chunks each step of the onboarding process so that you can swap out, you know, whatever whichever, you know, micro piece needs to be swapped out. So, uh, that's a good point. I mean, right, in fact, I'm I'm hopeful that the stuff on freedomforge.io is is still, uh, live and accurate. It should be. I mean, as far as I know, I I mean, I use these wallets all the time. The information on Freedom Forge is is still up to date, but um that certainly could change at any point in time. Uh when BTCX is in my Zeno wallet, does BTCX mirror the price of BTC from day to day? Yeah, I mean it's just a tokenized

version. So, I mean, you can actually reverse out your BTCX and and actually um reverse into a BTC address, a new fresh BTC address. So, it's it's literally um just a token. It's it's tokenized based on actual Bitcoin. It's not a it's it's not like synthetic or made up or um if you look into how confidential layer works and the whole bridgeless process um you're actually locking up Bitcoin and then you're tokenizing it and then when you when you go to reverse the other way you're BTCX tokens are burned and then you you go out with that matching amount of of BTC.

So um so yeah the price the price is equal or should be equal. Of course, you could argue that maybe it should be at a premium, but um I don't know. We need more merchants to start integrating point of sales systems and that will be a that will be key. Although I think the point of sale system also needs to be updated to take BTCX, but that will be really helpful when uh businesses all over the world can start to take BTCX directly and then can start trading amongst themselves. This is a really phenomenal way to get a lot of buying power into the marketplace. Can one buy Zeno with the BTCX

in the Zeno wallet? Um, that's a good question. Uh I don't know if probably not yet, but I mean I'm sure at some point uh you may be able to within like edge wallet or whatever in the future you may be able to swap. My guess is you once volumes get to a certain point where there's a market for it, you will be able to to swap these things. Um I I don't know about that actually. Can you buy Zeno with the BTCX in the Zeno wallet?

[snorts] I [clears throat] will have to get back to you. So there I don't think there's a lot of BTCX out there yet is the honest answer. The the one thing I was going to do a I am going to do a podcast specifically about Edge Wallet and how you can convert your BTC to BTCX. However, they had a minimum of $500 and so which I've been told as of 48 hours ago or so has been lowered to $50. And if that's the case, then maybe in the next week or two I will do a podcast on that because my guess is there aren't that many people that have actually converted um from BTC to BTCX yet. So, this is one of the

>> It's pretty thin out there. Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty thin. So, um so stay tuned on that. But but hopefully now that the threshold has been lowered, um hopefully that will change. [snorts] All right. Well, we're we're out of questions. We're we're only two hours in, which is actually good because I I actually need to get going soon. I know Dan O'Neal was going to hop in, so I do I do have a little bit more time. I haven't even pulled out the uh the old AI Q&A thing yet. Um which I'm not even sure. Let me see if it's even working. So, I'm traveling and I literally have It's ridiculous. I have like two

computers. I have my Nvidia computer. I It's It's It's ridiculous. Um I'm glad the internet connection has held up though. So, let's see. Yeah, we are getting some people to sign up for Oasisara, so that's so that's good. Um, yeah, I'd be curious to, you know, you can sign up for early access. I'm not sure when I'm going to release it. Like I said, I could release it now, but I think I want to go through and spend a lot more time on the granular data before before we put this out here. And then I also want to put in add some guides that make it easy for the [snorts] uh medical facilities and

doctors to sign up. So this is kind of even related to the point that you were saying about workshops and everything. Um we need an easy way to be able to on board doctors and medical facilities. That needs to be a simple one two three process. And you know, I need to look at this. Zbec is primarily US. Um, at least as I understand it, you at least you need to use a VPN set to the US. But, uh, it would be helpful if there was a way to, it would help with the onboarding if medical facilities could offboard their FUSD or Zeno to a debit card. that would

make that an easier easier process and an easier cell. And if there's a way to automate that um that that could be I'll look into that also. So I [clears throat] I want to make the sign up process easy. So but in any event again the roll out here is going to be we're going to make this site as uh easy to use as possible. So I definitely want people's feedback. So, if you want to sign up and be one of the early users of the site, I would appreciate it and I would very much appreciate critical feedback um and as much feedback as possible so that we can continue to make it better, continue to provide more useful and more helpful information. And then, [snorts] you know, again, the

longer term idea behind this is if this becomes a destination site for that kind of information, then then obviously everybody that's looking at the site is going to be looking at, oh, what is Zeno? what is freedom dollar and um there'll be a whole course section on that why you should consider using privacy coins I I and and privacy stable coins because I think it's it is going to be an issue where I I do think the financial system is going to track down crack down on people's ability to make purchases of of this kind because they need the centralized control over the system [snorts] uh to control pricing and to continue to control everything that they're controlling.

Um, I mean, think about how absurd it is that, you know, you can have an HSA where you put your own pre-tax dollars into it, but you can only spend it on certain products or services that the government insurance company deems necessary. And of course, most of those things, none of those things are really preventative. So, you can't really spend your own money on something that would actually make you healthy. You can only spend some of your money on things once you're already sick, provided that they're solutions that are preapproved by people within the industry in the government, which is which is ridiculous. Um, but [clears throat] again, I'm not going to

go over all of this again, but we have certificate of need boards and so many aspects of the health care system. Well, actually all aspects of the there's no aspect of the health health care system that's even centered around optimizing the health of the individual. So that kind of system I fought me when I was still believed that there was a political solution. My my big area was focusing on Obamacare and and in particular Obamacare Medicaid expansion and I've written I wrote several articles about this. I what the stuff that I learned was just mind-boggling to me about even in the state of New Hampshire the way the health care works where they came up with some kind of scam where they could

get Medicaid matching funds and then they took the matching funds and applied it to the general budget. So this was a way for politicians to look like they were being fiscally conservative by siphoning off Medicaid money. But in order to do that, they had to actually keep these inferior hospitals in line and block off any competition to any hospitals or innovators that might come in and disrupt the system, which would be easy to do because the hospitals themselves were notoriously ineffective. Um, in fact, let me see if I can find those find those articles. That was um again you most people I think wouldn't believe it. I think most people just assume that you know

healthcare is the way it is because well-intentioned people were working on it and it was iteratively improving over time and uh that is not the case. So let me see here. Yeah, I'll share this. This was one of my This is from 2018. This was the very end. This is the last time I voted or participated. Um, so if anybody's interested in this article, here we go. Here's an article about health care at the state level in New Hampshire.

I did tons of research on this and um and I was digging through archives and C-SPAN documents and everything else and to try to understand the history of legislation and when you when you track down like when these things were passed when Medicare and Medicaid was passed and what were the discussions at the time to try to compare what were the expectations that they had, what were they trying to say to the public, what did they think was going to happen versus what actually happened. Nobody ever does that. Nobody really does a look back on, hey, this is what these people said they were going to do and then how did it work out relative to their projections and uh when you see

it, it's not great. Oh, we have a couple of other people here. Hold on. Hey Dan. Hey Cameron. Cameron, am I pronouncing that right? >> Anyway, we have uh Dan. Yeah. Hey Dan. >> Hey Aaron. How are you doing tonight? >> I'm doing well. How are you? >> Good. Good. I don't want to interrupt you. You were on a roll there giving out some good information. So, uh, I'll let you finish. >> Well, good information is over. It's only bad information from here on out. [laughter] >> I saw Kennedy um uh was basically saying that uh he's going to split the MMR

vaccine into three different doses now. And uh somehow that's a win. And uh what I'm wondering is why doesn't he just say I don't recommend any of these vaccines? Um [snorts] [clears throat] how is splitting the MMR vaccine into three different doses a win? >> I'm [snorts] sure it's a win for big pharma. [laughter] >> Yeah, exactly. Well, you know, the funny thing about this is that everybody gets so excited about the fact that, oh, um, the government is now not recommending a certain thing. But here's the thing, they're still the number one per

All right, my internet uh cut out. So, sorry about that. That may happen. Uh it's 612 here, so I guess the internet access gets a little bit rough when the uh when the traffic increases. So, hopefully everybody can hear me now. I can hear you loud and clear. >> Great. >> So, I think Kennedy got rid of red 40 out of Skittles, too. So, I think that's the other win that the um Kennedy got. [snorts] >> That's great.

>> Yeah. Um, >> too bad about the technocracy AI takeover of everyone's healthcare data. >> Yeah, it's a shame. I u I think this whole thing is an example of uh how um we're not going to vote our way out of this and how voting itself is a scop. Um, I'm going to say something a little controversial, but if Harris won the election, all the medical freedom people would be marching in the streets having rallies. There would be um, everyone would be mad. But right now, nobody's doing anything. Um, and uh, seems like the most tyranny is always being pushed underneath Republican cabinets because

I I I just, you know, do you have any comments on that? >> [snorts] >> I think this is definitely the case. I I mean, I did a podcast about this a little while ago about the fact that I think MA has been hijacked and their hope has been weaponized against them and so they think that they're winning on CO and they're not paying any attention to what's actually going on with AI or any of this other stuff which is much worse than even the COVID vaccine. Not that the COVID vaccine was the COVID vaccine was horrible and you know it's a bioweapon and so forth but so what it's it's still there co Fizer was just given a what 70 80 billion contract like I so

the so we're down to the point where the win is that government employees aren't mandated to take it and it's not recommended for everyone but the government is still paying for All right. And it still exists. And and we're selling ourselves that that's a win. >> Yeah. That's not um that's not exactly what uh this whole thing was supposed to be about. You think if Kennedy got in there, you would have thought that um the whole vaccine industry was going to come to a complete halt. And um you know, I I don't see that happening at all. Um, in fact, they're like you just said, they just got $70 billion

from Trump so he can have his Fizer Trump RX company or whatever. >> Yep. Yep. It was uh again, I I I don't know what the I'm not People aren't defending it. I'm not hearing anybody's I mean I put out a lot of provocative stuff and I know a lot of people in the health freedom community and you know would say I was probably part of it but um I'm not hearing anybody defend it anymore. But I'm also not hearing but but you're right that if Harris had won there would be protests and all kinds of noise being made. People would be making documentaries. People would be writing books. People would be

doing all of the things that they did about COVID. They'd be doing it about Palunteer Health. They'd be doing it about Operation Stargate. They'd be doing about all these other things. That is what they would be actively doing. And they're not doing any of that. And that's that's a shame. And I, you know, I wondered to the degree to which that was by design. Certainly, I had Courtney uh Turner on here and she suggested that um that this was always the case that she was trying to warn people that that MA and RFK was was was always pushing this agenda. Not publicly, but that this was always kind of the plan. >> Interesting.

>> All right. So, let's see. Uh so, you said I'm gonna I'm gonna ask our virtual chat thing. I don't even know if this is set up right, but um so it was the MM RFK just what did he do? He recommended that the M >> Yeah, he recommended that the MMR vaccine be split into three different parts or three different shots to space it out. And um apparently it's safer that way, but uh you know, wouldn't be much safer just not to take it in the first place because it's um I don't see any benefit to it in any which way.

[snorts] Yep. Um well, let's see. Let me see what kind of answer we can get. I'm going to um [clears throat] maybe next week I'm going to do a comparison of these different models to show people how these AIs work [cough and clears throat] so that you can see what kind of answer chat GPT will give you versus Enoch versus um Claude etc. Um, I'm trying to run this right now and hold on. I'm getting an error. Anyway, keep keep talking. I'll let me see if I

can get this. >> Sure. When you go to when you go to Google Gemini, um, that AI is very good at making memes and pictures, but if you ask it any questions, it goes to Google for the answer on everything. and um you know, you don't get anything legitimate whatsoever from um a freedom point of view or um any legitimate answers that'll help anybody. So, um I'd be I'd be very curious if you put Gemini in there too to compare that to um Enoch. >> Oh, yeah. Well, we'll do all of it, but but uh some of them uh anthropic claude is the worst with respect to healthcare data. It is it is very much weighted and

trained to promote the medical establishment. And in fact, I will tell you how profound that is. In building the site, the that um this medical tourism site, you know, part of it is is is actually trying to scrape data and find data from multiple sources. And uh Claude would not build the scraper. It refused to build the scraper. And it gave me a whole song and dance and it gave me a whole disclaimer about healthcare data. It literally gave me a full response as to why it wouldn't build. So that was the first time I've experienced censorship in using AI for coding. And but I mean Claude has has certainly

censored when I set up this little chat thing with the voices. I didn't have it specify enough that it's supposed to use, you know, Christopher Hitchens tone, not not his content. like I had to be really explicit about what the role was because I had asked Enoch or I should call it bright you uh about COVID and so it gave this Christopher Hitchens rant about how vaccines are bad are great and that people that are antivaccine are like it was it it gave the exact opposite answer that uh Enoch provided because I can see what the chain of what what data went through what part of this process. And so

then you start learning on how these things are trained and what the rules are because and so a lot of these AIs are trained on like generic information on the internet or trained on Reddit or whatever. And so the way you're going to weight things if you're trained on slop is [snorts] going to be completely different than if you're trained on a completely different set of data. And so to me, it's been fascinating to try to explore as they work on these new models, do they retrain from scratch? Do they keep the data that they trained on and then run it through their new model? Or do they just take the previous model and then add on top of that? Because then, you

know, we really have a situation here where the bias in the responses that you get is based on whatever original data set it is that they decided to train on. And so a lot of this was like, you know, again, if it's Reddit and some other content, it's like, okay, this this is a problem. [snorts] So, I see we have uh Is everybody in here that's supposed to be in here? Okay, let's see. Stephen, are you on here? All right, Stephen's on here. Stephen, >> I'm in, man. >> Okay, good. >> It's interest It's interesting if you

look at the beginning of COVID, some of the some of the personalities in the freedom movement podcasters that were on the right side of things and some of them that were on the wrong side of the things in the very beginning uh was very interesting. Um like if you look at Ron Paul, Ernest Hancock, James Corbett, uh those guys from the day one, don't take that vaccine. Look at the agenda. Uh James Corbett had a 4 and a half hour documentary on Meet Bill Gates. Um Ron was talk uh talking about the pandemic a year before it started saying that they're going to do all this. And um then you look at some of these other podcasters that were

playing along with the agenda from the very beginning. Um, you know, Dave Smith was wearing the mask and talking about it. Lucowski was mad at anybody that uh didn't wear the mask or talked against the vaccine uh said they were going to get people killed. And you got, you know, so you had a big difference in this freedom movement on uh from the very beginning on who was telling the truth and who wasn't. So, um, and it's always the same people. You know, Ron Paul has been right for a long time. Ernest Hancock, James Corbett. Um, so, um, we have a lot of people in this movement that are misinformants, I think, and they steer people in the wrong directions and they have huge

followings. [snorts] >> So, >> well, here's the question, though. Is it are they misinformed? Are they intentionally misinforming people? Or do they just not know? Because here's the thing. Most people don't know how healthcare works. Most people have no idea the information that we've talked about in the last two or three podcasts here. Almost no one is familiar with this. People don't I mean because by the way, if they were aware of this, there would be riots. It's kind of like what Henry Ford said about money. Like if people understood how money works, there would be, you know, riots in the street tomorrow. And I think the same is true with healthcare. They put up with not

knowing how much things are going to cost. They put up with all of this stuff. And and no one would put up with that if they understood what happened. So I don't know to what extent So to what extent are people intentionally misinforming or not? Now, are they being particularly objective or open in their reporting of these situations? I mean, I think clearly not right. I I think there is some room for people to be wrong and to improve, but then there is the question of why are people listening to people on what basis are do these people have large followings and why do people listen to it? That's a whole other problem. Well, I mean, like Tom Woods used to

say, there's a certain people that stay between uh the 9 by11 index card of allowable opinion and uh they're going to get a much bigger net, bigger audience. And then there's some other people that don't care about that as much and they just want to speak the truth. Um I'm going to talk about Alex Jones, for example. He might have the biggest audience in the whole freedom movement. And let's be honest, when it comes to really big stuff, he's a misinformant and he knows it. Um I don't need to explain that, do I? >> No. Uh you don't. I But there's a question. So was was he always that way or was he hijacked? I I that's that to me is the the question. The one thing

that I've noted though is the one strand throughout the time he's been reporting on this stuff is his answer is always to believe in somebody else. His his answer is never here's what you can do for yourself about the situation. His answer is always like, you know, believe in Trump or we're going to defeat the the globalist by voting or whatever. I don't think that's ever changed. It's just absurd now. like the idea that he can defend Trump. Um I you know you listen to it the way that he even tries to rationalize it where co was like his big issue the whole time and then and then all of a sudden now he's backpedaling. He's like well you know Trump was just surrounded by the

right wrong people and now he's get getting the right information and then then he turns around and gets gets another booster and gives 70 80 billion dollars to fisors. Like at some point there's no He has to know what he's saying doing is is maliciously bullshit at this point. I I actually think I suspect he might be doing it out of self-interest to try to get his case resolved and to try to get um any leverage that he might be able to get in his legal proceedings. That's one part of it. But um I don't know. I don't know. It would be nice if people would start thinking for themselves. I can't even watch I'm not even watching this stuff

anymore. I mean, it's not even just Alex Jones. The stuff that comes across my feed, the latest debate between whoever it's going to be, Dave Smith and this and I and I sit back and I look at this like e even if I watch this, what would po what would I possibly gain from this? And what would possibly change as a result of it? arguing about whether it's the neocons or the Jews. How is that even what what's that going to do? What's the net effect of that going to be? I mean there millions of people watching that and and and right like it's that so the whole thing is about style and delivery on people that are

not knowledgeable about what they're talking about that that seems to be now again I don't know if it's popular because it's popular or if it's popular because it's intentionally boosted by algorithms because it keeps people divided. Well, I mean, obviously if you're MAGA, if you identify as MAGA and you're a podcaster, you're going to have a much much bigger audience than um if you're not. So, if you're just if you're just trying to get clicks, likes, and you want to sell vitamins or you want to sell um whatever gimmick you're selling, you know, that's the direction you're going to go. you're going to tell everybody that he's the savior of the republic and uh this great guy and this

that and the other. Now um the problem is now you get a guy like Ron Paul who's been telling the truth for you know god knows how long before all of us were even born. Um even in the Republican debates are asking him um you know if you lose this debate are you going to support the uh whoever wins the primary and he said no. He goes, "I don't like anybody on this stage." And um you know, Ron was never, you know, he's the only guy that stood up against the Iraq and Afghanistan war. He's still to this day, he's talking about natural law and the truth. And uh you know, he was right about COVID. He was right about all these laws. And the funny the funny thing um about him is that um you know

just like yourself you guys have been right about a lot of things but it's not the most popular thing to be right and stand up against a lot of this stuff. You know you can do a lot better probably financially if you just lie and or you know do what everyone wants to hear. So um now that being said I'm sure some of these people are not lying. they might have just been wrong and they corrected their positions and that's fine. Um, [snorts] you know, but in in this movement, we do have a lot of people that um have major audiences and they're just not touching the surface of what what is really going on or the truth. >> Yeah. No, they're not. And and and

they're not paid to do that. you know, when you start learning on how these uh sponsorships work and you start following the money on that. I don't know if Craig is going to hop on tonight or not, but um you follow these conservative things. It's like, all right, they're going to have the same four sponsors and um and those sponsors have a large sway over what the content is. And so if the content goes a little bit too far one way or the other, then these people are going to lose their financial support. So that that is a that's a tough one. I mean, if somebody's on there and they're trying to sell people gold ETFs or sell, you know, whatever. I um what

was it Eric Prince? What did Eric Prince What was Eric Prince selling? What was he behind? Was he behind one of these uh I don't know. I don't There's a whole bunch of you you see these um memes with all these podcasters that are basically funded by the same same sponsors. Yeah. You good luck being MAGA and you you can't talk negatively about MAHA or the health freedom movement or you'll lose these sponsors that are providing. What what's the what's the big one that Mcola is behind? um that pushes I mean it pushes alternative treatments for COVID and everything but

but the thing is I mean you know they sponsored a huge just dozens and dozens of of influencers. Well, I mean, if you're getting sponsored by them [clears throat] and you go out and talk against MA, you're probably going to lose your sponsorship money. [snorts] But then you then you drill into it and then you find that the whole system is actually it's even worse than that because you have advertisers that are um buying these alleged influencers and then the the influencers sometimes are represented by collective people that are doing paytoplay to get placement on things like Rumble. So the whole thing is fake

[snorts] and I think the whole thing is designed to give like social proof and perceived weight to various arguments or various positions. It's unclear whether people are actually listening or whether there's any actual momentum behind it. Like if I see something now if I see that somebody something got millions of views I have no idea what that means. Did people actually watch it? The what is the cut off point? something like 3 seconds or something for Rumble or YouTube? I don't even know what it is now. I think I might have covered it in one of the podcasts. So, you look at these numbers, are there people actually listening to this stuff? And if they are listening to it, do they

believe it? Like, like, how much attention are they actually paying? How many other things are they doing while they're listening? I don't know. I don't know, man. It's hard. But, but yeah, no, there's no there isn't a lot of money in the truth. It's kind of like even doing this medical marketplace thing, right? You know, it's kind of I spent a lot of time thinking about I've been talking about doing this for a long time and I've been thinking about what is the right way to do it. And in the end, I'm kind of like because I want people to take privacy coins, but if I but if I ended up trying to sign up medical facilities one by one, like you know, how are you going to create a

market like that, right? If I if I signed up if I signed up a medical facility in Thailand, how many people in in Thailand, how many people that have Zeno or Freedom Dollar right now want those medical services? You have Yeah, there's a big chicken and egg problem. The bigger problem is that people don't realize that they're getting completely fleeced by health care that has bad outcomes and it's about to turn into digital tyranny. That's the problem. But nobody's talking about that problem. So I wanted to make the medical marketplace site a site about information and about transparency, not about where the financial incentives drive the content. The financial

incentives, there are no financial incentives. So they I mean they don't drive the content at all. So, when it comes to politics, not I don't want to be sound like I'm talking about Ron Paul every two seconds, but he mentioned every morning when you walk into the Raybor room, that's the Cong uh where the Congress meets, they hand you a booklet, and it says, "These are all the votes that are going to happen today. This is how you're supposed to vote based on all [snorts] these corporate sponsors or else." And uh Ron, you used to just throw that thing in the garbage. Um it got to the point where the whole Republican party tried to redistrict him to a completely Democrat

district. They still couldn't get rid of him. But that's how politics works. So if you don't vote for Fizer, you don't vote for Rathon, if you don't vote for Hallebertton, Johnson and Johnson and Madna, you won't be a part of the government. Period. So, um, we have a complete Congress, Senate, presidency, complete judicial system that's bought and paid for and has no interest whatsoever in the truth or helping anybody. Am I wrong? [snorts] >> No, I mean, you're not you're not wrong at all. I mean, those are the people that got got those people elected. and who was even possible as a candidate was was already predetermined largely by the

party apparatus which is also controlled by those same donors. So yeah, I mean you know Ron Paul was great. He did nothing in Congress. Ran Paul has done nothing. And the thing that and there are people that are like, "Well, if we just had 50 more Rand Pauls, it's like, dude, it's been, you know, Ron Paul exited this stuff in what 20 12 or whatever." And and in this entire period of time, we we still only have Thomas Massie and Ran Paul. So there's no arc here where this is What would it take to get to 50 Rand Pauls? It's not possible. And

having one Rand Paul doesn't change anything. >> So Ron left in 2014 with the speech where he called the entire Congress a bunch of authoritarian psychopaths. And then a couple years later, he said, "Listen, I'm a volunteerist, but all these systems are about to collapse on each other. The financial system, the medical system." He goes, "Uh, hold on to your hats, get yourself strong, and get ready for what's coming." He said this about 2019. Um, and then 2020 happened. So from 2020 to what we have today, we've experienced a massive decline in every which way in our standard of living and uh what has

happened to us with our lockdowns uh all these wars and um you know there's no really solution to this politically but when all these people in our freedom movement only concentrate on politics you know uh voter registration drives signatures to get on the ballot. Um constant, you know, politicking um for in a system that has no interest whatsoever in working. Um it you're right if [snorts] it's a perfect scop. >> It is. And again, I think most of these people don't know that they're doing this. Like they don't realize I, you know, I know this is the thing at the Liberty movement in New Hampshire.

Most people like like believed in it because they didn't know how politics actually worked. So they're just like, "Well, our ideas are better, so we'll win because our ideas are better." They don't understand any of the mechanics or the money or the political structures. And so a lot of people come in it with good intentions, but but then they don't adapt. They don't adjust. They don't when they don't learn or or they get to the point where if they get any amount of political power um they violate all of their principles and then rationalize it as well this is just the way that it works. I mean, this is why I want to try to figure out if I don't even know if I'll

be effective at laying out all of the aspects of Okay, let's play pretend. Let's play let's say you're serious about winning politics. Okay, let's diagram here's how the money works. Here's how the elections actually work. Here's how voting works. Here's how the bills are actually draft. This is what actually happens. What game are you playing when you're like, we're going to get signatures for the ballot and what is your theory? We're going to get 1% this year and then we're going to get 3% and then what? You're going to win? I mean, some of these like the libertarians are delusional. What do you get? 3% and then what? Then you're going to win the next time.

Uh they don't even get 3%. It's more like uh what did Chase Oliver get? 4%. Um and um if they got 1% it's a miracle. But the thing is when the libertarians um they don't want to a lot of them don't want to be controversial. They don't want to go out on a limb on medical freedom or anti-war or anything because they think that if they stay between the lines that somehow everyone's going to like them. But the problem is, you know, nobody's going to vote for uh somebody that's staying between the lines that has no chance of winning. Um so they're always wouldn't vote for the R or the D. and um you know so libertarian politics

the only use for it is to have a community to meet people bring you know and and that's about it. Nobody's winning an election. Um, I mean, I know some people might get mad because I think in Pennsylvania they won the dog catcher election like 30 times or um, you know, some commissioner of uh, something that nobody else cares about somewhere in the middle of nowhere. Um, but let's be honest, like even the Free State Project, um, I think, um, the the only way I'm going to know the Free State Project ever is successful is if we see them succeed someday. But I don't even think they can win a big

election in any which way. >> Yeah. I I mean the sec the secession thing was shot down for a vote and I mean and it it even became one of those deals where free stator were like well this is just going to make us look bad if we try to bring this up and that even became a thing and so it's just like I you know I call it the slow fail strategy and you know your strategy is well yeah government's still growing but it's going to grow not as fast under us and like that's not inspiring nor does that solve any And but once people get in there, they actually think they they convince themselves they're actually doing something. I mean, they'll go through all kinds of mental gymnastics

to rationalize that what they're doing is actually helping Liberty. Even though the votes that they've traded off and the things that they've done have actually been a massive net liability, they don't ever want to look at that. They just want to focus on these two or three talking points. And a lot of the time these things that they pass get reversed. Like New Hampshire was against Real ID for a long time. And this was something if you go back to whenever 2012, 2013. This is if you look at why you should move to New Hampshire and be part of the Free State Project, they're going to put on there successfully opposed Real ID. >> Well, we have Real ID now.

But they didn't put in their messaging that they never tal in fact this is the we actually started to touch on this a little bit earlier. No one ever does a look back on whether or not you sustained wins or whether or not you kept the winds that Yeah. Yeah. Whether you whether you managed to keep the wins that you had over a long period of time. And what does that look like? What does it overall look like? What have you won and sustained versus what have you lost and the lo where the losses were sustained? I started putting together a thing because I I got to this point where I'm like, "All right, well, I figured out how it works." And I'm like, you could and and my theory with this was it's

kind of like how I talked about how startups work because no nobody could ever understand this. like we raised $300,000 for a super PAC and and I in like eight days and people were like, "Well, that's more money than, you know, we've raised in like five years. Why is that?" And and it's because we put together a strategy to try to take over the house and actually run people at these top positions. And other people will sit there and say, "Well, you know, if you just invest $1,000, we can win two house seats." Well, if you win two house seats, you accomplish nothing. People want to invest in something where it could possibly have an impact. And and what you have with these political

movements is a collection of small wins that usually get reversed surrounded by a bunch of massive losses that no one talks about. So, so anyway, people in the political scene in New Hampshire don't like me that much anymore. I put one of the links to one of the articles that I wrote about Medicaid expansion. And then I actually wrote another one about school choice um that they also didn't like because it because they just they lined themselves up with these. Look, the government's getting involved. You're going to end up with a situation with the way they're rolling out school choice where the government is going to have control over all of schooling. That's actually where

this ends up. Not not everybody has choice. the choices that you get will be predetermined by the government and it'll end up destroying private education, but everybody gets into this idea of well, we have to do these half measures. And so, yeah, if we if we if we compromise here, I'm sure government will get smaller later. If we compromise five different times away from the principles that we were going for, I'm sure it'll work out. When you ask them and press them on how, there's no answer. there's no strategy because they're all diluting themselves and then they end up trying to raise money and they're raising money on the basis of oh we did this really small thing. Um Rome

wasn't built in a day and then people make careers out of this. I mean I know people that in New Hampshire that like they're lobbyists and then this becomes their life and then they end up in their 40s and it's like this is all they all they've done and this is their livelihood. So now they don't want anybody to come in and rock the boat or push anything that's actually principled because that would impair their ability to raise money from the people that have bought their slow fail story. That's anyway. Yeah, politics is is not where it's at. Um but again, I'm going to go I I to me I think a big part of it is you got to lay out the information. It's kind of like

with healthcare. I mean, how many people how many friend I guess this is probably the wrong group to talk to because these are but but I mean, how many of your normie friends and family or even family members have any idea about this medical tourism or about how any of this insurance works and how big of a ripoff all this is? >> I'm just learning about it myself actually, the whole medical tourism thing. Um but I mean coming back to the whole uh you know political thing it's like if you look at Maha and um you know they had this uh political equity that that they used along with the libertarians and uh you know uh sure

uh Ross got freed right that's an awesome thing and it that was a a real true win I think but uh then you know Maha was real happy because RFK got the position that he got with Trump. Um, and then does anybody consider the fact that not only that they're funded by uh these uh these players like you know the pharmaceutical companies and stuff like that, but they're also invested in them, right? Don't they own stocks? Don't all these don't all these politicians own stocks and all these companies? So before the lobbying even comes, they have a a personal interest to uh push the companies that they're holding stock in. >> Yep. >> Yeah. No, of course they do. I mean, and

every most people do, right? Most people hold this stuff in their 401ks or their retirement plans. >> I mean, how many how many transhumanist companies and pharmaceutical companies does uh RFK have uh investments in? [laughter] I mean, I thought I I I thought I heard some blips on on uh him owning stock in all these companies. >> Well, he does. If you JD Vance owns a I have his portfolio. I'll have Craig on. Uh we were doing some research on this. He owns a bunch of robotics companies and and um uh complete technocrat companies. And that what's going on in Ohio is going to turn into a technocracy hub with VC and everything else. So now you have Androl and and all this other

stuff. And they've managed to convince people like even some like libertarianish people that these are like smart free market people. And they're not. They're actually full-on technocrats. And most of these businesses that they're making this money off of are making their money off of government contracts. It's like, oh well, you're clever. You managed to figure out a way to defraud the government. Like that's not that's not a useful thing, nor is it a libertarian thing. But JD Vance is is his portfolio is is all technocracy and he's part of an investment fund. VEX company that that he talked about um Strive or whatever.

Uh Craig went and there's no office. He he actually went to the office to see what was going on and there was there's no one there's no one there. There's no actual people in the office. the the whole thing is is um and then RFK got into Bitcoin all of a sudden and now everybody's pushing a Bitcoin strategic reserve. So yeah, there's no and his running mate who funded his entire campaign was completely tied into that. So >> and they're building the reserve with confiscated Bitcoin. >> Yep. >> [laughter] >> Yep. They >> It makes me want to like uh It makes me want to like uh take all my Bitcoin and convert it into other privacy coins.

[laughter] >> Well, I mean, people see again, people have to stop worshiping these people. I I I mean, at what point do you realize you're rugged by RFK? I don't And everybody's like, "Oh, it's Bobby." Everybody refers to him as Bobby. Okay. At what point do you realize you were rugged by Bobby? Like again, it's almost it's almost like it's the 5D chess thing. Oh, well, he's just getting in there and then he's going to do this. Really? He's going to bring in Mark Andre. He's going to bring in Palunteer. Like, what's the big six D move here? I I I don't think that there's a lot of clarity on what what people think he's trying to do as it relates to the

concept of medical freedom. And the concept of medical freedom to me seems like it's a pretty simple concept, which is that you have complete control over your own body and your own health. It's not a complicated nuanced thing. And wearables and AI surveillance and Palunteer and Mark Andre's portfolio companies meeting with the government and applying AI to Medicare and Medicaid is not part of medical freedom in any way, shape, or form. I mean, if we've gotten to the point where medical freedom is recommending a vaccine that is a bioweapon, but they're still the largest purchaser of it and and and that is a success and people like that's a win. That's a

big win. People are celebrating this as a win. Hey, Chris. >> Hey, >> how's it going? >> Yep, your mic's on. All right, cool. Going all right. Going all right. You're just talking about something that is it resonates with uh a general observation I've been making over the last couple years sort of emerging from paying attention to all these little crypto communities, but you know, how do people still believe in the five the air quotes 5D chess and the the RFK juniors and all of these? And I've just sort of observed that people are they've got like a genius fetish,

right? Everyone's looking out there to find the the smart person to follow and basically make all their decisions for them. Like, oh, smart person, you know, they've they they're in charge. They know what they're doing. I will just do what they say. I'll do what they tell me. Whether it's some idiot influencer shilling up the memecoin of some kind and they're like this is the next, you know, this is the next Bitcoin that's going to go up tens of thousands of dollars for you after you after you buy in or whatever. And uh yeah, it's just people get locked into this genius fetish fetishi fetishization, man. Well, that's a hard word. Um, and they just

kind of won't drop it even when even when the the person clearly is is not performing, is not doing what they were supposed to be doing. It's unfortunate. >> Yeah. I mean, we've talked about this before. I mean, it's easier to fool someone than convince them they've been fooled. And and we're we're living that now to the point where I mean, if you bought if you bought it for 5 years, then you'll buy the more outlandish story about it being 5D chess because otherwise you'd have to admit you've been wrong every single time for five years. And that's a high bar for for people to want to cross. And so that's why the stories get more outlandish. And I mean I talked about this with crypto

with this Nisara Jasara XRP XLM global quantum financial reset thing. And I mean I dug into that and it's like that that is a you know you have people that are sitting around thinking that the Bank of International Settlements is going to participate somehow in orchestrating a debt jubilee and then issuing people goldback tokens on XRP. And then people based on this are not paying their mortgages or paying their bills. Like this is a level and it's still happening. But then now they add new things to it. Well, there are also medbeds. So in in addition to the quantum financial reset, all of healthcare is going to be revolutionized because they've been the white hat

insiders are going to unveil the bet the medbed technology that's going to cure everybody's cancer. Like it's just but again now if you're that far into it now you're like eight years into that SC up. Hey that sounds well you know sure I believe that. So I'm not going to get medical treatment. I'm going to not pay my mortgage and I'm going to wait for the Bank of International Settlements and the White Hats or military intelligence to come. That's the level we're at. >> Yeah. It's pretty depressing. There's also it's it's you you talk scop up. I think in terms of like what I'm saying with genius fetish, there's also the the broader scup of like most people have

never met a genius. They don't know what a genius behaves like. They don't know what they might sound like when they're talking. They're not exposed to like an actual genius. And they're they're like people that are really really smart are often times fairly uncertain, right? They they they operate in distributions of ways things can go. They're not going to give you that like confident take of of it's going to go exactly to plan like this. I'm seven steps ahead. It's going to fall out exactly like these dominoes are going to play out. And but because most people don't have any experience with geniuses, right? It's like one in 50, one in a 100red in the population. And it's not

like they're evenly distributed, right? They they congregate in certain areas more more so than others. And so what people rely on is freaking media. Oh yeah, geniuses are the that's that's what you see in Big Bang Theory or some other TV show where, you know, you've got writers who also probably don't have a lot of experience interacting with people who are actually really conscious and and capable and they're spinning out their fantasy fiction version of what a genius looks like. So it's like this decadesl long scop of presenting this really stupid image of what someone that is capable of actually helping you and and thinking about all

of these different angles and coming up with potential solutions is going to look and sound like you know it's like [snorts] nested scops. >> Yep. I I don't disagree with that at all. Um and it's I mean again it's I how do you break that? I don't know how you break it. I mean I guess it's just one person at a time. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. You got to I mean you got to engage people I guess uh and uh show them that they could be their own guru, they could be their own genius. Like they can get the information. they can surround themselves with uh other people and network with them that know about these things and uh ways around them and

you know we can't look to anybody else to save us. You know you have to look at all the information and think for yourself and come to your conclusions and then make your decisions you know and then make midcourse corrections when things aren't going properly the way you expect them to or you desire them to. Uh but people don't want to do that. Of course, they don't want to think. They want somebody else to think for them, >> right? >> And tell them what to do. So yeah, how do you break the conditioning? I mean, you have to engage just one at a time. And that's that's uh that's what I'm trying to do. I think everybody here tries to do that um to some degree. Some

of us do it on a grand scale uh with big audiences and some of us do it one-on-one, but that's really what needs to be done. Um, [snorts] you know, uh, I think a lot of the infrastructure is in place for this stuff and then it's it's always improving all the time because you have people like Aaron and, uh, other folks in this community that are building infrastructure. It's just uh bringing people along and showing them what's already been put together and uh and to to uh start using it, using what's there and uh getting the updates and learning about what's new and uh engaging with that too and learning more about that and and then just continue to uh bring

people into this parallel system to uh of trade to uh to be able to do [snorts] business with people and associate with people that uh want to be free and not do not want to be uh enslaved and have their you know h be told what to do all the time. Um but it's l it's I guess it's it's kind of laziness. I have it. I know I have it. You know I have my mental laziness. I ask stupid questions and you know I can go get the answer myself you know. >> Okay. Um but you know we try to be an example and what you're doing and then you know when people ask you why you doing that you know explain to them why

you're doing that or just even talk to them and see what their pain is and say well this is kind of how I deal with that pain and uh you know here's some information on it. I I don't see any other way to do it. Um, and then you know bring them to an event where somebody who does know more about these parallel systems can show them more and give them more details, point them to the resources. I I don't know. I don't know what else to do. I mean, but it's definitely not voting. >> No, [laughter] I have not voted in many many years and I have not regretted not voting in many many years. like Obama Obama won was the last major election that I cast a vote in and uh within two years I felt like

I'd gotten got and was like it's just not worth it get [snorts] spun up spending the time all that shit. >> Yeah. No, it's a it's a colossal drain. Well, I mean hopefully we can build some of these systems and then make them work and make them easy for people. I I think people need to see that there's an option. This is why part of the problem is you have a lot of people arguing about not even the right thing and that draws a lot of attention. So people are passively spectating people that don't know what they're talking about debating about an issue that's not important and that takes a lot of time and that takes a lot of of effort. But but most people think that the solutions the only

solutions that are available are those that are within the existing system because they've never thought outside of the box or outside they don't even know how the current system works let alone try to think outside of it and rather than try to convince those people with abstract ideas that's challenging I think we have to try to show them tangible concrete alternatives They have to be simple and and not too inconvenient because that's it's that laziness thing, right? People are just really addicted to their convenience. It's it's one of the worst things of technology and modernization is like we think convenience at making things easier on ourselves is so great, but then it's like

we all get hooked on it in some ways and then it becomes increasingly difficult to actually go do things that really aren't that hard. They're just kind of annoying, but it's better for you if you do them anyway. >> Yeah, because we're familiar, you know, we like to do, you know, go with what you know. This is what I'm familiar with, right? I mean, I know um you know, I got into cryptocurrency in what, 2020 and uh started, you know, it was like daunting for me because I didn't know anything about it. But it's really no different than what we're already doing. I mean, yeah, there's some things that are different about it, but I mean, uh, you know, and then, you know,

beingworked with a community that that is familiar with it, you know, has shown me how to use it to my advantage um, in in situations when I want to use it. And, um, so it's been very, you know, very beneficial for for me. And it's not that hard really. It's not and it's getting easier. That's the thing. Um, now I'm like looking at the whole medical thing and and uh yeah, it's like looking at it, it's like taking that first step of getting out of I mean, you know, I've always been into for the past 15 years, I've always been into uh you know, holistic uh methods of uh healing your body and uh knowing that that God's design is a good design and the body can

heal itself. Um, but you know, I've, you know, I've always been plugged into this uh medical industrial complex in some way, shape, or form. And now I'm looking at walking right out of it totally completely. Um, and that first step is daunting. But, you know, uh, tomorrow I'm probably I'm I'm going to be going into tell my uh my office manager that I'm redacting my enrollment and looking for other methods. >> Awesome. We we did that years ago and uh it's it's been great like um and we spend uh you know a few hundred dollars a month sharing medical bills with like-minded [snorts] people versus uh friend of mine you know he and his family pay 1,800 [snorts] a month. I mean 1,800 a month

times 12 it's real money. >> Yeah. The I'm glad you're on this medical tourism thing Aaron. I spent most of this year out out of the country internationally. I was just like I had already known medical tourism from family because I have f my mom's side of the family is from Taiwan and so she would have relatives or friends that would go back to Taiwan because they had some kind of physical or medical need. And it was like it's cheaper for me to go back to Taiwan. the roundtrip ticket plus the medical expenses plus the living expenses is cheaper than just doing the procedure here. So, it was all on my radar. But going through like Latin America, there areies all over the place where things

that you have to jump through the hoop of talking to a general practitioner, dealing with your insurance, dealing with your co-pays, blah blah blah blah blah, you can just go get over the counter there and it's like cheaper than most co-pays. And I was in Japan and I got like an ear infection from from plane flight or whatever. And I no insurance had to go to basically urgent care. And the urgent care cost plus four different prescription meds and filling those meds was less than 100 US with no insurance. >> Yep. Yep. that I mean this is common I and this is what hopefully we'll we'll put together on the site will have aggregate

all this data because once you see it I mean it's real this is this is how bad it is this is how completely disconnected from reality the cost and quality of care is here and I think if we can get that word out it'll help a lot of people I I will tell you from the last podcast a lot of people have reached out to me personally with hey I know this person has you know a hip problem or this person has this problem. Uh do you think you can help? Right. So there are a lot I mean a lot of people are desperate right now. And as I stated last time, what is it the you have to wait 26 days or something uh for an appointment with a specialist. That's the average wait time in the US.

Whereas with these medical tourism things, these things are like same day. And so, so you have people that are, you know, don't know how much a major surgery is about to cost and they're sitting around bouncing around waiting to even get scheduled. So, um, so I yeah, I really hope that, um, we can get this information laid out and get it shared and and and hopefully wake some people up. I do hate to do this because you sounds like we've got a good talk going here and we've got a pretty we got a real vibrant group, but I I am in Salt Lake City and I've got to pack up and I actually have to switch hotels and have an 8 8 a.m. and my wife here telling me this. >> Your wife?

>> My My wife has packed up most of the things and I have this entire setup. So, I I'm going to be delaying everything significantly here. So, I I probably should end this a little earlier than I I normally would, but I hope everyone comes back and we can continue the conversation. >> Yeah. Thanks. Thanks for always having some good streams on, Aaron. Uh, yep. >> Pop in when I can. >> All right. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you for joining. Thank you everybody. Talk to you guys soon. Bye. >> Thanks, Aaron. >> [singing] >> Tick tock. Choose.

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