S2E5: The Unfinished War: Crypto Freedom Fighters vs. Government Lawfare

In nineteen ten on Jekyll Isle Bankers schemed with cunning guile A private club, a secret pact To control the nation's cash The Federal Reserve A banker's dream Of a monopoly on the money stream Unconstitutional from the start Tearing the nation's wealth apart Woodrow Wilson signed the bill Handing bankers the power to fill Their coffers with the people's dough While the economy ebbed and flowed The Federal Reserve, a banker's dream A monopoly

on the money stream Unconstitutional from the start Tearing the nation's wealth apart Woodrow Wilson signed the bill, handing bankers the power to fill their coffers with the people's dough while the economy of death flowed. The Federal Reserve, a banker's dream of a monopoly on the market. Unconstitutional from the start Tearing the nation's wealth apart Inflation, depression,

cycles of boom and bust All controlled by the money trust No accountability Transactions stay concealed The truth about the Fed remains unrevealed A banker's dream, a monopoly on the money stream Unconstitutional from the start Tearing the nation's wealth apart

Inflation, depression, cycles of boom and bust. All controlled by the money trust. No accountability. Transactions stay concealed. The truth about the Fed remains unrevealed. Trade flows should park the four wheels. No accountability, transactions stay concealed The truth about the Fed remains unrevealed The Federal Reserve, a banker's dream A monopoly on the money stream

Unconstitutional from the start Tearing the nation's wealth apart Tearing the nations most apart The bankers dream They've been feeding us these lies Since the day that we were born That we need them to

protect us That we can't survive alone But baby, that's a fallacy A chain around my mind Been blinded by their promises While freedom's been denied Critical thinking broke these chains Opened up my eyes to see the game No need for rulers telling me my worth I'm taking back the power that is mine by birth,

yeah This fallacious belief The truth has set me free at last. Government ain't nothing but a cycle. Heading toward tyranny.

They militarize the police force. Preaching about democracy, but fuck that noise I see the truth now Their power's built on fear Voluntary systems show Another way is here I'm taking back the power

that is mine by birth This fallacious belief in their control Has been weighing down my goddamn soul But I'm free at last, free at last Breaking out of their system fast No, no taxation stealing what's mine Good evening.

Welcome to The Aaron Day Show, Season Two, Episode Five. It's great to be back. We did a couple of episodes last week. I actually had some interviews. I encourage you to take a look at those. I interviewed Jeff Hahn and Josh Stileman and walked through Jeff's new book and also talked for a couple of hours about technocracy. And so today I'm actually going to get caught up. As you probably know, I was gone for a couple of months. And so I wanted to kind of walk through what's happened and kind of what I've learned over the last few months as a general update. And then I wanted to talk about stopping Biden's crypto lawfare, which is still very much ongoing. So For tonight, the plan is,

and let me just fix the layout here, is to go through an update of the last two months. I do want to talk about the Bitcoin strategic reserve. I will probably do a whole podcast on the Bitcoin strategic reserve because there is certainly a lot to talk about. However, I do want to touch on some of the incorrect information and propaganda, frankly, that Cynthia Loomis and others announced today regarding the Bitcoin Strategic Reserve. So just to get that out there, I think in a more elaborate podcast, I'll actually walk through why it's a bad idea, not only morally, but it's actually it's not a good idea as an investment from a technical perspective.

I'm going to go into an overview of the excuse me, Biden Crypto Lawfare And then I'm gonna touch on using privacy coins as an alternative, just at a high level. And again, there'll be more podcasts down the line. And as I walk through this, you'll see, actually there's more urgency now for adoption than there was even before the election, because we're actually seeing CBDC adoption accelerating around the world. And we're seeing stable coin adoption accelerating, which is actually pretty dangerous. And so I'm going to talk about that on Thursday. I do want to talk about some of the events that I have coming up. I am going to be at ETH Dam

May the ninth through the eleventh in Amsterdam. So I encourage you to check that out. I'm very excited about this event. It's not actually even Ethereum focused. I'm not even entirely sure why. That's the name. But I know that there's a huge libertarian and cap cap that bent to this organization and event. And I know there are going to be a lot of people there talking about privacy coins. I'm going to be speaking. I know Zeno is going to have a huge presence. There are going to be a lot of others. Joel Valenzuela, Paul Pui from Edge Wallet. And so some great people. I'm looking forward to that event. And then I am going to do a full episode on Porkfest. I did an episode with Doug

Tooman a couple of weeks back when I was in Mexico discussing what we're doing here. We're actually going to hold Mineratopia essentially within Porkfest. Monerotopia is an event And, you know, that's not even just dedicated to Monero. it's it's kind of an it's a big Actually, tent event with a lot of emphasis on privacy coins in general and privacy coin adoption. And so. I had a great time at that event in Mexico City last November. And the opportunity came up to sponsor the largest tent at Porkfest. And so that's what we're doing. So I'm co-sponsoring that with Doug. And so it's going to be a full week of content and

talks and really hands-on use of multiple cryptocurrencies and also a lot of content on privacy outside of just cryptocurrency. And probably even hopefully some discussions on network states and some really interesting dialogue. But there will probably be two thousand to three thousand people at this event. thought about coming to Porkfest, And so if you've ever I think this is the year. If you've gone to Porkfest and you had a bad experience, you're like, oh, I'm not going to do this again. It's changed. And, you know, this event has really evolved. And this started out with a small group of people by a campfire. And now it's like two to three thousand people with families and kids and

everything else with hundreds and hundreds of talks on different topics, people buying and selling things using alternative currencies. I mean, almost no one uses fiat at this event I mean if they are it's cash it's cash only but it's mostly alternative currencies and I will say that last year privacy coins were definitely at the top of the list I'd say privacy coins and goldbacks are also very uh very popular so that is june the sixteenth through the twenty second I will do a full podcast on that but you might want to go to porkfest.com and actually buy your tickets now and figure out whether you want to do the campsite on the facility or we actually get an Airbnb.

So there are other options. I mean, if you don't like the camping aspect, I'm not a huge camping kind of guy. So we get a big Airbnb and the family's there and everything else. And then we pop into the event for the full day and then head over to the Airbnb. So there are a lot of different options, but I do encourage you to check that out now because I will tell you there's a lot of excitement about this event, and I think that it's going to be probably on the high side of attendance and capable of completely selling out. On Thursday, so the regular time for this, and I know this has been all over the place. So the original game plan was for the Air and Day

show to be on Thursdays at eight p.m. Eastern time. Because I was gone so long and literally I was in places where I didn't even have Internet access. I was going to actually do the podcast while traveling, but I actually did not have a reliable enough Internet connection. So I do want to get caught up. So I'm going to do two podcasts a week until I get caught up. And so I'm going to do two this week. I did two last week. I'm actually going to be on vacation next week, but then I'm going to continue traveling. doing them at a rate of about two per week until we get caught up. Usually, so the primary time slot is still going to be Thursday at eight PM Eastern time. The alternate date,

if I'm trying to play catch up is Tuesday at eight PM Eastern time. Although last week we did one at twelve thirty. So it varies a little bit. if I have a guest and I prefer to I mean, do these live to the extent that it's possible to get Q&A and to get engagement. I'd actually rather do them live. I mean, I guess there will be some situations where that's not possible, but so far I've done every one of these podcasts live and I would like to continue to do that. And so that's what I'm looking at is Tuesday and Thursday at eight PM is the general time. But this podcast on Thursday is extremely important and it actually feeds in on a lot of what I'm going to be talking about in terms of

the overview of these events that I've been doing for the last two months. After the election, people thought that the CBDC issue was completely dead. And I was actually at an event where they actually did a poll of the people in the audience. And they basically said, well, if Kamala Harris wins, what do you think the chances are of us getting a CBDC? And almost everybody, you were assigning probabilities. Almost everybody was at a ninety five percent to one hundred percent. Yes. And then it was asked, well, if Trump is it wins the election, are we going to get CBDCs? And almost everybody was, no, we're not going to get CBDCs. And it turns out that the problem is that we aren't

strictly getting CBDCs, but we are getting all of the negative aspects of CBDCs through what are called stable coins. And so these are basically digital tokens that will be issued by commercial banks like Bank of America and JPMorgan Chase, that have all the programmability of the CBDC. So they're going to be programmable, they're going to be trackable, they're going to be censorable, and they're going to be issued by the same people who own the Federal Reserve. So the big misconception on all of this, and I know I talked about this in an article and in a previous podcast, is that The enemy isn't the central bank. Now, the central bank is an enemy. The central bank is a useless,

unnecessary third party that basically just takes a cut of every financial transaction and then manipulates the money supply so that they can steal people's physical assets by creating this hunger game scenario. I'm not advocating for the Federal Reserve, but what I'm saying is that Everything related to violations of our privacy and tracking and everything that all of the dystopian things that we talk about with CBDCs. We already have that today. And that wasn't implemented by the Federal Reserve. That was those were bills and laws that were passed by Congress. So all of the surveillance happened. So if you got rid of the Federal Reserve. but you actually had a situation where the

government was printing money directly, you would still have all of the tyranny aspects. You just wouldn't be giving a cut to this third party in the middle. So stable coins are a huge risk. And the problem is that Biden had his executive order, which we'll talk about tonight, that authorized the US to pursue a CBDC and then authorized the crackdown on crypto. he was really good at the crackdown part. Well, He was very good at the lawfare part, but he was not good at the implementing of CBDC. And I think as we're seeing with Doge, and it's probably not a surprise, government is pretty incompetent and the Biden administration was beyond incompetent. So they may have had the

intent to implement the CBDC, but the capacity wasn't there. The problem is stablecoins are an equal threat to CBDCs. But now that we have an AI and crypto czar with ties to venture capital and we have an administration and a whole bunch of other people on board, they are capable of implementing this. So in reality, we're in a much worse situation than we were prior to the election, simply because the new regime actually has the competence to implement a backdoor CBDC in the form of stablecoins. And what's worse about it is people are complacent. because they don't even think that there's a threat. So my job and everything that I've been fighting for for the last two years has

just become a hundred times more difficult. And it's very frustrating, frankly, because we're like walking into a buzzsaw and I'm like having to go back and reeducate people. I have people congratulating me for I mean, helping to get Trump to come out and get CBDCs. And I'm like, wow, OK, well, it's not we're actually in a worse off situation. So I really encourage you to tune in. on Thursday, I am writing an article, I may not have the article done before the the podcast, but I'll have it shortly lays all this out. thereafter that kind of And we really do need to share this information. I want to walk through some of the events that I've

done over the past several months. So we went to Miami, we went to the Wagme event, which they billed as the biggest blockchain event in America. Honestly, I thought there were going to be like, ten thousand people there. There were probably a few hundred people. And this has been a long running event. this event has been going on for I mean, more than a decade and was like the original, it was originally called like the North American Bitcoin conference or something, but now it's basically just business development people. There's no tie to crypto as a tool to stop central bank digital tyranny. It was literally two of the talks were from people from Tether. People were celebrating the

fact that Larry Fink was at Davos talking about tokenizing assets. And so I walked away from it with a really kind of unsettled feeling just about kind of the passion definitely has been lost. And I'm not saying that it's necessarily just that event. This is actually a a a bigger issue which is you know this the original the very first event that they had had people like uh antonopolis roger veer spoke eric vorhees it was like oh geez and it was you know we're gonna change the world and we're gonna stop tyranny we're gonna stop war and now it's just you know um uh really a low level of engagement and and detachment from the promise of the technology so I mean I'm glad I went I only

spoke for fifteen minutes and my my talk was entirely about roger and uh in his situation I went to the event right after that also in Miami called The Counterparty, which I think Tatiana Moroz, who put that together, is a terrific person. Unfortunately, she got rugged. The venue actually changed on her twice. within twenty four hours of the event. So so I went about as well as could be expected, basically having to get a backup of a backup. And so I got to see a lot of a lot of friends and folks that, you know, are are kind of hardcore OGs in the space. But she did have some misfires on the on the

logistics for that. Then I went to Morelia, Mexico, for the people's reset. This was Derek Brose and his partner Miriam's event, which was a was a great event. It was a fascinating event over five days that actually covered. I mean, the real big theme of this is kind of exit and build. So it wasn't just focused on cryptocurrency. It was permaculture. It was a lot of, you know, people. There was like a day focused on spiritual practices. There was a lot of music. And and so it was a it was a great event. um, great overall vibe and a, and a group of people from all over the world that are really looking to, uh, exit and build in a variety of ways, not just crypto and then went to, uh,

and Archipelago in Mexico, which was which was interesting. It's kind of a competing event in a way with the people's reset. And there was more politics and stuff. And I'm not going to go through it here, but I was kind of surprised But a lot of similar themes. by some of it. There's there's a there was just one day that was dedicated to crypto. A lot of other things that were focused on spirituality and and other other practices. That's definitely an interesting event in Archipelago. I don't even know how to describe it. But reflecting on all of this, I will say that I mean, I've come to, I'm not going to say I've not come to any conclusions, because I'm always learning, excuse me,

and thinking and researching, processing new information and traveling all over the place. But Those four events were just part of, I don't even know how many events I've done, maybe twenty in the last year. And there are different groups. I mean, I could be at a Brownstone event that's got a lot of people tied to Maha. And then, you know, then there's an anarchist event and then there's Mineratopia. And I am more sure than ever that voting isn't the way. And I think we're starting to see what's happening with the political process right now and a lot of weird things. I think a lot of what people's hopes were pinned to are people that thought there were white knights.

That's not coming through. But there's another component to this. And this is a personal preference, but it seems like in a lot of these situations, people are having a doom scenario to it where, you know, everything is going to go to hell and the whole concentration on this is to go into survival mode. So it's like, you know, we have to live in our small community. Everybody's got to learn how to farm. I mean, I'd like to put it as, you know, people are like, well, yeah, we're going to have to learn how to do these survival based skills. And it's almost like that. The new goal is to have a lifestyle that's some kind of cross between the Amish and Little House on the Prairie.

And I don't have anything against that if that's what people want to do. But I feel like if we're putting our attention towards survival, then we're going to find ourselves in situations where those are the kinds of experiences we bring to us. I am not anti-technology. I'm anti-technocracy. And I actually came to an interesting... realization the other day because I've talked about elon musk a lot and you know I'm very concerned about him from the standpoint of technocracy because he's literally explicitly stated that he wants mars to be a technocracy he's actually published this three times his grandfather was the head of the technocracy party in canada and as a refresher technocracy is a

is a organizational structure where elites pick scientists and engineers and the scientists and engineers make decisions for everybody. And the idea behind it is that we're going to go extinct unless we apply technology to the human condition. And the best way to do that is through the best scientists and engineers. And what I realized that I don't like about this, I actually like a lot of aspects. I like the fact that he thinks from first principles. And in fact, I think what he's doing with And I've heard him talk about this, Doge is great. that for him, he doesn't like to just go by, here's what the vibe is, or here's what somebody else is saying. He likes to understand

things from their core essence. And he believes that physics is the best place to go. More importantly, kind of Newtonian physics. And this is where I have the big disagreement, which is that if you believe in Newtonian physics Yes, and that physics is primary and you believe in materialism, then the natural consequence of that is going to be you're going to come up with technocracy. And I would have agreed with that worldview six years ago. I don't now. And I've come to learn more about kind of thinking that consciousness is primary and our ability to exercise free will is primary. And there's a lot more about energy and other states than than just materialism.

and mechanics and Newtonian physics. And so the problem is, you know, if he's pushing that worldview, the technocracy worldview doesn't really allow for other things to coexist with it. So the idea is if we're moving to Mars and living in a technocracy where we're not making decisions, can scientists and engineers are making it for us kind of in a pre-programmed way? You can think of, you know, social credit system and all that other stuff. that's the negation of free will. Well, to me, However, I think we can still have AI, we can still have all of this great technology, and it can be done in a decentralized way where we're actually expanding our free will.

And when I say expanding free will, meaning we're opening up new choices, we're opening up new possibilities in our experience where we actually get to make more decisions as opposed to fewer decisions. And so, um, so the reason I got off on this, this arc is that I really, I think I'm, I am more of an optimist and I'm, you know, I'm pro technology, anti-technocracy, but I do think that we can create, and particularly if we think about it, um, I mean, we can create a future that is, it doesn't have to be a survival subsistence living. We can actually have an improved, uh, state of living and still also expand free will. And so that's kind of where I've come out on this.

And I think that, I mean, it's a mind shift because I go to a lot of these people are kind of in the same place. conferences and a lot of we better learn how to grow It's like, well, our own food and do all this stuff. I look at some of this robot technology. It's like, It's like, okay, well, I can have robots. You could do best practices for farming and have a robot do it. It's not Like to me, I guess the again, spending ninety percent of my time on subsistence probably is not a I in my personal opinion, it's not my where I want to be spending my time. I don't I'm not judging anybody that wants to do that if they want to do that. But if you are doing that because you think we're

going to be in a state of survival. about a situation where and you're not thinking we're living in a time of creation, you might want to just reconsider that. You may still come out in the same place, and that's fine. So I am going to continue to explore network states and to continue to advocate for decentralized technology. And I'm really not... I am very optimistic about the future, but I'm not optimistic at all about existing organizational structures, government, or technocracy. So with that said, I did update the... Daylight Freedom website. I encourage you to take a look at this. This is really rebalanced towards the main areas that I'm focusing on or we're focusing on for this year,

which is we are going to be doing events again. And again, as I'll talk about on Thursday, The need for the adoption of privacy coins and tokens is actually greater than it was before the election. And but there's been a lot the scenes development with of stuff going on behind Zeno and wallets and point of sale systems. And so I want that development work to be completed before I do the workshops, because otherwise the workshops are too complicated. And, you know, people aren't going to walk away. They're going to walk away with more questions than answers. And I really want to figure out a way to onboard merchants and customers in a very simple way so that

it actually has some stickiness to it. And so you can also see on the website, you know, we've updated all of the podcasts there. And if you look at this, this podcast that you're listening to right now, You're probably listening to Excuse me. it on X because this is the only place where I get any kind of traffic. I do encourage you, by the way, to like and share. if you're watching this, My traffic has been suppressed. Usually I get two to three thousand live listeners to this. It's at three fifty one, three fifty two right now. I mean, I've been severely, severely suppressed. My traffic, even on X, is down ninety percent. And I'm not entirely sure why, although I can guess.

So with that said, this podcast is, X is where most of the traffic comes from, but it's also on LinkedIn, it's on Rumble, Twitch, YouTube, and then the podcast is on Spotify and Apple Music and I think Amazon or two or three others. You can figure out and see all the channels if you click on podcast. And so this website will have all of the podcasts, everything going on with all of my interviews, all of the events. And then I've added this end Biden lawfare section, which is what we're going to talk about tonight. And so we'll get to that in a minute. But I wanted a centralized place on the website where you can track

the cases the main cases that are going on and and you know figure out where to go to help the various people that are ongoing victims of biden lawfare so so this is completely reworked and I would love your feedback hopefully this is an easier way to access this information I do want to talk a little bit about the bitcoin strategic reserve again I'll do a full article and everything on this but I mean you know this this cynthia lumis is a She's like an Ayn Rand villain character. And I call her out on this. she is kind of the Nancy Pelosi of I mean, the Republican Party. she's out here pushing bills to use I mean, taxpayer money to buy her investment.

And now, I mean, we're looking at, I put this up. These are real things that have happened. These are two new people. Alabama Senator Tommy Tuberville and West Virginia Senator Jim Justice have now put laser eyes in. And I mean, if that isn't a market top signal, I mean, I don't know what is. I don't even know if these people know how to use a computer. I mean, we're actually getting to the point where it's almost absurd what's going on now. And I know how it's happened. And that doesn't make it any less frustrating. And it actually does relate to what's going on with Roger, which is which is unfortunate, and I'll explain how that ties in. But if you want to see,

so Loomis just released today, reintroduced her Bitcoin Act bill. And, you know, it's one of these, again, every time you hear the bill name, it probably does the opposite. But the Bitcoin Act is the boosting innovation technology and competitiveness through optimized investment nationwide. act so so there you go so there's the propaganda associated with this it's been reintroduced she introduced it before I think after the bitcoin conference last year and it establishes a u.s strategic bitcoin reserve to strengthen the dollar combat inflation and reduce the national debt so what what they're doing is she's

authorizing the us treasury to purchase one million bitcoins which is about five percent of the total supply over five years. One million Bitcoin over five years. And then to hold it for a minimum of twenty years. With any sales restricted to reducing the national debt. So I've used this analogy before. This would be like Nancy Pelosi doing a press conference and saying, hey, listen, you're going to buy my four or one K. The U.S. government's going to buy my four or one K or spend a trillion dollars or whatever the amount ends up being, which would be more than that. based on how this works. Because if the price of Bitcoin, in fact, goes up, then that's more and more money

that they're going to be spending. It's not a million at today's price. It's a million at whatever the price is, which may actually tank. Who knows? But the point is to then hold it for twenty years. So Cynthia Loomis herself has a half a million to a million dollars worth of Bitcoin. And just think about the Having the government implications here. buy and hold for twenty years. I mean, this is a an obscene conflict of interest. And by the way, the same is true. And it applies to Trump. It applies to I mean, people complain about insider trading and everything else. I don't know how you how you Like, castigate people for doing that and then actually think that this is somehow

morally superior or different in any way, shape or form. Now, The plan for funding this is it uses the existing Federal Reserve profits. So the first six billion every year from twenty twenty five to twenty twenty nine and the revaluation of gold certificates. And what they say is, well, there's no new taxpayer funds required. Well, that's a little bit of a. That's bullshit. so basically that six billion I mean, dollars a year that would Reserve would be used for other purposes. come in from the Federal It could be used for retiring debt. money is depending upon I would I mean, argue Bitcoin isn't, but money is still theoretically fungible. So the idea that it's not caught, you know,

yes, there's no new tax, but you're using money that would be used for something else to purchase Bitcoin. So it is absolutely not fungible. a neutral situation at all. There's a decentralized network of secure vaults States managed by the throughout the United Treasury with provisions for forks and airdrops. Requires quarterly reports, independent proof of reserve audits, allows states to voluntarily store Bitcoin in segregated accounts within the reserve. It affirms the rights of individuals to maintain self-custody of their Bitcoin. I mean, okay, we'll see. questions around that, There are a whole bunch of but that's a different

story for a different day. And it has seven co-sponsors. And so again, so just blatantly, it's a lie. So again, the idea that there's no impact to taxpayers is false. It's using... Federal Reserve profits and gold value. So that's gold that could have been sold or used for any other purpose. it's completely fraudulent So it's just, and it's just more semantics. And so, you know, again, the gold already belongs to everyone. So spending it on Bitcoin using public savings is not free cash at all. So it's all spin, it's all a word trick. And, you know, the issue that I have with this

which I will go into when I do a full analysis on this is, first of all, should be buying any assets. I don't think the government So it's not a question of, I just don't like Bitcoin and they should be buying this. We have thirty six trillion dollars debt. Why don't we reduce spending and give people their money back and let people decide how to invest? That is the fundamental argument that I have. But if you don't like that approach, if your approach is, you know, you think somehow from a collectivist perspective, we should be doing this for our national interest. Bitcoin is not what Loomis and Tommy Tuberville and the other guy think it is. And, you know, we've talked about it being

hijacked before. They're going to have to increase the supply of Bitcoin. And so the whole premise of this, Michael Saylor and everybody else is the hardest asset, known demand, limited supply. They will have to increase the supply. They're already priming this by having that HBO documentary that tried to make out that this guy, Peter Todd with Satoshi, they did this because Peter Todd has been a strong advocate for increasing the supply. BlackRock and others already have as every ETF has the as a risk factor and a footnote that they may increase the supply. They will have to increase the supply because there aren't enough transactions on the network to generate fees for miners to continue

to secure the network. Miners right now, the whole point of the system from the beginning was to be peer to peer digital cash. And the idea was you would be doing millions of transactions every ten minutes. And these would be low fee transactions, but high volume. And you would have miners competing to process large volumes of transactions. Because it was hijacked by essentially technocrats, they artificially capped it like a cap and trade system, kept the block small. So now it's slow and expensive. And so people just aren't using it. And so what that means is every four years, the reward, the block reward that miners get decreases by fifty percent. The whole purpose of the block reward is.

was to provide an initial incentive for miners to mine because there there wasn't any transaction volume. So in other words, it's a financial incentive to build the security of the network. But the long term viability of the network was based on large volumes of transactions. Well, we are now sixteen years into this and we do not have large volumes of transactions. We've had more transactions in in twenty seventeen. In fact, a couple of weeks ago, the mempool was completely clear. Like it's it's actually in many ways it's decreasing in volume so what that means is the next time there's a having in that block reward decreases it's going to put a real uh strain on miners because you have these

miners now who are large corporations who are investing hundreds of millions of dollars in in miners and in asics to do these math calculations to mine for these block rewards by the way most of them now have funding blackrock keeps on buying larger and larger percentages of these large mining operations. Mining operations now are actually engaging in KYC AML. So at the moment that they actually mine the Bitcoin and they get the block reward, they're actually tracking that with the government. That's a separate conversation for another day. But the bottom line is they're going to have to increase that twenty one million supply, million supply. increasing that twenty one If you are like

Cynthia Loomis and these other people who are saying, well, gold is bad because there's not a fixed supply of gold. Bitcoin is better. That argument is actually completely fallacious. And that is actually going to change. And that changes the entire analysis of whether or not this is a good idea so I'll break down I mean there's even more to why it's not a good idea but that is probably the biggest point which is this you'll see people posting online here's you know eight billion people there will only be twenty one million bitcoin that is not true a couple of lines of code and for those who say well people wouldn't agree to change it people already agreed to change it and to

hijack it from being peer-to-peer digital cash to slow and expensive digital gold and with BlackRock and others buying up more and more of it. And with people like Michael Saylor and others, people will go along based on whatever they think will drive the fiat price. That is clearly what's going on. And propaganda and censorship has been proven to be a good effective way to get the network to make decisions that are not in its own best interest. So that's a preview of that. move into this Biden Crypto Lawfare. Now I wanna talk, And I want to say that my focus on this is it's like this is the Venn diagram of interest for me. I want to focus specifically on projects that are at the

intersection of crypto and liberty. There are hundreds, if not thousands of companies that are affected by Biden lawfare. I mean, it includes debanking and a whole variety of other things. But there's there's this narrow area that I think deserves. attention because, and as I've talked about in other podcasts and articles, you know, we've proven that the Liberty community has been explicitly targeted by the DOJ going back to twenty nineteen, where in Stephen Neriop's case, the DOJ and the FBI arrested him and threatened him with an extortion lawsuit unless he gave up the dirt on a number of people that were on a list. And the people that were on this list, it was all

a list of people that are at the intersection of liberty and crypto. So it was Patrick Byrne and Roger Ver and Bruce Fenton and Naomi Brockwell and, and, and others. I mean, it was Caitlin long. It was, it was literally, they were on a fishing expedition, leveraging using an extortion case to dig up dirt on people. And so these are the cases that are there is no scam. These are cases where people are, have been arrested for writing code. or have had IRS cases fabricated. It was these people and organizations were shut down to make way for CBDCs. So in other words, the specific reason for the targeting was to remove the competition.

I wrote an article about this. It's a pretty lengthy article. You can go to the Brownstone Institute, brownstone.org and search for it. It's called The Unfinished War on Crypto. I kind of outline all of this in detail to give the high level overview. in terms of like that you know the number of cases and and the extent of the biden lawfare and then I drill into some of the specific cases that I'm going to talk about here today and I hope that this article gets more attention because um these people need help and I you know I I don't want to be I don't want to sound black pilled but I got to be honest I'm not enjoying the developments that are going on with the with the Trump administration.

Biden or excuse me, And I'll explain what I mean by that. But what I would like to see happen is for Trump to do for the victims of Biden lawfare what he did for the J-six prisoners, which was he was originally going to view them and review the cases on a case-by-case basis. And he ultimately decided, and this was his quote, fuck it, release them all. And this is what needs to happen with the Biden lawfare stuff as well. Trump rescinded Biden's executive one, four, zero, six, seven. But he didn't rescind the effects. He didn't rescind the lawfare. And in a way, this actually creates almost a worse situation because what you have is a situation where the OGs,

the people that created, shoulders all of this the giants on whose crypto revolution rests, Those people are still facing jail sentences and have had their businesses and lives turned upside down. So you have new people able to flourish and do new things. And the OGs remain strangled by by lawfare. And just to show you the the extent of of what's gone on here, you can see that, you know, the SEC has gone after over one hundred and twenty seven people. Well over half of those were companies. after Biden signed the executive order. The DOJ in particular has been going after software privacy solutions like engineers that develop Samurai and Tornado Cash. The IRS has been going after

people like Roger Ver and they have been implementing AI and really ramping up in this area. It is nice to know that they're going to be cutting or excuse me, employees and not hiring fifty percent of the the additional eighty seven thousand. But that doesn't mean that there aren't people still dramatically feeling the the impacts of this. You have FDIC, which is the debanking. You have the Treasury Department that went after exchanges. They went after Binance, which the four billion dollar settlement was the largest in U.S. Treasury history. And then you have the CFTC, which went after DeFi. And so this is so Biden was effective at this. He was not effective at

rolling out of CBDC, but they really did a good job of shutting down bank accounts, making it hard to buy crypto, not providing any clear guidance on anything, shutting down all innovation and then in particular going after developers of privacy software. If you dig into this, though, what we are seeing is the. there is movement on some of this. So a lot of the SEC cases have been dropped. So a lot of the exchanges and companies that were involved in raising money and so forth, those cases have been dropped, not all of them. And this is where I'm actually a bit concerned,

which is if you look at this list, you'll see that Coinbase, you know, their suit was dropped. Well, They donated twenty five million dollars to the fair shake pack and a million dollars to Trump's inaugural fund Kraken. Their case was dropped early this month. A million dollars from the co-founder, a million dollars to the inaugural fund. Richard Hart's the only outlier here, but his case was arguably outside the United States. So he actually won. won his case, which good for him. And by the way, I'm glad all of these people have won their cases. Don't by any means think that I think that these were legitimate cases. These should have all been dropped. But what I'm saying is,

if you look at this, the Uniswap, Their case was dropped. Well, they donated eleven million dollars to the fair shake pack. Gemini, their case was dropped. And this is the Winklevoss twins. Two million dollars from the founders. One million dollars to the inaugural fund. Justin's son, Tron, his case was just dropped. He put seventy five million dollars into World Liberty Financial, which benefits Trump. That's Trump's family cryptocurrency thing. So so it's not like with Jay Sixers where it's we're unilaterally going to drop everything. So far, the SEC cases that have been dropped is it's on a pay to play basis. So there's no principle involved. It's just, hey, you donate a lot of money,

your case goes away. Joe Rhodes from Dragon Chain, his case has not been dropped yet. And in fact, in some of these cases, again, it's the intersection of crypto and liberty. One of the people I feel the worst for is Jeremy Kaufman. I mean, here's a guy, he actually wrote a tweet. related to the fact that Justin Sun had announced that the case against him was dropped. And he's like, you know, you know, I used to believe in the rule of law, silly me, and he fought his case and went you know, through all of this. he said it cost him at least And, you know, ten million dollars. But, you know, had he stuck around or. had he raised more money and bought off a politician, he might be in a different

situation right now. And in his case, he actually had a utility token and his offering was a threat because it offered a decentralized version of YouTube. And the crackdown against him happened right during COVID when the government was implementing a censorship industrial complex and didn't want any information coming out about public health. So what do you do about this situation? So Jeremy gets to be one of these guys who has entire life ruined. How do you make up for that? And what are we going to do with these other SEC cases, again, at the intersection of Liberty and crypto? So, you know, I'm focusing these are the big cases where I think even more than the civil

cases are the criminal cases, because these are cases where, yes, the civil cases are bad. I mean, people losing their livelihood or, you know, losing out on potentially billions of dollars of financial opportunity. That is that is horrible. But these are people that are facing a loss of personal freedom. And in some cases, like in the case of Roger, actually facing a life sentence. And this is why I've been so adamant about Roger's case. I think it is actually objectively the most egregious example of lawfare. In the entirety of all of the crypto cases, because you have a guy who actually paid his taxes, hired officials, hired experts, tried to comply with the law,

has evidence of trying to comply with the law. And he was detained in Spain in a country where his friend died fighting extradition under mysterious circumstances. So I believe he was terrorized. In that case, fabricated the case to the grand jury. I think the government They lied about or concealed a lot of evidence that shows that, in fact, he was trying to comply with the He wasn't engaged in fraud at all. tax laws. It's there in black and white. And they raided his lawyer's offices with armed IRS agents. And now they're trying to claim he is a fugitive. for fighting extradition. And there is nothing illegal. He is just exercising his legal rights to fight extradition.

And the state is now trying to call him a fugitive and to try to shut down his case where he's actually put forward a motion to dismiss. So this is a serious and egregious case. Ian Freeman, still serving eight years, In prison, he's going through an appeal process, which I'll talk about. Roman Storm is facing forty five years. He's free on bail right now. But his case is coming up in the Southern District of New York in April. I mean, I got to tell you, I wouldn't want to be in the Southern District of New York. I don't like I don't like the chances there. And he's looking at forty five years. Well, what did he do? He developed software. that people part of tornado

cash that people, you know, voluntarily run on their computer to make financial transactions private, which, by the way, is part of the Fourth Amendment. Right. Like there's nothing. Right. Not only did he just write code that people voluntarily chose to run, but arguably the code that he wrote is, you know, should be celebrated. based on the Constitution itself, not punished. You have similar situations with these samurai wallet developers that are looking at up to twenty years. Alexey Pertsev, who's serving time in a Dutch prison, Roman Sterling and off looking at twelve and a half years. And so, again, it's it's in these criminal cases. The common thing, you can see the common theme.

Roger was the most effective person on the planet at promoting the use of cryptocurrencies as an alternative to central bank currencies, digital or otherwise. Whether it's Bitcoin Jesus getting people to adopt Bitcoin, investing in Bitcoin exchanges, investing in Bitcoin technology, investing in other cryptocurrencies, XRP, now privacy coins. He's very effective. So the state under Biden was cracking down on crypto rid of the competition because they needed to get that's why roger is at the top of the list this is why ian's at the top of the list roger learned about bitcoin from ian ian helped empower and enable businesses all over new hampshire to take cryptocurrency and atms and

all of the rest of the people on this list developed privacy technologies which is a critical threat, which is why I've become so passionate about privacy coins. The way to defeat central bank currencies and central bank digital currencies is privacy coins. That's why these people are on this list. But no one is doing anything regarding their cases. There may be things going on behind the scenes, but the DOJ, And the AG, they are not doing any of the kinds of things that the SEC is doing. They're not putting these cases on pause. There's no slowdown in the situation. These criminal cases are continuing to go on. And in my opinion,

it's beyond demoralizing. There is no golden age of America. There is no America leading in crypto. There is no America leading in Bitcoin if these people are facing jail sentences. And if we live in a country where now you can run a meme coin Ponzi free and clear, whereas if you develop privacy software, you might look at forty five years. We're not going to have a very functioning system with with rules that are set up like this. And so. This is why I'm focusing on these guys. And if you haven't already, I mean, if you've been listening to this podcast, go to freerogernow.org or scan this QR code, and that will take you to freerogernow.org,

which there's an open letter that you can sign in support of Roger that does help. It does matter to get names and to build momentum. It's important that the state sees that We're not going to go away. We're going to continue to make noise on this. And the longer this goes on, the more embarrassed they're going to be, particularly based on the facts surrounding these cases. I mean, this this should end up being career ending prosecutions because it's malicious prosecution. with gross violations of constitutional rights. So we have got to stay on top of this. And so I encourage you to go And you can also find out more details. to Free Roger now. I was talking about his

motion to dismiss and everything. All of the information is on there. And to that end, there is a hearing coming up. on May the twelfth at one thirty p.m. in L.A. at the U.S. District Court in California on his case, his motion to dismiss. So I think it's important. I'm going to go to this. I'm actually have to fly from Amsterdam. It's going to be a bit of a stretch, but I'm going to go. And I encourage other people to go. I went to Ian's hearing, which I'll talk about in a little bit. It matters. It does matter. It's important for the state to see, as I said, that we're not going away and that we are here and that we're going to continue to bring awareness to this. I'll share more as we get

closer to the date information about the hearing. If you've never been to a federal court hearing, you're not allowed to bring cell phones or recording devices. And, you know, my policy on this is just to not bring the cell phone to the courthouse at all, because otherwise you have to put it in a designated area. And I'll tell you, the last thing that I want is my cell phone being sequestered in a federal court building. You can do whatever you want on that. But as a best practice, just as a, you know, pregame, I would not bring the phone to the courthouse at all. But I'm hoping that well, I actually am hoping that this case settles or gets dismissed or he gets pardoned or gets dropped.

Uh, and that this doesn't happen at all, but originally this was supposed to be January the sixth. rescheduled a couple of It's already been times by refundable tickets, by refundable air tickets, by refundable hotel tickets, because, uh, there, you know, the, uh, the state can, can ask for a change. Uh, the Roger can ask for a change. It's an LA, they could have, you know, another fire. So there's a lot of variability on that, but it would be great if, if you could show up. Um, In Roger's case, a lot of people ask, well, why is he in the situation that he's in? It's actually not because of hijacking Bitcoin. Roger is in the situation that he's in because he is effective at promoting peer

to peer digital cash. Remember, this lawfare was accelerated, even though this court case, against him goes back to even though the case like twenty sixteen for taxes that go back even further than that. They didn't. convene a grand jury until twenty twenty four. there was plenty of time So in other words, for them to have attempted to take action against Roger. They didn't wait until like a year after Biden signed this executive order. Like, why would you wait that long? Right. But again, Biden, thinking you're close to if you're Biden and you're starting to roll out of CBDC, you need Roger silenced. Roger writing hijacking Bitcoin while hijacking Bitcoin is arguably

a good thing for the Biden administration because it kind of makes Bitcoin look like what Bitcoin is. But Roger's actually facing kind of He's getting it from both sides. So not only is he suffering from lawfare under Biden, but now Bitcoin maxis are using the fact that he is under this lawfare to suppress his speech and make it so that he can't get this out. You've got to imagine what this has got to be like for Rogers. So you're facing this lawfare. You're in a country where He's been there now for like ten months. you don't speak the language. I mean, we're coming up on next month. It'll be actually a year. He's close to eleven months. And then just as this presidential election happens,

people are starting to talk about Bitcoin strategic reserves and everything else. And now you've got other people trying to suppress your speech from the other side and trying to negatively influence people on the Trump side. This is why I feel incredibly empathetic for what Roger is going through. And it's why I have tried to help elevate hijacking Bitcoin, because I've talked to a lot of these people. You may remember I ran for president. And so I talked to a lot of the other candidates and everything else. And I will tell you, some of them don't know what they're doing. In fact, the image that I put up with Cynthia Loomis and the other two politicians, these are not early adopters.

Again, they probably don't use computers. I doubt they've even done a P-to-P transaction. And they've probably never been exposed to this information because if you look at who's funding these super PACs and if you look at who's funding the Bitcoin Strategic Reserve, these are not people that are going to bring this up. So if you're Cynthia Loomis, how are you going to find out about this book? If Roger's basically got a gag order on him and people aren't going around talking about this book, RFK is another one. I think if RFK had read the book and knew what was going on, he wouldn't be taking the approach that he's taking right now but at what point are they too far in where

now it's going to be like oh god this is embarrassing now I don't want this to get out so it's a really difficult situation I'm glad that brett weinstein tweeted this out and I hope more people start to look at this my my you know the only regret I have is you know maybe maybe going a little bit harder on on trying to get to rfk and trump about the hijacking bitcoin because now it might be a little bit too late in there and they're now pushing these strategic reserves and other things if you saw this this may be a rehash but there's a big push online to you know get push elon musk on this and see if he'd help with this issue and uh he said he'd look into it and then he

came back with this roger veer gave up his u.s citizenship no pardon for veer membership has its privileges I mean, that's not a final statement. And obviously, you know, Elon is not president, but that was certainly a little bit discouraging. So hopefully, you know, again, they can drop the case. You can settle the case. There are a lot of things that can happen, but that's the current state. I hope you can sign the open letter and attend the hearing. Ian Freeman's case is another. On February the fifth, I went to his appeal hearing in Boston, the Boston federal court. I also sat in on his sentencing hearing when he received the eight-year sentence. And I'm going to play a

couple of clips related to this. I also put in the comments if you go to the very top, there's a link to a post that I made on X. I recorded Jacob Hornberger who actually ran for president as a libertarian. He runs the FFF, it's a freedom foundation. He's a lawyer by training. If you actually go to freeiannow.org or you scan this QR code, there's a link there. He wrote a three-part series of articles about Ian's case. It's by far the best legal write-up about the situation. So you can learn more about his case. But, you know, his case, it radicalized me, Sitting in on his sentencing actually. hearing actually really, you know,

put me into a completely different kind of mindset. Not that I, I knew the state would do things like this. I mean, you know, I've been kind of anti-state. anti-government for quite some time, but it's the way in which it's very clear that they manufactured the case. They went out of their way, invested time and money to attempt to entrap Ian. And in fact, their efforts actually were unsuccessful. They tried to have a guy posing like he was trying to do a transaction for drugs and Ian denied that transaction. Ian actually did KYC. Ian even helped the government in another case

because of the KYC that he had done. So this wasn't a situation where somebody reported a crime. And then they went and busted Ian. This is a case where on a premeditated basis, they installed people and manufactured a case. And then they manufactured the evidence and then they were selective about the evidence itself. So Ian is there for eight years. There are a number of different charges and they are concurrent charges. So he has like tax evasion. He originally had money laundering. he still has conspiracy to commit He also, money laundering, which is the longest part. It's the eight year part of his sentence. But this case was so bad and so biased that the jury

found Ian guilty of of money laundering. And the judge actually threw out that verdict on the basis of the fact that there was actually no evidence of money laundering. So so Ian had his appeal and And I will say that this is kind of the high level summary and then I'll play you a couple of clips. But like I said at the top here, there's a whole thirty, forty minute video of Jacob Hornberger discussing the case. And so, you know, basically right now what he's dealing with is failure to register as Bitcoin business, income tax evasion, and conspiracy to launder money. And again, the conspiracy to launder money

was the largest of the charge. Now, in an appeal process, and this is a little in the weeds, and this is how, by the way, ridiculous the court system is. You are limited to how many pages you can actually put into an appeal. Like they give you these guidelines where it can only be X number of pages in your response. And so I guess his lawyers looked at their arguments and decided to not address the conspiracy to launder money charge. Now, why this is ridiculous is given that he's serving consecutive cases or not consecutive concurrent cases. you would want if they get

if they reduce the smaller charges but the longest eight year remains then he's still going to remain in prison so I didn't understand some of this and I may be misinterpreting some of this but but my understanding is that you know they didn't they didn't have enough room or enough pages to be able to assert the conspiracy argument and then they spent most of their time on this failure to register as a money transmitter. They spent ninety five that and the rest on income tax evasion. percent of their effort on So that seemed a little bit weird. Now, one other thing, though, is you can file to get an expansion or an extension to the length of your appeal, which his lawyers didn't do.

So I'm not thrilled with his lawyers, but that's that's neither here nor there. So long story short, I think there's one theory that if they did overturn the income tax evasion for which there's no evidence and the money transmitter thing, then they might throw out the whole case because they will essentially have thrown out a majority of the claims. I think that is part of what the legal strategy is. And I'm not entirely sure if that, how, legit that is as a strategy. to not address the conspiracy to But to me, commit money laundering is a big issue. So a decision is expected on this within two months. And depending upon how that goes, there'll, you know, there'll request a rehearing or

then there'll be a final appeal to the Supreme Court. And so this was actually over a month ago. So we should be finding out about this in the next couple of weeks. But I want to play a couple of of clips here from Jacob Hornberger. They're very short so that you can get his read on this. What concerns me is that there was no attack on the third charge at all, the conspiracy to launder money. And when I read the defense brief in this case, I was really shocked when I saw that because that justifies the eight-year sentence right there alone. And I wrote in.

I said, do you realize you have not attacked this third charge, the conspiracy charge? And so he says, let me check with my lawyer. And his lawyer said, well, that's true because he ran out of words, that they have a word limit when you do an appellate brief. Well, to me, that means you just compress your other arguments on the first two charges and you make room for the third charge. You don't just don't address the third charge because that that now said that's just that's a standing conviction now. And the lawyer also told Ian that he could have filed a motion to extend the number of words. He didn't file that motion. So I'm I'm extremely concerned about that. And.

Do they remand for new sentencing on the conspiracy charge, which is the only charge left, which I think should have been challenged in the initial brief? I think you had to challenge everything. But they either remand and say, well, we're going to send it back to the judge to reconsider his sentence on the conspiracy charge, given that we've now knocked out these two. Or they could say, there's no need to send it back. that a conspiracy charge encompasses an eight-year jail sentence, we'll knock out these two charges, registration and income tax, that leaves the conspiracy charge affirmed, sentence stands. Or they can say, we send it back for a brand new trial on the conspiracy charge.

Those are your three options. Jacob, on the registration aspect of it, it would seem to me that with the Supreme Court's ruling last year that struck down the Chevron standard for Temporally, that would be something that would apply to the registration that comes after the fact. Um. Do you think that the way if they, I would think that that would be likely to be dropped if if they stick to the Supreme court's. Removal of the Chevron stand with the two fishing cases last year. Do you think that that. How much weight do you think that has, if you can even estimate it, on dropping that, or is it just really a crapshooter? So there you have it.

that is pretty much the status of this. I mean, I wish, honestly, Ian had some different lawyers, but we'll see what happens. We'll know in a couple of weeks. And again... I wish we had more coming out of the DOJ. I wish we had an active DOJ because none of these criminal cases have been addressed. And I'm just concerned, frankly, that all of a sudden the DOJ and the FBI seems to be focusing on and even HHS fighting anti-Semitism instead of dropping lawfare on people who are looking at life in prison. It's a frustrating experience watching the prioritization of resources at this point in time. Um, there's also Roman storm who I mentioned,

and, you know, he's looking at money laundering and all kinds of other charges related to the fact that he wrote software, uh, that preserves privacy that people voluntarily run on, on their machine. And he's had a, he's had a hell of a case. if you've never been through this is. One thing, you know, lawfare is incredibly expensive when you're fighting the state, who's using your own money against you. And, and so in some cases it's almost impossible to fight these things. And, you know, I did a, I think the season two, episode two, we had the folks from dragon chain on, we had Joe, uh, Joe wrote on and he was talking about, the fact that they'd go through you know,

a process where they'd, you know, have him provide discovery for having provide all of these documents related to the case and compile all the stuff and get all this information together at incredible expense. And then all of the government would lose it. Oops. So then you have to go recompile it. I mean, have all kinds of I mean, whether it's incompetence or what. So he's had he struggled to raise money. He did just recently raise over a million dollars for that. But in his case, he actually needs some help with legal fees. So if you want to scan the QR code there, there's a fund that is available for that. And then I will be tweeting around when I get the specifics in April.

He is going to his trial begins in April. So again, he's looking at up to forty five years and he is in the Southern District of New York. So I am going to try to make it to that case as well. Same rules apply. You can't film, you can't record in any way. But I think it's going to be good to go out and make a a showing for Roman as well. So all of these guys need to have attention brought to these cases. And again, the struggle with it is that Trump seems to be doing things on the basis of pay to play. And a lot of this stuff is complex. The other thing is, look, please watch the podcast on Thursday. because I am going to walk through this stablecoin situation. We are in a much worse

situation than we were before the election. It is a one-two punch. They're getting people diverted into putting all of their money into hijacked Bitcoin digital surveillance gold. And then at the same time, They're rolling out the Treasury Secretary, Trump, and everybody has said, well, it's important that the dollar remains the world reserve currency. So they're not looking at, make no mistake, they don't see Bitcoin as a threat to the dollar. Bitcoin isn't part of the dollar. The dollar is not going to be backed up. by Bitcoin. Bitcoin is a diversion. And so privacy is still a threat if the position of this government is to remain the global reserve currency.

And now they're advocating strongly. There are two bills. You can't make this up. There's a House bill called the stable bill and a Senate bill called the genius bill. So stable genius kind of the riff off of Trump's nickname that Trump got. And I've read both bills and analyzed both bills. They're worse than what I was talking about last year when I was talking about the Loomis-Gillibrand bill. It's more KYC. It's more reporting. It gives more control to the banks. It's more surveillance. And it gives oversight to the Federal Reserve. It's horrible for DeFi. So the posture and the actual policy of this government and the bills coming out of Congress

are intended based on how they're designed to minimize the use of cryptocurrency for peer-to-peer digital cash and to minimize privacy. You should be very worried about that. So with that, I don't know, this is what makes it hard to elevate these cases because I actually don't think that the government is interested in justice or the principles around this, but hopefully I'm wrong. I've talked so far about criminal cases. I will remind you also, this is really the only civil case that I'm talking about right now, but is Joe Rhodes and Dragon Chain. This is another one of those. It's just egregious. I mean, this was a spin out from Disney with working, fully functional technology.

It was a utility token. It wasn't a fundraise. You were buying the tokens to use the platform. It was literally called America's blockchain. He was targeted because what they've created is a platform that allows other people to create all kinds of applications and to create all kinds of different decentralized solutions that work with multiple blockchains. Some can be private, some can be public. There's just there's so many different applications that technology that that you can build with this clearly it was a threat. And again, the government, even though they, I believe, began investigating him in twenty eighteen, didn't decide to indict him and move forward on this or file

their case until after Biden signed the executive order. So this is essentially where we're at on these cases. So you can go to daylightfreedom.org and click on Biden Crypto Lawfare. And I'm going to keep that up to date. But I encourage you to visit all of the sites, the sites for Roger, for Ian, for Roman. Sign their petition. Donate in the case of Romans if you can. Attend the hearings. Help raise awareness. And then, you know, again, beyond that, the problem that I've got is, I mean, having spent a lot of time looking at the inside baseball part of this is... We're seeing a lot of things being stalled in the Trump administration. We're not seeing anything out of the DOJ.

I mean, obviously, you know, nothing has happened with the Epstein files. Nothing's happened with the JFK files. those have been literally things In fact, have been announced and dates have been put on when they were going to be released. And then we either get nothing or in the case of this Epstein thing, what they released, I had the full unredacted version of what they released five years ago. It's almost like they're trying to demoralize us. And so anyway, I'm gonna try to not be too negative and try to do everything that we can to focus on this, but it's tough to figure out how to play this given that I actually think strategically they are, again, trying to divert people

into Bitcoin and do everything that they can to make sure that people are not using cryptocurrency for day-to-day transactions and moving to surveillance stable coins. Um, and they're not as incompetent as the Biden administration. this is why we actually have a So this is, bigger risk now than before. I'm going to do a separate I'll talk more. podcast just on Zeno and confidential layer, because I want to actually explain how all of it works and demonstrate it, but we're still waiting for So I'm not going to do that some of the integration. until it's done. But the general update is that Zeno is now available on, on, uh, On cake wallet, which is great and makes it you know,

very very easy to use that's a very user friendly wallet very excited about the fact that that's Happened confidential layer is huge. By the way related to this. I don't know if you saw you know, there's this saying in crypto Oh, I lost my keys in a boating accident. I've got news for you. That doesn't help you Bitcoin is on a transparent ledger if they can track that those are your Bitcoin and then all of a sudden they're stolen but you didn't report them stolen and somebody else is using them and Or if you use them yourself, again, you're on a public ledger. So you saying that they were stolen and then using your coins on a transparent blockchain, that's nice job.

Congratulations on providing evidence. But even if somebody steals your coins, even if you legitimately lost, your bitcoin in a boating accident we're at the point right now because of the tracking where you are going to you know potentially be in a situation where you have to defend yourself from somebody having stolen and used your coins so um this this you know new people to crypto are completely asleep about the issues around how trackable bitcoin is OGs are aware, but most of the OGs that got into Bitcoin for the purpose of separating money and state have been moving away from Bitcoin. They've been moving to Monero. They've been moving to Zeno. They've been moving to Zcash and others.

So confidential layer is going to be critical. You are going to be able to, within a wallet, bridge your Bitcoin, Bitcoin Cash, and Ethereum to Zeno and then use basically a tokenized, private tokenized version of those cryptocurrencies where it's not tracked and available on a public blockchain. So people that are asking, well, what is the use case of tokenization? And I've said over and over again, everything will be tokenized. The only decision that we have right now Is everything tokenized with the dystopian features of a CBDC or is everything tokenized in a way that's private where we can engage in voluntary interactions? Those are the only choices. Anyone who says, oh, well,

tokenization isn't going to happen. Tokenization is a hundred percent happening. The only question is, are you going to passively become a victim to it or are you going to embrace it? And the clearest application application in the near and most exciting term is confidential layer. And then there's what I'm doing with Karma. to create a gold-backed privacy token that uses the privacy features of Zeno, but it actually has the physical backing of gold that you can physically redeem for gold. Those are two examples. And I'll go into that in greater detail in a separate podcast. you can go to daylightfreedom.org, So again, brand new site. We're keeping this up to date,

lots of things going on. And, you know, the threat is bigger now than it was before. The understanding that it's a threat is not there. So look at what we've had happen just this week. Israel has announced that they're going full steam ahead on the digital shekel. The EU has announced that they're going to roll out an EU CBDC in October of this year. So, I mean, we're talking like six, seven months from now. Canada's new prime minister used to be on the board of the Bank of England. He's a central banker. So you know what's going on in Canada. So the overall situation, so we've gone from one

hundred and thirty four countries representing whatever it is, ninety eight percent of global GDP to one hundred and thirty three countries representing eighty three percent of GDP explicitly accelerating the CBDC. And then you have the United States, which is actually implementing a CBDC through stable coins. Think about what happens, by the way. If you have a JP Morgan issued stable coin or Tether or USDC, which by the way, both of those companies have crony ties to the Trump administration going back to when he was president before. So Tether and USDC are already reversible, they're already censorable, and they're already working with law enforcement.

So this is completely surveillance money. But imagine the United States now, right if so if the dollar remains and we're doubling down on being the global reserve currency and now we have these programmable trackable surveillance coins do you think this is going to be good for freedom around the world Do you think this is going to help? to increase freedom or decrease freedom? Do you think this is going Having a JP Morgan stable coin that can be programmed. just think about this in terms of I mean, people trying to do international business and It's actually going to turn everything else. out to be a disaster. It's not going to be, oh, yes, cross-border payments are going to be easy.

It's going to be, no, we're going to be applying. If Trump decides he wants tariffs, then, you know, think about how easy tariffs are going to be to program into a bank-issued stable coin regulated by the Federal Reserve. So we are... This is like critical. So what I'm doing with the workshops is I'm going to continue to do workshops, but with a focus on as quickly as possible getting an online workshop because we have to onboard a lot of people and people need to start using this for peer-to-peer digital cash. One other missing piece in addition to the point of sale system is we need a marketplace and think Silk Road, but not for drugs, but for, you know, vegetables, for organic vegetables,

for raw milk, for the base of Maslow's hierarchy of needs. We need to be building a marketplace that people can use to buy necessities because the thread is still the same. But obviously, it's going to be easier to onboard normies if we're showing them, oh, hey, here's your choice. You can either use your JP Morgan stable coin to buy cricket paste, or you can use these privacy coins to buy organic grass-fed beef. practical in nature. So it needs to be more I'm going to try to, I'm trying to work on the logistics for this, do a whole workshop in Bretton Woods in October of this year.

It's not going to be a big event. It's going to be probably less than fifty people, but get people from these different categories like food freedom and health freedom and work together on building out a marketplace and figuring out how to really start getting people to use this. It has made me sick going to all these conferences, seeing a lot of liberty people that know better that got into this for the separation of money and state have just fucking sold out for fiat and and in fact the ones that are pushing for bitcoin strategic refers these are the people that you know other people just don't know any better it's the people that know better and should be on the front lines of promoting

alternative solutions that sold out for fiat those people are the most problematic people of all and so There's a lot of complacency and there's also a lot of, oh, well, you know, I'm going to figure out a way to hide. whole survival mindset. You're going back to this It's either I'm going to be growing my own food or I'm going to carve off some have five different other thing or I'm going to passports and everything else. And it's like, you know, we're not going to be technocracy. You're having five passports is not going to be the key to freedom. If you're living in a world that's ninety nine point nine percent uh, technocracy, you, you will not be free. You may have the relative

perception of more freedom than somewhere else, but the only way that we actually stop this is to, is to actually cut it off. So with that said, I see, I see Dan O'Neill is here. And if anybody else wants to join, just to do a chat on this, I am a little disappointed. Like the traffic, usually I would have three thousand views by now. So I am, I am completely shadow banned. And, um, So please, if you're watching like, and retweet this, uh, but, uh, happy to invite some people on and we can just kind of, you know, talk about what, uh, today or any other what we walked through questions or any other topics anybody wants to talk about. I see I am for, I am, you want to pop in here?

Danny there. Yeah. Aaron, can you hear me? I can. How are you? Good. I'm, um, Good. One thing I'd like to talk about is the Chevron case and how it possibly could affect Ian. Now, if Congress is the only one that's supposed to make laws, not non-governmental agencies, apparently one of the charges is an unregulated crypto exchange. Is that correct? transmitter license. Operating without a money Okay, operating without a money transmitter license. So Congress never actually made any laws on crypto or anything. So these are just extra government organizations making laws.

And I think the Chevron case pointed out that that can't be done anymore. So I'm wondering, on appeal, can you... Well, that's just something I was wondering when the whole Chevron thing came out. Well, so... wondering about too. It was something I was And I actually had indicated this to some of the folks involved. And I said, hey, look, are you looking at this? Because in fact, what I was going to do is try to get all the court documents and load it into AI. Here's the issue. Did they make that argument in the appeal or not? Because if they didn't make the argument in the appeal, the court isn't just going to reverse something. Your lawyer actually has to bring it up.

The court doesn't just come in and intervene immediately. and reverse something without the lawyer having brought it up. Given that Ian's lawyers, I don't know what they, so they spent, excuse me, ninety five percent of their time talking about the money transmitter thing, five percent of their time talking about the tax thing and zero percent of the time talking about the conspiracy to commit money laundering. So I don't know if they brought up in the written documents, the Chevron case. I still worry that even if they did bring up the Chevron case, the fact that they didn't address the conspiracy to commit defamation or excuse me, defamation conspiracy to

commit money laundering that, you know, if that holds, that's the eight years, that's the longest part of the sentence. But I haven't seen all the paperwork, so it's possible that it was brought up, and it's possible that that might be one of the arguments. I do not remember hearing. In the hearing itself, Chevron mentioned, but I may have missed it. It was a pretty short hearing, as you know. I did hear Ian's attorney mention about Congress having to make a law on... I'm not sure if he was very specific about what we're talking about. But now, if that was enough of a mention to be able to open that up later on, if not,

then worst case scenario, this would be a Supreme Court appeal. But I don't think we want to talk about that yet, right? I don't think we want to talk about No, would even be taken up as that and whether or not it the issue because the problem is, If, again, his lawyers didn't make the arguments, then when you go to the Supreme Court, you can only go to the Supreme Court with an appeal based on what you actually brought up in the appeal. So this is the issue. So what are you going to do? Go to the Supreme Court on the money transmitter law thing? Well, the Supreme Court could reverse the money transmitter thing. It doesn't change the fact that you still haven't addressed the eight years

from the conspiracy to commit money laundering. But there is some other thinking about this that if they've thrown out the majority of the different elements of this, that somehow that might lead them to throw out the entire case. I don't know what basis of law that is supported by. It may be, and I'm not a lawyer, but it seemed like that was the argument that if we get three out of four, then they'll just drop the whole case. I'm not sure that it works like that. I mean, I've been in cases where, you know, people will throw up a whole bunch of different claims, and then a bunch of them get shot down, but you still, you still lose on that one. So I'm not sure if that's a

great strategy. But we'll know here, probably in the next couple of weeks, because it was supposed to be within two months of February the fifth. So we're on we're March the eleventh. So within three weeks, we should know. That's right. It's interesting what you were talking about before about, um, a lot of people in the BTC community are talking about, they've lost their Bitcoin in a boating accident. And now there, uh, there was a court case in Georgia the other day. I don't know if it was the other day or it was a week ago, but, they were, the guy actually had approved, um, that he had, um, The keys, I guess. I guess he was getting fined twelve thousand dollars a

day until he turned over his BTC. And apparently they're able to find out exactly how much he has and everything else. So that's what's coming. I agree with what you're saying. So the confidential layer that Zeno has is probably very interesting to a lot of BTC maxis. What would you think? Well, it should be. I will tell you. People are delusional, right? I interact with people online about I mean, this all the time where the argument will be, well, if you're safe or if you you can keep your Bitcoin private. know what you're doing, Well, first of all, Ian's a smart guy. Roger's a smart guy. Ross Ulbrich was a smart guy. The things that you would have to do to actually keep

your Bitcoin truly private are almost unworkable. And almost no one has done it. So maybe there are five guys out there, but of course those five guys are probably not buying anything or actually Bitcoin or whatever they're doing anything with their doing is on the fringes. And so it defeats the purpose of having Bitcoin, right? Like this whole surveillance piece. But I actually put up a chart on this the other day. Somebody was like, oh, well, you know, they can't force me to give up my keys. And the chart that I put up was, all of the different countries that have Bitcoin and how they got it. So the United States has two hundred thousand dollars or excuse me, two hundred thousand Bitcoin.

They stole those through civil asset forfeiture. Those are Ross Ulbrich's Bitcoin. There's five million dollars worth of Ian's Bitcoin. And that was five million dollars at the time. So it's probably ten million dollars worth of Bitcoin. that they stole from Ian. Now I want everybody to think about this for a second. he was operating ATMs and was I mean, offering an exchange service. He actually had a church that was legal. They didn't actually show that he owed any taxes. They convinced, they convicted him of tax evasion or whatever it was without even showing because Ian hadn't filed, like they didn't have any proof of any of this. So they not only had him give up five million,

but a part of whatever his settlement was, was he agreed to not get his Bitcoin back regardless of what happens with this case. Like they literally extorted him for all of his Bitcoin. So when people say that, well, yeah, but you know, they can't force me to give them my private key. It's like, okay, how many people realistically when faced with a ten thousand dollar a day fine or jail time are going to not give up their private key. And by the way, what's the hero element of holding on to your private key and going and going to prison? How is that like? What's the win there? That's not even an ideological win. That's retarded.

It's like you basically signed up for a surveillance asset. Now you're not giving it up. You got caught. And boy, you're going to show them by spending time in prison. Like this is how off this is. And again, the reason I even bring up that absurd argument is I've had that same argument with multiple people. So I will tell you, as a result of the stuff that's been going on in the last year with these cases and then other situations that I've been privy to, I've seen what the forensic analysis looks like now. There's a whole industry of people. now that have these long resumes that are involved in digital forensics. There are people that go and get like degrees or

certification in chain analysis. And by the way, this happens. This is going on for a variety of applications. We know that the government is doing it right and the IRS is doing it. But if there are disputes with, you know, I think there was something with this guy BitBoy or whatever. And there are these other cases where people are going through divorce. So there's a whole industry of people now where it's like, oh, you're going through a divorce. So one spouse is trying to find out if the other spouse is holding on to Bitcoin or not. Well, the thing is, What you don't realize is these guys have been mapping this stuff out. So people will say, well, it's expensive to do chain analysis.

it's not expensive to do chain Well, analysis when all of the exchanges are now giving this information to the IRS. It's not expensive when now all of the big cryptocurrency miners and Bitcoin miners are KYC AMLing the crypto they mine. So basically what's happening is they're building a huge surveillance database. So they're filling in the pieces of this puzzle. And so it only gets worse because now we have AI on top of that. I mean, early on it was like, well, yeah, this is gonna be expensive to go through all of this. But the same people that, you know, I'll tell you, it would be a lot better if we had bigger blocks. But it's not that hard to track when you have small blocks.

You don't have that many transactions. And then you have everybody with all of these different incentives, whether civil or criminal, to track all of this stuff. This is why it's like it's almost to me it's a joke. There are a lot of people. that are probably going to go to prison, that were early Bitcoin OGs, and they thought it was anonymous, or even if they thought it was pseudo-anonymous, they didn't actually contemplate or imagine what chain analysis would look like. So now they're sitting there with Bitcoin they can't spend. They should love confidential layers. And in fact, related to that, what needs to get built out is the point of sale system in the marketplace so that

there are places where people can spend their tokenized, their Xano tokenized Bitcoin, Bitcoin Cash and Ethereum. And so this is why if you this is why there's a whole start thinking about this, huge opportunity here for businesses and marketplaces to start accepting Zeno and all related tokens created on Zeno. This is why there's such a promising future for Zeno. But it's tough because. A lot of these people are buying into some really ridiculous arguments. I mean, look, there's this guy that wrote this book, Jason Lowery or whatever his name is, Softwar. we've gotten to the point where we I mean, have literal government employees that work for Space Force writing propaganda that Bitcoin

maxis are using as a justification to prop up the price of their cryptocurrency. It couldn't be less interesting. like an cap or anarchist than that. Like it's just, it's a full on, propaganda and censorship at this point. it's just full on Well, when they were hunting Ian down, um, Ian knew they were coming for him. He was on the radio every night and, um, They completely set him up, fabricated stuff, lied about a lot of different things.

But the one thing is, is that they were able to put him in jail anyway, regardless of... Now, if you look at the trial, they brought in some older folks that I guess got scammed out of their whole life savings. And a lot of the jury was looking at this and they felt really bad. They're like, this is horrible. We need to do justice. But then they brought Ian out and Ian had nothing to do with any of these people. So this court case should have just been thrown out right from the get-go because the jury was already poisoned. And so that's a whole nother thing that, was that brought up in the appeal at all?

Or is that just a done deal at this point? Again, I that part of so my understanding is and I didn't get to see the documents but that that wasn't challenged my understanding is that Ian forfeited The rights to get his Bitcoin back regardless of the outcome of the trial That was one thing that my drug dropped when I heard that so So that was not that was not part of it and people need to understand this like I there's a I touched on it when we were talking to dragon chain and We have no constitution. I want you to look at what's going on right now. The United States Treasury has four point seven trillion dollars worth of

transactions that they made where they did not make notes of where the money was spent. They want bank secrecy laws for us and they have literally no accountability. USAID today is shredding. The document came out that tomorrow they're getting together and they're shredding as many documents as they can. And those that they can't shred, they're going to put into burn bags. You have the CIA destroying as much evidence as they could about MKUltra. We have a situation right now where the government has no accountability. All of the major money laundering happens by the government through the Treasury and through the Federal Reserve. The systems have no control. And by the way,

let me give you an example of this. So yes, they held Ian responsible for what one of his customers allegedly did, was involved in a romance scam. Even though Ian actually went through the KYC process, asked the person, are you sure you want to do this transaction? Do you know who the person is and everything else? Ian didn't even know Ian doesn't know the identity of the person that did the romance scam. He wasn't in on it. He didn't get a cut of it. He went through his KYC process, and they held him liable for this. Meanwhile, JPMorgan Chase worked directly for years with Jeffrey Epstein, and no one has gone to jail. So there are no examples.

You don't see with large banks where there are money laundering cases. What was it? HSBC. is a notorious bank that's been involved with laundering money for drug cartels and everything else. You never see a banker go to jail for this. You never see criminal charges related to this. So they brought in these old women to make this case and And when the women, to make the case. because I sat in on this, I was at the sentencing hearing and these women came in, these old women came in, on Zoom and they're like blaming Ian as if Ian was the one who stole their money. Ian was not the beneficiary of any of the stolen Bitcoin or any of this stuff that happened.

But also this relates to conspiracy. So Ian, they threw out the money laundering charge. They kept the conspiracy charge. I was in a case where people threw out a defamation case against me, but kept the conspiracy case for five and a half years. Well, look, by this standard, everybody in Washington, D.C. is should be held responsible for conspiracy to commit sex trafficking and money laundering. Based on the Epstein case, because literally that would be an equitable treatment of the law based on how Ian's been treated, how I've been treated, how citizens are treated. They can use conspiracy to get you for anything. It is a complete end run

around the United States Constitution because it's not even what percentage. It's not that, oh, you were in on it fifty-fifty. Or the damages aren't even assigned. Well, you're only involved one percent. So you have one percent of the damages. It's like, no, you're if you're involved, if they can get you in any way with the hook of conspiracy, then you're liable for the entire thing. And in some ways, this is what they're trying to do with these developers that are working on privacy technology for Tornado Cash and everything else. They're basically saying, well, you wrote this code. And even though other people voluntarily decided to run it, tough shit, you are held responsible

for their actions. Yet our own government has no accountability. That is literally the opposite of the Constitution. And so but but if you're listening to this, if you've never been in a lawsuit, this is how it actually works here. So if you're sitting here saying, oh, we've got these constitutional protection protections, we don't have jack shit. We have nothing. We've been completely overrun by the government and completely overrun by these administrative agencies. And it's not even close. conspiracy cases are the Yeah, somebody wrote, government's perfect scapegoat. Absolutely. And they can use interstate commerce as well. It's an absolute catch-all. And even if you can defend yourself,

like my case, I had to spend five and a half years. I was being sued for two hundred eighty million dollars for five and a half years. And these cases went through eight different judges recusing themselves. The case was originally dismissed. Then it went to the state Supreme Court and then it got kicked back down. It took five and a half years. to resolve. I wasn't found guilty of it. We ended up resolving it in mediation, but five and a half years and you can't do anything with a lawsuit like that over your head. The judicial system that we have is utterly useless and it completely benefits either the wealthy who can just basically outspend and win through attrition and it also

benefits the government because they're using your tax money against you like in the I talked about roman storm and he's had to raise one point two or I think he recently raised one point two million dollars but he's fighting this case for tornado cash and he doesn't have the money to literally doesn't have the money to fight And the government will go out of their way to make all these requests for all of this information and to put all of this burden on you to spend all of this money to basically hand over evidence that they'll use against you. And that process weakens you either have to settle or to the point where you you literally can't even defend the case. And so, you know, again,

I'm not talking about what the solutions are post this. I don't think this is a fixable situation, Like, but people... really need to understand how fundamentally broken the legal system is. I see George there. Are you there? Yes. Yeah, I can hear you. Can you hear me? Great. could we agree on a couple of things? I mean, Yeah. Everyday people apply their own rational self-interest? Do we agree that they do or they should? they should, but do enough of them do it?

Or at least the people that are in pseudo power. The people in power don't operate under any set of principles. They operate, there's no rational self-interest. They operate under the basis of self-interest. And this is why this is problematic. The whole point of the constitution was to limit, explicitly limit government. At the federal level and then give everything else out to the state or whatever. But it was to explicitly limit government. And that's exactly not what has happened. And so the entire breakdown here is the fact that we now have cronyism. So, for instance, we have big pharma companies that have no liability shields. You know, a lot of libertarians will say,

hey, can you mute, George? There's a lot of background noise. There we go. A lot of people say, well, in a free market, people wouldn't kill their customers, Because it's not in your right? rational self-interest. And that's true in a free market where you actually have liability and fraud and everything else. No one would kill their customers. The only reason it's acceptable for big pharma to kill their customers is because government has literally given them a license to do it. I would argue I still would Now, I mean, not want to be in the business of killing people, even if it were illegal.

But obviously that the kinds of psychopaths that ends up companies don't have those moral issues. running these kinds of So on that stream, All right. do you think maxis want to end the Fed or do you think they want to become the Fed? I mean, I think at this point, I think the way I phrased it at one point, it's. Early on in Bitcoin, people looked at the Federal Reserve with disgust and now they look at it with envy. And so it does seem like they want to be at the table. They feel like somehow they're winning. A lot of it is like, oh, now they feel accepted. Now they feel like they're at the big boy table. They've completely lost the plot.

I actually think In many respects, Bitcoin maxis are worse than central bankers based on their behavior. You look at Michael Saylor, you look at Max Keiser in particular. I mean, Max Keiser, what is this guy doing? I actually heard, I don't know if this is true, but somebody posted something that he might have actually been involved in working with the IRS or somehow giving information to the IRS. I don't know if this is true This is a guy who went and with Roger's case. worked on El Salvador, which... which, you know, claiming that, well, this is going to be the first country and then it's going to be like dominoes. Well, let's look at what's gone on in El Salvador.

When they rolled out Bitcoin as legal tender, they did it on a custodial wallet that the government had access to. So in other words, it was a surveillance centralized version of Bitcoin. And one of the first things rolled it out was there was that happened when they a hack and every citizen in El Salvador was doxed. through the Chivo wallet. But then on top of that, nobody used it. So they ended up having to abandon it. Then El Salvador needed a bailout from the IMF. And now it's no longer legal tender. But that doesn't stop Max Keiser from claiming that this is a big win. Well, what point if at some point in time you are sitting there and you are working with dictators and you are

trying to rationalize points that are in complete contrast with when he was on Russia Today in twenty twelve. What he is saying now is completely different. And now all of a sudden he's like Bitcoin was was here before Jesus. And he's like saying all of this other stuff. So so actually the behavior of these people is is not any better. There was this belief. now you're going to have completely Well, different people with a different ideology, with a redistribution of wealth. Well, one thing that I can tell you about the people in the Bitcoin community is they don't seem to invest in anything or actually do anything. The culture of the Bitcoin maxi is and literally there's propaganda and

there's dogma around this. You hold, you cut your own hair, It's. save money, don't buy anything, dollar cost average, and you put everything that You never use it. you can into Bitcoin. You never sell it. And then at some point in the future, some magical thing is going to happen and you're going to own all of the wealth and you're going to be in the citadel as like a king amongst other kings that also hold a certain amount of Bitcoin. It's retarded. And it's actually literally worse than how central bankers operate. Because nobody's investing in anything. This is why I like Roger so much. I mean, how many people in Bitcoin, like this guy's like, oh yeah, I like this.

I'm gonna go give a whole I'm gonna buy ads on Free bunch of this away. Talk Live to tell people about Bitcoin. There's no monetary interest in it. He's not making any money. He's like, this is such a great technology. I'm going to actually pay my own money to advertise. And then I'm gonna invest in all of these other companies. Like almost no one else has done that. So the concentration now of Bitcoin maxis that are OGs are people that have given up their ideology for fiat currency and are now like digging into the ninth circle of hell for rationalizations for why they have fundamentally abandoned their core principles. to the point where they're using soft war and trying

to rationalize literally people from the Space Force and the intelligence community. They're using actual government propaganda as a way to justify how competing over mining hash is going to be the way that we wage war. It's just absurd. And they bought it. And I found that most of the people that are indoctrinated with this stuff don't think critically about it. They read the book, and they may memorize some but they don't think about it. of the taglines, They don't think critically about whether what it's saying makes any sense or not. It's really disgusting. I've got to be honest with you. And then there's another It's disgusting. part of it where there are

other people that are just, you know, of money in fiat now, they've got a whole bunch and there's a... I wouldn't say they're happy. There are a lot of people that are Bitcoin maxis that are lost. because they have a bunch of wealth accumulated in bitcoin they may or may not be able to spend it depending on what the what the issues are but they have no purpose in life they're not they're not actually building anything like okay I have all this and then you realize it's money well what's the point of my life now and I yeah this is just an observation from going to a lot of these things and so there aren't many you know look there's some people that have bitcoin diversified thing or whatever.

Just because it's a But most OGs are not maxis anymore. They may still have some Bitcoin, but they've moved on. And most of these people moved on in twenty seventeen, started moving on in twenty seventeen. So it's it's very frustrating to watch, actually, because when we talk about innovators and early adopters and everything, the people that should be the innovators have been split into a thousand pieces or become complacent. This is why we're having a hard time with adoption because I'm trying to figure out how do we get adoption? be adoption are kind of like, no man, And the people that should this is going to be, you know, it's just going to be Bitcoin. So why would I want to use

this as a currency? I'm just going to stick with this. So the people that, you know, have been in this for like ten years twelve years that are still maxis they're not they're not promoting the use of uh cryptocurrency for peer-to-peer digital cash they bought into these to these bullshit arguments and and probably look I I hope none of them have to go through this part of even this podcast today and the article that I wrote is I've been in the weeds on a lot of this stuff and a lot of these legal situations and I've seen these reports and I've seen this chain analysis. I don't think people have a clue. what's going on if they saw truly how much this stuff was tracked like because

there's still kind of this there's like an era of well they're not gonna they won't catch me or they won't go after me because I'm a small guy I mean look the number of people now that are getting degrees that are like craig wright you know with with every rent a degree that he gets but there's so many people now getting certification in chain analysis and they're using it for things like divorce cases or embezzlement cases. You think that your partner in your business might be embezzling some of the cryptocurrency. So it's not just like government going after people for tax evasion or government trying to claim that they're going after something for the purpose of money laundering or some

terrorism terrorism activity there's an entire cottage industry of people that are now doing this for uh for you know marital disputes and everything else and the problem with that is that as all of this stuff gets tracked down it kind of gets built and aggregated into a larger database and so now you're able to see oh well from this other investigation we learned that this wallet belonged to this guy and so now there's pooled information on the tracking of these blockchains. And now with every new block that's mined through large miners, they're KYC-ing this with all of the large exchanges providing information to the IRS and others about, you know, oh, well,

this person took their Bitcoin off of Coinbase and they moved it to this self-custody wallet. Well, now the map, now it's not so hard to find out what's going on. And so... I don't want these people to get into trouble. I don't want them to have to go through what Ian or Roger or Ross or anybody else has gone through. I don't wish that on them, but the complacency is going to lead them there and they don't even know it and they don't want to hear it because they'd much rather hear, software, or they'd rather hear the Bitcoin standard, or they'd rather hear something else. They'd rather just get the latest propaganda to pump their bags. So do you think that truth

and transparency is a soundbite for politicians and a trap for individuals? It absolutely is. In the stable and genius stablecoin bills, there's all of the stuff in there about KYC, AML. And I'm going to do a... Probably not for this article for the podcast I'm doing on Thursday about stablecoins, but I'm going to do a separate one because I've been doing the research on this. So one of the things that I like to do is... Like you'll get into situations. There are a lot of people right now that are like, they woke up because of COVID, but they're spending all of their time.

Their premise is that the world is going to go back to the way that it was before COVID as if the world before COVID wasn't a complete shit show, right? They still have belief. I'll give you like RFK talks about, well, we need to go just collect a whole bunch of data so that we can restore these institutions, right? The thing is, I take a different approach. My approach is I like to study the history What were these organizations like when What was the FBI like when it was founded? they were founded? When the FBI was founded, it was founded as a blackmail organization. And the person who led it and founded it was himself blackmailed by the mafia. Well, here's a little hint.

If you have an organization that started out with out-integrity and then you give it decades with no accountability or any kind of transparency, they don't improve in integrity. So there is no golden age. We have these ideas that we're going to, there's like, it's kind of like in your computer, you can set a restore point. So people have different conceptions of what the restore point is. Some people might be, hey, twenty nineteen pre COVID is going to be a restore point. it was better in nineteen eighty five. Other people like, oh, Well, actually go back and do the research. You're going to find there is no restore point. And so that is a. I wish people would start looking at that better

because we're chewing up a lot of time right now trying to restore to something that doesn't exist. So if fifty percent of the U.S. population has lost faith in government, what percentage of the global citizenry do you think has lost faith in the U.S. government, which is the reserve currency? And about when do you think they probably started losing faith in the U.S. fiat dollar? I mean, it's hard to say. I mean, it's certainly been happening over a long period of time. I mean, you see the debt has really ballooned big time. You know, I think two thousand and eight was probably a big wake up call.

People will use whatever they use, whatever they can use. I mean, so I mean, to that end, Tether has been, you know, unable to perform audits tether is tether tether is a fugazi all fiat's a fugazi uh this truth and transparency movement we're going to go to fort knox we're going to reestablish establish faith in gold and for the younger generations not the boomers we're going to talk about this cryptocurrency So they're just creating a fugazi for whatever their new digital currency that they're going to try to implement. And it'll be backed by the different big banks, not a central bank, but backed by different banks. Because if you like Chase,

you like Bank of America, whoever the hell it is, then you understand this concept of stable coins and you're already using digital transactions because very few people use cash, unfortunately. So how do we get the world to just start hedging their bet in their rational self-interest to use privacy coins? Well, I don't know. So far, writing a book, going around the country doing workshops was the first part. But what I learned doing that is the pain point remains, which were close, is to have easy to use solutions. The solutions have to be competitive. to what they're going to roll out with CBDCs because they will make CBDCs convenient.

When you dig into CBDCs that are being rolled out, you don't have to have a wallet to use these things. For instance, a lot of people don't think about this. I wrote about how we already have a CBDC. The Federal Reserve already uses an Oracle database. Our money is already programmable. Health savings accounts are programmable. Flexible spending accounts for healthcare purchases, that's programmable money. using existing banks. And while the central bank uses an Oracle database, your commercial bank uses an Oracle database or Microsoft database, and it's backed by reserves in this Oracle database, all of it's programmable, all of it's trackable. So we already have what people think they fear.

And it certainly can get much worse from there. And I talked about this in the earlier part of the podcast. One of the issues is, The Federal Reserve is the problem in that they're an unnecessary, useless third party in the middle that gets a cut of all of the transactions and can basically manipulate the money supply to create a Hunger Games scenario where they can basically steal people's real physical assets when they default on money that they printed out of thin air that was backed by nothing. So the federal reserve is useless. I mean, is a useless third party, but what it's kind of like that Spider-Man meme where you have three Spider-Mans pointing at each other is who's responsible.

All of the tracking, all of the surveillance that happens today, thirteen different forms of surveillance, whether it's AI working with the IRS in your bank or the NSA bulk data collection or the Patriot Act or all of these other things, all of that is generated by Congress. All of the financial survey, the Federal Reserve. did not preemptively go out and implement any of this surveillance. In fact, in most cases, they actually fought it. So if you got rid of the Federal Reserve, there is a politician who I met. He's the senator from Oregon, Ron Wyden. So I was at this crypto conference in Dallas a year and a half ago or so, a year, fifteen months ago.

And there was a panel on CBDCs. And you had some politicians claiming they were against CBDCs, not realizing that we already have a CBDC. But Ron Wyden's pitch was, yeah, let's get rid of the central bank. And then let's just have not a CBDC, not a central bank digital currency, but the treasury directly issues a digital currency. Well, I got to tell you, that's not That's worse. In many respects, that that might be worse than a CBDC, because even with a CBDC, you've at least got to go through the Federal Reserve, who may not be the Federal necessarily pro advocating for, you know, Reserve is not as doing this kind of surveillance. It's the government that is actually doing the surveillance.

So now the problem is, I've got to try to explain that it's not really CBDCs that are the problem. It's any government-backed, government-controlled, programmable digital currency, whether there's a central bank or not. is the issue. And whereas Biden was incompetent at actually rolling out this technology, we now have David Sachs as the crypto and AI czar. We have a lot of people surrounding the administration. They have the technical capabilities. This guy, Howard Lutnik, who is the commerce secretary, he personally invested, well, his company invested six hundred million dollars into Tether and his company manages all of the treasuries for Tether. There is another guy who

worked with Steve Mnuchin, Trump's previous treasury secretary, that has ties to USDC. USDC has Goldman Sachs as one of its big investors. So these stable coins are advanced. And I could see a scenario where they come up with some situation where they get rid of the central bank, but then they have Tether working directly with the treasury. That's not a win. That is not a that is not a victory. So we've now created a situation where it's just a shell game. And the people behind, whether it's a central bank, the Fed or global bankers, whatever, they're still going to be in control.

They're just going to put on a different hat. Exactly. So how do we do this is we build easy to use point of sale systems and wallet integrations which are happening. And then we need a marketplace that's not Silk Road for drugs, but it's Silk Road for food, for basics, for everything that's easy to use. That's how we do it. And we focus on those groups as innovators. I will say this. I've thought a lot about this. Like everybody gets concerned and it's like there's so much drama about who's the latest, most popular. Is it Ian Carroll or who is this? And, you know, I've I've actually I've been on Alex Jones, the thing that we the thing when I was on there got like eight million views.

And I've done a bunch of the shit. And I will tell you this. There's there's no real engagement with any of this. I don't know how much of traffic is numbers are just are fake. I have gotten more engagement from smaller venues, but where it's an engaged audience, where I've had stuff that's gone somewhat viral or somewhat mainstream. And so what? It's an audience of people who are not early adopters. They're not innovators. They're passively listening. And, you know, look, I mean, realistically, how many times do you listen to something, watch something on TV or listen to something and then actually follow up, actually reach out to the person, actually take action? It's just...

It's mostly noise. So I'm not as interested in getting mainstream. Mainstream is not important. In fact, none of this is. There's no proof behind any of this. But I feel like there's a certain degree of outside of innovators, which are two and a half percent of the population and then. early adopters, which is thirteen and a half percent of the population. I think the rest of the people are NPCs and not NPCs in that they you know, you can become an NPC. You can choose to not become an NPC. But unless you become aware of the fact you're an NPC, you're going to be on autopilot as an NPC. So if you want to change anything, then you just need to focus on the innovators. The other people,

when you go through that crossing the chasm phase, other people will just follow along. They'll just do whatever, right? They're not really exercising any judgment. They're just, oh, this is now the popular thing. I'm now going to just do the popular thing. You see this now with MAGA. I'm watching this. It's like, oh, Epstein's bad, but now we're all going to pile on in support of Andrew Tate. What kind of moral... We don't like Nancy Pelosi doing insider trading, but it's okay when Cynthia Loomis owns a half a Bitcoin and then tries to million dollars worth of force taxpayers to buy a million Bitcoin and hold it for twenty years. Which one's worse? Nancy Pelosi's got nothing

on Cynthia Loomis. But people don't want to make a differentiation on the basis of principle. It's all tribal and it's bad if you do it, but it's okay if I do it. And there's no, it's a complete moral relativism, a complete lack of any underpinnings of natural law or any kind of morality. Yeah. If Klaus Schwab says that we're going to have digital IDs, everybody's like the hell I will. But if somebody else comes out and says, we're going to force people to digitally confirm their identity to vote, then all of a sudden everybody's signing up for that app. Well, you'll see these memes.

You'll see a meme that's like, oh, the Democrats. You have to have an ID for this. You have to have an ID for this. You have to have an ID for this, but not for voting. But then the Republicans are going to be... Look, the easiest way to get a digital ID is if Trump does some bullshit immigration thing and says that we need a digital ID to stop illegal immigration. MAGA will fucking join up for it without hesitation. Look, Elon... The identification system, the ID system for X is run by a company with ties to Israeli intelligence. The actual algorithm itself is a social credit system because Elon can tweak. I mean, he tweaks the algorithm. When he didn't like what

people said about immigration, he canceled accounts and changed the algorithm. When he didn't like the fact that two of the mothers of his children were speaking out, he shadow banned them. So this is a situation where it's like, oh, we didn't like the censorship industrial complex, but because Elon agrees at this particular moment in time with some of the things that we think are important, he's a free speech maximalist, even though he's clearly not. He's demonstrated a willingness, and then he even changed the terms and conditions to allow him to be able to do this. Crickets, right? Well, next he's going to be rolling out X payments. People should be very worried about X payments.

And very worried about, I like what he's doing with Doge, but not if it ends up becoming the gateway to technocracy. So yeah, so the problem that I, so this is all about innovators and early adopters and forgetting about the rest. But I do suspect, and I don't even know how to confirm this, that I've noticed this, like, so even within the Liberty group, so I was at Anarchapoco And I don't know if you've watched the... There's an HBO series about it, about Anarchapoco. And it's about, you know, there was a murder, and then there's a whole bunch of drama, and, you know, a whole bunch of stuff happened. And then there are people that are speculating that

the CIA is involved, and the people are trying to say Jeff Berwick is CIA, and then it's just like... Again, it's everybody pointing fingers at everybody else, but there does seem to be a... Like if you are we know that we have an intelligence community that likes to disrupt these things. We know it's documented that the FBI would get involved and infiltrate, whether it's the Black Panthers or whatever. And now we know that most of the counterculture movie movement in the nineteen sixties and even Charlie Manson was basically an MK Ultra project. I mean, we know that they were drugging people with LSD, drugging prostitutes. They were doing all kinds of stuff like this,

infiltrating these movements. So I suspect that once something gets beyond the early adopter phase, that's when people come in and mess with it. I doubt that there's a lot of the CIA Like, originating movements. I just think that they wait predictable point and then until it gets to a come in and divide and conquer. Because it seems like it's very easy to do, by the way. So... I don't know how we got on that Anyway, other than to say that we really have to focus still on early adoption. Can I make a point about Ian and Roger to piggyback off of what you're saying? Yep. There was a phone call on December fourteenth, two thousand ten from Jerry

from Australia. Ian Freeman took the phone call live on Free Talk Live. Roger Ver was listening to this phone call. they were talking about Bitcoin. It was twenty six cents at the time. And so he was really amazed by this just from the freedom point of view. And now if you think about it, for the next decade, Ian was probably the number one guy in the whole world, over two hundred radio stations across the whole country. And I think he had a satellite over Africa to promoting underground marketplaces, Bitcoin, ATMs, um all sorts of uh online um things that um you know where people can use

peer-to-peer marketplaces now I think that put a huge target on his back and um now roger ver was listening to this phone call he got excited about it too and uh so now they're both in prison you know fifteen years later after that phone call but um I think the one thing that Ian was good at is those peer-to-peer marketplaces. They took Ian out and now there's no really way to use Bitcoin or cryptocurrencies effectively right now. So I think that had a lot to do with it. Well, that's actually what I said in my talk,

which is that that is so... Biden's executive order authorized a CBDC and it authorized a crackdown. And when you look at who the purpose of the crackdown was to eliminate competition for CBDCs. So even going back to twenty nineteen through Stephen Neri off, we know that the DOJ was manufacturing extortion cases to get dirt on a list of Liberty Crypto people. The reasoning for this is to shut down the peer-to-peer. This is why my main focus on what I'm doing now is adoption for merchants and consumers and to build a marketplace based on privacy coins. That is the number one strategy that I'm pursuing.

And to that end, we've sponsored the largest tent at Porkfest. And I'm co-hosting this with Doug from Mineratopia. But we're probably going to have the Zeno devs fly from overseas. And my whole goal for this, my whole vision for this Porkfest, and you know if you've heard me talk about this, is I learned about Bitcoin from Roger and from Ian. And when I went to Porkfest in like, twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, I met Eric Voorhees. I met Vitalik before he even created Ethereum. All of that energy for peer to peer digital commerce came out of Porkfest and Liberty Forum, the first ever Bitcoin ATM I used,

I think, in twenty thirteen at Liberty Forum. I want to bring back that energy but with privacy coins so we need to go back to the messaging that roger and ian had we need to bring all of that back and we coins so I want to launch need to do it with privacy in some form karma at porkfest I'm going to onboard people to confidential layer at porkfest I'm going to onboard people to Cake Wallet with Zeno and Monero at Porkfest. We're going to go down to Gora Alley and we're going to onboard merchants because here's the thing. Ian and Roger were incredibly effective, but we are back to fucking square zero. The point of sale systems, a lot of the stuff that Ian set up,

it's gone. The point of sale vendor that Ian was also run by free staters. They left the country at the same time Ian was raided. All of the work that they did was gone. It's dead. And so a bunch of businesses and storefronts that were taking cryptocurrency, it's gone. ATMs now, you know look and again now I wouldn't want any I wouldn't recommend anybody uses a bitcoin atm all of this stuff is kyc aml so I like I didn't even again I I if if you're interested in freedom don't use bitcoin if you want to become an join up for the bitcoin propaganda campaign

but if you're getting involved with bitcoin you're not doing anything to promote freedom you may get a short-term advantage in the accumulation of fiat you may get a better pod when they roll out this other stuff right you may get you know your implant your implant may have a better fake reality created in it but you're not doing anything to promote Voluntary ism or voluntary interactions or stopping the progression of technocracy. I mean, this is just at this point. This is kind of a fact and so So, yeah, so, you know, Roger, the talk that I show everybody that was the first time I heard him talk about it.

he said that that Bitcoin was anonymous. I mean, You know, again, there was the thinking that Bitcoin was anonymous. People weren't thinking about chain analysis in twenty twelve. And now we know better. So so. We we it's the urgency for this now. is that the thing that we thought was going to bring us freedom was hijacked. And then other people having watched and observed what happened with that are building complete surveillance money and surveillance tokenization of all of our assets, all of our stocks, all of our bonds. Everything that we own will be digitized and we'll have the same tracking as CBDCs. So we're worse off than we were. Fourteen years ago. We have less than half a

percent of Americans using cryptocurrency to buy and sell things. And then... And then we have people with all of these again, the propaganda. It's like, oh, it's Gresham's law. So I'm going to spend dollars, but I'm going to hold on to Bitcoin. There's a whole I should do a whole thing of basically demystifying the NPC taglines and memes and culture that is reinforcing what I now call the Bitcoin cult, because, again, it's not it's not going to do us any favors. So we are in a But we can be successful. Again, it's tough. I go places and I have people praying for me. I can't tell you how many people tell me, oh, thank you for what you're doing.

I want to support you, but I follow your tweets, but I'm afraid to share your tweets. And I'm afraid to talk. I just want to be behind the scenes. And you know what? I'm sick of this bullshit. Because look at what Roger, if there were five Rogers, we don't need two to three percent. We need five fucking people with the balls to actually do stuff. The biggest fear might be to advocate for one's own privacy. OK, well, I mean. If your if your privacy solution, if your privacy coins are good enough, you shouldn't worry about it. No, I believe without advocating for any particular privacy coin,

what goes through my mind pretty often is the arguments that the founding fathers had when they wrote the Constitution and then they were arguing whether or not they needed the first ten amendments because they were like, no, if it's not in the Constitution, then we don't need to write it. And some of the wiser guys would say, no, no, if we don't. enumerate this right now then future idiots will give up these rights but I think where they messed up is they didn't actually make the zero amendment privacy because they just took that for granted well they didn't they didn't take it for granted it's the fourth Amendment The problem is that there was an expectation and an

understanding of privacy. It's in the Fourth Amendment. It is a separate thing. I will tell you, part of the problem with all this is I can write all this shit and it doesn't matter because people are so dumbed down. Talking about the Constitution is pointless. The average eighth grader, only twenty-eight percent are proficient at civics. You can't even have a conversation with somebody about the Constitution. They've never heard of it. We're sitting here trying to argue a thing that people have never heard of. But what's been fascinating to me is on this point about privacy. So we didn't have any financial surveillance until nineteen seventy. In nineteen seventy, the Banks Bank Secrecy Act

was passed to help address money laundering and the whole purpose and the whole intention in the hearings and everything at the time. was to stop organized crime. So I started to talk earlier about how I'm sick of people that are like, oh, I want to collect all this data because something went wrong in the last few years. And if we could just get to that restore point, there is no restore point. There is no point at which Like, so we we had financial transaction freedom until nineteen seventy. They implemented the laws to cut down on organized crime. Do you think we have more or less organized crime than we did in nineteen seventy? I mean, the funny thing is people will sit here and say,

we've got to crack down on the cartels. We have the cartels because of the fucking bank secrecy act. So no one ever goes back and says, why do we have this? Oh, it's because of this. Did it work? No. And then rewind all the way to the original sin. And the original sin for financial transactions and surveillance was the Bank Secrecy Act. the Bank Secrecy Act ended up being Now, added on to by the Patriot Act and then actually by COVID era legislation and everything else. And it never gets taken away. The surveillance keeps on ratcheting it up. There is no constitutional basis for any of this financial surveillance. And the problem is, what do people repeat? Because again,

people don't go back to first principles. They don't understand whether it's even the constitution or even the origin of the very thing that they're talking about in a shorter period of time. I just heard somebody parrot, you know, well, it's about stopping drug laundering. It's about stopping money laundering and drugs. And it's like, OK, so objectively, Treasury Department we now know that the basically had no financial controls and denied no transactions and that we were actually sending money through the Treasury to fund terrorist organizations. I don't ever fucking want to hear that. about anybody using cryptocurrency. None of these people are going to go to jail.

None of the people at USAID that are destroying documents are going to go to jail. None of the people that destroyed the CIA, MKUldrich, there is no accountability by government, which is the opposite of the entire intent of government. But here's the thing. We're not going to defeat that by complying with it. Because where we fall way short is a whole bunch of people that are sitting here not realizing they haven't had constitutional rights their entire life, work through the proper channels, thinking they're going to not knowing they're being fucking laughed at by the politicians and the bureaucrats and the elites. So could a tagline for privacy coins be plead the fourth?

because then if people actually did that, Well, no, they'd lose. I just got done watching this movie that Aaron Russo put out. It's this whole thing where he interviews a whole bunch of people about the fact that there really is no legal basis for paying income tax. And this guy even went at the time and interviewed with the IRS commissioner. There were multiple employees that worked for the IRS that ended up hearing about this. And then when they started asking internally for the justification, they didn't get it and then they quit. There's a whole – like, again, it doesn't even – people don't even know what the Fourth Amendment is, but then even if it is blatantly unconstitutional,

but it's just become a practice that just – the practice holds, right? So I don't want to make this a debate about the Constitution because nobody's talking about the Constitution. And by the way, I'm not like – Cult like about the Constitution we can do better after two hundred and fifty years I have been trying to for a long time have a debate or conversation with somebody not just about the Constitution I don't I don't start with the premise that oh, well, we just messed up a little bit with the Constitution Let's go back to the principles that the intent the founding principles as opposed to the founding because the Constitution which is the you know, basically the codification

of the principles but What were they debating and what were they discussing as the fundamental principles undergirding the Constitution? And then let's look at those and ask ourselves if anything has changed in two hundred and fifty years. And by the way, when you go through that exercise and you start thinking about things like AI, you start talking about a whole bunch of things. Even you look at the world was largely dominated by. but from a materialistic perspective, not quantum physics. Well, there are big implications. If your worldview and your world scientific view is around determinism and mechanics and not about being an information-based

world of quantum probability, that actually does affect. Those kinds of things even shift how you might look at Foundational principles. But then when I went through all of this, this is why a big arc that I'm going on now is to is to look at network states where people are getting together now and saying, you know, this whole concept of consent of the governed. I didn't sign up for this shit. You know, we end up we end up being governed by all of this stuff. Did we did we really consent? to this, but with network states, these are cropping up all over the world. And the idea behind it is you get a group of people that actually voluntarily come up with a shared set of rules and a shared

value base that gets codified and then they may go out and buy a physical uh sovereignty somewhere and these things are propping up all over the place but we've never at any point in time had a historical situation where we were actually measuring whether or not or comparing whether government was effective or not for most of history it's been there's a king or it's a feudal system or it's been based on force there really hasn't ever been a a situation. People talk about, oh, well, the whole point of having states is that you have all these different experiments. There are no fucking experiments. Most of the funding is now federal. The amount of leeway that a state has is pretty nominal.

I mean, yes, there are some variations. I mean, California is certainly different than New Hampshire, but not fundamentally when it comes down to big things like entitlements and a whole variety of other things. They're really not... It's like, OK, well, we're the least bad of the colonies. Network states offer the ability to do real experimentation, but also have the ability for people to actually consent and be able to move in and out of different political entities. I'm interested in that. I am not interested in saving America. I actually don't think it makes sense. There's a, I'm reading a book. This guy Sterling Lujan gave me a whole reading list. I love, the guy's brilliant.

And I see him at various points. He's really kind of, he's actually going and visiting these different network states. He's working on a company that actually is building technology that with anonymous communication systems and like voting systems to help enable the creation of network states. And he gave me an interesting book. And I, you know, George, we've seen this kind of personally. I mean, the idea is, Once you get above one hundred and forty people, you know, the organizational structure kind of goes haywire. And and so it's like I mean, I've seen that with companies and it's certainly true with countries. So the idea that we have million people in a in a three hundred and thirty

geopolitical structure is to me idiotic. We don't need. So on the one hand, technocracy is moving towards one world government. I think we need a million different governments. We need to be not even just splitting into states. We need to be splitting even further than that. And actually having true consent and truly engaged people in what they're doing. Now, how to do all that and everything, I certainly don't have. I have a million times more questions than answered. But where I don't want to spend time is with some bullshit idea that we're going to restore the Constitution. Or some bullshit idea that saving America is even an important concept. These are all attachments and fear and legacy

bullshit that makes no sense. It is a complete waste of time. So I think the opportunity is pretty large here. And what I mean by that is there's a segment of the population that doesn't believe in a two-party system. But recently, one of those third parties kind of latched on to a MAGA movement because friends of theirs were gonna be freed, Epstein client list was gonna be targeted, and maybe we end a whole bunch of nonsense secretary positions and cabinet things such as Department of Ed,

and maybe even we get rid of the Fed, right? Or maybe we get rid of IRS. These are all carrots, from my opinion, that are being dangled. among people that are still willing to believe that they can have faith in a currency and faith in a government. Oh, it's a complete distraction. It's a complete waste of time. One of the things that I said early on, the CBDC risk, which I'm going to call stable coins of CBDC, is a ten times bigger problem right now than it was six months ago. And even libertarians are fucking clueless. The argument I want to make is the liberty movement is

moving towards privacy coins. And I would not be surprised if with a couple of key connections, ex Bernie bros would join that. Well, again, I don't even think that it's a political movement necessarily. I actually think that it's, people that are if you're in health freedom if you're in food freedom if you're in an industry where the industry has already been attacked by the government you've already been debanked those are our people people that are bought into the two-party system or even the three-party system those are not innovators None of those people are innovators. Again, we're going after two and a half percent. It's an even smaller percentage of that because

half percent of the United States. it's not even two and a In fact, if you start looking at network states, the other way that I'm thinking about this now is like, I don't even care. My goal is not to come up with a better system for everyone. It's to come up with a system that, that I, you know, I don't even know if I could find a hundred and forty people that I would want to be in a, in an actual voluntary community with. And by the way, there's a whole other, I started talking about this because this is part of these events that I've been going to. There are a lot of intentional communities and a whole bunch of other stuff. And I will say that most of from an intentional community,

the time I meet somebody it's because they got kicked out of it. Um, or, or because it basically turned into like communism. Like there's a whole bunch of like repeat things that happen with these structures that there's, there's, there's a, well, we don't like the way society works. So we're going to go off and we're going to form our own thing, but we're not going to study the historical organizational structures or how governance works. And so we're going to basically make mistakes that are ten times worse than the thing that we just left. I see. There's no more Utahs to migrate to, right? Well, well, well, but or people are shifting. And, you know, again,

there's stuff going on in Honduras, there's stuff in Singapore, they actually I met the president of Liberland, he wants me to go speak at, at Liberland, there's there's stuff going on all over the place. And then depending upon the situation, you know, again, you got to get out of the historical nation state thing and think about well, if we if these things are really small, like, you know, You've got one hundred and fifty people. You got one hundred forty people, fifty people. And but it's not like you're segregated from the rest of society. It's not like you don't interact with the rest of society. The other part of this is like, oh, you got to be either Amish or Little House on the

Prairie or some kind of cult thing like that. It's like, no, I like I would I don't even want to be a part. I might want to be in in twenty different network states and move in and out. um there you we've got to liberate ourselves from the thinking of of how all of this stuff works because none of it works fiat currency has a zero percent success rate there's nothing that supports the idea that we're gonna fix america and people get so attached to it and I'm so sick of it because they're just lazy and haven't thought about what the hell is going on there is no reason like like we don't realize how badly people in the United States have succumbed to propaganda.

It is probably as bad here or worse than it is in China. We have literally people going around saying, we're the freest country in the world, we're the best country in the world. And when you look at the objective data, we're not the first in the world in any meaningful category, health, education, we're not even first in innovation. We're like eighteenth in freedom of speech. We're like shit. Objectively, the only thing that we're top in is defense spending and incarceration rate. So I want you to think about that when you see that people are like patriotic about America being the best country and the freest country. There's absolutely no information to back that up.

That's how propagandized we've become. And by the way, the more you start looking into this, it's kind of like, yeah, we're actually the bad guys. Like, you know, I've recently started looking at as this stuff has been unveiled about not only MKUltra, but I watched a movie called, I think, Coup d'etat or something like that. And I hadn't really followed any of this, but we were heavily involved in manipulating the government of the Congo. even sending Louis Armstrong and very famous jazz musicians to push propaganda campaigns in the Congo because the Congo was actually a major source of uranium. And it turns out that there's that famous scene

of Khrushchev in front of the UN, you know, banging his shirt saying, or his shoe saying, we will bury you. And that isn't even what he was saying at all. Like that's been... that was not even the context at all. He was not threatening to bury the United States or the other members of the United Nations. There's a whole history of what went on with the Congo that we weren't even on the right side of. Like our foreign policy, like again, when you really strip it back, it is embarrassing. We're like, we're actually the bad guys. We are currently actively the bad guys. So when I see people say, We're going to make America great. This is a form of collectivism. Even this patriotism.

Am I supposed to hate somebody in Canada? Am I supposed to hate Chinese people? Am I supposed to rally Right. around the fact that our goal is to have our debt based fiat currency with the central bank middleman? We want ours to be better than these other countries. And am I supposed to wear a fucking shirt and a jersey and flop a flag around with that? Am I supposed to be cheering on, you know, levying more taxes on on another country because we're better than other people because we use taxation? Like like actually the whole basis in the idea of patriotism is is is offensive. And by the way, what we're being duped into

with MAGA is like and again, it's just it's just people sheep following. But what people are actually following here is is is atrocious by what by what we're doing. And so like I don't even want to get engaged in the concept. I don't want any energy. There's no value in putting energy towards saving America when you actually understand what America is and what you understand what patriotism is. But I'll tell you, it's getting worse by the day because I'm looking at this and I'm like, Jesus Christ, what are these guys? What's actually going on here? I mean, really? We're going to commercialize Gaza? We're going to annex Greenland? Oh, now we're giving the Panama Canal to

BlackRock? Whatever team that is, I'm not on that team. But people just have to be on a fucking team, right? Well, which pedophile network do you like? Are you an Epstein American or are you an Andrew Tate American? But you got to pick one. You can't be against both. You have to pick one. It's all bullshit. But the people that engage in picking in these manufactured choices, these are the NPCs. These are the people that I'm telling you that they'll follow anything. They'll follow Epstein one day. They'll follow Tate the other. If your thing becomes legitimately the thing, they'll follow your thing. But there's no point in spending time

trying to convince an NPC because you only have a finite amount of time and resources to convince people. So if you're wasting your time on people that have so many layers of programming that you have to actually strip through, you have to have a ninety hour conversation just to get to the point where somebody realizes that, oh, hey, maybe taxes aren't the price that we pay to live in a civilized society. Right. Like if there's a And where people misinterpret this is they say, well, that means you don't care about these people. No, moron. It means that you actually have to use your time efficiently and that you're competing in a marketplace where other people are

actually pushing a global technocracy. And you have to be efficient with respect to time and resources and how you get your idea adopted. But if you're sitting there saying, oh, I feel compassionate because well, gee, this guy's a moron. But if I if I only spend nine months with him instead of, you know. eight or whatever, then maybe he'll be convinced that you're absolutely going to fail. It's just a complete lack of strategy. So anyway, that's my soapbox on that. But getting out of this America, the patriotism thing is really dangerous. So let me repeat that back to you so I'm clear. It's not that you're anti an American

It's that you don't believe that people should be stuck into some kind of box that then forces them to choose between a WEF digital ID and some nationalistic ID. And they shouldn't have to choose between being an Epstein pedo or a pro alpha male Andrew Tate pedo? Yeah, I'm against collectivism. Patriotism is a form of collectivism. So yeah, I'm actually for more of the

maximization of free will and our ability to exercise our free will to make choices. Technocracy takes away free will completely because it puts into the hands of scientists and engineers making all of our decisions for us. And I did mention at the beginning of this that where I disagree with Elon Musk is that he reasons but his first principles from first principles, are Newtonian physics and materialism. Well, if those are your first principles, then the natural endpoint of that is technocracy. But if we live in a world where consciousness is primary, where it is about probabilities and information, then you're going to have a completely different outcome. So I want to maximize

people's ability to exercise their own free will choices. Technocracy is the opposite of that, which is why it remains the number one threat. The nationalism is actually a is a ruse and it's all bullshit. All of these things are manufactured. Right. China is not the enemy. If if we're doing joint biological weapons research with somebody, they're not our enemy. It's just show. I mean, it's kind of like in, you know, in nineteen eighty four. Right. It's like people will believe a Completely manufactured war. Or it's like wag the dog. I mean, people will actually buy whatever. And that's necessary to keep

people in fear and to keep people compliant. All of these things. Like we're not against Russia. We're not against China. All of these are members of the UN. All of these are members that are working towards vaccine passports and other global systems. And so we're sitting here saying, oh, yeah, we're going to be engaged in a hot war with China. No, it's just more theater. And look, again, I don't know why it baffled me that Trump I'd still say it. It's still true. The least amount of freedom I've ever had in my entire life was under Trump and Republicans in twenty twenty. And people like to say, well, it's an asterisk because of covid. But I would argue that his

trade wars with China actually probably are what led to the release of covid. So this isn't something that happened to him. This is something he caused. And we got more surveillance. the WEF agenda did real well under Trump. I mean, But the interesting thing about the WEF is like, okay, Klaus Schwab and Yuval Harari, they're academics. They're fucking useless. They're not actually capable of doing anything. Musk is capable of doing something. Our AI czar is capable of doing something. And the thing that they're trying to do is the same thing that Klaus Schwab was trying to do. But you wrap a different container around it and then people are cheering for it. But we're wasting so much time.

Again, politically, I don't even, I mean, looking at this now and it's kind of like, we're not releasing the Epstein. What do we think? Do we think Epstein is partisan and that there are no Republicans involved? The entire system of Washington, D.C. runs on mutual blackmail. And I was saying earlier about conspiracy, kind of like I had the conspiracy to commit defamation thing. And Ian Freeman has conspiracy to commit money laundering, even though the money laundering charge was dropped. Based on how that works, all of Washington, D.C. should be charged with conspiracy to commit sex trafficking and treason. Literally, that would be a fair application But here's what's going to happen.

of the law. It's mutually assured destruction. So they first release redacted documents that we all had access to publicly five years ago. The next thing is they brought out that whatever that other woman lawyer is, And she's saying, well, you know, it's going to take time. We need to focus on convictions. So the next bullshit that we're going to get is they can't release the information because it's part of an ongoing investigation. And by the way, that, along with conspiracy, is one of the other just easy layup and runs around the Constitution. Because, you know, Nick Fuentes, who has lost all of his bank accounts and then actually even had some

Bitcoin stolen from him. He's never been charged with anything. But when he goes to try to get these things done, he's like, oh, it's still an ongoing investigation. They have no obligation to provide you information about the investigation and they can keep the investigation open indefinitely. That is what we're about to get. We are about to get all of the bullshit that we got under Trump about, you know, all of the Q, there's going to be ten days of darkness. oh, They're rounding up all the pedophiles. All of the bullshit that people bought and got pushed and the goalposts moved and moved and moved. This is the new theater with Epstein. It's, oh, well, we can't release this

because it's an ongoing investigation. And prosecutions are coming imminently. There will never be any prosecutions. they'll just use it to threaten their No, adversaries to vote their way on this, that, or the other thing. I mean, again, Thomas Jefferson had things to say about this. I mean, we are at a point where the government is so far removed. So then there are other people, though, that I'll talk to. And they're like, they don't like Doge. And, you know, I don't like Doge because it might become technocracy, but I like Doge because the only way you're going to uncover this stuff is to get a bunch of autistic twenty year olds that haven't had the their life

drained from them and haven't gone through the indoctrination. I mean, that's kind of like the first company that we worked on. Right. I still haven't been able to achieve the amount of productivity that we had with seven people. And that was, you know, thirty years ago almost. And so that's the, but there are people like, well, you have to, you have to follow the constitution. It's like, none of this stuff is operating within the constitution. And so now the constitution has just become something that solidifies the concealment of information and makes it so that, I mean, again, you know, it's kind of like Edward Snowden, you know, if you can't, the fact that the government is committing

illegal acts against its citizens, that's not the problem. It's the fact that somebody talked about it. And that metaphor, I mean, that works across the board. We have a complete and total culture of this. This is why it's like the amount of time being spent trying to fix this when no one can lay out to me any historical precedent where you've done a turnaround or even a path of why it makes sense. I mean, we've got Doge's cutting money and then the house is actually reauthorizing the spending that was just cut. I mean, so it's pointless. So agreed. All right. It's pointless. So if the goal is to have a separation of money and state,

then that would probably transfer to a separation of money and network states. So Privacy, I'm not trying to shill for any particular platform right now, but at some point, there needs to be something that allows groups of a hundred and forty if they want to be that small or they want to be a larger network state to transact with other individuals globally without much government interaction. I think the point behind this is network states can do whatever they want, that you can provide tools to them.

But look, there's another argument. And this is where you get this from the BSV type crowd that says, and I'll say why it won't work here, but not that it won't work ever. There's something that says, well, if everybody's transparent and everything's transparent, then maybe that's the ideal case scenario. There are actually there's a libertarian argument to be made about that. Where there's not an argument is that you're going to be able to convince a government like the United States to apply transparency to itself. It will never happen because it is an existential threat to the power and the corruption that's built into the system. But you might be able to start something out.

If people wanted to have something where everything was open and transparent and they voluntarily agreed to that, then that's fine, right? Again, there's no... imposition of particular rules. If if you want to consent to be a part of something like this, then you can consent to be a part of something like this. There doesn't there doesn't have to be one. And, you know, one of the things that I've struggled with. Is I struggle with even the idea of maximalism with crypto in general, but it just it's a head scratcher for me on the idea that you have people that are thinking, oh, there can only be one currency. First of all, there's never only been one currency. But the only people that are

actually advocating for one currency are the technocrats. And they want a global currency that's backed by energy credits. Why do we think that the best way to compete with a global energy credit-based system is to have a monolithic single currency? Ironically, it's to have a system that's backed by energy usage. Yes. I mean... It is a technocratic system, actually. And as it's been kind of leveled. I don't have any answers to what So, again, I'm saying is we need a lot of experimentation and not even in my goal isn't that, oh, I'm going to come up with her. I want to work on the thing that's going to be the thing that everybody uses.

I don't believe in the concept. of trying to find the thing that everybody uses. I think that the whole basis of it, and if you're actually maximizing free will, and you're actually pursuing this in a way that is centered around that, that you aren't looking for monolithic solutions. And so we've somehow found ourselves in a position where we have pseudo libertarians pushing for maximalism and a single digital currency that ironically is trackable. How's that for a PSYOP? What upcoming bills going through the House or the Senate do you think are going to have the greatest effect one way or the other

on privacy coins? So the stable bill in the House, which I'm going to talk about on Thursday, and the genius bill in the Senate, those are the two big ones. In fact, I'm waiting for those even on karma. The big gating item for karma is not technical. It's legal because I don't want to issue a stable coin because the whole definitions of stable coins are actually pegged to fiat currency, which I find that to be a an amazing bit of propaganda inherently like what like how is something that's tied to fiat considered stable but that is the way that these things are all written is if something

meets the definition of a stable coin that it is something that's backed by by fiat currency or by treasuries which is why you know I'm waiting to see the implications uh around privacy which there are some things in there but they don't necessarily affect so for instance the senate bill will allow for Tether because, interestingly, the bills only apply to currencies issued within the United States. So there's a carve-out for Tether in the Senate bill, but there's not a carve-out for Tether in the House bill. And so it's going to be interesting to see how all of that works. But all of it references KYC, AML, and the Bank Secrecy Act. So surveillance is one hundred percent

part of these stable coins. So when I see people talking about, we're going to be the world leader in stable coins. And then I'm looking on Twitter and people are like celebrating this and these posts are completely boosted up. I'm like, how, how, how retarded are you? If Klaus Schwab said that you, people would be like, Oh, we're going to have a, you know, we're going to have a, you know, tea party style town hall. But, but people see a politician, nobody reads these bills. and people are walking headfirst they're cheering these stable coin bills think about just from a very basic perspective the bitcoin white paper was about peer-to-peer digital cash with no third parties

the whole point about this is a way for people to transact without central banks and without central authorities now the number one use case that people are cheering for is a centralized programmable digital token that is backed by fiat currency. This is the antithesis of crypto. There could not be a bigger L and a bigger strategic divergence. And so it's mind boggling to me. But the problem is, you know, a year ago, people were really concerned about CBDCs. I mean, we had people lined up. I would write an article. I'd get hundreds of emails and people were really interested about this. Nobody is worried about CBDCs and nobody's worried

about stable coins, even though the risks right now are much greater than they ever were. And I'm going to work on, well, we'll see what happens with the next article and the podcast on Thursday. So ironically, you were in D.C. prior to this election, and neither RFK or Trump signed your anti-CBDC pledge, but they've come out with talking points about it, and now it looks like they're just going to push it down to, for lack of a better term, national banks as opposed to central banks. Yeah, and again, you don't care, I don't care.

Look, who's the worst actor, Jerome Powell or Jamie Dimon? I mean, to be honest with you, Jerome Powell hasn't done that much to me. Jamie Dimon has fucking canceled bank accounts and done a whole bunch of other things. That wasn't dictated by the Federal Reserve. So and of course, the largest owner of the Federal Reserve is JPMorgan Chase. But Trump doesn't talk about any. I don't even know if Trump understands it. Somebody asked, where can you find the articles that I'm writing? You can find them at brownstone.org. And that's actually where I primarily publish my stuff. And then Zero Hedge picks up about half of them. But Brownstone is definitely the place.

And if you go to daylightfreedom.org, we have the articles linked there as well. In fact, daylightfreedom.org is probably a better place to go just because... you're going to get links to all the articles, all the podcasts, all of the interviews that I've done, and then all the events. So that's going to be probably the best place moving forward. But yeah, no, RFK wouldn't sign. And I will tell you that here's another thing. There are a lot of people who say to me, oh, why don't you go to Congress and testify on this? There's a... There's a naive belief that people in Congress are persuaded by information. And that is not how government works.

And I'm not going to indulge people's ignorance about the reality of how government works. Everything is pay to play, bribery or blackmail. It doesn't matter. There's no Mr. Smith goes to Washington. There's no I go circulate my book in Washington, D.C. and people read it. There's no money in it. So I understand this because I've spent a lot of time in politics. I'm not going to waste time on this just because other people don't understand how politics works. There is no political solution. This is an exit and build solution. So I'm not going to be testifying in front of Congress. I'm not going to be trying to persuade any of these people. No, they wouldn't sign the anti-CBDC pledge.

And part of the reason that... Vivek was close to signing. And in fact, I met with him right before the Iowa caucus and then the New Hampshire primary was going to be right after that. And so I was trying to get him to sign it before the primary, but he had dropped out. But where his issue was, what I had said was... in the pledge, not only are you against CBDCs, but if a CBDC is pushed. So in other words, what I was trying to get these guys to sign up for was this isn't just you making a campaign promise for votes. You really believe in the threat of CBDCs. So if Biden or Harris were to push a CBDC,

your reaction to that would be to promote ditching the dollar and moving to crypto gold and silver. That was the second part of the pledge. And libertarian candidates, most of the libertarian candidates signed it. Joe Exotic was going to sign it. He was running for president. And I think maybe there were some other independent that signed it. This is why I knew they were bullshit. But this was the issue. Because if you're really against CBDCs, if you're saying all these things that CBDCs are bad, but you're not willing... to use your clout to tell people to ditch the dollar, to actually exercise your choice as a consumer to exit the system to stop it, you're going to be okay

with complying with tyranny, then none of these people are serious. But look, RFK is a joke. We're certainly getting off topic here but look at this so this is a guy oh you know the whole thing's about vaccines and what has he done he actually has put out a press release about anti-semitism and then he did a photo op eating french fries from steak and shake that were actually pre-cooked in in seed oils I mean wait it wasn't beef tallow because I was about to go to five guys to try those fuckers well it's not five guys it's steak and shake and so it's it's no they're pre- Made in soybean oil. And then they cook them in beef tallow. But the point is it's not. There's a pre-step that

still involves seed oils. So this dumb fuck is out there. With a photo op. Eating french fries that were pre-cooked in seed oils. So like. Again look. This is a perfect example. And I would talk about this. Because I'm passionate about public health. And the fact that it is a death cult. And it has always been a death cult. It's always been about eugenics. It's always been about population control. There's no golden age of public health. And RFK is like, we have to get all this information out here so we can restore integrity. There is no integrity to restore. It is a complete delay game. And by the way, I think over ninety percent of academic studies haven't been validated.

And so it's basically a bunch of academic jerk offs with paper, with alternating studies that have never been validated. This is why public health should not exist. And I wrote a tweet about that, but it's like, this is why to go back to the whole point of why Politics doesn't matter these people aren't even solving the right problem RFK is Talking about forcing companies forcing coke to use sugar instead of fructose corn syrup Okay, first of all, the reason coke uses fructose corn syrup is because of government subsidies Government corn subsidies which have totaled over a hundred billion dollars over the last couple of decades That's the source of the

problem RFK is not solving the problem Just like he claims he's trying to actually solve things at the root level. He actually thinks government solves problems Government created the problems. He's not addressing the subsidies So now it's some asshole going in with government power Telling somebody telling the corporation what they can and cannot do. What does that do? That sets a great precedent the next time we may agree with him on this now the next time somebody is in there when Fauci is the head of HHS, then what he's going to mandate is Coke has to use cricket powder instead of instead of sugar. All he's doing is reinforcing and solidifying

government control over public health, which is a fundamentally stupid idea. And he is completely wrong in his belief of government. So I'm not a fanboy. I actually think he's he is a joke. And unfortunately what he's done, because a lot of these Maha people talk about being about health choice, but really they're okay with... They don't like the fact that certain things were forced on them, but if it's their guy, they're okay with him forcing things on others. And it's all bullshit. So that's why I don't even want to play with this. It's all going to be a letdown because people aren't dealing with... Nobody is dealing with a root problem. What is Trump's theory? We're going to have...

The dollar is the global reserve currency. How is he going to fix this? What's his strategy? Tariffs? So can we go back to Maha for a second? And so just like there are a bunch of people that were very engaged because they heard the rally call about the lawfare that the Biden administration was doing. And then with a couple of sound bites of Trump saying he's anti-central bank digital currency, they've let their guard down and gone back to focusing on their day-to-day lives. Should people that,

I'm just going to pick something, like people that are pro-raw milk, Should they let their guard down because of Maha or should they be extra engaged right now to make sure that Maha and the current administration doesn't create a situation where they've set a precedence for government control of health and even if for a short period of time they're allowed to operate with impunity that they've not actually set themselves up to be imprisoned in the future. They should be participating in marketplaces using privacy coins and exiting the system.

There's no, there's no like green light for, for raw milk. like nothing's changed on It's not like, the raw milk front. In fact, like again, this is the thing. And by the way, there's a deep, there's a, The Maha movement is struggling right now because for most of the Maha movement, the issue was vaccines. And there is very much a belief or an understanding, actually, that vaccines cause autism. And so the idea that the vaccines have not been pulled from the shelves. And I've seen some really top people in there. They're like, we're killing fucking children. And you want to wait and get

a study commission. You're going to go out and eat French fries, you know, pre-cooked in seed oils. You're going to put out a press release about anti-Semitism. Right. I would say a dominating issue for Maha is vaccines. And what do we have? Trump never. back down from warp speed. He thinks it's his crowning achievement. And now we have Operation Stargate in a five hundred billion dollar investment from SoftBank, Oracle and OpenAI, part of which is to push mRNA vaccines like like Maha is getting their ass kicked on their big issue. All of the other stuff is actually photo ops. I mean, I look at the pictures of RFK today

and it's like this dude should be on The View. it's a joke and almost to the point where it's like blink twice if you know if you're in trouble because what what happened to this guy right like like it's it's almost like it's almost like massad has blackmail pictures on them and they pulled them out you know what I mean like seriously so the other problem with this and and I know some of these people that are involved in this they've never been involved in politics before And so what happens is when people get political power, they're like, they buy into, and I've posted some of these things too. everybody should watch Yes I swear to God, Minister and Yes Prime Minister because this show

is entirely about the battle between elected politicians and the administrative state. But in Brit style, classical Brit style from like the eighties or nineties, not today, they have some phrases and some back and forth and some banter that actually accurately summarizes exactly what's going on today. And there are a whole bunch One episode may be battling of different episodes. the Department of Education. The other is battling the Endowment for the Arts. The other is battling the military, right? And they basically just show Generally, the administrative state, there's a little bit of play back and forth, but generally the administrative state dominating over the politicians,

and when they do agree, it's to the detriment of the citizens, But the phrases that they right? use sum up exactly what's going on here. Well, the problem is, and I've shared some of these videos, it's kind of like, There's a military conflict. It's like, well, there's nothing we can do about it. Or maybe we should do something about it. And then, well, it's too late. And there's a four-step excuse-making process for why not to do something. And there are a whole bunch of these. like little interchanges. And you can apply that today. So we're seeing this with Maha. So these people have never had political power before and they're buying into these. I actually will find it.

Start talking about something else. I actually want to find it. Bring up something else. I want to find this. Well, to your point right here, I mean, you've run quite a few campaigns and you've probably gotten like, at least seventy five people elected in different states of government. And I would question how many of those you would still support. And one of the things that I witnessed, you know, maybe you can back me up on this, is that you would find somebody that was gung ho about a specific issue that actually affected him or his business or his family personally and that

was their mantra when they were elected and they got in there and then also all of a sudden just like a freshman quarter uh you know football player that was then on the varsity team they you know the the seniors that were already in office would be like yeah yeah that's a great play we're gonna run your play but first you gotta run some of our plays and then that guy would run all their plays he would vote their way and then finally when it was time for him to run his play they would all fall back and let him just get creamed by the opposition Yeah, I mean, so I got involved in politics because of Obamacare.

And so I spent a lot of time in New Hampshire trying to oppose Medicaid expansion, which was part of Obamacare. And to the point of supporting candidates who signed a pledge that they would oppose Obamacare in all of its forms, including Medicaid expansion. And so a lot of people that are elected today, I backed and funded, and we did a lot of work with their campaigns on the basis of them signing that pledge. And now fast forward to today, they're actually co-authors of bills making the Medicaid expansion permanent. And so people talk about the Overton window or whatever, but I've seen it. I started to look at New Hampshire politics again, and I looked at this, I'm like,

you guys have cemented every all of the law was on everything that we were fighting ten years ago and you're now working on that doesn't matter I'm not even going to engage in this anymore but it's it's very predictable um what what happens throughout the process and I think one of the other points that you made is it's kind of like there's not a this is a problem with the liberty movement they're actually so it's interesting when we start talking about network states but there is this is true from just experiencing different liberty communities. There is a lack of accountability and a lack of private dispute resolution. And usually what happens is it boils over so bad that

the state actually has to get involved. Because there's an unwillingness or an inability for the community to self-correct, which is one of these conundrums, which is for voluntary interaction. But why is it that in all of these communities that supposedly have these principles that are around voluntary interaction, people violate the fundamental ideas behind it, fundamental morality, and it ends up getting to the point where it's such a shit show the state has to get involved. So, and again, I don't have an answer to that other than to say that is an ongoing problem, which is that the state isn't great, but why don't we do things voluntarily?

Why is it that, you know, we talk about like consumer reports or whatever, and we don't need regulation, but yet, you know, Who's analyzing rug pulls? Who's providing the private information? Where's the marketplace of people that are trying to protect people from clear and blatant scams? I would imagine that your audience is ahead of the curve on a lot of the things that you're discussing. Unfortunately, being too early is sometimes worse than being too late. I mean, I can't tell you how many people I know that were early to Bitcoin and questioned, not even knowing that it was hijacked.

But when they first started hearing about Bitcoin, a hundred thousand, they're like, oh, it's going to be such a scam if it gets to a hundred thousand. It's supposed to be digital cash. It's not supposed to be digital gold. And now we're at a point where they hit the hundred thousand. And it hasn't topped it much. It just keeps going down as more and more boomers are buying it through you know, some broker that's pushing it as one of the many things that they're trying to sell them on, not for the upside, but just for the transaction fees. So, you know, one of the things that I recently had somebody that I was telling about, you know, Bitcoin and digital currencies and that sort of

thing back in twenty fourteen. And of course, now that Bitcoin looks cheap to this individual, She was asking me should I buy in now and I said slots are more fun And her reply was I lost two hundred last weekend on slots. So I mean obviously not an investor and I just don't even know where to advise people at this point because so with that said I believe that anybody that's listening to this podcast right now is ahead of the curve. And unfortunately, sometimes it's not that advantageous to be ahead of

the curve unless you're in it for the great, great grandchildren you're never going to meet. And you realize that not everything we can do now is going to be number go up. but if you're in it for the principle and, uh, one of the things I heard you touch on earlier was first principles, then, you know, if you have a chance, I know, uh, G. Edward Griffin, uh, not only has put out, you know, books about, uh, the creature from Jekyll Island and another book that most people don't know about, about the value of, uh, you know, B-seventeen and how that might, uh, help people that are

fighting the big C. I'm trying not to get anything banned on any channels here. But also, I believe that he was working on something about first principles. And so regardless, if somebody is just saying, okay, I believe that privacy coins are something that I should help nurture. But because privacy coins aren't number go up, then how much am I going to throw towards my principles? And if I'm going to throw it towards my principles, what should some of those first principles be so I can have faith in myself and the future?

I mean, for me, and this is actually going to be, I'm going to be going more into some of the daylight stuff. stuff on, on consciousness and, and which is the stuff I was doing before COVID, which I think is more important because all of the rest of this is actually you trying to fix these things. Like even fixing the money is, is not going to fix, actually, it isn't going to fix things if, if, if morality isn't fixed. And I see knowing Dan's on there. I know that Mark Posse is an interesting guy and he's doing a shadow work workshop and he's been pounding his head for the last two decades trying to help people with this, try to help people understand natural law, help people understand that

the only thing that we can do is actually change our own thoughts, our own actions, our own emotions. That is it. That is all that is under our control. That is the most important thing to do. All of the rest of it is secondary. People that are trying to figure out how to maximize fiat currency. I don't even care about that because again, fiat currency for what purpose, you know, privacy coins, well, the number can go up with privacy coins. But again, is the purpose, maximizing fiat, what are you actually trying to do? I've gotten to the point where I only work on things that I believe in and that I want to see in the world. So I'll give you this example. I said earlier that we don't

need two or three percent. We need five people like Roger Like if five or ten of us stood up and went all in, that's all it would take because everybody else is so fucking passive, like completely passive. Almost nobody does anything. And watching people just follow without any consideration, like it's almost everyone. It's so few people that can make a difference. It's like a handful of people. Let me dig into that with you. If a merchant right now was listening to this podcast, and let's say they have a sandwich shop, let's say they have any kind of retail location. And they're paying thirty percent to or they're

probably paying seventy five percent to Groupon because, you know, you sell it for half and then Groupon gets about half of that. So and then if you're dealing with Uber Eats, you're giving up a minimum of thirty percent and all the coupons you run, any of the Facebook promos you run, if they were to actually say, If you come in and purchase my product at full price, I'll give you, I'm just throwing out a number here, twenty percent back in a privacy coin that you can then use with me in the future. Then could that be a way that they could onboard people and, you know, build customer loyalty?

So a lot of this, I don't want to get things to get complex. And so these, to me, the fastest way, and the reason that I'm working on karma is because after a couple of years of going around the country and talking to merchants and talking to people and trying to onboard people, what I've determined the pain point is, is that merchants are don't can't deal with the volatility of the price of crypto even if it if it goes up forty percent one month down forty percent another month uh it's great that it goes up forty percent one month but if it goes down based on their margins they can't make payroll so this is actually a gating issue for a merchant to even want to take cryptocurrency and so

what ends up happening is they will want to convert to a stable coin. But even that doesn't solve their problem because merchants are aware of the fact that the dollar has lost thirty percent of its purchasing power since twenty twenty. So in particular, the people that are most being damaged and that have been actually crushed since covid are small business owners. To me, the best deployment strategy to get people onboarded is to use Karma, which is a gold backed token that they can actually redeem for physical gold. So we'll actually hold value better and it's more stable than a stable coin or than fiat. But more importantly, is to actually connect merchants to one another.

so that you're building a network and a marketplace where merchants can start creating an ecosystem buying from one another. I actually think that's the best way to get this distributed. So now all of a sudden you have a bunch of merchants that are receiving a goldback privacy coin and now they can start using that amongst others in the network. But the network doesn't have to be geographically based. So it's important. This is why it's important to build a marketplace because everybody's about local, but I've seen local tried and, and there are some challenges with that, but there's, there's nothing to say that you can't have somebody selling raw milk to somebody, uh, to,

you know, a guy that's selling, uh, grass fed beef. And so where you're actually doing trade and it, and it isn't localized that actually can be done using, um, uh, escrow accounts and a whole bunch of other things. And so this is why, this is how I got to that. I, cause because I've tried the other things, adding, adding too much complexity is, is, is not going to work just because it's hard to teach people even how to download, um, And so I'm talking about, first, I'm talking about people that are in, the guy that owns the raw milk farm is probably somebody that's also into health freedom and is probably buying supplements from somebody like Mike Adams, who's interested in this as well,

the health ranger who does massive volume, right? So you start connecting a together and then their couple of these people networks are the early adopters. And so it ends up being probably about a dozen people to two dozen categories of merchants that are themselves in categories that are innovative because of the nature of whether it's where they are ideologically or direct interference that they've had with the government, getting those people to work together and trade with one another and then to refine the tools so that it then becomes easier because the tools need refinement. before it's going to be easy. I don't want to fuck it. Look, I don't care about normies for early adoption.

And I'm going to say this another time. It is a waste of time to spend any time on normies or mass market when you are in the early phase, because all you're going to end up doing is doing technical support and dealing with a lot of bullshit where if you just did the sequencing properly, and work with innovators and started to build the thing out and make it easier, then the normies can come on because it's brain dead easy because the tools are as easy to use as the other things that they've been doing. But I'm going to be adamant about not wasting time on normies because people, and it happens all a lot of time. People are like, oh, this is scary. I'm worried because my

grandmother's not gonna be, I don't want people that I so let me repeat back to know- All right, you what I think I'm hearing. So if somebody is listening to this podcast and they're getting it, for lack of a better term, then anybody that wants to create a B to B marketplace should reach out to you right away. And anybody that wants to create a B to C marketplace, a business to customer, should also get involved with you. But they might wanna first focus on business to business, B to B? It's one marketplace. It's just that it's likely to be the business owners buying from one another,

B to C. It isn't a B to B, this isn't like a supply chain issue or something like that. It's just getting people that are early adopters together. And yeah, you can reach out to me, but what I'm probably going to do is I'm gonna have an invitation only event in October with two dozen people that are the most influential people in these categories to get together and brainstorm how to do this and how to cross-pollinate. I'm not going to be able to field a lot of individual stuff and the product still has to be built. There's a series of underlying tech things that have to happen.

in order to make that happen. But I do want to say a couple of things. There are a couple of comments here. Cryptocurrency theories stated a couple of things that I think are really, really interesting. And I don't know if I'm going to put it in this next article, but I do want to talk about it, which is he says that I think Trump coin on Solana was a clear indication that that shit is only going to get worse for Americans. I agree. I've talked to somebody who's like, oh, it's great that that now we're doing meme coins because that means that we're going to be entering an era of deregulation. I think that's bullshit. And let me tell you why. So basically. The average person.

okay if you're an average person you can participate and buy lottery tickets you can participate in things that are have such a low payout potential that they're illegal for private citizens to do you're able to participate in the lottery which actually has such a low payout that it's it wouldn't even be allowed in a casino because it's that much of a rip-off lotteries are so bad that they disproportionately hurt poor people And I saw some stat, I'm going to be wrong on it, but it was something like in poor depressed areas, people spend as much as five percent of their income on lottery tickets. So here's the thing. You can buy lottery tickets. And now because of Trump coin,

now you're going to be able to participate in in meme coins. Well, here's the problem with that. You say, oh, that's a big win. Right. Well, OK, so I'm not saying gambling should be illegal at all. But here's what you can't do. You can't buy stock in a fucking company that actually has real potential to generate a ten thousand times return. You can't invest in open AI at the seed stage. You can't invest in Tesla. You can't invest in any company that could have a genuine return because that's all regulated. And the only people that can invest in that are high net worth people. And it's all done through the SEC and it doesn't protect a single investor. If they were concerned about

protecting investors and people from getting ripped off, they wouldn't have fucking lotteries and they wouldn't allow meme coins. because people lost more money on Trump coin and Melania coin and everything else that I actually got to look at that. I wonder what the relative loss is on mean coins between Malay and, and Melania and Trump versus the total amount of money lost in the.com boom, because it's, it's staggering what the numbers are, but you can't participate in, And if you're a business owner, unless you've got fifty thousand dollars to pay a lawyer, then you can't start a fucking business. You have to raise money to pay legal fees to start a business. It's all bullshit.

All this does, it is let them eat cake. It is we're going to give the plebs. Ponzi schemes, and we're going to give the plebs the ability to degenerate gamble in things that would be illegal because the payout is so low in Las Vegas, but you can't buy a share of fucking stock and you can't sell a share of stock. It's an absolute outrage. People should be outraged by it, but people don't know how any of this works. And by the way, what this means is you have no chance. The thing about meme coins is Meme coins aren't even like gambling. I know statistically what the percentage is that I'm going to win at the blackjack table or the roulette wheel. But with meme coins, it's all insiders with

advanced knowledge using bots. You don't even know what the there is no payout. There are like twenty people that make all the money. Everybody else gets fucked. And now we actually have heads of state doing this, which using taxpayer money and taxpayer social media accounts. to push ponzi schemes and I don't think anybody should listen to a politician I don't think that these I mean these people are awful look up to politicians I don't think people should unfortunately people do so what a rug pull that is but but I I am like a hardcore adamant about the fact that people are not allowed to invest in or sell equities. And there's nothing that's going to fix that. In fact,

now with bank regulated stable coins, they're going to be able to, the natural consequence of that is to tie it to a digital ID. And if they can't validate that you have enough assets or make enough money, you won't be able to use your stable coin to invest. And because stable coins will be the only currency that you can use, it's going to be another way to gatekeep and make sure that only the wealthy can invest in companies. As opposed to buying stock in a company if that's currently not allowed, what is allowed is that you can buy future paper. So back, you know, twenty, twenty five years ago was

factoring where you would buy somebody's advanced receivables. And then it got to the point where there were business cash advances where people basically could it wasn't lending. It was they would give you money and then be able to pull out of your bank account every business day during the banking week. Those things. So if somebody was to issue not a meme coin, but a funding coin on a privacy chain, do you think they'd be able to get away with that for a while? Look, there's a whole separate thing, you know, when.

Patrick Burm was working on this, the idea of a blockchain tech stack for human civilization. This is where network states come in because what we need is a completely different governance structures and then tokens on top of that. So we need to rethink the entire basis of how how equities work, how stocks work. All of that needs to be built from the ground up because and I'm not going to go into it here now, but the stock market is an absolute scam. There's one company that is owned by a guy that worked for the CIA that actually owns all of the stock certificates for all of the publicly traded companies. It takes three days for them to physically move. You don't even own your own equity.

Like the thing is so unbelievably inefficient and rigged that people can't even imagine this because they think, Oh, it's wall street. This must be, you know, really sophisticated and computers and everything else. And it's like, no, we have naked short selling and a whole bunch of fraud because behind and underneath the system is an intentionally, uh, slow inefficient thing that has a single centralized gatekeeper and the next thing they're going to do those same gatekeepers and is they're going to take then add them in as a layer with regulated transparency tokens and so so again the solution to this is to rethink all of this and and this is why it's like I I you know when I'm doing

this gold token I don't know where I'm going to base it and this is a separate conversation I don't even know when to have some of these conversations I'm glad we're talking about this now just in general but I did I put out a post that that basically said you know your doctor your insurance company your the hospital we like to tell to talk about how much we're in a prison how many people have jobs that they don't like just because they can get medical insurance And here's the thing, when you actually go and price out medical services, we're at a point right now where you will pay less cash out of pocket than your copay is through your insurance. If you do medical tourism,

and I put together a chart showing the relative cost of different services, You can get everything from open heart surgery to whatever, a long list. I did a list of the top ten most popular surgical procedures. They're anywhere between eighty three and ninety five percent off in terms of cost. I actually found a video of a woman in California that had to get some dental work done, like wisdom teeth or something like that. And it turned out to be cheaper for her to fly to fucking Thailand and stay there for a week. and hang out and get her dental procedure done than the cost for her to go in California and get the dental work done. People are so locked in to thinking that all that

exists is the insurance and copays in these existing hospital systems. They've also bought into the myth that the United States has the best health care in the world, which is also not accurate. So all of this is about changing people's thoughts about all of this. In fact, the best way to start out is, I've done a lot of this research. I don't even know how to present it. But when I say public health is a death cult, it is. So if you start out by saying, I start out by saying, I'm not going to use a doctor. What are the other possible things out there? Because there's what you know, there's what you know you don't know. And there's what you don't know you don't know.

And what you don't know you don't know is infinitely larger than everything else. And how people run their lives is by what they think they know. So they've confined themselves into this little box. Once you let go and admit to yourself that the shit that you know, you've actually been lied to your entire life, and it's probably the opposite of what you think, then that frees you up to be open to explore and research other things. But our healthcare system is absolute shit. And the thing is doctors are indoctrinated to push a John Rockefeller inspired medical curriculum where he basically shut out other forms of medicine and other solutions specifically so that he could push drugs

and procedures and supplements and things that used oil. So the entire basis of the healthcare system doesn't even have as its main purpose improving people's health. So now what you have is you have doctors that have been indoctrinated. They've not thought about what they've learned. They've just basically been memorizing stuff. So now they're armed with an ego and an expectation that because they have this certification, they're the only one qualified to do it. Whereas I would tell you a doctor has more to unlearn than most. This is another reason why RFK is bullshit and we're not going to reform public health. Because not only does he believe in the integrity of public health and that

there's a restore point, but he also thinks that doctors, the most indoctrinated people of all, are the people that should be at the table coming up with the solution. Those are the last people. Like a doctor that just woke up on COVID, I've talked to these people. They still think, oh, well, is accurate it's like look at your dietary guidelines look at even other vaccination look at all of the keep tracing it back they've never questioned any of it so I don't think doctors should have any authority over anything prescriptions I don't think I I think the idea that we have commercials or the way that things are presented to people is oh you know make sure to consult your

doctor before you do this this or this your doctor Tell your doctor to go through a re-education camp before he talks to you. But the last place I would expect in the eight minutes you get in a doctor visit is accurate advice from a guy whose financial incentives are tied to slinging opioids for Purdue or while trying to cower in fear under his medical malpractice insurance because he now has to work through a hospital that has, in addition to medical malpractice rules, the hospital rules. So I do want to say, so I was telling you that Yes, minister. And yes, prime minister. And like the list of excuses. So this is a general list of excuses. So I expect this to happen for Maha.

I expect this to happen for MAGA and everybody that thinks they're going to go in and create this great change. Because by the way, if it doesn't happen within the first one hundred days, it's not going to fucking happen. So period, because then it's all going to be, it's already started today with Thomas Massey, right? It's all about people already starting to talk about primary and the midterms. So any big thing that doesn't get done in the first one hundred days, it's dead. But here are the excuses you're going to get. Oh, we can't do this. It's ongoing investigations, privacy concerns, national security, legal challenges, political pressure, evidence integrity, bureaucratic delays,

public safety, incomplete records, classified info. You could make a bingo card out of this standard list of excuses. And so these people that are now getting into political power have never had political power before, don't understand how it works, still believe we have a constitution. And they're sitting around jerking themselves off saying, oh, well, collect information because we're just going to have to if we have enough information, then people will be convinced of the integrity. People don't know how to read the fucking information. Are you kidding me? I mean, so by the time they collect any information, all of which is going to be disputable because it's probably not reproducible,

nobody's going to read it. So my only question is, is RFK that dense or is he compromised? this is one of these things But I mean, where it's like, we have this whole like, oh, it's Camelot and everything else. It's like, I'm sorry, guys. What's the golden age when your brother, I mean, excuse me, father got assassinated and when your uncle and your didn't implement anything? Is that the golden age? They didn't get shit done either. There isn't a golden age. There's a there's a, you know, like PTSD reflective. Here's the thing that I like. I actually did. This is probably pissed a lot of people off. You know, he's talking about we're going to bring back the presidential fitness test. JFK.

was the inspiration for the original presidential fitness test. So what I did was I asked Grok, you know, what prescription drugs was JFK on? And so, you know, it's like, so I would love to hear Ted Kennedy and I would love to hear RFK talk about standards and being the icon of health. presidential fitness I mean, there wasn't a fucking drug that JFK wasn't on. From meth to like, I mean, it's just like, it's absurd, right? And so all of this is just fake. So I don't mean to pick on him that much, but what frustrates me about it is watching these people who mean well, the people that have really the people that have been good intention, passionate about medical health issues,

and I'm watching them and they're about to get shredded by those ten excuses I just listed. And they're going to eat the shit the whole way through because we believe Bobby can fix it. And they believe a bumper sticker. And they haven't checked the core premises about whether or not you can even restore integrity to something that never had integrity. And they're just going to get chewed up. And then they're going to be more demoralized. And in the meantime, we've moved that much closer to Agenda we might get agenda twenty twenty eight. I actually think certain things are going to be more accelerated under this current administration just because they're actually competent at being able to

implement these things technically. So anyway, so those were the those were the excuse. Oh, sorry. not for not releasing the Epstein files. Those are the excuses for So ongoing investigations. And by the way, I put this list out before Pam Bondi even released the redacted information. So she's already done privacy concerns, and she's already done national security. And what came out today is going to be ongoing investigations, which is number one on the list. That's going to be the new excuse. Like, again, if you really need to make that bingo card. I should make the bingo card. And, you know, the thing is, it's just it's frustrating because I don't even know what to do.

Because, again, these people, they mean well and they don't have a fucking clue. And the problem that I have is I don't have the patience for this anymore. Like, I'm not going to sit here and humor people. The vast majority of people don't have the bandwidth for this. The reason why people will recite what they heard Ian Carroll say on Joe Rogan is because they can't wrap their head around what Whitney Webb has put out there. And I'm not advocating for anybody or trying to knock anybody down. But the point that I'm trying to make is at this point in the podcast, anybody that's still here is looking for how can I be part of the solution? And one of the things that I heard you say,

I'm just going to throw this out there. None of the things that I say are investment advice and none of the things that anybody hears me say is advocating for any particular cryptocurrency or blockchain. Who the fuck knows what's going to win? But if you believe in privacy and you believe in creating a marketplace, but you want to find your niche, then based on, you know, some stuff we were talking about, you know, five to ten minutes ago was, you know, what I would call and I'm not making up this name is health tourism. So imagine if you created a marketplace that used privacy currency. And you were able to, uh,

match doctors with travel agencies, with, uh, Airbnbs that were in country and with consumers that wanted to find a much better value, uh, for whatever that, whatever health concern that they felt that they were being horribly over, uh, priced at locally. And so there's a bunch of these marketplaces that could be created. So there is. But but I will say it's the reason. And again, it's there's a timing to this. So I actually don't want to push a lot of stuff. We need the escrow feature. So there's everything is about doing this in the right sequence or otherwise you have. a lot of pent up interest

that gets dissipated because you can't do anything with it. So there are some technical things that need to happen to facilitate a marketplace like this functioning properly. And those things are going to happen, but they're not going to happen right away. So again, I think that there's building a marketplace and then building kind of a core base of a marketplace or people create marketplaces. infrastructure where other Those inner workings have to get done. But yeah, that is medical tourism. And I started Salu. I actually started a company that I was looking at doing this. I was looking at disrupting health care by having people pay cash. And what I learned

This is why this public health thing. So my second startup was in the healthcare space and it was destroyed by Obamacare, Dodd-Frank and Eric Holder. But in that process, I got to deal with a lot of, people in public health. or I had to deal a lot of In fact, some of the same people, it turns out that were writing academic papers for COVID. And I didn't realize it until after the fact. And I learned that, So as much as I can create a cash-only network and put in place a reputation management system, doctors are so stuck between their medical malpractice, their agreements with insurers. There's no ability to innovate. based on the, the certification and the contractual relationships

that are already in place. Like we, like we literally, it's a dead system. Medical tourism, uh, could work and, and should work. And that's one where, you know, the combination of a escrow and, uh, reputation management system and some things you can do with, with aliases, with Zano make, make that really feasible, but you know, here, so again, the purpose of today's podcast was to talk about the law Biden lawfare, which, which again, I, so on the, I don't believe in the voting. The only thing that, you know, Ross was free to like, I view at best, it's like a hostage negotiation. That's the most we can get out of politics is getting our people out that have been Arrested and to get our best

freedom fighters out, but there's gonna be no positive solutions working within government It's just an absolute waste of time and I could talk about that for forty hours, but I'm not I'm not going to but I tried that spent a lot of time and But here are the ten excuses that I think Maha is gonna get or all of these other people that have bought this white knight strategy We're gonna save the Republic through all this fucking bullshit consolidation of people that are gonna solve things here the excuses and Rome wasn't built in a day and neither are lasting solutions. We're laying the groundwork for future success. These things take time to get right. We're navigating unprecedented challenges.

The system wasn't designed for quick fixes. We need bipartisan support to move forward. We're prioritizing long-term stability over short-term wins. The complexity of the issue requires careful study. Budget constraints limit what we can do right now. Change is a marathon, not a sprint. I guarantee you, Maha and other groups are going to be snowed by this more than anything else. And part of the problem with all of this is that The way that the political process has been structured right now, it's all based on white knights. So none of it is being done on the basis of principled strategy. There's no like, here's the plan. Everything's about, you know, even make America healthy again. Well,

that could mean a million different things to a million different people. Make America great again has no specificity to it at all. Everybody can have their own opinion of it. And they are these generic ideas. short things because they're malleable and what people are putting their faith in are the white knights and the people themselves and so if if rfk comes out and says we're prioritizing long-term stability over short-term wins his his group is going to eat it and they're going to buy it and then boom time's up if trump comes out and says you know you know um change is a marathon not a sprint or you know we're navigating unprecedented challenges or whatever and uses some excuse I mean he

already he's already done this and so because his audience his supporters by default they're not principled they're not there there isn't a here's here are the ten things that I'm going to do it's a generic aspirational wish that can change based on what Trump says it means. And so because of that, we can count on nothing happening. And we can count on these ten excuses being deployed, and we're already seeing it. And some of it is you just can't beat an administrative state that's unconstitutional By using the Constitution, right? This is the other thing. If you have a rule set and

the people at the top are not using the rule set and you're using the rule set, you're going to lose. Just a basic game theory. But that's what happens. So there's so many people that have wrapped themselves in the Constitution and wrapped themselves in the flag. And I've seen them, they get befuddled. They're shocked when they lose. Oh, my God, I can't believe this didn't happen. What do you mean? You can't you can't believe the thing that was forced down your throat that wasn't constitutional to begin with. You didn't defeat it with the Constitution. I mean, I don't know. And again, I have sympathy for this because I wasted a lot of time on the political process. But then I also don't.

There's no like to my earlier point. you're not going to convince mainstream the amount of time and money that goes into that. You get a thousand X return convincing an innovator. You get a hundred X return convincing an early adopter and you get a negative, you know, reverse those for things later out. And you're dealing with time and resources and you're competing with people pushing other ideologies. And so this is why I'll push the solutions that like on the marketplaces and everything else. This is why I'm waiting on the workshops. I don't want to do any more workshops where I'm giving people two different privacy coin wallets. I don't want to work on something where I'm giving

them a point of sale system that doesn't include the privacy coin that will actually solve the issues while it's pending being integrated. I don't want to give people half solutions where they're sitting there. I want coming out of a workshop, a newly onboarded consumer buying something from a newly onboarded merchant. And if that can't happen, I don't want to have a workshop. because it's just a waste of time. Because everybody that I run through a workshop like that, I'm going to have to run through a whole other workshop. So rather spend the time building the solution. And then it's all about conversion rate. And kind of like with e-commerce, right? Click-through rate and conversion rate.

The same applies here with these ideas. And so we're not going to spend time on somebody that's two or three levels removed where even if we convince them, they then don't actually have the ability to implement the thing that we're talking about. But we're not far off. Again, it's just sequencing. But the headwinds on this are Bitcoin maxis. I don't know whether it was And I will tell you, deliberate or not. Like, I don't know if we'll ever find out the level of sophistication involved in this. But I will tell you that Roger embodies, he actually, as one person, embodies what's going on, I believe, with the hijacking of this. Because this is a guy, I would argue that...

So he was pushing Bitcoin as peer-to-peer digital cash. Then there were the fork wars. And he was pushing for big blocks. And when you read Hijacking Bitcoin, you learn about the propaganda and censorship was used, even denial of service attacks. I mean, it even got to the level of hacking and everything else. It was a very highly manipulated and controlled situation. Well, then he got involved. And then Craig Wright got involved. And I believe Craig Wright, I don't know what I think Craig Wright is probably a chaos agent because you couldn't have done more to. So let's just say so Roger was getting people to look at big blocks and to start using big blocks and to

continue to do peer to peer digital cash. And then Craig came in and completely disrupted that and and created all of this chaos. And then what did he end up going off and doing is creating a version of this. where they're now trying to partner with the WEF and partner with Davos. I mean, it is a form. He's trying to make it a CBDC. So Roger's been trying to push peer-to-peer digital cash, into these situations where and it seems like he gets something gets hijacked on both sides of him, just like what's happened now where the Biden administration shut him down initially. because he was a threat to CBDCs. And then while in that state, Bitcoin Maxis took advantage of his condition

to suppress his ability to spread the truth about Bitcoin. And so now I feel genuinely horrible for him. Literally put yourself in the position of you've been pushing And you believe with every fiber of your being that decentralized money separated from state can end wars and alleviate poverty and spread economic freedom all around the world. And you end up in these traps surrounded by... I mean, Craig Wright sued him multiple times. So he ended up in a situation where... He's dealing with censorship and all of the just terrible things that he had to deal with on that side. And then literally then lawsuits from BSV. How much time and effort did that distract from his ability to promote BCH?

And then when he finally breaks through that and realizes that we've got to push privacy coins, he's shot down. And then the thing that he was rallying against eight years ago, is now being pushed on CNBC and through BlackRock and people like Michael Saylor. And so... Again, these things get hijacked. And we have to watch out for this with what we're doing, right? With this privacy. There's already stuff creeping up. There's already division within the privacy coin space. There's already some tension going on with Monero and Zeno. And I actually think some of it might be deliberate chaos, not designed to suppress Zeno, but to actually continue to depress Zeno.

privacy coins because the problem with privacy coins is privacy coins haven't worked their way out of the niche because it's all pushed as this like guy fox masks and it's used for you know they they market it they're not marketing it for the mainstream there's a almost an aspect to this of well you have to be a cool kid to be in this particular club to use this and the reality is Everybody deserves privacy money. Privacy money should be this should be something for mass market adoption, not something for niche adoption. Well, there are people that are that are trying to suppress that in a material way. And then they get envious if people actually do start trying to use these things

because it's like, oh, this is the thing that only me and my five friends can use. It's it's tough. Yeah, back to the hundred and forty people. And so one of the things you were talking about earlier, which is basically what was the book tribal leadership. So but regardless of that, we're coming up on four hours here. I'm going to be out on the West Coast here relatively soon. Where is Rogers court case and when what dates and And then if somebody is on the East Coast and they want to support Ian, once again, where should they go and

how can they help? So I've already said this, and I'm going to push this out as we get closer to it. First and foremost, understand this. Federal court hearings get rescheduled all of the time. Also, there's a hope that this case gets dismissed or he gets pardoned beforehand. Roger's case has already been rescheduled twice. The original case, they really asked for a date of January the sixth, which I thought was awesome. So I put it up on the screen right now. The current hearing date is May the twelfth at one thirty p.m. at the United States District Court, Central District of California. This is in L.A. So I'll put out more information on this, but understand, get refundable tickets,

get a refundable hotel. It is important to go to these things. I'm going to be going, fly out from from Amsterdam. but I'm actually have to to get there, which is going to be... When you see me, I'm going to be tired. I just know that in advance, but I will be there. And it is helpful to support. There is no hearing... scheduled for Ian. We are supposed to find out about Ian. I walked through this already as well. And when I clip this, when I do clips of this, I'm obviously going to put together clips that are specific to each person. We should know about Ian's case, his appeal within three weeks. So his hearing was on February the fifth in Boston. So we'll know in two hours on that.

There's also Roman Storm's who I'll give the exact date on this, but his trial is coming up. So this isn't just a hearing. This is the beginning of his trial. He is facing up to forty five years in prison for writing code that people voluntarily run on their computers that actually upholds their Fourth Amendment rights. It's a horrible story. And unfortunately, he's in the Southern District of New York. So I will, as we get closer to that as well, put together a post and promote that. But when you go into federal court buildings, again, you can't bring a cell, you can't record. And some people like leave their phones. The last thing I'm gonna do is leave my cell phone with a federal court.

I think that's a very poor idea. So I would advise you to just leave your cell phone somewhere else, but do not bring it to the court at all. Because again, who would trust a federal court with you know unless you put it in a faraday bag or something I I don't know but I I just would not bring it um that's what's going on there and then I I'm doing another podcast in two days and I really want people to attend this the attendance on this I mean we're like nine hundred and thirty three views it should be at least three times this amount and and I think that uh again I'm shadow banned so hopefully something will happen I gotta figure out a way to to do something before um before Thursday.

So on Thursday at eight PM, I'm gonna be talking about stable coins as backdoor CBDCs. This is really important. People should not be complacent. It's actually kind of an emergency based on, I've now read the bills. I previously had talked about how bad the Loomis-Gillibrand bill was, which had been introduced twice. both of these bills the stable bill in the house and the genius bill in the senate are worse than any of the previous bills and they have a ton of support from everybody including the you know commerce secretary treasury secretary and the ai cryptos are like there's a lot of momentum pushing this And all it does is give more control to the banks. It gives more surveillance.

It gives regulatory oversight to the Fed. It's horrible for DeFi. I will go through all of that on Thursday. And then I'll be gone all next week. And then I'll come back and I'll be doing two a week for a while until we get fully caught up. There is one person asked here, what coins do I endorse? So you can go to daylightfreedom.org. And there's a button for exit fiat. I think I list the coins there. I list all of the stuff that I use. So I live on cryptocurrency. I don't use a personal bank account. And I've been doing this since twenty nineteen. So I give a running list of the things that I use and it changes. So first and foremost, I'm not a maxi of any kind.

And I have to use different things. But my preference is to use cryptocurrencies that are privacy by default. So I like Monero. I like Zeno because you don't have to take any added steps. The next layer beyond that is I like coins that are optional privacy. So I like Zcash. I like Litecoin that you can use with Mimblewimble. I like you can use Bitcoin Cash with Cash Fusion. So that's kind of the next layer. And then beyond that, you know, sometimes I've got to do what I've got to do and I end up having to use a stable coin or sometimes I'll have to use something else depending on which country I'm in or whatever. But Those are my go-tos. I like Cake Wallet currently

because it's an easy-to-use wallet that handles multiple privacy coins, including Zeno and Litecoin and Monero. And then it's got swapping services built in. You can buy gift certificates and everything else. And I'm creating my own gold-backed privacy token, but I'm not even a maximalist. So I'm not even a maximalist. I don't believe in maximalism. I think that a gold-backed privacy token solves a use case for settlement and for medium of exchange and a store of value for merchants, but I am still not even a maximalist on that. And this changes. So I wrote a book, The Final Countdown,

and I still haven't updated it. And it's horribly out of date. This stuff changes. And I embrace the change. I embrace the fact that there's innovation. And particularly in the privacy coin space, there's a lot of innovation. And I think that's a good thing. Just a quick ask. Could you explain what the difference between different privacy coins are uh from my perspective it seems that there are some privacy coins that are private digital cash and there are other uh chains that are more asset based well I mean most most coins are privacy coins so in other words like so with something like monero you

use monero as money that is its purpose it is a privacy by default coin that you can use to buy and sell things. Zeno is the lead developer for Zeno actually has, as I understand it, more code. He's written more code than any other individual developer for Monero. He was an OG. He originally worked on CryptoNote, the tech behind Monero. He worked alongside with Nicholas Van Saberhagen, who's the the creator of Monero. And so Zeno can be used as a currency, as a coin in its own right, but also it can be used to tokenize other assets. So you can create, money is a form,

money is an asset. And money represents about five percent of global assets. everything else is going to be tokenized in the same way that money is being tokenized. So your stocks, your bonds, in my case, as I mentioned, a privacy-backed gold token, or I mentioned earlier also confidential layer, which is a technology that's being used to allow people to tokenize their Bitcoin, Bitcoin Cash, and Ethereum into Zeno so that you can basically make your transparent coins actually private and then use those. But when you're using those coins in those examples, in the example that I gave

with the gold privacy token, you're actually using those as money. But you can tokenize anything. So I look at it as Zeno is to Monero in a way what Ethereum is to Bitcoin. Bitcoin is there too. Well, and all of that changes and all these definitions. So instead of Bitcoin, like what BCH has become. So if you're actually one of the few people that use a cryptocurrency as some sort of cash, you're either using Z money or, you know, or Bitcoin cash or something like that. If you're on the privacy side, you're probably using Monero. And if you're going to create an asset,

there's plenty of people out there that were trying to build assets on Ravencoin, which was a transparent blockchain. But if you wanted to take that private, then maybe you'd look at Xano. Yeah. And I actually like the idea of, I don't know if this is feasible, but in the future, bridging Ravencoin into Xano. There are just a lot of applications. And I was going to go through and talk. I've talked a lot about tokenization. Go to brownstone.org or go to dailyfreedom.org and look at my articles. I've written some really lengthy, in-depth articles that talk about what tokenization is and that goes into the mechanics of this. But what everybody has to understand and what people don't understand,

even in the privacy coin space and even OGs and crypto, What is happening right now is while they're working on CBDCs and Israel's doing their digital check, you know, one hundred and thirty three countries are working on CBDCs. The US has its stable coin, which is also a programmable digital form of money. At the same time, they're working on tokenization models for all of our other assets. So when Klaus Schwab said you will own nothing and be happy. The way that they're going to do that is they're going to roll out CBDCs. Then they're going to tokenize all of our other assets digitally and then tie those to CBDCs. And essentially that's where the we give up ownership because,

and my article goes into this in detail, we've already through quick wrap agreements, we've already given away most of our rights. As an example, you don't own the stock. So when people say that BlackRock owns everything, it's not true. BlackRock doesn't own everything. They're managing money for their investors. The thing is, as part of that process, you turn over your voting rights. So in essence, what we've given is voting control of our money to BlackRock and to Vanguard, because normally if you own a four or one K, if you own a whole bunch of stocks, then as a shareholder, you get to vote, but you never get the notices to vote because you've given up your voting

rights to BlackRock into Vanguard. Well, one of the other things that's happened over the years, Other changes have happened behind the scenes at the state level. So the next time there's a financial collapse, if your broker goes out of business, not only have you already given away your voting rights, you will give up your economic interest. Because in a bankruptcy, if your broker goes bankrupt, then the bank that is their secured creditor will end up owning all of your stocks. This is already the groundwork has been laid going all the way back to nineteen ninety four. So anyway, long article about this, but this is what BlackRock and DTCC who's involved in stocks and the big banks

and the central banks have been doing. They've been building out this infrastructure. What crypto has been doing are meme coins and NFTs. This is why I get very animated about this, because People like are sitting there joking, oh, yeah, great. I'm going to do my own NFT collection. They're literally figuring out ways to strip you of all of your property. And people are sitting around saying, oh, gee, I hope we get alt season again. Like people don't understand the stakes. So privacy tokens to me, privacy in general is the antidote to CBDCs. Privacy tokens are basically the antidote to literally losing property rights and control over any asset. So in the next six to twelve months,

people are probably going to be hearing more and more on the mainstream media, real world assets when it comes to tokenization. And if they wanted to go down the rabbit hole of you don't own what you think your own, then maybe they should explore the great taking. You should actually read my article because my article goes into detail about all of this. The great taking doesn't go into a lot of it, but I lay out the exact steps of how the CBDCs are linked together through a common platform. So they're going to digitize all of our assets that can only settle in CBDCs. But then the US will have a platform that connects to the UK, which connects to Europe,

which connects to Japan. And what you get at the end of this is one global ledger where everything is centrally controlled. And at the end of that process, CBDCs switch. and become backed by energy credits. Literally, I've laid that out in an article, but here's the thing to worry about. I mentioned at the very beginning, I was at this conference in Miami, Wagme conference, and Tether was there and other people were there. And the thing everybody was excited about was Larry Fink was at Davos talking about how assets are gonna be tokenized. There is no reason for anybody to be excited about Larry Fink tokenizing assets at Davos. This does not benefit you.

This is actually something that hurts you. This is the way your assets are going to be transferred from your ownership to BlackRock's ownership. But people don't know enough. They're like, oh, well, what ends up happening with all this is, well, maybe that means BlackRock's going to buy my token. or my token is what's going to be used for tokenization. And there's been a big misunderstanding about this with CVDCs. I see all these people that say, oh, XRP, all the banks are going to use XRP. XRP is going to be what powers CVDCs. BSV people are like, people are only going to be able to use BSV. I've researched all of the various projects over half of which are beyond just

the planning stage none of them are using those blockchains why because they want control even the u.s cbdc pilot called project hamilton it's a venture between mit and the federal reserve bank of new york it has as one of the Bitcoin core developers, as one of the co-authors of the white paper. They want their own programmable money. They don't want transparent ledgers. They don't want to use your coin. They don't want to use your blockchain. It's all about control. And you can research this. I've also put all of this in my book, but it's all openly available. Research it. Nobody's using it. By the way, I don't know why people are buying a coin because they want it to be used for CBDCs.

That's a pretty bad premise. But even if you want that, that's not what's happening. All right, well, I think, Dan, do you have anything? Dan might have fallen asleep on us. I know it's pretty late, but I do appreciate this. This went a little longer than I thought, but it was good because this is actually getting caught up on like two months of stuff. But do please come to the one on Thursday at eight because that one has more important information. Again, the biggest concern that I have right now is compared to a year ago, Nobody is expressing any concern about CBDCs.

It's complete complacency. And what's actually going on, both technically and legislatively, is people are about to get smacked in the face and you're going to wake up and all of a sudden you're going to find that you got a backdoor CBDC and you, without knowing it, were actually rooting for it because your favorite white knight politician put a different wrapper around it. And you've been traveling around the country and throughout the North American hemisphere. But it sounds like you're going to be in Amsterdam. Will people be able to see on your website where they could possibly meet you in person? I don't know if we have this one up yet. It's in this presentation.

I walked through all this at the beginning. So we've got Eat Them and then Pork Fest. And I do recommend everybody come to Pork Fest. Again, this is going to be the event. I'm trying to rekindle the twenty twelve energy of Porkfest, which is where so many OGs were on boarded to Bitcoin back in the time where people were having conversations about separating money in state and ending central banks and stopping war. I want to bring that back, but with better solutions and with privacy coins. And I think we're going to have two to three thousand people there. And so great talks, great people. I really encourage you. And look, it is my profound hope. that maybe we have Ross

Ulbrich and Roger there as a free man and Ian there as a free man. That was my intention all along when setting this up. I don't know whether that's going to happen or not, but I'm hoping for it. So in any event, please check it out, porkfest.com. All right. With that, thank you, everybody. Thank you, George. Thank you, Dan. Thank you for everybody that's in the comments. And if you wouldn't mind, give this another share. Again, traffic got cut in thirds. So I definitely want to get this material out and we'll be making clips as well. And I'm always open to DMs or comments or feedback. And hopefully this was helpful. And hopefully you've got an

understanding of what we're up against with the Biden lawfare. Thank you. Thanks. Good night.