S2E45: THE FINAL BETRAYAL - From Farmland to Digital Prison

The bangers wrote their letters in shadows cold [music and singing] and deep. A promise for the iron chains [music] to bind us in our sleep. They called it just [music] a progress, a digital decree. But freedom has no barcode [music] and souls are not fully. [music] It's the final countdown. The reckoning of men, crypto, gold and silver rise where paper [music] dies again. They dream of central power of money's [music] eye and cage

but voices rise unbroken [music] to life is modern age [music] [music] from gy halls to davos the tyrants take their claim they preach [music] of safety justice but hunger for the chain they hide behind the slogans [music] they whisper trust the plan but every law they're passing [music] just enslaves the common man [music] there's a final countdown the recording of men

[music] and [singing] silver rise where paper dies again [music] they dream of central The power of money I engage [music] where voices rise unbroken to light this modern >> [music] >> The merchants [music] and the dreamers, the rebels and the

wives. Take refuge [music] in the ledgers where the watchful state can pry in Zano's cloak of [music] shadows. In Monero's quiet streams, they guard the [singing] ancient promise of liberty's [music] old dreams. It's the final countdown. The reckoning of men. Crypto, gold, and silver rise where paper dies again. [music] They dream of central power of money's iron [singing] cage, but voices rise unbroken

to light this modern age. So raise your [music] hands in my life. Let tyrants hear the sound. [music] The people's last defiance is the truth that won't back down. [music] It's more than just survival. It's more than just a stand. [music] It's freedom's final chorus song [music] across this burning land. [music] Heat. [music]

Heat. >> [music] [music] >> They raised the throne of glass and wire. [music] A kingdom born of cold desire and crowned the silent cold that came to rule you. [music] It watched the trembling of your breath. It priced your

life. It mapped your death. A final [music] betrayal dressed as something true. Bless the unbroken [music] will. Bless the unbroken will. [music] They promised order promised peace. [music] [singing] But every gift required a peace [music] of who you were before their grid consumed [music] you. A nation bed for control. A ledger carved into your soul. A quiet doom disguised [music] as forward future. >> Bless the unbroken will.

[music and singing] Bless the unbroken will. All the watches rise in [singing] the circuitry. [music] All the warnings [singing] lost in the dawn. All the people [music and singing] bow to the ministry. till [singing and music] everything was gone. I walked the halls where truth was sold. [music] Where human hands grew numb and cold, [music] and efficiency became the faith they gave you. You'd [music] never see the

chains they built, but every sunrise dripped with guilt. A quiet empire shaping [music] your behavior. >> Bless the unbroken will. Bless the unbroken [music] will. >> They tokenize the land and sky. >> They took [music and singing] the land. The land and sky. >> The right to live. The right to die. >> The right to [music] live. The right to >> A sovereign life reduced to captured [singing] die. measure. [music] The future shrank to narrow lines, a cage of data, coded [music] signs, a subtle death. They dressed in borrow [music] pleasure. The [singing] unbroken will rise though.

[music] The night is closing in. Rise [music] stars are still rise for [music] blessing. [music] So keep your lantern in [music] the storm. Guard every soul that still feels warm. and hold the truth no tyrants cold can alter. [music] For even at the world's last hour, a single heart can break the tower. A

whispered vow the darkness cannot falter. Bless the unbroken will. Bless the unbroken will. [music and singing] [music] Heat. [music] Heat. [music] >> [music] >> The unbroken. and

oh [music] the land don't breathe like it used to breathe. My grandfather held the soil like scripture in his hands. But now the fields are wired tight. A fortune and nearly 500 billion running under satellite light.

Just 2% decide the table for 330 million souls. [music] [singing] While the hum of iron engines sends our birthight to the cold. They're pulling [music] 5 gigabytes an hour rising like a prayer den upward to a corporate sky. The farmer is locked outside. And though nearly 20 million work begins, only a tiny [music] handful touch the land. The machine grows tall, the people

small, their stories slipping from their hand. Oh, the rule remembers freedom. [music] Even buried [singing] in the dark. You [music] can change the life with numbers, but you cannot [music] change this bar. This ain't farming. It's a wheel of steel and coal. [music] Your grandfather's farm's a checkpole on a techno [music] credit. They take the seed, they [music] take the soil, they take the hours from your

spine. And the machine keeps pulling everything one [singing and music] acre at a time. A quarter of the world's [music] sea locked behind the corporate gate. You can't save your own just by again. Let algorithms [music] choose your fate and nearly 10 billion animals [music] push through corridors of chrome. Where [music] the land once sang the server's drone. What it used to [music] feed now grown. There's over three trillion in

equipment. Farmers rent but never keep. [music] And well over 300 billion in debt [music] pulling families in need. Call it progress, call [music] it glory, but I've read the headlines. [music] The machine is [singing] fed by labor and it starts the working [music] mind. The land [singing] still knows your footsteps, even [music] under grids and wires. The machine [music] can [singing] dim the daylight, but it cannot drown the fire.

This [music] ain't faring. It's a wheel of steel and [music] coal. A tiny few of the compass [music] for the many down below. They count your days. They [music] count your years. They tally blood and time. [music and singing] And the machine keeps taking families down one story at a [music] time. Your grandfather's lands been patterned. >> [music] >> Your pasture quantified, but no algorithm knows the truth

of what your hands decide. This ain't faring. It's a kingdom [singing] built on screens. They turn the soil to a number. turn the farmers into means, but the land remembers [music] kindness and the people still alive. [music] We outlive every empire one [music] heartbeat at a time.

>> [snorts] >> Welcome back to the Aarend Day Show. This is season 2, episode 45. We have a completely packed episode tonight. Uh we actually have not one, not two, but three guests. And so I'm going to dispense with some of the normal stuff that I would do at the beginning. Uh although there's so much news. I mean, I could probably talk for two or three hours just about what's gone on in the last, you know, 48 hours, frankly with the Epstein files and everything else. But um we'll save some of that for later if there's time in the Q&A and definitely for Thursday. But for tonight, we're gonna actually have two segments. I'm going to bring on Craig Wkelawitz and we're going to talk

about the effect of agriculture or technocracy and agriculture. So the inter intersection of those two concepts which is something that's critical for people to understand. Obviously with OSAR we're focusing on solutions for health care outside of the existing system and parallel solutions there. But there are some ideas as well that Craig is going to discuss u and as I've mentioned a long time ago. Next up is food freedom and how we can create private solutions for that. So that's going to be the first part of the of the conversation tonight. Then we're going to have Patrick Wood and Courtney Turner on for the last half of the show uh to discuss their new book which I've been

recommending and I I can't recommend enough. I've I've read the whole book. It's actually not a very long book. It's very impactful, very concise, and very uh relevant to what's going on today. The book is called The Final Betrayal: How Tecracy Destroyed America. And we're gonna have them on to discuss that book as well. [snorts] And so that's the the show for tonight. Um just recapping the last few episodes. Last week, uh I guess it was on Monday. We didn't have the show on Thursday. Uh I I announced the launch of the Technocracy Atlas, which which was great. I actually had the opportunity to announce it live on the Alex Jones show hosted by Mike Adams. So, we've had thousands and

thousands of people to the website. People are already using it and and I did a big upgrade over the weekend to uh the technocracyatlas.com. I added all of the Epstein information, all of the DOJ files, all of the House of Representative emails and information that came out last week. All of that plus much more has been added. We now have three 38.3 million words in the database. Uh it's got all of the stuff you would ever want on technocracy, Patrick Woods information, Courtney Turner, uh many others. The the book Hijacking Bitcoin is in there. the Brownstone Institute stuff is there. All of my podcast transcripts are in there.

So, we are really ratcheting this up and uh you know, and I'll talk about that shortly, but there have been some revelations on that regarding Bitcoin that are are critical for people to understand. And I want to say the whole purpose of this site, where this is going is I view this as a combination of kind of Wikipedia plus open-source Palunteer meets the ability to fund um fund people to do investigative journalism using privacy coins. Like it's it's it's going to morph into that. There's a bigger plan for this. But the whole point of it is [snorts] to expose technocracy. They know everything about us. We know nothing about them. and we have a whole bunch of people siloed into, you know, a

narrative about who's behind everything. And the only way to know who's behind everything is to put it out there in the public and to map it publicly and to rate the sources and quality of information. So, that's what we're going to do. The episode before that [clears throat] uh was on with Mike Adams. Mike was on my show and we talked about brightu.ai and uh excuse me, AI in general. >> [clears throat] >> which we're going to continue to do more interviews together on this. This was a very popular episode. We're opening up and showing people that we don't have to submit to a digital prison. That there is a private version of this. There's a decentralized version of AI that's

empowering and I use it all the time. This is how I've been building a lot of these sites. This is what Mike Adams has been doing. He he's actually launching brideon books where you can actually generate your own custom book on any topic and it's it's based on his system and I I've talked to him at length. I mean he has scoured the world for information and he already had obviously his information from natural news and all the information he's been collecting over the decades but he has invested a massive amount of time and money to collect data. And so these books that are being generated are based on actual data that he has stored on his hard drives that does factchecking based on

primary sources. This is a really big deal. So I'm not sure what the launch date is for that, but I'm going to have I'll have him on and then I'm sure I will be demonstrating it live uh before that if we can't get him on right at at the launch. [snorts] We have OSR launching. I actually realized I think I scheduled that to launch on uh Thanksgiving. It's going to launch the day after. It'll launch on uh Black Friday, but that will be just for early registrants. The official launch date is going to be January the 1st. But if you want to be one of the early people to actually test and give feedback on the system, uh you can sign up at oasara oasar.com. As always, I recommend I'm going to

continue to to do this that I'm going to continue to push that you actually watch this show through um the aarend dayshow.com as opposed to other channels. I I think it's only a matter of time before this content gets shadowbanned. And there's other there are other features on the site and a lot of other things that we're going to be able to do with the site. Uh in terms of you know, you can search all of the past episodes. I'm actually going to put a AI chatbot on there. You can listen to all of the songs. You can see memes. You can actually interact with other community members. There's a lot more functionality, but in order to preserve censorship resistance, I want people

moving to that because I I truly think that uh you know, we're not going to be very long for these for these platforms because all of these platforms are run by technocrats. [snorts] So again, tonight we're going to be talking about the final betrayal. How technocracy destroyed America. You can get that book at technocracy.news or you can get it on Amazon. So I've I've ordered a hard copy and also have have read the the Kindle version [snorts] as well. You can get MikeAdams AI at brightu.ai. You can either access it on the web or you can actually um download it to your device so that you don't even need to be connected to the internet to use it. Now this is a big

thing. So, I've written articles about this. It's part of my book. It's been part of every talk that we've done in 27 states in four countries. I've tried to tell people that Bitcoin was hijacked. I've told people that Epstein was involved. I've told people that not only was it hijacked, but the very same people that hijacked it through MIT developed all three US CBDC pilots. And we now have last week emails that have come out verifying this. I wrote a Brownstone article about it where I connected the dots, but I said, "Hey, listen. We know Epstein invested in the MIT multimedia lab at this time, but we didn't but I said I was very honest in the article. I said, "We don't have the

smoking gun, but here's this other information where Epstein was interviewed about Bitcoin, so on and so forth. We now have the smoking gun." He definitively funded MIT and funded Bitcoin core developers. This is a big deal. Uh, and on Thursday, I'm going to go through all of it, but I am sick and tired of the propaganda and the censorship. I am sick and tired of the people in the Liberty community that claim, "Oh, this is old news. Oh, this isn't a big deal." for the people that are investing their retirement savings, buying Bitcoin ETFs, thinking it's this frankly freedom money that it's not. They would like to know this

because in all of the talks that I've given, all of the podcasts that I've given there, outside of the people that maybe already listen to this and some people um like Kurt Ward and others uh who's involved with the BSV community, there are others that have been ahead of this. The general public knows nothing about this and the general public will be horrified to learn about what's going on here. So I I'm going to lay it all out. No more uh excuses. No more holding back. This has to get out. I'm already scheduling podcasts all over the world to talk about this yet again. But we have to get this out there because we have to fight technocracy. And you have

a bunch of pseudo libertarians who know better, who are lying to people about Bitcoin so that they can pump their bags and get more fiat currency. And it's disgusting. So very clear that is going to be a show you are not going to want to miss. Uh I'll skip through the rest of this so that we can jump hop right in. Let me get Craig on. Hopefully we'll have the audio issues worked out. Hey Craig, how are you? Can you hear me? Uh, I can't hear you if um [snorts] [clears throat]

>> Oh, there we go. How's that? Can you hear me now, Erin? >> That's good. Um, >> someone in the comments wouldn't mind if you if you hear any echo. I'm seeing [snorts] sounds great. We might have actually cracked the code finally. [laughter] >> Okay, good. >> So, um, let me see if I can There we go. I've got that all figured out. So, uh, so Craig and I have been working on this. This is mostly Craig who's, uh, who's put everything together for for tonight for this part about, um, agriculture. By the way, I really like this song. I think one of my favorite songs is the last song that I played before this started. I put one put one together on this whole agriculture

thing. It was uh, it's what it's got to be in my top three [snorts] at this point. Um, so anyway, we've been going back and forth. Craig hasn't seen the slides, but he put together all the information for the slides. So, this this should this should go well. Um, and actually we got we're five five minutes ahead. I figured it would take me until 6:30 to get this off. So, so we're ready to go. So, um, I've got my notes, but I've just got the slides. So, if you just, you know, we can just kind of kind of wing this. We've got all the all the info. But, um, uh, I laid the groundwork earlier. It's it's technocracy is everywhere. And when you research what's going on, it's a big

deal in food. And so we're going to walk through tonight what that's all about, how the agricultural industry works, uh how truly devastatingly bad it is, if you're not already aware of it, and then um and then Craig has some ideas for for what we might do about that. So, do you want to start here? I I've got this I'm just following your notes kind of this the agricultural machine kind of the opening gambit here. >> Yeah. Yeah. So so recently in the news we've seen the stuff going on with the beef and u so you know it's been getting a lot of attention but this has been going on for a long time. Um it's really been building since the 1960s through the 1980s and we're going to probably

get into a little bit of that and uh and it's this technocracy right? You know Patrick Wood's been talking about this for a long time. This isn't anything new. This has been building for what do we say Aaron 100 plus years would you say this technocracy wave that we're in and it feels like we're getting you know dely I don't know how far would you say we are into it Aaron I know you're saying things are moving really quickly now from from an agricultural perspective I think we're getting pretty close to right if you're looking at all these different components of technocracy and you look at them in parallel I don't know this this food thing feels pretty far along to me

especially from the cattle cattle rancher perspective and that's and that's what's been in the news. That's kind of what we want to get into at least highlight that tonight. What what are your thoughts on that Aaron? How far along do you think we are on on things and and with the food part in mind? >> Well, and with the food part in mind, I think it's a similar thing. If I if you go to techn technocracyatlas.com, we have a tab [snorts] called threat level. And what we've done there is we've analyzed what's going on globally with respect to digital IDs, digital currencies, and AI surveillance. [snorts] And you know, when you really dig into where we already are, not where

it's going, it's it's pretty bad. 60% of Americans already have Real ID, which is digital in 11 states, 20 more within the next few months. We have the Genius Act and tokenized assets. I mean, I'd argue we're 80% of the way there, plus on uh essentially what people worry about with CBDC programmable money. And I've got, you can see the breakdown that we're about 72% of the way there on AI and surveillance. And this is looking at Palanteer Open AI and uh all of the other stuff, the NSA programs that are going on. And so from what I've seen with the food, it's the it's the same thing. We're we're basically dealing with now four companies that control everything. And

[clears throat] from when you dig into this more and more and more, you find that it's already consolidated and it's already supply chain, everything's already tracked. So, I mean, I I' I'd say we're 70 80% of the way there. Well, it's funny you have those numbers 80% because it's pretty pretty we're pretty solid on the fact that those four produ those four um you know packers the the four that we're going to talk about tonight um you know as we get into this it's about 80 to 85% they have control of 80 to 85% of the market so it fits right in line with what you're talking about Aaron on these other fronts you know so no surprise there and so what does this mean it means that we have

consumers on one side, right? Purchasing beef, meat, chicken, pork, all these different things. And then we have the the cattle ranchers on the other side, okay? And they've been pressed for a long time. And you know, we'll talk about how they got there and how this whole thing evolved, but uh they're not getting fair prices even though live cattle, so we measure cattle in two different ways, right? We've got basically the way I like to think about it is we've got cattle up until the so from the time they're born until they're teenagers, let's just say, right? You have that and then usually what happens is the the the cattle usually get turned over at that point and they take them

from teenagers into adult and the whole goal at that point is to basically fatten them up, you know. So the first goal is to make sure they're healthy, you know, keep them disease-free. Then you get it to that certain point where they're teenagers and the goal is to fatten them up and a lot of farmers that's their goal is to fatten them up as quickly and get them to market as as quickly as possible. The problem is that even though we're at all-time highs on both of those forms that we look at those in terms of live cattle cattle and feeder um feeder cattle and live cattle and both of them are at all-time high prices, but they ranchers are about ready to go out of business because

they're getting pressed from every single angle. They've been under pressure for a long time and this last government shutdown actually hit them pretty hard because they need funding and a lot of the funding they get is through government associated banking. you know, government backs stop banking. And so when they when that shuts down, they don't they're at harvest time, right? So they're harvesting, they're doing the things they need to do, you know, to to end their growing season in a lot of the US and they get pressured even more. So it's really they're really under pressure and it's been hitting the media in a lot of different ways. You probably have seen something on this if

you're I would imagine, right? I don't know. Have you seen it out there too or is it is it have you seen the the getting covered or or not so much? >> Well, I've seen start to get covered. But I mean, I follow this. I follow food freedom. So, I don't know if that means it's hitting the general public public or not. I I don't know, but I know I've seen it. >> Yeah. So, and what this boils down to is we have food all of it's been high, right? We've been going through this for at least the four last so up until about 2020. We had 2019 2020 into that COVID window of time. You know, we were at 1.8 8 2% inflation and then we really skyrocketed with a lot of things like

and some of the things that got hit the hardest were food, right? All foods gone up pretty extreme, but beef is beef is high on the list. Huge huge extreme um increases in price. Same thing with frozen juices, um overall grocery bills and dining. I mean, I'm sure anybody who's been out dining, I mean, your bills, it seems to me like double what it used to be. And then obviously we've seen housing go through this, motor vehicle repair insurance, right? Some of the largest spikes in the last five years of all time. Then cigarettes obviously, you know, not something we should be probably, you know, doing too much with, but nonetheless, the price has been high on that as well. And

again, it goes back to tobacco. So again, it's still an agriculture component, right? And so the question is, do we really think that all these high prices are an accident? You know, we were So I I think of, you know, energy gasoline as an example. There were times where we were told we were running out of gasoline. There's no g we're going to run out of gas. We're going to run short on this. Right? They did this thing. They measured this thing called the Henry hub where we thought we were at this the hinge point where we were we'd maxed we'd gotten to the peak amount of oil and we were on the downward hill of this and they were saying $300 a barrel for oil. But now we

see you know these different um uh you know industry u um so uh what groups I guess the AAE right they they're in the energy space and they measure this and they say that they think we're going to be overs supplied for years right so the question is is we have every reason to believe that we can feed the world and we can feed it efficiently. Okay, it's geopolitics and and the control factors that get in the way. And some of this is economic, some of it's geopolitical, tariffs maybe a little bit. Some of this is definitely technocracy and some of this is just evil, right? To prep society and weaken them for universal basic income, I think. And so what we want to go into tonight is this

technocracy and agriculture. And technocracy can technology, okay, can be our friend. And Aaron does a nice job of always trying to differentiate these two, technology and technocracy, right? Temocracy is using technology to manage and control societies in industries by elite classes so-called technical experts. Okay? And so that's what we're talking about here tonight is using this technology to pervasively control this space. And when we see that 85% 80 to 85% of this the the meat the the cattle and beef industry is controlled by four players in the field. This is what we're talking about, right? This is it's become pervasive. All right? And so, do you have any of those clips, Aaron, by

chance, or did you >> I I I do. And before we get into this, I'm just trying to look the notes that you sent over, but just to frame this a little bit of data. U agriculture employs 19.7 million people, but only 1.4% of them actually farm. The the rest just manage the machines. John Deere collects five gigabytes of data per hour, uploading everything to corporate clouds that are that farmers don't even access. Monsanto bear controls 23% of global seeds. The system processes 9.5 billion annual an animals annually through industrial facilities. And the supporting infrastructure includes 3.4 trillion in equipment that farmers lease but don't own. And so then this farm

credit system holds 374 billion in agricultural debt keeping farmers essentially perpetually leveraged and enslaved. So um so anyway, but just to to and I'm trying trying to see your notes because I don't want to steal your thunder on this and I want to make sure we've got the >> Go ahead. No, we're in it together. There's no thunder. You you can take the thunder. [clears throat] >> I know you put this together. I don't know if I'm if I'm actually taking your stuff or not, but anyway, >> good. Run with it. No, it's good. We'll just back and forth through this whole thing. Let's just work through it together. It's perfect. Yeah. >> Good. So, I've got these three clips.

Which uh do you want me to play them all or do you want me to start with a particular one? >> I think it was the second one that I sent you. The one we It's the one about 10 pound $10 a pound uh for meat and supply constraints. It's the I think it >> look domestically we need to get our arms around it. Last time we got together we talked about how the herd is at a 70-year low, demand is at an all-time high and the net result is prices are through the roof. So there's this concept in the industry called heer retention, and it's a decision that the rancher and the feed lot operator make to hold back the female animal to build the herd as opposed to send it to market. Now, that's a double-edged

sword. We've started to see good signals that that's happening, but that means that the supply is going to continue to shrink as fewer cattle are going to market. So, we are headed for what I'm calling, Maria, the $10 a pound reality. By third quarter of 26, families are going to see $10 a pound ground beef in the grocery store. Uh so, we're in for a bit of a haul here. I don't believe we'll see price come down in any meaningful way until sometime in 2027. >> Okay. So, the question is, do we think that's an accident, Aaron? Well, [laughter] I don't think we think it's an accident. I actually just saw that somebody died from that alpha gal uh tick that this

new tick born disease where people become allergic to uh to red meat and and someone just died from that. So, that's a little bit off topic but somewhat on topic. Um I I don't think that any of this is a is a mistake at all because again part of the transfer transition to technocracy is to create you know an emergency situation where where people feel they don't have any choice but to take what it is that they offer and so so obviously you know food inflation is is one of the biggest areas of concern for everyone. >> Yeah. Well, and that's the and so you know, so the beef's caught in the headlines lately and I think what we want to do is go through and just talk a little bit

about farming in general, right? Some of this is pretty obvious, but at its core, the US agriculture is a massive system for producing food, fuel, and raw materials. Now, what people for have probably forgotten in 2008, we got into a period of time where again, a lot of it was political, but we started using a lot of food for fuel, and that became the headlines on a lot of magazines, right? is is is corn food or is it fuel? And it's really become both, right? It's they use it for ethanol and so forth. And we also use corn um well, we'll get into that, but farmers um essentially it's those three things, right? Food, fuel, and raw materials. And farmers, obviously, we have the farmers, right,

who grow the crops and raise the livestock. And then we have processors, okay, who turn the raw products into things like flour, cheese from the cows, right? or they turn into biouels and then mix it with different types of petroleum products like uh what's called arbob gasoline and that's what we get when you go to the gas pump and you see the 10% ethanol and so forth and then we get distributors distributors these are the the people who move the food across the country and the world and this is ripe for technocracy right this this whole logistical supply chain and then we have the retailers who sell it to the consumers then we get supporting systems like Aaron was talking about with John

Deere right equipment makers the seed companies, the Monsantos, the Bears, then all the researcher research that goes into this, and then there's a lot of government agencies that surround this whole space. Obviously, the USDA is the one that pops to mind. Okay? So, again, we talk about this government, we talk about, you know, big business and then the combination of those things and the technocracy. Okay? And so, we can think of this as a giant network designed to convert land, water, sunlight, and labor into reliable supplies of foods and goods. And these are all things that we talked about, right Aaron? Whether it's on the technocracy round table or wherever or

you know these natural asset corporations, all these things a technocracy would like to tokenize. >> Yeah. Would like to tokenize and and are actively tokenizing. And you know, I mean to this point as far as centralization is concerned, I mean we produce 119 billion pounds of corn, 4.1 billion bushels of soybeans and slaughter of 34 million cattle annually. But 4% of farms control 48% of the produ production value. And so it's it's grown by corporate systems that are running on, you know, a combination of algorithms, debt, and government subsidies. The government subsidies for this are $40.5 billion this year alone. So just to put all that into into perspective. [snorts]

>> Yep. And in that space, you know, we've got the US happens to be one of the biggest uh world producers and uh we a lot in South America, right? We know Ukraine, huge bread basket for Europe. And then Europe, of course, you know, we've got we get into things like corn, right? Used for livestock, feed, sweeteners, corn syrup, which, you know, obviously isn't always the best product, but it's it's used significantly across a lot of the processed foods we get. And then the ethanol, we were talking about soybeans used for feed, oil, and exports. We just went through the trade deal. The big deal was trying to sell $25 billion worth of soybean per year to to China.

And with that becomes and this stuff becomes a weapon too because um you know, China's been trying to exert a lot again, you know, it's who who is China and what is the US? What is China? But the point is it's a lot of South America has been sort of hijacked and held hostage a lot from an agricultural perspective. So this isn't just we I guess my goal in all this is that to at least open up the idea the lens of looking at this from a worldwide perspective and how people use agriculture to exert pressure again different upon different geographical regions of the world. Okay. And then we get wheat, we get rice. Those are pretty common things. beef, pork, chicken,

dairy products, cotton, specialty crops like fruits, nuts and vegetables. And then we get soft commodities, things like coffee, cocoa, orange juice. Mostly orange juice in that space is to be concentrated, you know, that comes out of Florida and so forth. Then we get sugars. And so as we look at this across the US, of course, we get the Midwest specializes in grains. The West, California dominates the fruits and vegetable space. And then the south focuses a lot on cotton, poultry, and a fair amount of livestock. You know, a lot of this livestock, there's a not to get too complicated here, but Texas does a lot of the reporting on the prices of the beef. And so, just because it's a um

it's kind of the center, you know, not necessarily, but it gets considered as the center in terms of when we go to price these things in the market. Texas becomes a big component. I'll just leave it at that. Texas is very important when they're pricing beef price when when beef is getting priced. Okay. And um and let's see, we've got this here where anything you wanted to add to that, Aaron? >> Nope. Uh it's good. >> Okay. And then we've got this next slide that how the industry works. So we've got the inputs. We have seeds, fertilizers, equipment, feed. Um then we have production. We have farms that grow crops or raise animals. Then we have the processing of it. The raw items get

cleaned, they get mil, cooked and packaged. And then obviously the distribution, right? The trucking, the rail, the ports. And a lot of this stuff is even air. You know, you think of certain things are um uh very timesensitive like fish or something, right? We forget that. We don't include that in here because but you know, there is fish harvesting and so forth and that'll come, you know, from the coastline and it'll get shipped in by air. So air becomes so we got those four forms of of transportation and then of course then we get the sales we get grocery stores, restaurants and then a lot of this stuff goes to export the export market and um and again this gets into tariffs right

um you know and and tariffs play a big role currency plays a big role in this as well right the currency conversion and so again that gets us into you know the form of currencies and the digital currency at some point um I don't know do we want to blend any of that in with this Aaron or do we want to kind of keep this on that? Is anything you want to blend in there with? You you did a little bit. Anything with the with the digital currencies or tokenization currency? [snorts] >> Um, not yet on this. I mean, I think it'd be good to do a a general overview on this, but maybe towards the end if we have I'm just I just want to make sure we don't run out of time because I know

>> Courtney and Patrick will be on soon. >> Okay. How much time do we have? So, >> We got about 45 minutes. >> Okay, good. All right. So, let's keep rolling this. So then we've got on this next slide examples of datadriven farming, right? Precision agriculture. >> I I just wanted to add one thing to that just about the from um from a techn technocracy perspective. If you look at this from going from seed to shelf, there are something like 1,847 steps through the supply chain. And it's so complex that when there was a ransomware attack on one of these big companies, JBS, in 2021, it shut down 20% of America's meat supply in 48 hours. So, just as a kind of a data

point about how how interconnected uh these things are technically and and how the supply chains are structured because this is going to be a big point when you start looking at, you know, the choke points in this entire system. when you have that, you know, when you have the market consolidated into that few players, but then you have all of these steps and then it's then it's all centrally controlled electronically, a lot of the stuff is in the cloud. Um, a lot of big risk factors there >> and we don't think and that's a good point because you don't think that agriculture would have any connection with a cyber attack or something, but it would be significantly damaged with a

cyber attack, right? >> Oh, yeah. would be completely [snorts] completely devastated. I mean again, you know, one company and then all of a sudden 20% of the entire supply of beef was shut down in 48 hours. So when people talk about the impact of these cyber attacks, I mean you could imagine how a well-coordinated attack and of course most of these guys are using Microsoft or they're using you know the same big tech companies. So, so if there's some big exploit that affects all of Microsoft or all of Oracle, I mean, it could take down not just agriculture, m multiple supply chains. >> Yep. And that's what we think of as a logistical side, but there's a lot that

goes into farming that people may not be aware of. So, a lot of the tractors are now GPS driven, and they'll they'll actually when they're harvesting or when they're planting, they'll run all night long, you know, and so they're running off a GPS, and essentially you just set the coordinates and there's not much to do. Um, and a lot of these things could even be controlled remotely. So, you get drones monitoring crop health. Um, and uh, obviously, you know, predictions on yield as well. So, a lot of the pricing that goes into the corn during the growing season is monitored by someone. Either people drive along the side of the road, they stop, they check out the

corn, they see, okay, it looks like we're going to get, and they start making estimates on how much how many bushels per whatever, you know, and same thing with these drones. They'll monitor the crop health and so forth. Then we get sensors that are telling farmers when to water. Not only that, we have remote controlled irrigation for crop circles. So, I'm sure people have seen, you know, a lot of the aerial photos of, you know, you'll be out in this desolate area somewhere out in the, you know, the Great Plains or something like that. Um, for instance, like Nebraska, and then you'll see this green circle. Well, that's a crop circle. So, they're sitting on some kind of an aquifer. So,

that aquifer, you know, has a certain water table in it. And again this is all you know resources right so again it goes back to resources and controlling the resources and the technocracy and the efficiency of all that but the key is that they'll you know they a lot of the farm ground and the pricing of it is based on what what kind of water tables in some of these areas because they don't get a lot of natural rain. Certain parts of the country don't get that but they do sit on these aquifers. So what they'll do is they'll actually run these crop circles from a distance and they can run these irrigation this irrigation circle that just goes around and waters it and that can all be controlled

remotely as well. Obviously it breaks down but generally speaking if everything's operationally correct it runs you know pretty much um human free. So then we get into algorithms that decide the best planting times. Um not so much the harvesting times, but they do measure the you know the the moisture content and the agriculture, but that's that's still pretty um I think the planning is more algorithmically driven than the actual than the harvesting. And so what this does, it shifts the farming from traditional intuition, okay, which has been going on really for 20 to 30 years into more of a measurable optimization. And again, this leads us right down the path to the technocracy.

And if you want, Erin, we could probably run this one here. Um, uh, let's let's hold off for a second. Let's run let's go through the next slide. Um, I want to run this next clip with Josh Holly talk. Um, let's wait. Yeah, let's wait for a little bit longer on that. So, this um the next thing to talk about is the supply chain coordination and how the food moves through tightly timed nationwide logistics systems. And again this is based on efficiency, resilience to shocks, weather, pandemics and then the allocation of the resources. Okay. And um and then we get into things like environmental resource management, right? Agriculture uses significance amount of land, water and energy. And

the technocratic approach looks at different these a lot of different little factors, right? Like sustainable yield models, carbon emissions, water efficiency, and soil health metrics. So, there's a lot of inputs that go into this, a lot more than I think what people really consider with this. And then, um, just to keep rolling through this, we've got, um, the government's component to this, right? So, and policy that goes into all this stuff. And so, we have government programs. And the way that this was set up initially was obviously we had homesteaders, right, that went out, they got their 40 acres, their 80 acres, whatever it may have been. And then it got passed down through generations.

And the goal was to create a very diverse ownership to keep corporations from coming in and taking over huge swasts of land and running this like a big, you know, technocratic operation. But that sort of broke down. But the way that they sort of the way that they protected it was the government backs stops farmers. So if someone has a hail damage to a crop or they have a wind damage or you know flooding or a drought or something like that, what the government steps in and then they they sort of provide insurance to them. Okay. And but if you start to if you're a single land owner and you get more than a certain amount of acreage, then you exceed the limit on the the insurance.

And this the whole concept of this is to keep it from backstopping the large corporations. So you can't stop the corporations or outside entities from owning the land right and running these operations. But what you can do is you can curtail the amount of benefits they get insurance backs stop backs stop that goes into this stuff. Okay. And the um and the what was I gonna say else about this? Um anything you wanted to add to that Aaron? any thoughts with that? >> Well, I not one step back when we were talking about resource extraction metrics. This is something that that's probably worth pointing out is is what's going on with some of the [snorts] >> approaches and technologies that are

being used. So, for instance, Iowa's lost 50% of its top soil in the last 150 years. Uh California has depleted a significant percentage of its water. You have nitrogen runoff going on that's that's created a 6,000 square mile dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico. Uh in terms of pesticide resistance now you have 250 weed species that are now resistant to herbicides and require now stronger chemicals if if you can imagine what the implications of that might be. And then you have 40% of bee colonies die annually from agricultural chemicals. And so people talk a lot about, you know, the importance of bees, but people don't talk about the fact that [snorts]

it's these agricultural chemicals that are a big part of it. So there's a lot going on here. And it's it's one of those things where you you have these corporate practices that are causing some of these problems. And then of course, what is the solution to the problem that they've created? More chemicals, more um more technology, and and more things that are actually reducing the quality of our food. One of the reasons that we have the health problems that we have is that our foods are just simply not nutrientdense anymore. And they're not nutrientdense anymore because a lot of these largecale corporate farming practices. Well, that's what I was thinking too.

You know, when you did the healthc care thing, you know, when you walk through the Rockefellers and the and the whole engine, right? It's this engine, you know, fix keep people just keep fixing people, but don't really make them healthy. And that's the thing, you know, as we as farming, you know, and some of it's just mistakes, you know, when when we had tractors, just tractors, they weren't they weren't that powerful. And so what happened is people would farmers would go out and they would till and then they would come back and then they would plant, right? And then they would come back and they would spray and then they would harvest. Now they have the combines that are super powerful and

they can just do no till. So they just roll through and they basically, you know, essentially one swoop through and they've they've prepped it and seated and they move on. So there that that creates less of the depletion of the soil like you were talking about. So that's a good thing. But then we start getting into the chemicals and we get the GMO seeds, right? You know, these gen genetically modified seeds that are wheat res that are weather resistant or you know, that's a big thing is drought resistance. I think that's probably one of the primary focal points is drought resistance. And again, this stuff's engineered in labs, right? And it's it fits right into this whole techn

technocratic movement. And um but the um but the big thing is, you know, the the like Aaron was saying, I think the the the quality of the food goes down because it's all about getting yield, right? It's all about yield. And why is that? because it's all about, you know, trying to maximize the profit and not necessarily maximize the health of the of the of the person that's consuming this food. And so, um, so that's the, so that's that part of it. And then we got through a little bit of the government, you know, the the government programs like the crop insurance and so forth. And then so just taking a big picture on this, we've got the U US agriculture industry is is therefore because of all

this highly productive, highly technological, deeply interconnected, okay, and influenced by science, economics, and policy. Okay? And so from a technocratic viewpoint, right, it's essentially a giant nationwide um operation that goes on. And so um the question though is so that's all great, right? We we go down this path of of increasing the the efficiency of farming, you know, adding technology, adding, you know, economic factors to it. How are we going to manage this? How are we going to provide ins um loans to these farmers so they can buy? So, it's very difficult anymore with land prices to actually go in and buy a farm and and get enough acres. And a lot of times, you know, it's it we

get this urban creep. So, you start creeping into the farming a lot in the farming sector. There's still a lot of farmland out there, but we are creeping into it. And it drives all this stuff drives the price of the land up. And so it's very difficult for new farmers to enter this market. And what does that do? It just leads to corporations who are more sophisticated, have bigger balance sheets to roll in and pick up some of this land. Some of this land, and you know, I live in Ohio and some of the land here is going for $25,000 an acre. So you think about like what how much yield does it take to get on corn or soybeans or wheat or something to actually make it a profitable endeavor.

And so that's where it goes back into the control, right? You can see when this stuff I feel like the farming is getting out of control from the perspective of, you know, the cost to to enter the market and then the cost to actually survive. Okay? Especially when the government isn't necessarily working on your behalf. And we'll get into that in a few minutes here with with these big four and what they've done from a lobbying standpoint, but it's a very difficult endeavor for the farmers in many different ways. Okay. And then so with that, if you want Erin, you could probably run this one on Josh Holly talking about monopolies. You see that one? >> Yeah. Yeah. Let me run that.

>> In my last remaining seconds here, Mr. Meder, let me come back to you. You've said that big is bad, which I completely agree with, and that we need to consider structural remedies. Is that true outside of the tech sector? I know you said that about tech. Is that true more broadly? >> I believe the competition concerns that have been simp most recognized in the tech sector are common in many other sectors. We need to enforce the antitrust laws evenly across the entire economy. >> Good. Let me just give you one one example here. Four companies currently control over 80% of beef processing in this country and very similarly high shares of poultry and pork. In Missouri,

just in the last year, we have had two poultry plants closed by the dominant poultry processor, Tyson Food, cancelling contracts with farmers, putting hundreds of people out of work across my state, really acting with total impunity. Why? Because they they are essentially a monopolist. Is this the kind of thing that the FTC could take action on? >> Uh, yes, with the the small caveat that uh the Department of Justice typically handles the packers, but the FTC sees sees this at the retail level as well. uh when there are a smaller number of packers, retailers pay higher prices and then consumers pay higher prices and then retailers want to merge and consolidate their own part of the supply

chain to counteract that and then it's sort of an arms race to see who can get the biggest the fastest. >> I'll end with this. Right now, beef processing is just one example, but it's a perfect example for a state like mine. The only people who win are the monopolists. You know, if you're a cattle rancher, you're not getting paid for your product. If you are a consumer at the grocery store, you're paying an arm and a leg for some hamburger and yet the consumers are paying more. The the farmers are getting paid less. Who who is really making out like a bandit here? It's the monopouists. It's the four people, the four companies that control 80% of beef processing. That is not

competition. We need more competition in this country economywide. Thank you, M. >> Okay. Do you have any comments on that, Aaron? Well, the one thing the one thing I want to say about this is I you know I think antitrust law is largely BS. The the reason that we have the problem that we have uh with these four players controlling the market is government itself. So you know for instance while the original ideas were as you said earlier on restricting the amount of agric acorage antitrust enforcement price transparency and so forth. What's happened in agriculture is the same as what has happened with big pharma and healthcare. It's a revolving door. 127 USDA officials joined aggra business

companies since 2000. So this is just like Scott Gotautle uh being the head of the FDA and then going and being on the Fizer board. The top 10% of farms receive 77% of all subsidies which is an average of 200 almost $250,000 annually. So again, why are these companies larger or why do we have such a small concentration? in part because they're being subsidized. If you actually had a market, it's unclear that you would have that kinds of kind of concentration, but literally the capture is so great that we're actually giving the larger players money and we're giving the larger players an advantage in the marketplace. Then you have the other one, which is always the case,

which crushes small business always, which is compliance costs. So food safety rules cost a small processor $100 per cow, but a large one, it only costs $10 per cow. So once again, the government is coming in and favoring the larger player or or making it impossible almost for the smaller players to exist. Big A has spent three4ers of a billion dollars on lobbying in just the past decade. So that's my my high level comment on that is just that um I I think it's funny listening to these congressmen talk about antirust and and talk about it as if the government [snorts] wasn't the one aiding and abetting the unnatural monopolies that have formed.

>> Yeah. No, I think you're spot on there. And so you know with these big four in mind we have JBS right Brazilianbased Cargill which is a private company national beef Tyson okay names most of us know national beef most people probably don't know but what they've done is they've found a way to corner the beef market okay and they've gotten a lot of the government looking either looking the other direction or subsidizing it. Okay. And like Aaron was saying you know we we've we've seen this this isn't anything new. This has been going on for a long time. These ranchers have been struggling for for really decades. And so what brought that on? Massive automation of slaughter

facilities investment in the 1960s through the 1980s. Okay. And then they standardized it as an assembly line style fabrication. Okay. Then they go to refrigerated and box beef technology. Okay. Shipping the stuff in boxes, not whole carcasses. So again, there's an efficiency component there. But here's the sit here's the here's what's going on is these innovations. They they while they lower the per unit cost, okay, and you have these these smaller okay older regional plants, they just can't keep up with this. They don't have the the pre-cut, the vacuum pack, the reduced and and a lot of that leads to reduced labor needs. Okay, so again, it's an efficiency thing and we're going to see

more and more of that, right, with this AI and the the reduction in need for this, especially robotics and things like that. So this isn't going away. this reduction in labor needs is is and when they measure the the farm numbers, you know, at the first Friday of every month, the non-farm payrolls, that's what they do. They figure the non-farm payrolls. Okay? So, there's a reason they break that out. But the but the key is for these big operators, they get transportation advantages, right? And they're able to cut out the cost and the spoilage. Okay? And so, they adopted this model early. And not only that and um this uh this box um um boxed beef uh process, okay? And that made a big

difference for them. But here's the thing is that the government looked the other way in terms of mergers and acquisitions. And so what it did is allowed them to get scale and the while the small guy has no balance sheet, has has a has a very difficult time growing a farm operation, especially as they see land costs going up, this keeps slipping away, right? There's a divergence between these corporate operations like this and the little guy. Okay, especially from the rancher perspective, you get these mergers like Tyson buys out a big operator called IBP. JBS acquires Swift, Smithfield beef and others. Cargill and National Beef consolidate multiple plants together. So

they get this scale, right? And the scale and the government looks the other way almost all the time, right? Why is that? Because they get the lobby. So, as it was said in that clip, the FTC, right, they're involved in this, but it really comes down to the DOJ. And so, we have these acts in place, right? The Sherman Antirust Act of 1890 was built to try to help help protect these, you know, the these operators. The Clayton Act of 1914 is one of them that also factors in. And then you get this one called the PSA, the Packers and the Stockyards Act of 1921. And so the lobbying has been so significant shaping the outcome, right? And allowing this this oligop this oligopoly to form,

okay, and you get these instit these groups that form, okay, like like this NCBA, AMI, these large packer coalitions and they lobby against this this Packer and Stockyards Act. And not only that, we see this in politics all the time. We see it in pharmace pharmaceuticals. We see it everywhere where people will migrate in, they'll become part of the government and then they migrate out to private industry. And it's the same kind of thing that happens in this aggra business, right? The interests help shape the legislation and the agency oversight. And as soon as they get that shape, then they're valuable out on the open market. They go out there, they know how the system works, and then they

exploit it, right? The little far the farmer, he's just been on that, he's grew up on that farm. It got handed down to him. It got handed down to his, you know, from his grandfather, from his father. And they don't have that advantage, right? they're not in there shaping legislation and agency policy, right? So, there's not only do we have an efficiency and a scalability, right, from from this and for these feed lots and for these packers, but you get the mergers and acquisitions, you get the scale, then you get the the um you know, the the that insight, right, that you get by moving in and out of private to public. Okay. And so, the question is this. Um I think we have that other one,

Aaron. We could probably run this one real quickly. We have that last clip and then we'll go in. We can start talking about some of the solution on this. >> President Trump has really got to think about it. Who put him in office? The American rancher, the rural farmer by a widespread margin voted for President Trump. And I really think he needs to listen [music] to him. >> The only price we have that's high is beef and we'll get that down. And one of the things we're thinking about doing is [music] beef from Argentina. >> Some farmers are calling the move a betrayal of the American rancher. the traders on the market use as an excuse to drive the feeder cattle board down

and live cattle board down. What that did essentially is it trickled back into the local auction markets. It took billions of dollars out of the out of the hands out of the pockets of the cow calf producers in the United States. Speaking for us personally, it cost us a couple hundred thousand in valuation. >> Looks like we've lost around $200 ahead in [music] value. That would be around a $17 billion hit. This is at a time when these producers were getting close to being profitable after after decades of losing money and losing equity. >> It's the first time they've made money in a long time. It's the first time they've been in the black. And to have that rug pulled out from under them

while they're getting their loans paid down and everything else is a pretty tough blow for them. >> One thing President [music] Trump is admitting to is the high price of beef. and he just posted, "I've asked the DOJ to immediately begin an investigation into [music] the meat packing companies who are driving up the price of beef through illicit collusion." >> Doesn't this sound like we're in 2023, 2024 [music] when Joe Biden was talking about exactly the same thing. >> I think everybody needs to understand that the cattle industry and the beef industry are two separate things and the big packers that control the beef [music] industry, they set the price really and and they are driving this

with their imports. they have all the controlling uh contracts with the Walmarts, the Safeways. So, when you get an independent producer trying to sell meat to one of those places, they can't get into that marketplace. >> They'll force a little guy to leverage themselves to [music] the hilt and then they pull the rug out from underneath them and the little guy goes broke. It's a game plan [music] we've seen before. It's game plan we'll see again. Meat packers are selling box beef higher [music] to the retailer who in turn is charging America's consumers record high prices for beef at the retail level. >> The price of cattle has absolutely nothing to do with the price of beef.

It's I'm it sounds silly, but that's exactly what it is. As long as box beef trade continues to be steady or higher, that means that the packers are moving the boxes to the retail segment, that means the retail segment is going someplace with it at a profit. And unless the consumer just totally shuts off buying it in mass, the price is going to stay pretty close to where it's at. Okay. So, any thoughts on that, Erin? Or I think I think you're muted. Maybe not. There we go. I I think that it's I think it'll be

surprising for people that that everything is is consolidated into these four companies. And it's not really so much of a statement on what what was just said there. Although in looking at this there were 5,000 small FL plants and now there are 30 mega facilities and and obviously this speaks to the whole you know ability of leverage finance to influence all this and of course when you dig into these companies who [snorts] owns the big four you're going to come up with Black Rockck Vanguard and State Street with the exception of Cargill which uh is p it's a familyowned private business but you know who knows who actually owns it, right? I like I'd be very curious. I

mean, has a sovereign wealth fund come in? We we really don't know who owns it. We think we know who owns it. And so, so in addition to this massive consolidation, um, you know, I I you know, we're not going to explore it here, but you know, you talk about things like, all right, well, if you wanted to introduce mRNA vaccines into the population, we only have four four points of of entry. It's something that's that's pretty easy to do. I I think we could I'm sure we will at some point do a whole episode on this side of things like on on the quality of meat. I know I I will tell you I can't we can't really do Costco anymore. I you know Costco used to be a you know five

years ago a place that you could go like if you were keto you could go to Costco and they actually had good products. They [snorts] actually had a pretty good selection and it was certainly a lot cheaper. And then [clears throat] my wife and I noticed that all kinds of things were happening. We we we found that we had to check the food labels of things that we already purchased because the uh the ingredients were actually evolving over time. So all of a sudden maltodextrin started to be introduced into everything which is something that actually spikes your blood sugar more than sugar. Then all of a sudden they're putting dyes into meat. Um I you know that but my wife is allergic to one

thing and they you know there there are these meat sticks and then all of a sudden they decided to put uh uh cockroach something or other in it. I mean it like >> was it cockroach? What was it? >> Carmine. All right. My bad. >> Oh from beetle. All right. Beetle in any [clears throat] event. In any event but the point is then you see these [snorts] images from Costco of worms in the meat and all kinds of other stuff. Well, that's really worrisome when you consider that when you're going to Costco or you're going to any of these places, you know, they're getting all of this sourced from these four companies. And so that's off topic, but I I do think it's a big part of the

technocratic element of this big four takeover. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, and that's the part that leads to, you know, the unhealthiness, the universal basic income, you know, the the you're gonna get, you know, you're gonna eat bugs and you're gonna like it, you know, the whole World Economic Forum deal. And so, but I think you're hitting on the right points here that the that the um you know the the point is this, the acts are there. If the government wanted to curb this, they would have already done it. You know, they're not coming to the rescue. At what point would they have come along, Aaron? 60%, 50%, 80%. They're not coming. You know what I mean? At 90, 95, I mean, when do you

think they're going to show up and actually protect this rancher? I don't think they're going to come to protect this rancher. >> They're destroying the rancher. There there's no incentive there. There's actually no part of the way that the regulatory agencies work for the small rancher to think he's going to get any help. It's it's disadvantaged by the government against the small rancher. >> Yeah. And so that is what gives us the opportunity here I think right is when things get this far to an extreme it's either about ready to implode or there's a massive opportunity. And so again, we know that human beings don't necessarily like to make change, but when things are

this stretched, again, you've got the consumer who's being stretched from an inflation standpoint. The cost of, you know, goods are going up. And then you have the rancher, okay, who's actually, you know, responsible for, you know, raising understanding how this works. you know, maybe not as technologically advanced as these, you know, these these big four and the Packers and they don't have all this, but the point is they also are more likely to not put, you know, uh, you know, different types of, um, you know, give them shots, hormone shots, right? That they again make our meat less healthy, right? And like Aaron said, that's a whole other topic. But you've got the the rancher who's willing

to bend, okay, and um, do things differently because they don't have a choice, right? They're about ready to be completely eradicated. Then you have the consumer who's sitting here saying, "Well, you know, like you mean to tell me that I could actually get lowerriced beef and and pick who it's from?" Like so the key is can we create some sort of an exchange here where you you turn this back on these these middle four you know and you say you know the you know you just basically some of there was a joke in there and I lost it but the point is [laughter] the um give them the four I guess give them the anyway so the so the point is that can we create some sort of an

exchange the problem is if the government hasn't stepped in yet they're not going to step in and defend an operation like that where the consumer bypasses, you know, these these four packers and goes straight to the rancher. Okay, but that's the key, you know, and so people say buy local, right? You go to your local rancher. The problem is that's not always efficient because you might live in a region of the country where there is no cattle. Okay, so this is a lot of this is regionally based, you know, and can that be overcome? Sure. But that's harder to overcome than just creating some sort of an exchange where you know and and a lot of these products right this the

technology again not the technocracy the technology can be our friend in this where we set up some sort of a situation where because one of the things that's missing is the processor right we went through that all the steps of the you know you've got the the person you know who who raises the cattle then you got to process it and then you got to ship it okay the big tech's already put in the shipping right the logistical supply chains are already there. Um, now could they potentially shut that down with different barcodes? Potentially, right? So, that could become an issue. But other than that, you know, all it really takes is local processors, right? That

can be validated and say, "Okay, yeah, you know, and a lot of these are probably plants that still exist. They're just, you know, empty and been dilapidated. They could be revived." The key though is can the rancher make their make their their product available and grade it you know in terms of no you know again people go for high different qualities of meat depending upon affordability and so forth but you could you could you know qualify this beef put it on some sort of an exchange and then you can offer that to the consumer who's looking so if the consumer can get higher quality beef at a lower price it's a no-brainer. Okay. And so and they can have all this choice.

It just makes sense, you know, and so it cuts out some of the store, cuts out the processors, cuts out a lot of the middle of this whole thing. The question is how would they shut this down? We saw a similar type of of a revolt, a similar type of a situation with the trucker rally. The problem with that was, you know, you get this, you get these people who are upset. They're willing to do something about it, right? They're willing to take a stand and make a change, okay, for something they believe in. And then guess what happens? They come in and they shut you down. Ultimately, what shut that down was putting controls on them from a banking perspective. Okay? And with all this

again tokenization, the fintech, all these things that are building, we have very little control unless we do something from a privacy standpoint. Okay? So that's the key. The currency, the exchange from the from the rancher to the consumer has to have a privacy a privacy com component to it. And that's exactly what you know Aeron's been talking about here with Zeno Freedom Dollar and so forth is trying to create that process in between person who makes it person who needs to consume it giving a better product to the consumer giving more margin right more margin back to the rancher where they can actually make a better product and and turning this back against the big four. So

technology, we call this disintermediation, right? The problem is it always gets played out on us, right? The disintermediation is always hits the little guy. It hardly ever hits the big guy. But we have an opportunity here because again, ultimately, if we can find each other, if the rancher can find the consumer and the consumer can find the rancher, we have a chance here to really disintermediate the system against this monopoly or oligopoly that's been formed against us. >> Yeah. [snorts] And actually one thing I want to add to to that front is you know Mike Adams does uh food testing. This is one of the things that you know as health ranger he became very popular for

and I believe he had a book called food forensics but um the USDA they they do a horrible job at testing the quality of the food. They fail at that. There are marketbased solutions for that that could be part of this. So, kind of what we're talking about with the with the healthcare marketplace is all right, here's a global marketplace of places that where you can go and you can get medical services and you can use privacy coins to pay for it and you can build in a reputation management system. And not to get too much in the weeds, but the idea here is >> because I've been playing around with how how to implement this. >> You have an escro system. Somebody's buying a product, you know, you're

buying directly from a farm or whatever. You both put money in escrow and then you know the farmer ships you the the the products which by the way you can get this from Polyface Farms. We actually just ordered a turkey from from Polyface Farms. Uh so it's a perfect example of this. I mean increasingly u it would be nice to do local but I mean as you said earlier on depending upon where you live local may not be all that great. This is one of the things that there are so many people that are focused on local and I'm kind of like actually why don't we create decentralized global marketplaces? Why why should we be just um dealing with whatever is local like like that?

There's no reason for that. We can actually have something better than we have today. It doesn't have to be we're all going back to this local thing or bust. So we order food from from Polyface Farms and they're based in Virginia and you know so you can imagine having a marketplace where it's like all right I'm getting my raw milk from you know this Amish farm or whatever in Pennsylvania I'm getting my grass-fed meat from Polyface Farms in Virginia. And then if people are using these escro systems you can actually use the escrow system itself as a way of building a reputation management system because you know that these are transactions that actually went through an escro

agreement. what you're rating is somebody who's actually engaged in a transaction that actually used a one of these escrow agreements. So, there absolutely are solutions out out there and next year is the year of rolling all of this out immediately. I I've been building to this for a while and as you and I have discussed and if you've been watching the podcast, I've been building a whole bunch of different solutions and it's all out next year. the what now what I've been saying since 2023 is that realistically the way out of all of this the number one thing that we can do because of course they're going to try to shut it down. The way to shut this down is to

stop using the dollar. The reason that they have leverage over all of these markets is because they control the issuance of the currency. As I said when I ran for president, if two to 3% of the population stop using the dollar, they're crushed because their system assumes and requires complete compliance. Their control mechanism, as you use the example of the Canadian truckers, is the money itself. So if we actually are serious about stopping the technocrats, and so many people get fatalistic about it, we could stop them tomorrow. All it would require people doing is, you know, stop paying your credit, stop paying the bank and pull your money out. I mean, this would

happen in a instantly because the banks are already at a at a an extreme level of distress. So, anyway, [snorts] sorry about that. I'm still I'm going to Florida tomorrow. I think I I mentioned this before. I' I get seasonal [snorts] depression and and I've confirmed it actually is genetic. It's a genetic thing, but and I mean I look pale. I have been spending too much time in front of the computer. So, I'm gonna I'm gonna spend a lot of time. Even the red the the blue blocker glasses are not not enough. So, I'm going to get ton of sun over next week. I'll still be doing stuff, but I'm going to actually get get some sun. Uh but in any event, this is completely doable building building this

marketplace. But the key to the success of this is people have to understand they need to act now. If we sit here and say, "Well, what if they shut this down and so we're never going to start." Understand we we've got the big four in in in beef, you know, maybe that'll become the big three, maybe that'll become the big two. This is the same thing is going to happen with the consolidation of banks. The default situation when you study any of these industries is everything is moving towards consolidation, everything is moving towards AI surveillance, everything is moving towards uh uh uh tracking. That is the default case. There's no like it's not static. There's

not Well, it is where it is right now. And of course, most people don't even aren't aware of how bad it is right now, but it's not staying static. It's moving in one direction. So, in order to stop it from moving in that direction, we have to move in a different direction. And we can do that immediately. But there's no point in being fearful about it because once you realize that the default is that you're in a digital prison, then you really don't have anything to lose. It's a matter of making people aware of truly how bad the default is and then hopefully that will get people over the fear because it's kind of like wow this is kind of a Hail Mary anyway. I need to do this or I'm

absolutely going to be trapped. [snorts] I want to add one other thing. I put a link in the comments to an article that I wrote. I'd forgotten about this article. It was one of the first articles I wrote for the Brownstone Institute. [snorts] And I [clears throat] remember there's this whole thing about everybody was talking about Claus Schwab and everything else. and I I did some digging and and found out the United States taxpayer has contributed $60 million to the WEF. Now, that may come as a surprise to a lot of you. The other thing that might be surprising to you is to find out that 56% of that money came under the State Department under Trump and only 44%

under Obama. So, the largest uh WEF contribution for all of you that think that Trump is defeating the globalists, we literally gave them over $30 million. And now, where did that money go? Here's the kicker. The US, the taxpayers funded WEF programs that centralized the control over African agriculture and global trade. So, the WEF has been key. And when you dig into the WF, the the World Bank and the IMF, what you find is that they are doing massive consolidation right now in developing nations and already trying to standardize agricultural pra practices. So the thing that we saw with whatever

the Dutch farmers and the thing that was going on in Europe, that is already the default that these multinational NOS's and so forth have actually been pushing on the developing nations. So they're going to be ahead of the curve in terms of consolidation. So anyway, I wanted to point that out because I I forgotten about that. And in the in the context of well, is this actually a global thing? It's literally a global thing. Our tax dollars have literally gone to the WEF for the purpose of centralizing agriculture in Africa. And I'm and I'm pretty sure almost no one knows anything about that. >> Yeah. Well, not to get off topic, but I was doing this some research this

weekend and I hit the absolute motherload on, you know, the the evolution of, you know, the tokenization and glo in central banks and banks and the coordination that's going on, it's just at that point, Aaron, when I saw that and I started laying out these parallel time frames and looking at there's there's no way that this is a coincidence and this is just happening. you know this isn't and so the point here with this you know I think what's great about this industry is you have very motivated groups of people and their herit you know it's it's um what's the right word you know the heritage is there right you have the you know you have the American citizen right you know

should be supporting the ranchers right the ranchers should be very willing to provide good quality to the consumers and somehow everything in between there has gotten messed you know, pretty much not everything, not maybe the grocery stores as much, but there's again, not all the processors and so forth, but a lot of the stuff in the middle, again, 80 to 85% of it in the middle has gotten messed up. And so, you know, as human beings, sometimes we need the carrot, sometimes we need the stick, you know, on ourselves rather than letting someone else put the carrot and the stick on us. And this is, you know, that this is a microcosm, I think, for where things

will go. Okay? You know, we're like we talked at the beginning, you know, the 85% down the pathway. How far are we? Are are the lights are the lights on the dashboard blinking red? And I think this is a perfect case and point where, you know, the ranchers, even though they're at record high prices, Aaron, right? Record I wish I could show the chart. Maybe um yeah, maybe I can. I think I think I can, right? I think I can show this. Let me see if I can pull this chart up because they're at record high prices and they're still ready to go out of business. Yeah. here. Let me see if I can show this. Um, there we go. So, this is the cattle market. This right here is

the um this is the live cattle market. All right. From 1970, let me see if I can blow this up just a little bit more so people can see it better. There we go. Okay. So, here we go. You know, here we are through the 1970s is purple. You know, the black is the price action, right? So, again, we got 1976 where the data picks up. Market goes sideways for a long period of time. all the way from like 19, let's say 1980. Remember we talked about the 1960 to the 1980 when you know they started making that big investment in you know that this this mainline production. Okay, getting away from the independent ranchers and really going into this whole the beginning of

the process that led to these big four. All right, that you know maybe it was the big 20 then it was the big 12 then the big eight then the big four. So we get this long period of time where the price is sideways all the way into October 2003. It bumps up just a little bit and then we get to this point like February of again post 2008 and there boy there's so much Aaron I don't know I this weekend it just rang a bell with me too some of the work I was doing post 2008 a lot of stuff changed on this tokenization front right I mean everything went into overdrive after the 2008 real estate crisis and that's what we get here right we get this big move up in the live cattle pricing all the

way up into 2014 they get a spike high comes back down goes sideways again for a period of And then here we get postco, okay, we get this the the live cattle market just goes through the roof. So they're at record highs here. The problem is they're still ready to go out of business. And that's a problem. If you can't if you can't It just tells you they're getting squeezed more and more and more. They're at record highs. They should be making a profit. They're actually more and more of them are ready to go out of business because they're under that much pressure. And this to me is a microcosm for where all this stuff is headed. No matter what space we move into this, this is the future. So we

should be motivated like Aaron said to do something about it. The problem is we just got to build the exchange where this can happen where again the consumer can find the the you know the producer and the producer can find the consumer that we do that and we keep it private and you know and again the DOJ they're not going to do anything as it is now. The department I mean Blondie is not going to do anything. The Department of Justice is doing nothing on this again. At what point should they have done something? You know, at 30%, 60%, 80%, 90%, they're not going to do anything. So, the point is we just have to go take it off their radar and just get around them because they're not going to

protect us. They're not going to protect either ends of the spectrum. They're only going to protect what's in the middle. And we and it's just obvious that that's the case, right? So, I think that this is such a this one, it's a it's just a, you know, an example of how things can go wrong, but it's also to me a good representation. It's easy to get your arms around that's front and center. It's in the news right now. Everybody's paying the higher prices, so it's something we should feel. Question is, what can we do about it? And can we spread the word once we get an opportunity to build some kind of an exchange where people can bypass this ruinous system that we're in right now?

Yep. So, I I would say to everyone, stay tuned. So, this is the first of what will inevitably be a multi-part series where we're exploring uh technocracy and agriculture as well as uh solutions. So, I think this was a good intro um good overview. And so, thank thank you for coming on uh for that. And I think we've got a great start. Uh I'm going to bring on uh Courtney and Patrick now. Uh, and um, unless you have any final final comments before before we transition over. >> No, I think we're good. Thanks, Aaron. >> Great. Awesome. Talk to you soon. >> Okay. Bye. >> Thanks. Bye. Hey, Courtney. Hey, Patrick. How are you? >> Hey. Hey. >> Hey. We We have the whole te technocracy

round table crew here. >> I know we do have we have the whole round this is this entire week is nothing but technocracy, which is great. Um, very very important. So, thank you. Thank you both for for coming out. I'm very excited about uh the opportunity to talk to you guys today and always, but but in particular, I've I've finished the book. And as [clears throat] I've said many times on every podcast since I started reading it, this is a book that everyone should go out and immediately buy. Um and and bring to the holidays and get and get some for friends and family. [clears throat] This is what you should be talking about over the holidays. uh truly because these are

these are the most important topics and this book does a phenomenal job of encapsulating you know I mean essentially 90 years of of what's been going on and building but but in a way that's succinct understandable and completely relevant based on what we're witnessing and experiencing dayto-day. So I encourage people to buy it. I've put the link in the in the comments. I certainly will send another link around. You can get it on Amazon. You can buy it at technocracy.news. So, just as a a preface, I I urge everyone to to consider buying it buying it now and and getting it as as soon as you can because it really is that that important of of a book. [snorts]

>> I appreciate I appreciate that. Uh we tried very hard to condense everything down. As Courtney will tell you, I beat her up all the time. Get it shorter. Get it shorter. So [laughter] we >> not my strong suit, but it was a good challenge. >> It was okay. It worked out because we we boiled it we boiled it down to about probably 120 pages of readable text. >> Yeah, >> that was really an incredible achievement in my opinion because we we could have waxed eloquent all over the place. >> But that's not what people want and need right now. They need short, easy to read stuff. Get to the point. Don't uh, you

know, don't overdo it. And, uh, I think we've really hit a home run at this point. [snorts] >> Yeah. >> Part of the challenge was that it's happening so fast. I I we we kept like messaging each other like, "Wait, do we need to add this? Do we need to add this?" Like, "This just happened. Wait, do we add this?" It's really It was hard to keep up. Well, well, no, as an example, I was I was when I was reading this, so there was a section in there talking about how, you know, RFK is pushing wearables as a uh as a potential solution so that so that we won't have to pay for a more expensive and appar apparently instead we're going to be using the wearables to track the

effectiveness of the government sponsored. [laughter] >> So, >> I know. >> Yeah. >> As as a programmer as a programmer, I'm sure you will appreciate I used to be in the programming business. I had a development firm in the 90s and early 2000s and we used to say the only way to stop a software developer. That's a creative guy, right? Programming is art they say uh or poetry. It really is in some ways. But the only way to start a to stop a programmer is to break his fingers. [laughter] >> Very true. That is very true. Of course, now you can just speak into it. You don't even need your fingers anymore.

>> I know. [laughter] >> That is true. >> Well, before we get into this, I should probably introduce you guys or if you guys would if you wouldn't mind introducing yourselves. I know my audience is probably already familiar with this, but but hopefully there's some new people watching. So, if you wouldn't mind giving a quick quick intro before we get into the book. >> Courtney. >> Sure. I I'm Courtney Turner. I'm the host of the Courtney Turner podcast. I am co-authored this book, The Final Betrayal, a cautionary tale. How technology destroyed America. Uh although hopefully maybe we can stop that destruction. That was the aim. And I also host the Dangerous Dreams. I just

finished that with Dr. Lee Merritt. And I have a Substack as well. So I do quite a bit of uh writing. Not as often as I'd like because brevity is not my strong suit. So they they tend to be uh tomes as far as articles go like the average is around like 10,000 something worse usually. So yeah, >> and I'm I'm the the old guy, right? I'm I started this whole mess in the first place probably uh even back in the 70s. But fast forward, I was the first guy that mentioned technocracy about 15 so plus years ago and I've been talking about technocracy ever since. I w have written three books before this one.

This is maybe maybe the the final book. I don't know. There might be one more, but um how much do you have to say to convince people that you're really on to something here? Well, we we we've been discussing that for a long time, I guess, but um I'm I'm excited to see what's happening today with all the discussion about technocracy. This is our time has come. That's all I can say. And you [clears throat] you some of your people would would probably recognize or remember the the um the documentary that was released a few weeks ago, maybe five weeks ago or or so. Uh that was the

first full-blown technocracy documentary in the world. It uh originated in Europe uh actually in the UK. Sorry, I don't want to offend anybody in the UK, but never this came out of the the UK and it today I just got a a notice from the publisher that they've just crossed 1 million views on YouTube. Yeah. Yes. >> This is amazing. Amazing uh video, but people are obviously they're getting it. They're passing it around. They're listening to it more in time, more than one time. This is amazing, amazing accomplishment. So, I'm really really glad that people are starting to perk

their ears up at this point. >> Yeah, >> that is that is very exciting. And I mean, I know when I uh found your work, I you know, I immediately it made sense of the world in a way that otherwise didn't make sense. And you know, so people are sitting around, >> oh, it's this group, it's this group, [clears throat] everybody's like bouncing back and forth and no one really has any idea what's going on. And you've you've been putting together this information for years. And once you see it, you can't unsee it. Which is why I've been >> telling everybody um you know, and early on people are like, "Technocracy, are you sure this is it?" You know, and I'm like, "Yeah, I'm not going to move." You

may find this to be uncomfortable. [snorts] Uh you may like the fact that you know Peter Teal and Elon Musk are not the heroes are not the Avengers uh in this in this story but it is what it is and it's very clear and it's very it's historical and it's been going on for almost a century and so I'm glad [snorts] people are starting to see it. But based on the title of the book itself though final betrayal u that tends to suggest that we don't have a lot of time. Isn't that the truth? >> Yes. Yes. Anyway, in past tense, so yeah, [clears throat] >> I'm really I'm really um I'm really picking up on the trend

today, even the last month, where people are openly expressing their dismay uh post the election. uh which what's a uh the election was on no November 224 now we're at November 17 and that's one year plus people are getting the idea uhoh something is really wrong here and it's not it this is not just standard uh breaking of promises that that's always been on the table you know every politician does that they they say stuff then they don't do it. Okay, this is not

that. This is this is something way beyond that. This is a master betrayal of trust all across the board. I don't care if you're a Republican or Democrat, doesn't matter. You've all been betrayed in the worst uh treacherous treacherous way that you can imagine. Um, I'll just leave it leave it at that. T Courtney can fill up fill in some blanks here. >> Yeah, I I think you know certainly this is uh like coming to you know a big reveal at this point and you know both of you talked about the past century. I I would argue these ideas go way way

back. I you know I often talk about the philosophical and kind of spiritual underpinnings of things and certainly we're we're seeing and we outlined it in the book this uh dark enlightenment philosophy is really undergirling much of this uh betrayal because they have such a strong influence on Trump the Trump administration currently but this idea of uh you know creating some sort of a a simula I I think goes back really millennia but they didn't have the technology to So, right. So, for those who aren't familiar with the term simula, this is just like a best way to think of it is like you have a strawberry which is, you know, comes from nature from God's creation right

out of the earth and it's a real thing and it's got nutrients and it's delicious. And then maybe you make strawberry juice. You know, you squeeze it out, you get some of the juice, maybe a little pulp, and you know, it's still got the strawberry in it. It's made from the real thing. Then we want to make candy. candy cells and we can, you know, abundant and but it doesn't have any strawberry in it. You might call it strawberry. It's like strawberry flavor. It's got the essence of strawberry, but it's not actually strawberry anymore. And I I see very much that this it's this idea of they they want to play God, you know, where they are the architects of reality. And uh news flash that

that's not how things work. I personally believe there is a reality and uh we don't create it. So I don't think it's going to end well but that's uh very much what we're seeing is this you know millennia old kind of battle uh between you know those who want to maintain some sort of uh creation creator distinction and respect for uh the create you know for the creation and creator and those who think that their way is better and uh in terms of what's going on with the dark enlightenment is such an assault on America uh because you know I know There's lots of complaints and certainly we've been on a very uh you know bad path for a very long time and we we

don't need to go through the evidence is quite plentiful. But this concept is such an assault on everything this country was founded upon. you know this uh this philosophy this idea that we're going to create a forprofit type of CEO monarchy and all of us have talked about this quite extensively but now it's really coming to where you can see not just the ideas but you can you can see how they're implementing it and how it's actually affecting policy and that's that's really concerning because once and because they do have the technology to do it I mean they can make uh you know Nick Lan's Gov Corp and technoplastic beings and the hypersstition all of it they can make it

a reality now they have the means to do it the complete you know he he talks about a concept called dter territorialization it comes out of deloo but it's a this idea of being completely removed from the environment and with the technology they can do that they can create this completely artificial world where as Jarvin says we become virtualized beings because that's of course the humane alternative to side. >> We we probably should talk about the the movie The Matrix a little bit because that's that was that that was the the first time that the the concept of a similacer was uh introduced to society, if you will. >> Um and that was based on Bullyard's

work. Um he didn't like the movie actually, but nevertheless it stuck. Too bad for him. [laughter] He brought it up in the first place. But in the first scene of the Matrix movie, you'll see his book, little green book, it it was it had they call it an Easter egg where it shows the title of the book. He opened the book and he p pulled out some I forget what it was a a CD or something and he gave it to some guy to walk knocking on the door. But that was that that's what set the stage for the movie, The Matrix. And um when when you consider what The Matrix was all about, it was projected. There was a reality

projected that didn't exist. And people believed that it did. They thought they were in some type of a world that existed. it. You could taste things, you could feel things, you could whatever, you know, move around, travel, but all those things did not exist. And the fact was there was another reality behind the whole thing that people never saw because it was hidden from them intentionally. This is kind of what we're dealing with today. There is a reality going on that people are being con or are convinced. I'll say they are convinced that this is the reality that's going on. They see

shadows of things that they vaguely remember something you maybe connected in the past but not really. This is how se similacra gets a hold of you >> and all of a sudden you realize you're just absolutely divorced from reality altogether. Why why do I mention this is this is important in the first place? Well, a few [clears throat] years I had my stroke, I had a lot of time to think. You might imagine you can't do anything else except fake, right? Because you can't speak, you can't move, whatever. You get lots of time to think. I understood [clears throat] that there was going to be a collapse of reality at once at some point in the future based on this concept of this

similacra taking over society and convincing people there's another reality. But there then it becomes it produces a a collapse of reality in the end. Just today I saw a a video on YouTube by a psychiatrist who didn't believe in AI psychosis until just recently when he discovered some evidence that pointed to it. And the idea of AI psychosis at this point is apparently AI is now convincing people there's another reality that's not true but there's another reality and they're getting sucked into it to the point

they're becoming psychotic. That's a when you have a break with reality. Psychosis, that's not that's not um a diagnosis, by the way. It's just a symptom. When you're psychotic, you had a break with reality. If you go to psych or a shrink, they'll tell you why that happened to you. There might be other causes, but nevertheless, psychosis is a very dangerous place to be because it's like a pilot flying through a fog bank and he doesn't have his instruments all of a sudden. It's just you don't know where you're going. You're going to hit a m mountain and you know never they'll never find you find you again. So what I discovered the the the the the mission or the the

the the trajectory of this business of psychosis break with reality. We're seeing it all over the world now, especially in America. We see it all over the landscape. And people are just saying things that are offthe-wall. They have no clue what they're talking about at at this point. There we're in such a dangerous situation. I just can't believe that it's actually come to this point, but it was probably predicted. You could have predicted it years ago where we would end up, but here we are today. >> Yeah. And this whole uh this psychosis, this breakthrough reality, right? They

they've Huxley would talk about this all the time with psychedelic experiences, right? you get that transcend transcendent kind of experience and you blur the distinction between what's real and what's not but you think that you've uh ascended and so now they're using technology to re relicate these types of experiences right Peter Shiel has his Prospera uh where it used to be called Vitalia but now uh the subsidiary is called Infinita and Vitalia interestingly enough the tagline on the website was a city where death is optional So they're doing all of these transhuman experience experiments and one of them is where they have a headset like a VR headset to give them the experience of

taking a psychedelic and so they can have these transcendent experiences and now AI is creating that for them. So they're they're not going to need it. But they've conditioned people with the the drugs and with the all of these other types of modalities. So we can live in uh Huxley's brief new world and take our soma daily, you know, just exit into the AI virtual reality. [laughter] >> Isn't it Isn't it interesting that Huxley wrote his book Brave to Brave New World in 1932, the same year that technocracy was at Columbia University. >> Yes. being created at that point crystallized I I would say crystallized they were they were writing down all the facts at that at that point in a major

university Columbia University and that that po that that book popped out I'm I've been convinced for a long long time that that was no no mistake it wasn't a coincident because um the president of Colombia spent a lot of time in the UK as well as in Europe hobnobbing with the elite Certainly he would have blabbed his idea all over Europe probably trying to sell it you know but m make himself look good u but then the whole movement got thrown out but nevertheless by the time the book came out uh that's in history now you know so that you can read this book if if anybody can get that book for two

bucks two bucks at a used bookstore get it read it short This is the heartbeat of technocracy. It's absolutely positively based on technocracy. There's no political system there. It's it's basically a controlled society system >> all the from the brainiacs on down. And you can just look at look at that where the where we're going today and say, "Well, that's did did he get it right or what?" >> And his brother uh Julian, I mean, he's definitely a technocrat. And he authored the book with HG Wells. And HG Wells was

uh uh trained by Thomas Hen Henry Huxley, who was Darwin's Bulldog or called himself Darwin's Bulldog. And uh Julian actually wrote the mission statement for UNESCO and it was literally a eugenics mission statement. >> Yep. He he created UN UNESCO and he Yeah. totally totally involved in the eugenics movement. >> Totally. >> Yeah. >> Wow. What a snake. >> Yeah. No, Julian Huxley is bad news. Yeah. I always wondered if if you know who who was driving the ship, who put together the playbook, but I I wrote about Julian Huxley quite a bit in uh in my book as well. I mean, when you look at the whole origins of the UN, I mean, this was always about global government.

This was always about moving towards technocracy. It's that it's not a conspiracy theory. It's like part of the foundational documents. And it's amazing that that that people now think it's a conspiracy theory where it's like just why don't you go look at the the the founding documents, look at what they were discussing and describing at the time. Look at uh the League of Nations before it. And um it's it is it's it's fascinating to look at just because it's there in black and white. You you don't need to speculate about it. You can use their own words, their own texts, and their their own videos. >> Yeah. Well, and the whole education system which is to breed global citizens

in a technocratic machine, right? A global technocratic machine and that is all predicated on Alice Bailey and Alice Bailey, right? She read the education in the new age, her externalization of the hierarchy. She lays out the 10-step plan for the new world order. People say that's a conspiracy theory. You can go look at it. It's right online. I mean, it's on the Lucius Trust website, right? you can go pull it off and it's pretty easy to search for like you don't even have to read all 24 books to get it like you can do a very quick search and and pull it right up. So, >> and that was what Robert Mueller predicated his world core curriculum on which is again it is a a whole

curriculum to breed these uh global citizens in a technocratic machine where they're cogs in this machine and that was predicated on the works of Alice Bailey. He wrote about it in his 2,000 ideas that became 4,000 ideas. I don't know it might have become 7,000. He visioned himself quite the he fancied himself quite the visionary but [laughter] Um, well, I was just gonna say this is a little bit off topic, but I think Philip K. Dick uh gave a really interesting talk. I think he was in France or somewhere at some point where he suggested, you know, maybe this is an artificial reality that we're in right now. Maybe we're already one layer deep into it. Um, I I Philip I went in Philip

K. Dick thing for a while and and and read all of his stuff. He's a interesting character and certainly has some uh very interesting works out there. But, uh, what and I know we've talked about this before, but it, as I'm talking to people, I I will say I always bring up Curtis Yarvin, and what I'm hearing a lot now is, I've heard his name a lot. I should really look into it. They haven't looked into it. They haven't looked into it yet, but but at least it's starting to make some kind of noise out there. But can you explain just in a real high level overview who Yarvin is and and what story he plays in all of this? >> Let let me just I'm I'm let uh Courtney

do that. But let me just tell you before November 2nd, I guarantee you nobody but nobody maybe one in 10,000 people ever heard the name Curtis Yarvin much less his philosophy called dark uh enlightenment. We saw a preview of that when Elon Musk trotted out on the stage with what what a Trump rally and had a a black hat on. He and he says had a MAGA on it. M A and he said I'm dark Gothic mega. And everybody cheered. Yay Elon. I'm you

know dark MAGA forever. They didn't have a clue what they're saying. But let pick it up here that I just I just tell you nobody knows didn't have a clue at that point what he was what was going on. Nobody. That's this is why I call it the great betrayal. And the final one, too. >> Yeah. I I Yeah. Unfortunately, I I saw a clip on CNN that kind of summed it up where they were saying how there's this guy, his name is Curtis Yarvin. He's been blogging for like over a decade, but you know, now it's really important because he has such a strong influence on the Trump administration. And I'm sitting here thinking he's been blogging since 2007. It's almost two decades. I

mean, we're about to get into 2026 here. Uh but who's counting? Apparently not you. You haven't been paying attention at all. Uh so yeah, he started blogging in 2007, uh his blog, Unqualified Reservations, and it's quite extensive. Um, he's now blogging under gray mirror on his Substack. And I don't really know what Gray Mirror, it just reminds me of Black Mirror, and I do think there's probably some sort of a connection there, but I don't know. Um, and he went under the pseudonym Menchous Mullug. And I have a couple of uh theories on why, but he's never like disclosed why he goes by Menchious Mug, but that that's his name. And [laughter] so Curtis Yarvin writing under Menches Mullbug,

this unqualified reservations. And you he's a very faright uh character, although I mean I don't really think there's anything kind of a conservative, you know, I wouldn't really even say he's a right-wing, but that that's how they classify him as very far right. And the term dark enlightenment is was actually coined by Nick Land who even less people knew about but now you know because of the Tucker episode a lot more people are familiar familiarizing themselves with Nick Land. And Nick Land's dark enlightenment book that he wrote in 2012 is pretty much a footnote to Curtis Yarvin. Uh the entire book is pretty much just quotes from Curtis Yarvin. But Nick Land has been developing these

ideas for even longer since the early 90s out of something called the CCRU, the cybernetic culture research unit which was part of the philosophy department at Warwick University. Uh he created this uh division with uh his partner uh Satie Plant who was a cyberpunk feminist and they they he really developed the concept of accelerationism. So accelerationism could kind of be summed up, it's, you know, more extensive than this, but it could be summed up with the um Mark Zuckerberg's whole philosophy of, you know, move fast and break things, and if you're not breaking things, you're not moving fast enough. That's that's pretty much their philosophy. But Nick Land had

this idea that uh capitalism is this like alien force. It's an inhuman force that's going to reach some sort of apocalyptic state. And so we need to use technology to push it to its nth degree so that we reach the apocalypse faster. A lot of these people have this very kind of apocalyptic end times. I mean you hear from Peter Teal it's a different variation but it's the same kind of concept they're uh you know using. And so he believes that we need to use capitalism sorry technology so that we can reach this apocalyptic state that capitalism is doomed to reach anyway. And uh built upon that is this dark enlightenment concept. So we're going to harness uh capitalism and we're

going to have dissolutions of a complete you know geographical nation states in favor of these kind of what they call you know Nickland calls it gov corp which is government corporations and courtesy calls them corpse which is sovereign corporations but essentially we'll have a CEO who runs things like a monarchy. He's basically going to be the king of a startup and it's going to be a for-profit kind of organization. So, we are now consumers and customers uh in this uh corporation and it's no longer a nation state. But Curtis Yarvin, yeah, he's been writing these ideas. He pretty much has a you know this uh everything is couched in this leftright dialectic

for him. It's all about the left is all about power according to him. And so we have to, you know, take the power. The right needs to usurp the power because of course the way you defeat the enemy is to become the en enemy. I never understand when people have these ideas that that's the best way to defeat them is you become them. Um but yeah, so he's uh you know he's and his whole idea is that democracy is uh you know doomed to fail and his ideas against democracy and really against the enlightenment, right? That's why it's the dark enlightenment. It's against the the foundational principles of the enlightenment. Things like egalitarianism and uh liberty and [laughter] uh you know most of the

positive things that came from the enlightenment that this country is founded upon uh he feels need to be completely uh eradicated. But he got this idea because Peter Teal set up a salon at his home and introduced him to Herman Hop. And Herman Hop is a you know anti-dem democratic uh philosopher and uh political philosopher and so most of those ideas actually came from Herman Haw but it was introduced by Peter Teal and I do think Peter Teal helped to elevate Curtis Arvin because Peter Teal invested in his urb uh which is you know his like basically network state concept through his company Ton and uh yeah then he's got this other concept I won't go through everything But I'll go through

one more. He's got this other concept that uh you know the cathedral. So you know everything is again left and right. So the left has infiltrated all the institutions. And now there's some truth to this right. You know the academia and the media and uh you know the uh entertainment industry have been captured. He feels he calls this the cathedral. And so he says that because there's nothing we can do about that. They're already captured. And so we have to move into this neoamealist kind of a society where everything is run as a SAV corp instead. So yeah, I I'll leave it at that. But [laughter] >> so I have some thoughts about this. I mean related to the fact that this is

the the final betrayal because I've I was warning people about this as I as I'm sure you guys were as well be before the election. I you know when when Musk was talking about Doge and everything else and when it comes to this betrayal so so to me I think that a lot of people bought into on the Doge side the idea that Doge is about efficiency and if Doge is going to come in and we're going to save money which is really important because at the time we only had a $ 37 trillion debt but that this is exactly what we need. you know, it's the it's us versus the deep state and the administrative state and finally people are going to come in and take care of this. And so you

mentioned Rage, uh, retire all government employees, Doge. So you have a lot of people that are conservatives, even libertarianish, I mean a libertarian wing, I guess liberty republicans call it, that I believe we're approaching this from the standpoint of this is a populist uprising, the outcome of which will be we're going to fix the bureaucracy and restore the constitution. And my belief is that that's what the promise was and that's what a lot of people signed up for which is completely different [snorts] than what Jarvin is about. And my view has been their approach is this is what we're talking about here isn't removing bureaucracy. It's replacing the

bureaucracy with technocracy. And this is an interim step. And in essence, what we're going to do is we're going to try to embolden and empower the executive as a glide path to technocracy. In my view, this is what I see is is am I off on on this perception of the betrayal? >> Nope. I think you got it pretty good. I I'll tell you what, the the glide bath has been very distinct for at least almost hundred years. And you know, when when the when the when the when the plane just isn't descending necessarily, you don't sense what's going on, but all of a sudden when it

takes a nose dive, you really start to pay attention. Do do you need to reach for the oxygen mask, for instance? We've seen this this whole thing has been in writing on the books, if you will, for decades and decades. Let me give you an example. The Marxists hated the technocrats in 1930s with a passion. I'll I'll get read you part of an article. And um they were at war with we should with each other because the technocrats had no use for them either. But technocrats didn't they didn't like anybody basically. They hate all politicians and all capitalism. That was evident. But when when the Marxists of

that day, there's a big communist movement back then in the 30s and the 40s, huge actually, bigger than technocracy. When they got wind what technocracy was all about, they flipped out and they began to write about them with passion. You can't do that. You We do not want you on the scene at all. You technocrats. Get get lost. Basically, let me let me summarize the whole argument with one short paragraph here that this this article appeared I have to set set this up there. This this article appeared um in the monthly organ of revolutionary

Marxism is the was the magazine was called the new international right and uh that was the the official publication. They wrote an article in 19 uh 1944 excuse me and um this is one of the statements that they made actually wrote two articles. I published them on when I ran across them. I p published them on technocracy news. This is what they said. Where the economic analysts notes the development of this type of chronic unemployment. Scott, that's Howard Scott, the founder of the techracy movement. Howard Scott records nothing less than the abolition of human labor.

One of the fundamental te tenants of technocracy is that labor has become non essential to society. 1934 1933 1944 really it goes on techn technology has swept away the human worker. That was when when the when the Marxists got that in their craw. They they would have put that put them out of business. They can't they couldn't exist without humans and labor, right? Well, what do we see today? Rage, for instance, replace all government

workers. Oh, yeah. How about the all the the the people have been uh just fired by the by the thousands in this last quarter? I counted something over 150,000 175,000 people right now from big companies. What's going on there? Well, the human worker and wait for the robots. [laughter] Oh gosh. Wait for the robots. They're coming. They're coming. You can hear him. >> So, so yeah. So, you're talking about this is 1934. One of the other things that was shocking to me in looking at the original paperwork on this is that a cornerstone of technocracy is the idea

that you replace the pricebased system with an energy credit system. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> So, so with what you just said about well, we'll be in a post- labor economy and we'll have an energy credit system. Let's look at what Elon Musk has said in the last 72 hours. [snorts] This is critical. The the I think the biggest resistant resistance point I get with this is that people don't want to believe that Musk is anything other than a >> hero. True. M >> Musk has stated explicitly that we're moving towards an era where we're not going to need money anymore more where the currency will be and his words were wattage. He has stated that we are going to be replacing uh labor a and we're not

going to have just universal basic income. It's going to be universal amazing >> higher income >> higher income and and now [clears throat] if you commit a crime rather than going to prison you're going to have a robot following you around. >> I I think it's critical. So this is you have to understand there these documents from the 1930s. This is an ideology and and literally Musk is paring it word for word right now. And this system doesn't appreciate individual rights or property rights or free will. That that has to be understood. >> Yes, it does. And you have to mention, of course, that Elon Musk's grandfather was the head of techracy in Canada for

all those years and late 30s and the 40s. He bailed out eventually and went to South Africa, but you know, Elon >> started the social credit party first, though. >> That's right. You're right. Yep. So, you you have to give Elon credit, I guess, to pick up his family history and move forward with it. It's nothing new. Nothing new under the sun here at all. >> Yeah. I and I do want to address the whole uh like the Marxism because the technocrats were aligned with the Nazis and this is what you see constantly, right? At the the fascists and the communists are always fighting each other. But what I'm seeing right now culturally is that's creating the

perfect storm to usher in the technocracy while they're fighting back and forth and while they're deluding people, right? They're misleading people on what's act what the real threat is. And I think, you know, they didn't necessarily use those terms, but both Kissinger and Brazinski essentially said that that's what would happen that you would have these clash of these ideologies. >> Absolutely. >> Right. >> Absolutely. Brzinski, by the Brzinski was the guy that started the trilateral commission with David Rockefeller in the first place. >> They started the new international economic order. I believe this is what we have what we have today that this is the outgrowth of that it was all

designed to be a technocratic society we have it today but Brzinski in his [clears throat] book is seminal book I might might add between two ages America's role in the technocatronic era he said basically I I'll paraphy paraphrase he basically said Marxism is a necessary stepping stone to get to the technocchronic era. That was the gist of his of his theory. He was not a Marxist at all. In fact, he hated Marxist. He hated communists as well. Um but the concept of using Marxism and his idiations as a hammer to destroy every to destroy

everything else to make way for technocracy. That makes perfect sense to him at that. He that's exactly what he said. Marxism is going to be a a necessary stepping stone to what we have today. And isn't that true? Yeah. Absolutely. >> Yeah. And in uh so I got a copy of the >> technology. Good for you. >> And on page 238 to 240 they talk about the energy uh certificates. I won't read the whole thing. Um but this uh last line he says tabulation of the information contained on the canceled energy credit certificate day by day provides a complete record of distribution or a public record oh sorry

public rate of consumption by commodity by sex by regional division by occupation by age group. With this information clearing continuously to a central headquarter, we have a case exactly analogous to the control panel of a power plant or the bridge of an ocean liner or the meter panel of a modern plane. In the case of a steam plant, the modern panel records continuously the steam pressure cons continuously the steam pressure of the boilers, the fuel record, the voltage and kilowatt output of the generators and all other similar pertinent data. It goes on but I mean they that's that's exactly what they're what they're doing today. I mean that's what all this data

collection is. Well, so so this speaks to something, you know, that also fits into this category of betrayal to me, which is that I think a lot of people uh ascribe this idea that Trump is somehow playing 5D chess and so forth. And and I don't I don't think Trump is playing 5D chess. I I don't think Trump is driving this. There was a very interesting section in the book, however, about Peter Teal. And I I I think people need to understand so to put together when you're reading something from the 1930s and now we're looking at it 90 years later and it's like wow this is actually h happen happening verbatim. This didn't happen by accident. This happened deliberately

moving a lot of chess pieces over a very extended period of time. This is this is how we got got here. So we didn't get so Trump didn't engineer this. Trump is, but Peter Teal, uh, you know, I believe, you know, is playing chess. Do you guys want to talk about that and just give people like a highle overview of this because he's somewhat behind the scenes, but man, I'll tell you, I think he may be one of the biggest players out there. >> I agree. And Courtney wrote that chapter. Hats off to your heads off to her. But tell them, Courtney, what you found out. >> Yeah. So, he is a actually a chess master. So, uh, yeah, he, uh, definitely I think if somebody's playing a 5D or

10D chess, then it's probably [clears throat] Peter Teal. And, uh, it was Pat's idea to do it as like a set of rules because he has all these rules. And I think that was genius. Um, so he he's written about, you know, like in his zero uh, what is it? Zero to one book, he talked about a lot of his various uh, ideas and his rules that he has. And so you can see them very much like he's, you know, doesn't believe in competition. Most people who don't believe in competition, you think they're thinking uh, you know, like omni win win win, but no, he means you have to dominate. He does not enter into anything unless he's going to he's sure that he's going to have a complete

monopoly over it. And uh, I mean, we see that with every company he's ever done. The I think you know, a lot of people call Trump a kingmaker. I would argue Peter Teal is a kingmaker and uh we certainly see this with Vance. I I think he put in one of the largest uh sums into any kind of a race and it was his Senate race. $15 million is a tremendous amount just for somebody's Senate race. I really think he's behind uh Curtis Yarvin. I think there's other forces behind Yarvin as well as somebody in your chat was saying that the captured left is the communist still being directed by Russia who Curtis Jarvin is working for. I actually think that there might be some truth to that. Quite

honestly, he's aligned with a lot of those uh forces. That doesn't mean that the, you know, technocracy isn't the goal. Just as you just said, Brzinski had, you know, stated, and I do think so, but it still would behoove them to have America uh fall to this kind of a system, which, you know, would give them some sort of leverage. Uh, and it's a it's aligned in in a lot of other ways. And you see this with uh now Nick Land is doing the whole circuit constantly with Alexander Dugan. I mean, if that doesn't indicate any uh alarm bells to anyone, you know, it probably should. Um but yeah, I think he's very much the architect of a lot of what we're seeing currently. You sent an interesting

article today, which I didn't have a chance to read yet, um about his mentor, because a lot of people say that to me all the time. They're like, you know, well, you think that Peter Teal is the, you know, the the king puppet master. And I don't I have a lot of, you know, speculation about who is pulling strings on him. But I always say that, you know, when you start dealing in the speculative realm, you can't cut those strings because you can't see them. So, I like to deal with things that we have personal agency. And the strings that we can see, we have a chance to possibly cut. Um, so that's really the realm I like to deal with because people are so far removed from reality anyway. And

people get caught up in a lot of salacious type of uh speculation. I'm not saying there's no merit to any of that. We can't do anything about it. It just becomes entertainment, right? So really, when you deal with the things that we can see and things that we have some agency over and Peter Teal, we we know exactly what he's doing because he's been doing it for a very long time. So yeah, >> this is part of the point of putting together the technocracy atlas is that we can start to actually map all of this because there are so many people in so many different relationships that the best way to expose it is to just >> to just diagram it because that the article that I sent over today suggests

that this guy Gilman Louie >> Yeah. has some significant pull. Uh he's he's in charge of Inqel which is the CIA venture capital department and you know so I guess he's been pretty instrumental in connecting Teal and Karp and others with with CIA and others and so it doesn't mean you know again he's not necessarily the guy pulling the strings but it is interesting to you can follow the money and you can actually start to figure out what's going on here and it doesn't tell a good story. I've never yet been in a situation where more information revealed positive intent and that oh hey this was all just some big misunderstanding. Uh it turns out that it doesn't usually break that way. [snorts]

>> Uh exactly. We need to examine this guy uh Gilman Louie very very carefully because uh he's been a sleeper if you will I think. >> Um he was the founder of Inqel. hands out, hands down. Everybody says that's that he was the the guy that actually pulled the trigger. However, there was other people involved, industrialist, big-time industrialists like uh Lheed Martin and industrial uh firms like that. So, there was something going on with inel. Why did the CIA CIA have to have a venture capital company in the first place? Well, when you you

know that basically in my opinion that was just to seed the intellectual development of technology and it did a great job but they could do it openly kind of bury it behind the you know the curtain well it's just you know business and as usual >> TIA the total information awareness right that that got shut down but that was seated by Incutel and that was a lot of beta testing uh and of course I think we saw a lot of the uh fruits of that beta testing once uh after 9/11 and they executed the Patriot Act which co-authored by Biden [laughter] and was well underway for a long time but then

they had an excuse to roll it out and that that's another that was one of the other uh things of one of the other rules was his secrecy and he's really a master of that I mean he has this dialogue which has been going on for two decades and he managed to keep it a essentially secret society. He managed to keep it under wraps for for two decades. I mean most people can't do that. That's a that's actually pretty impressive. And then he is uh you know his whole Antichrist series that he did with Acts 17 and he kept that. I mean, we don't have any video footage that leaked, but we do have a Washington Post article uh that was leaked. And there was a girl, I don't know if she's the one who leaked

it to the Washington Post, but there was a girl who got kicked out midway. Yeah. Because she was leaking. I mean, that's lots of people do things try to do things in secret. They don't have that kind of uh they're not able to keep the rains on it like that. So, there's something very interesting about that. >> He's a very secret guy, isn't he? Uh there's at least two other secret groups that he founded uh circa 2003 to 2005 who've been meeting ever since and secret and all of a sudden they get outed and then maybe they're going to move or something. But you know this all this stuff when where you have these arch industrialists meeting with officials from the government in secret

that bothers me to death. It really never has sat with me. I don't care what they're talking about. It should always be on the table for public scrutiny. We never had that chance. That's part of the This is part of the betrayal. I do believe they had to keep it secret. Whatever they're going to planning, whatever they're planning, they had to keep keep it secret enough to where we couldn't get it, you know, see in advance what was going to happen. >> I agree. I I find when they have these uh meetings, especially when they start inviting military and there's there's a lot of those. Yeah, I get very worried about that. >> Well, well, it's worrisome. But then I

mean you can start to trace and this goes to the the final betrayal aspect of this to me. You know what I've been floored by is, you know, we have Real ID, which 60% of Americans already have, and it's it's digital increased in more and more states, 12 states, I think, now 20 more uh coming soon. We have, you know, the Genius Act, which is tokenizing um fiat, so it's giving you digital programmable money. Worse than that is the Clarity Act. They're they're to tokenizing all of the other assets, including our national assets. And this is tied into p, you know, people like Howard Lutnik that are directly involved with um with the administration and are personally profiting from it. But I

think the the section of the book that I found the most fascinating just because I follow tokenization, but it's this line between the new international economic order and then what is going on globally with tokenization and then related to this is this how that ties into Sharia law. That to me was a fascinating arc that I had not I had not tracked that and that kind of blew my mind. You do you want to talk about that a bit because I I think people have no idea what the implications are here. >> I know it's >> I'll let you take that away. >> Oh boy. Yeah, I tell you what, this is a can of worms for sure in my opinion because of all of the the cozy cozy going on with President Trump and all

these countries in the Middle East like Qatar uh you know cutter is going to establish a a facility in Idaho at a military base what to train their own pilots that you know and he's he's soliciting well actually isn't um MBS in the United States even Now, uh I think he's on a tour uh to visit the president. Um that's the pre premier of Saudi Arabia with great pomp and circum circumstance, I'm sure. Uh what's going on with this cozy relationship all of a sudden? Well, most people never listen to all of the conferences going on in the mid mid east

with fintech in particular financial technologies. You know, you know what exactly what I'm talking about financial technologies that includes blockchain and other types of um uh you know, payment systems and um other technologies, transmission, etc. Well, they've the the Middle East in general has stuck their their um their flag into the fintech world because it gives them a way to process their Sharia finance system that's all assetbased. They don't allow any debt in

their country. That's not part of the economic system. No. no debt at all. So it just it just turns out that tokenization suits them just wonderfully and they they want to be the leader in fintech. They said this so many times uh over the last five six years and they're doing it right that right now. So what's going on with f fintech in America right now with this new currency system, payment system as well as assetbased system that's being erected right before our eyes uh thanks to Trump and the the tech bros. Well, it appears that the architecture that they're implementing

here is compatible with the with the architecture of the system in Saudi Arabia, for instance, in Qatar, in the UAE. Well, are they are they thinking that they're going to flip from a debt-based economic system in America and flip into an assetbased system where it will loosely model perhaps or at least be compatible with a financial system that the UAE is for instance is already proposing with fintech. This seems to me to be a natural and it would also explain why President Trump has solicited all this money from them because at some point is

our system is going to be compatible with theirs. Well, you have to remember they they represent 1.2 billion people. That's a lot of people. So that you know a major a population group that's already embedded with an assetbased economic system. What would that mean from America? I well there's lots of there's lots of um innuendos but I'll tell you what one thing really sticks in my mind is the the catchphrase that the WFDF cames up with before you'll own by 2030 you'll own nothing and you'll be happy you won't be I don't think you'll be happy but nevertheless they saw the end

of private property at some point time where the p where the private RIT property is going to be subverted into some other entity. Maybe a sovereign wealth fund like they have in Saudi Arabia and Qatar for instance. Maybe not. But you know, you see the you see these the the the the locks, the tumblers and the locks are kind of you can hear them or see them, you know, getting together and all of a sudden boom, something's going to click some at some point. >> Does seem that way. Um, then there is also I I looked up actually the secret groups that Teal has been doing and

there there's a connection here because one of them it's not very secret anymore but it's still hard to find too much information on it is Rockbridge. Yes. >> And right Rockbridge is connected to 1879 capital uh Kirk and Malik. Right. So there is a connection there. I'll just before you uh go on with that, I'll just read them uh in case people are interested. There's dialogue which we talked about. Rockbridge uh which I outlined a bit of Rockbridge also in my Phoenix conspiracy article. Uh there's perpa policy which I have actually never heard of and it's a dark money group tied to Teal that has steered thousand hundreds of thousands of dollars into political campaigns while keeping its

donor secret. According to the Kansas City Star, Teal gave a contribution with six figures to perpa policy. Um, I won't read the rest of it, but Stanford review dinners for over 30 years. He's maintained, this sounds kind of like the Edge Foundation, right? The billionaires. Yeah. Uh, he's maintained an exclusive relationship with Stanford Review, conservative student newspaper, and he co-founded it in 1987. He continues to host private dinners for the publication's editor either at his San Francisco home or upscale venues like Sundance Steakhouse in Palo Alto. And then there's more information on that. The Leo Strauss reading roof which is very interesting because uh you know

he wrote that uh Straussian moment after all it was all about 911 and it's I encourage everybody to read that. That's a pretty short essay. Uh but it really sums up his worldview. Um yeah, so he's participated in his secretive Leo Strauss reading group where he met Michael Anton, prominent conservative writer who later worked in the Trump administration. This intellectual circus focused on political philosopher Leo Strauss. And we're seeing this from so many of the Theo bros and the uh yeah the tech bros. We're seeing this Straussian influence of from like the post-liberals and postmillennial crowd uh whose ideas about esoteric writing, natural law and the tension between

Athens, Jerusalem profoundly influenced Teal's worldview. And then it goes on. I'll move on to the next one. Hereticon. I've never heard of them either. This was in 2019. Teals venture firm founders fund announced a heret her hereticon conference for dissenting thinkers and ideological outcasts to discuss topics banned from other conferences. The conference held in New Orleans 2020 and later in Miami Beach welcomed speakers banned from other conf other other tech conferences to discuss immortality, doomsday preparation, biological modification, UFOs, and drag culture. Uh then it goes on and then there's of course the antichrist lecture series. We

talked about that of course you know he was he's a member of the Bilderberg group and uh has been for a very long time. And then there's the executive branch club and it wasn't founded directly by Teal. Uh but it's a new ultra private club in Washington DC co-founded by several figures in Theel's orbit including David Saxs Chapman uh I can't last name Venfos Brothers and it's located beneath Georgetown Mall. The club offers memberships uh costing up to $500,000. Private White House dinners. Yeah. So, apparently he is a a master of influence operations is what I'm looking looking

at here. That's what it looks like to me. >> Well, I mean that's that's that's crazy. Actually going back to the the tokenization thing, I so obviously our debt based system is not working well, but the implications of tokenizing assets and then having those assets tied to Sharia law. I mean that's not hard to do because you now have digital programmable money. And what people have not been tracking is the degree to which these sovereign wealth funds, these very same sovereign wealth funds have been pushing the agenda 20 uh30 and and in fact implementing agenda 2030 >> using their sovereign wealth funds. >> Absolutely. >> So so when we talk about a betrayal, I

think that the presentation of Trump was make America great, America first, and and we're going to defeat the globalists. And the reality is I'm just just looking at this right now. I didn't hadn't been keeping track of this. He remember how he went on this big thing where he announced all these big deals. In fact, even like yesterday he was saying we're bringing trillions of dollars of investment to the United States. Well, let's look at where that money's coming from. 500 billion is project Stargate, which is, you know, OpenAI, Oracle, SoftBank, but let's not forget the UAE is a big player in that. >> Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Saudi Arabia has announced uh $600 billion in investment.

UAE commercial deals and acceleration 200 billion new plus 1.4 trillion accelerated over 12 years. Qatar 1.2 trillion dollars. [clears throat] Um uh you have um other Saudi Arabia and then you have the Trump Organization announcing a $500 million investment into Saudi Arabia real estate. I'm not seeing the America first aspect of this. This should be pretty frightening though. This these are big these are big numbers. Now by the way whether any of this will materialize or not because I remember he made a lot of announcements in his first term about this and so I went back at some point and did a search. Hey whatever happened with that? And it turns out a very small

percentage of these announced deals actually go through. But we should be worried about what is even being proposed and what the implications are and how much of this is going into AI and defense. I mean it's and and information sharing. Um so so there's that side of it. The other thing is, I mean, as it relates to Teal, the the more I dig into Palunteer, the the more um concerning it is, and I think the more oblivious people are about it. Most people think of Palunteer, yes, they're involved with defense operations and the CIA, maybe some predictive policing, but what they've done in healthcare is a complete and total takeover. And it is not just in the United States. So,

here's here's another one that I'm going to bring up. The whole presentation of this in the context of make America great is we have to defeat China and this is another big a big part of this >> but operation Stargate is these are all global technocratic companies that do business in China. So this whole idea that we have to give put all of this money in and build a centralized [laughter] AI model where we're going to win on the basis of AI when those same companies are working in Europe and with China makes no sense. This is the active betrayal in the scheme. And I put these memes up because I think it's going to happen. I think you're going to see propaganda [snorts] that says you have

to keep your thermostat up and you have to use less water and you can't mow your lawn because we have to beat the Chinese in AI. And in reality, it's benefiting these technocratic organizations. And so we need to make people aware of what's actually happening here. But Palunteer has healthcare data. They have a contract for the entire UK. So they're currently building a data 330 million pound contract to build a database on everyone in the UK and now they're marrying healthcare data in the US with military information. >> And what they're doing and I talk a lot about these click wrap agreements but when you dig into this you know everybody say well my data is protected by HIPPA. Well actually

>> oh geez >> governments and insurance companies are covered entities under HIPPA. So the people you don't want to have your data already have your data, but they're able to do these agreements where this provider has an agreement with this provider and you do two hops and now they have all of the information. And this is essentially what's going on. And Palunteer is now working on a a startup program for wearables companies where you can get access to the Palunteer data platform for free provided that you share your information. And so Palunteer is literally collecting all of the healthcare information and there is very much a plan to use this. They're already

talking about predictive modeling. They're already talking about, you know, quote precision medicine. But this is actively going on right now. And so I've made a statement that has gotten me into a lot of trouble and because I've made it publicly several times. You can either be maha or for medical freedom, but not both. What do you think about that in the context? >> I'll I'll say that. I I'll I'll join you. Absolutely. This is what's happening. It's not it's not by about by about freedom at all. It's about digital slavery. >> Yeah, I I I would absolutely agree. Well, and in the name, right? So, RFK Jr. said that part of MA is MABA, make America biotech accelerate. And I I keep

harping on this because he actually said the quiet part out loud. I mean he's talking about accelerationism and that's literally in that acronym make America biotech accelerate and this is all part of that whole wearables initiative you see explicitly said that which is part of the internet of wearables which is tied to the internet of things to the internet of everything which will eventually be tied to the internet of nanobio things I mean they've laid that out those plans pretty explicitly um and I also wanted to just say when you're talking about the whole uh the data collection that uh Palunteer is doing. So currently we already have this part of the reason why we have this whole uh

system this alipathic system where doctors are you know they look up a code and then they decide what what pill to give you is because they every everything is done by code and that is all uh stored right all that data is collected it's done through code this is where all of your medication all of your diagnosis uh and there's a company called Maximus that does a lot like all Obamacare that infrastructure was done with through Maximus. And so now they're moving this over into this uh um the the wearables where Palanteer is going to be collecting it. I have a feeling they will merge. Um and I do think that uh I think through Foundry is probably going to be the lynch point where they merge.

I that I don't know. That's my suspicion, but I do see that they will probably partner up and work together. Yeah, >> you bet. >> So, so I, so this information has to get out there. I I to me, this has been something I've been talking to a lot of medical freedom. I I feel >> I feel horrible about this because I mean, I even think back of some of the early people that were involved in the vaccine issue like 40 years ago or whatever and and they ended up the bone they were thrown was we're going to have a vaccine liability shield. So they went thinking government was going to help and they actually got a vaccine liability shield which made things a lot worse. I feel like the same thing is

going on in real time. the people that have really positive intentions that had a horrible experience either personally or with a loved one who had the intent of pushing medical freedom and thought that you know bought into this Avengers you know team is going to come and do this that now they're being complicit unknowingly >> in hyper accelerating this technocratic agenda and I I'm I've been trying to figure out how to wake people up on this because those are some of the most effective and vocal activists and right now they've been muted because they're sitting there and what they're being told is well hey listen it's you know Rome wasn't built in the day and it's

it's tough Bobb's trying to work his way through and do this and that and the other thing and it's like Bobby's trying to work his way through what meetings with Andre and Horowitz um cutting another deal with Fizer I mean so it's tough to do but I think it's imperative to do in order to to to stop the acceleration of technocracy and healthcare to make this very clear distinction about what's going on >> he and Shanahan were huge proponents of AI precision medicine and before Trump got into office I I was you know trying to sound the alarm about that that I was like I love the slogan maha I mean who could argue with make America healthy again I like started this in the medical

freedom space I mean that that's you know my entree to all of this so I was really really passionate about it and I'm all on board with getting rid of seed oils getting rid of all the pesticides and the fake food and the big pharma push like you You're never going to hear me argue against any of those initiatives. However, I I was really concerned that the real agenda that that was kind of a smoke screen because a lot of people are waking up to uh how polluted we we've become. Uh that that was kind of a smoke screen for this whole AI precision medicine push and uh now I it looks like that's exactly what's going on. >> It certainly does. Yeah, I agree. So he actually he actually said that

>> remind everybody he that those words came out of his mouth. >> Yes, you can see that the the tweet ma means ma sorry maha make America healthy again means ma make America biotech accelerate. >> That's what he said. >> And I can find the actual tweet the actual tweet and pull it up for people if you want. >> Incredible. Yeah, that that that is literally what he said. So there there's no, you know, way of dancing around it and sugarcoating it. That that is the agenda. That's what he's working on. >> So all of this talk about things that we would, you know, like is great, but sorry. Go on. Yeah. Well, let me just say what you just mentioned here that

well they say this, you know, we'll just give it a time or whatever. You know, any any tactic that causes delay is just sub subtrifuge in my opinion. I don't care what they say at this point. Forget it. Just get to get to the point of it and let's, you know, cut bait so to speak. But this incessant delaying tactic, we've seen this for years. How many things have been buried over the years? Well, we'll just wait for it. Blah blah, you know, then it disappeared and you never hear hear about it again. this this is going on all over the

health freedom movement >> and they're they're conned they're conned into think well if we can be patient now let let the system work it out no it's not not going to happen that way I'm afraid >> no and now and now there's another narrative forming and the narrative forming is that well you know you have all these great people that had great uh intentions but they're being gummed up internally I saw case uh uh Casey Means or Cali means >> you know the fact that he was delivering this message I thought was particularly humorous but he was in there saying you know there's an active plan to sabotage uh the maja movement from within at lower levels and I'm like >> he's behind that whole glucose

monitoring right >> I know um but this is now the new narrative and this is a new narative >> I'm sorry I just have to tell people this they need to know this so that glucose monitoring technology which I I'm not saying that you know in some cases it could be very helpful for diabetics and you know there are people there's a time and a place however the uh the EMF that it releases like into your stream actually uh causes insulin resistance and has a direct like inverse relationship with your cortisol. So um it's you're monitoring it but you're exacerbating exacerbating the problem at the same time. Sorry. Just Yeah. >> What a coincidence to put on the blood

glucose monitor and now you have a blood glucose problem. How convenient. [laughter] >> Um but but I think but I think that the tactic here is is you you know it's almost like the whole trust the the plan thing. I mean I I've come to this conclusion that you know once people have been fooled so many times it's it's easier to just be continue to be strung along because otherwise you have to face the fact that it was all a lie. And that's a really hard barrier for a lot of people. But I think but the problem is right now these medical freedom people are still being they're being silent. They should be the most vocal people about wearables, about MABA, about Palunteer Health. Those are the

people that should be on the front lines. Those are the people that are the real activists. Those are the people that go out and protest. Those are the people that go out and do the rounds. And they're silent. And they're continuing to be silent because they're buying the next thing. And the new thing is our good our white hats are in there but they just need more time and it's sabotage and we need their energy and they need to you know extract themselves from this uh and understand what's going on. >> I found the [clears throat] uh quote it's so the mission to make America healthy again maha includes ma make America biotech accelerate. President Trump showed in his first term what

happens when you unlock American science. Breakthroughs happen fast. Now we're going to do it again. We know the power of US biotech. It's time to let it flourish, not tie it up in red tape, misalignment, and a process that gives edge to foreign interests and large incumbents. We're clearing the path to transform great science into real cures at lower cost and better health for the American people. Life science and biotech are at the heart of that. There you have it, folks. >> So, so is the assumption here that Fizer and all of these people are just going to have a 180 and all of a sudden they're going to change their outlook on what their business model is and how and

how their how they operate. Is this the assumption that's being made? Like how any do they have any detail on the plan on how that's going to work? >> Nah. [laughter] Yeah, it's it's going to work to just shove us into the the digital goolog. >> Um >> Yeah. >> that's right. >> You know, and one of the one of the reasons that health is is so central to technocracy. It it's always been on the on the drawing board. They talked about it in the technocracy study course. You probably have if you read the book already, you have it there in your hand. >> Yes. Um you you will see the part about uh the health the the health of of the

population. They talk about it incessantly. Well, for whatever reason they look at us as the resource as part of the resources of the world. Well, you have cattle in the field, you have trees in the forest, you have oil pumping out of the ground, you have uh gold mines and that sort of all the all the resources of the world. You have the animals in the forest. Well, they look at us as just as one other resource on the planet and competition with everything else that somehow gives them the right to take over our healthcare and they're they're obsessed with it. So when they when they uh created this doctrine this it started at the United

Nations I'm sure but this whole business of one health where the ecosystem of the world is equated is equated to the health of human beings that wrapped everything in one night tidy little bundle for them. Oh, now we can man manage everything together. We can take into consider what you know consideration what viruses are floating around and the food that they put in their stomachs and um you know the the the the the things that go wrong with their immune system. All these things play in now to the health of the whole planet. This is crazy thinking, but until you

see that big picture, the the microcosm of MABA doesn't really make sense. But [snorts] these people have another overarching goal to manage everything. Everything in the world and we're just part of that. >> Yeah. >> Just lit literally everything. The land you see, every aspect of of what we do. Uh, I mean that you look at the 17 sustainable development goals. This is not a joke. It's not hyperbolic. It's not it it literally is the game plan. And um, and if you don't understand that, then things look like, well, this is just, you know, we're using technology to make things more efficient. You've got to understand the the ideology here or you're going to get

lost. I that that's why I think it's critical that people read this book but also dig deeper and start learning about technocracy and read >> technocracy news, read Courtney's Substack um be and then share that information because it's again it's critical. I see so many people going down rabbit holes. They have good intentions but they're not looking at the big picture like oh well we we stopped Fouchy so I guess everything's good. And um that's not a a an accurate assessment of of what the agenda is. And it is going so fast that [snorts] >> you know I I've actually summarized it. This last election was about technocracy versus res technocracy with resistance

versus technocracy without resistance. That was essentially what we ended up with. I don't think we thought that necessarily that was what it was going to be. But we don't have resistance now. This is the this is the problem. All of the people think that they're working within the administration to stop something that's worse than what they think they're stopping. >> Yes. Let me let me tell you, there's there's some glimmers of hope. Green shoots they call them, right? >> Yeah. >> For instance, the push back against data centers across the country is really really gaining steam. All of a sudden, the news media is starting to pick up on the the protests the and and

the actions of um uh you know, city councils ac across the country. And interestingly, there was a Democrat just recently that was elected to a statewide position in the f like in the first time in 20 years in Georgia. He was he was elected to sit on the the public utility commission and he ran on this whole whole business of accelerating energy costs and people were really complaining about him because they have a lot of them in in these data centers in Georgia. >> The public uh resonated say hey this let's get this guy Democrat we don't care if he can tap down our energy

prices. I think we're going to see a gathering storm, if you will. Probably it's going to be good for the Democrat party. Not because public rep Republicans at this point, they're so brain dead. They don't have a clue. They're just they're opening their arms for these people everywhere. Even in Mesa, Arizona, where we have a a 100% Republican city council, and these people are just shafting us to death with data centers in the middle of the desert where we need all all our water, water and energy for the people live here. They don't care a rip about us. Oh, we're just going to make all these jobs, you know,

but what a failure. So the the it looks to me that be there could be big gains in 2026 in the midterm reject uh elections for Democrats. But if they can incite the the riots, if you will against data centers, that would really put a in their plans. >> Yes, that would be great. I not not necessarily the Democrat win, but the >> I know what what what then what the the big problem will be there after after that's all gone. What what do we do with the Democrats [laughter] cycle is just going to start over again. >> At least at least there's resistance

because again like right right now there's absolutely no >> there's no resistance and there's not even an acknowledgement of of the problem. And I I you know, I've tried to talk to some Maha people and actually they they don't when presented with it, they they see the argument, but they they still are holding out this white knight hope that things are going to be different. >> Crazy. >> And and hopefully that hopefully that changes. Well, I know it's running I don't know how much time you guys have. I know we're running uh running a near an hour and a half here, but um >> um and I know we've got our round table in two days, >> but to that [laughter] >> I was gonna say, so let's say let's say

you have one final book that this isn't the final book. Let's say it's how we stopped technocracy in America. How does how does that what does that book look like? Uh boy, I I I don't know at this point. I I [clears throat] see one thing that concerns people for sure, their pocketbook and their health. >> Yeah. >> And uh you mess with those, you're going to be in trouble. And you know, you say, well, the the food budget, you know, stuff, inflation maybe. But if you really If you if you think what's going to happen on the slippery slope from here

on, capitalism is at risk of being completely wiped out at this point. That's really in the cards if if we don't don't do something to, you know, save it. Maybe we shouldn't save it. Who knows? But that at this point, it's going to be really ugly going forward. what the protest will look like. I don't know what's I really don't know it. Maybe it will come into the to the health freedom movement. Maybe it'll be these all these people who were protesting on the from these uh AI data centers that that are just raising ha havoc in their communities and stuff. I don't know. I wish I could be more

clear, but I really don't know at this point what it what it's going to take. >> Well, I I mean, I certainly don't have the crystal ball at all. And I will say I'm kind of surprised uh that they're I expect the white knight kind of mentality from some of like the Q movement. So maybe, but I don't expect that from the health freedom people. I mean, they've always been kind of anti-establishment. So suddenly the politicians are going to save them. >> A [clears throat] little strange to me. Um, but you know what I always say is that I feel like the left is really good at the messaging. So they tend to do the brainwashing. They set the narrative and then I think the right executes a lot of

the plans. And that is kind of what we're seeing. So I think a lot of people have been pacified because they've been, you know, now they think that they they don't have to do anything because they they're they bought into certain narratives and meanwhile things are marching forward quite quickly. In terms of what could be done uh you know if we saw how uh technocracy ended uh that would be great. I I really do think it's the I I'm not a fan of Margaret me, but you know, I think she was the one who said that it was a small group of never underestimate the power of a small group of individuals uh to change the world because in fact they are the only ones who ever have. And I I do really think

there is some truth to that. I think that people need to stop it locally. They need to be involved locally with their communities. And we saw with Chaz Chop, you know, they created their own sanctuary. I mean, it was a disaster. I I'm not advocating that at all, but we saw that you could create a sanctuary zone. And I think that that you can do that in reverse. We could do sanctuary zones where they they push back against technocratic encroachments. [clears throat] >> They can start with very specific kind of measures. You know, I usually talk about it in terms of like the education and farming because those are something I've been very active in in unfortunately I was active in the state

level and I realize the state is very corrupted as well. I'm not trying to discourage people from getting involved and doing whatever they can especially if they have a voice and they can have some power. Uh but I think if you created if you took over a county I mean you'd have a lot of power and the sheriff is supposed to be the highest law of the land, right? So, and that could have ripple effect because a lot of times people don't do anything. They take no action because they don't think they have any power. But if they can see change actually occur and we saw this in 2020 with the mama bears who stood up against what was happening in the schools, right? So, and they made a

difference in a lot of places. So I I think that that's really where the hope flies is uh it's got to be individuals and then ripple out to communities and maybe we can create some pockets of you not just resistance but like actual sanctuaries and >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> I had I have I've always been a fa fan of um a book written by Adam Smith called The Wealth of Nations. I I read it when I was a young financial guy in the 70s. I probably should read it again, but he [clears throat] he talked about the unseen hand of of capitalism, but just generally free market economics. >> Yep. >> The unseen hand. This the concept was

well, when people act in their self-interest, somehow things just seem to be worked out in the end. >> And uh it's sometimes it's a very gentle hand. Sometimes it's maybe a little rough, but uh we we should remember that the potential is there for this hand to turn into a fist, if you will, to knock some people out of society who don't belong there and in polic policymaking positions. I don't know if that that's not necessarily immediate hope, but I think I had some some faith in the American people that they'll pick up on the

concept, not intentionally. I'm sure they they never heard of Adam Smith in the first place. But, you know, I just making the point if they ever if they ever get in sync with this principle, the unseen hand that's been guiding us for over 200 years at this point, that fist that could or the the hand could get a grip of on something, the troublemakers, whatever, and cast them out of a society and we could be maybe normalized again. in some sense. >> Well, I would speak to the inverse of that is exactly what's happening, right? Because when you talk about how health and their pockets are what impact them, that's because it's we're wired for survival,

>> right? Things directly impact our survival. And people will say, oh, like, yeah, our selfish needs and wants and whatnot, but no, that's actually the survival of the species. [laughter] That that is how we are wired. we are wired for survival of the species. So yeah, those things actually directly impact us and when they do and they're they're exploiting that. They know that and that they know that that's why they can use those things to wield power over us because they can use the fear of those things being uh you know uh taken away from us our health and our uh financial security and stability which is our livelihood literally. So I think the reverse could

be true as well. You know, we we could use that to uh reverse and push back. >> Yeah, I agree. >> Yeah. I mean, I think we can create out of it too. We can create alternatives to health. We can create alternatives for uh you know, financial uh abundance and so forth outside of the system, which is obviously what what I advocate for. But but what I will say is just as an update, which I'm sure you guys saw this, but uh Bitcoin is not the answer. If if people and I know people are still and and I'm going to do a podcast on this on Thursday. I've tried to lay this out several times, but it is now there in black and white there. There's direct email documentation showing Jeffrey

Epstein directly funding the Bitcoin developers and the change from the narrative from Bitcoin is digital cash to digital gold. It is there in black and white. There's I wrote an article speculating. I said, "Here's what we know. Here's what we don't know, but it looks pretty suspicious. [clears throat] That's now been validated. So, there are a lot of people who think that if they just buy Bitcoin and hold on to Bitcoin that somehow they're going to survive out of this situation. And that is not an effective strategy at this point. And I and I hope more people become aware of this. So, because if we are going to try to find some solutions, let's not go down that rabbit hole because that is a

dead end. [laughter] >> I would agree indeed. Yeah. Let me let me uh just in in closing maybe make a mention of of our book and the availability of the book. I' I've been so frustrated with Amazon as a as a deliver of printed books to me. I've have another al alternative uh publisher called books by. But uh Amazon has been dragging their feet and delivering books to us as a publisher. Drives me crazy. But they they say on their website, oh, you can get it if you buy it from them. You can get it in one or two days, maybe overnight in c certain locations. And so they're kind of chis chisling away our

sales. I can't get the books in my hand. So we're actually having to drop ship a lot of books at this point when people order them from us. >> They'll get there eventually. And I think when the travel ban or the travel stuff, you know, airlines that when that normalized a little bit probably will be supplied better at that point. So if anybody buys a book from Amazon, if they they probably will get it in one or two days, believe it or not. If you got it from me, you're going to get it in four, five, six, seven days. And if you buy it from Books Buy, you'll get it eventually, but anybody in the world who wants it, they'll ship it for five

bucks. That's a steal. Tell Let me tell you, it really is. When he when he have when somebody orders a book in Canada for 2024.95, the postage is like 50 bucks. >> Crazy. >> Yeah. >> What? >> Crazy. Absolutely crazy. So, you know, I I feel pe for people outside of our country, but don't buy from me if you're outside of the country because I got to charge you a whole lot of in uh shipping. You can get delivery from books by for five bucks and apparently anywhere in the world at this point. So, >> I don't know how they do it. I don't care. Is this booksby?

Am I looking for Patrickwood? >> Books. And then forward slpatrickwood. No, no period in that. Just Patrick Wood. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, >> yeah, >> we'll try it. A lot of people are buying it. And uh some people don't, if you can't believe, if you could believe this, some people don't like Amazon. [laughter] >> Wow. [clears throat] And I say, "Go for it. Go to books buy and buy the book there." [laughter] >> But Bezos started in his garage. He's the epitome of the American dream. >> Oh, yes. >> The garage story. Guessing every time.

Yeah, >> that that DARPA garage. >> Yeah. [laughter] Actually, uh, just showed me. I didn't know this, that, uh, uh, Charlie Kirk was a part of, uh, Peter Teal's founders. He didn't make it. >> I just saw that. Yeah. >> Yeah. But yeah, he was uh, so yeah, he he's another garage or basement story. It's a garage or basement always, you know. Yeah, one of those. >> Whatever. [laughter] >> That's like the That's like the roach uh the roach motel. The roaches check out but they or check in but they don't check out sort of thing >> in divert in reverse. >> Yes. >> Great. Courtney, do you have any final final words?

>> H I don't know. I think we pretty much covered it, but uh yeah, I hope people will get the book and uh we really did try very hard to make it very brief, very accessible, but there's tons of sources. So that's actually why the book is longer than it is. So there's no shortage of leads for people if they want to go and do further. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Absolutely. That that we put in so many footnotes you can't believe it. Almost in some cases more pages of footnotes than text. [laughter] But oh well >> definitely definitely at the end. But uh yeah no I recommend it. I can't re recommend it you know more highly. Get it as soon as you can get it before the holidays. Um, >> yes,

>> you said I ordered a physical copy and uh also a Kindle version and it's critical. It's very important, very timely and and frankly you should get it before the holidays so that you can talk about it over the holidays. >> Yeah. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. Positively. Yep. I I totally agree. And I have to say for for the first two weeks that we've been selling the book when it hit the market two weeks ago to today, matter of fact, >> um [clears throat] I'm surprised that there have been so many people who have bought more than one book for me because I'm I'm the only place you can get the book at a discount. If you buy two or four, five, 10, whatever, I have a steep discount

for like wholesalers even. And so people have been buying multiple books right out of the gate. That's surprising me because appeal I think people are so anxious that you see the title, they see the picture, they they got to have at least two or three copies in their hand to give away to other people. I'm so pleased that people are picking up on this in that way. >> Absolutely. And I I think uh I do not subscribe to that mindset that you should not discuss politics or religion or taboo discussions and uh family gatherings. I and I think this is just the topic [laughter] to spark some discussion. >> Oh yes.

>> I think that was a technocrat scop to get people to not talk about these things. [laughter] >> Exactly. >> Oh yeah. >> Well well thank you both. And oh so so what are we so we have the technocracy roundt uh Wednesday at 6 p.m. Eastern, correct? >> Yes. 6 Eastern. So, >> yeah. And we are going to discuss uh evolutionary AI and machine consciousness and uh where they're going with all of that. And uh I think that ties into, you know, you had touched on uh the some people think we're already in a singularity. I personally don't believe that, but I think they want to convince us that because I think it's very much part of the SCOP >> because that's where they want to go.

They want to put us in the singularity. [clears throat] >> Yeah. Well, I'm very much looking forward to that and uh again, thank you both. Um and we'll be streaming this out, but you can find uh the uh technocracy round table on Courtney's uh channels and hopefully we'll be all streaming it as well, but but definitely check out Courtney and follow Courtney and Patrick regardless. Um I'll put the links in the in the notes as well. >> Again, thank you very much. Thank you both and look forward to seeing you guys in a couple days. I'll be in I'm actually gonna get some sun and >> you know try to revert some of this damage of getting being in front of computers all the time.

>> Yes. Well, thank thank you for all you've done as well. You you really laid into this. Put your shoulder to it. I re really appreciate everything everything you've done. It's amazing. >> Likewise. >> Thank you. That means a lot. Uh great. Well, have a great night. Talk to you soon. All right. >> See you later. >> [music] [music] >> I walk past the man where the cold numbers ring. Past the market [music] of

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