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you missed it, go watch. Link in the show description. Gaza was leveled to make way for a technocratic state. Oracle, Palanteer, Trump, and Kushner are positioning themselves to profit from the rubble. The surveillance apparatus gets a fresh playground while the connected few cash in on destruction marketed as reconstruction. This is bless the unbroken will

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here. Bless the unbroken. >> Two weeks ago, we released Ohio captured, exposing how technocrats seized every level of Ohio's government. Jobs Ohio controls billions with zero transparency. 2 and a half billion in data center tax breaks for just 356 jobs. The intelligence line runs from Max Fischer to Wexner to Epstein to Theel to Vance. And this is the blueprint they're rolling out in all 50 states. Three things coming up. May 21st

through 25th, Libertarian National Convention in Grand Rapids, Michigan. May 24th, Enemies of the State, a live event with Ammon Bundy, Afroman, and speakers for crypto prisoners still behind bars. I'm running for US Senate in New Hampshire. Uh, day206.com. Using that race to pressure Trump on pardons. Same leverage that freed Ross. May 25th, rage against the war machine, also in Grand Rapids. 6 a.m. tanks through the front door for a radio host who said the word Bitcoin. Ian Freeman, Roger Vera, Roman Storm, Keon Rodriguez, still locked up. This is 6 a.m. in Keen. And this is what happens when you dare to speak truth about financial freedom in America.

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6 in the morning. That's the pre-show. The Aaron Day show starts now. All right, welcome back to the Aaron Day Show. This is season 3, episode 13. We have a an incredibly important interview tonight uh and episode. I actually I'm going to do a little bit at the very beginning to talk about a a big update to Temocracy Atlas and then that's actually going to bleed into our episode tonight which is is quite a a story fascinating story that is unfortunately too common. As we know, if you just saw

the free Ian uh music video, uh we have several of our crypto prisoners uh that are in prison or awaiting prison sentences or potentially being retrieded as in the case with Roman Storm today who had a hearing. Uh but today we're going to be talking about an entrepreneur named Chris Horlocker. And I'm not going to give you his whole bio now, but this is a guy who, you know, basically his story sounds like a James Bond story, uh, James Bond book or or novel. Um, it's just incredible what's happened, the deep state attack. And his area of expertise is something that I happen to be incredibly passionate about. He was one of the earliest people to start talking about tokenizing

equities, so stocks and bonds and financial instruments. uh and actually created a solution to do this uh that allowed what are called atomic swaps. So we'll get in into all the details on this but you know the stock market as we've discussed many times on this show that has many intermediaries. You do not own stocks and publicly traded companies. You don't own ETFs. There are layers and layers of intermediaries. And he created a system to get rid of those intermediaries. and he was destroyed by the equivalent of the CIA in Canada. Uh literally run out of Canada. Um several aspects. Like I said, it's a it's a bond story here, but um uh he is currently suing the Canadian

equivalent of uh the CIA in Canada for $140 million. So, what I want to try to do tonight is lay out his story. Even though there are some complexities to it, I want to lay out the story and with him and see what we can do to help elevate his story and package this up in a way with sound bites and so on and so forth where we can start spreading this around to help him get momentum in his lawsuit because that lawsuit will have huge implications well beyond Canada. But before we get into that, I want to talk about something that I deployed this week to Temocracy Atlas. And it actually stemmed from last week's episode. You may recall Craig and I went

through and talked about the technocratic state of Ohio. And frankly, I think we were both shocked as we both prepared for the episode. I mean, Craig even lives in Ohio, so he's lived this for a long time. But it's stunning the amount of surveillance, the data centers, the overlap of data centers with Jeffrey Epstein and Les Wexner. I mean, literally, Ohio is a major focal point for technocracy. And so I put out a tweet. You know, I've been putting out after we do a podcast every day I'm trying to post a essentially one of the slides with a description of the slide is one post and then a video clip which will hopefully be a viral video clip but but you know an impactful video clip. We

did five hours last week so I was able to find at least seven of them. And I put out the one on Ohio and it went viral. had well over a hundred,000 views. But more than the views, and this is the really important part, is people started commenting and sharing information back and forth. We had a we had a gubanatorial candidate from Ohio uh in in the discussion comments. We had a state rep. We actually had Palmer Lucky, who is the CEO of Androl, which is one of the companies that we focused on. And so what I learned from that and what you know you probably have gathered as well there's a huge backlash right now across the country around data centers but data centers are just one

part of it and so what I've done is I've created an entire index of uh technocracy score by state in state rankings and I'm going to go through the website with you in a minute and explain what the methodology is but to rank the states and to allow people to drill in and see what's going on around seven different dimensions. Um, and then ultimately to be able to comment on on the technocracy atlas site. I'm going to bring a community around that and you can actually sign up for free. You know, submit your email and get a detailed report, a PDF with a full background on what's going on uh in your state along with links to uh the relevant politicians or groups in

the state uh if you're going to go the the political side. But of course, you know, what I'm recommending is that people start exiting the system. That's what I've always recommended. But I figured we'd do both so that you know I hey maybe I'm wrong. Some of these people are having some success pushing these things back. So I want to help empower people on that front. But even if they're unsuccessful, it gets them down the pathway to realizing that the only way out is to exit the system. So I see this as a a huge tool. So, every day for the next uh 50 days or 45 now there or 48, there's going to be a new post that uh shows the ranking and some of the key shocking

points for each of the 50 states. And I'm tagging some key influencers and people in each of those states that I think would be interested in the hopes that this spurs a conversation in all of those states and that that gets people going to the technocracy atlas site and gets people around the country talking about this issue because as I've said time and time again the big issue that we have in front of us is educating people about technocracy. If you don't understand what technocracy is, the world won't make sense at all. You'll just view things like COVID and some of these other, you know, uh, staged events or whatever as oneoffs or where it's, you know, a handful of bad actors. But

once you really understand technocracy, you realize this is a 90 plus year plan to completely shape society and effectively strip us of our of our free will. So, I'm excited about this site. I'm excited about the fact that the site has uh quite a bit of of traction. The other thing about all of this, and this actually is where it ties into our guest tonight, is who will be joining probably around 6:45 or so, but uh one of the the big takeaways that um that came out of the podcast last week is that there are multiple layers to technocracy, but in essence, it's technocratic firms. It's individuals. It's people like Peter Teal, Larry Ellison, and others that are

using and manipulating government at all levels to push their technocratic agenda. I've heard a lot of people recently talk about we're moving towards a multi-polar world. And so people are starting to talk about things like, oh, we're going to have China and then maybe we're going to have, you know, three or four different um areas of concentration. And I think we may be moving towards a multipolar world, but it's not based on nation states. It's based on corporations. You're going to have Palunteer. You're going to have Oracle. You're going to have Microsoft. You're going to have different countries vying for control over the global technocracy because this is what

we have going on today. When you dig into these individual companies, when you dig into Oracle or Palunteer, uh I think I and this was really revealed when I studied Operation Stargate, which was the first big announcement of Trump's second term. this big, you know, investment announcement. It was a $500 billion deal that he presented as being critical to securing American dominance in AI. And then you look at the deal and it's like, okay, well, first of all, the lead investor is SoftBank from Japan. The companies involved are Oracle. Oracle is heavily involved globally. I mean, not only do they run the Federal Reserve

system here, their first client was the CIA, but they're embedded in countries all around the world, including China. They do a massive amount of business in China. And the same is true with OpenAI. So, when when Trump or a politician tries to tell you that a multinational corporation that has clients and is pushing surveillance technology in dozens of countries is, you know, it's an investment on the basis of national interest. That's that's just not true. These corporations are very good at using tax incentives. They're very good at influencing legislation to block out competition. A couple of episodes back, I discussed the new White House AI policy and I also discussed the uh

Blackburn bill coming out of the Senate with respect to AI. What they're pushing for nationally is a system where the Department of Energy has control over whether or not a new AI model can even be released. That is a go no-go decision that according to this bill, the Blackburn bill, is put into the hands of the Department of Energy. As to laws, they're stripping away and there's been a lot of conversation about stripping away state laws. And in fact, that that's true. In this bill, the Secretary of Commerce is given uh the authority to basically go after and sue any state that comes up with a law that is trying to encumber uh AI development. Well, who is our Secretary of Commerce? Uh it's

Howard Lutnik. I don't know if I just said Secretary of State, but it's Secretary of Commerce. It's Howard Lutnik. So Howard Lutnik will be vested the authority to shoot down state-based laws on AI. And then it gets worse. You then have the FTC is involved with uh running programs to ensure that there's no political bias. So essentially uh you know these AI models will be examined and people will have to go go through some kind of training to make sure that the AI isn't biased courtesy of the FTC. Other things in there is they strip away section 230 which is what is used for by online platforms to uh to make them essentially a neutral publisher not excuse me a

neutral platform as opposed to the publisher so that they don't get sued. So in other words, this is what gives, you know, Twitter the ability to offer a platform where we can communicate and Twitter is not held liable for our uh what our views are and what we post. And they want to get rid of that through this bill. That that addition was made by Lindsey Graham. Um and so you you package all of this up and then there's liability for the developers. So in the end what you have is a situation where the big comp tech companies are the ones lobbying for this. This essentially puts any innovation uh on hold because no startup can afford the only people that can comply with this are the large tech

companies. So that's how the the technocrats the technocratic firms are influencing things at the national level. But then you get down to the state level and you start looking at these data centers and most of these data centers involve tax breaks at the state level. So you're so these data centers that are being built I'm a complete free market guy and I'm pro AI. There's nothing free market or pro AAI about AIs that are completely that can only exist if they meet the standards of the DOE, the Secretary of Commerce, and the FTC. That's not a free market AI. And it certainly isn't the case where now these data centers are going to be um processing uh and and providing the

compute for these authoritarian models uh using crony tax credits and a whole variety of other mechanisms. And so this is not so I'm making a different case than most people make and you can make a whole variety of other cases for why you don't uh want this to be want these to be implemented. uh health concerns, water consumption. You can make all of those arguments. I'm actually making the argument from the perspective of someone who's who is interested in capitalism and free markets that what is happening here is a technocratic takeover and not free markets. And so I'm trying to add another uh component to that. And so what I want to do is show you uh the site and it's live now.

I'm going to say that it's going to be in beta for 50 days as we work through um the inevitable bugs and the inevitable um you know issues that that come come about with the site. Um because as always I have to remind you I'm creating these things myself. I'm doing all of the tech myself and somehow I'm now managing seven sites and a US Senate campaign and a whole variety of other things. And so uh so I'm stating up front I I do want your feedback but I want to and in fact even on the methodology itself which I have published a a white paper that explains how I came up with the rankings and so I very well may have left something out or there may be a better

way to do it. So I'm I'm always looking for uh input on how to make all of this better. uh but let me tell you what's in here and what the methodology is. So the methodology uh and just to give you a little background. So the whole purpose of this it's it's the first comprehensive state-by-state rating system that measures the degree to which technocratic governance structures have replaced or subverted democratic processes across the United States. And these are the seven dimensions that I have in in the waitings. Uh and so again these could be uh these could be changed um you know and I used AI heavily to collect the data and and actually think through and analyze all of this and so

but what I found so far is you know based on uh the feedback that I'm getting from people in each of the states as I'm putting out the reporting is that uh it seems fairly accurate. I mean I'm sure it's not going to be perfect but it seems like a pretty good first start. So the the seven dimensions are you know surveillance. So what is the status of surveillance in your state? things like face recognition, AI fusion platforms, drones, body cam AI, various regulation gaps. What is the status of your state with respect to digital ID, you know, real ID compliance, mobile driver's licenses, state digital ID programs, biometric collection, uh, and so forth. Three, what is the, uh, state of data

centers and tech capture? I will be working on an additional element to this site which is going to be a map with a full breakdown of all of the data centers that are that exist currently and that are in the process of being built or going through the legislative process. Now, not all data centers are bad. So, there's going to be I I'm going to get into the the to the detail of okay, what do these data centers do? what is the specific I mean because there are applications of data centers that aren't bad but it turns out if it's it's about providing compute to one of these you know federally controlled and manipulated uh databases essentially it's a it's a surveillance system that's

that's one way of looking at it what is the state of political connections one of the things I've been digging into which is fascinating is uh what Peter Teal is up to as one dimension of this Peter Teal and Palunteer and their presence I mean certainly That's not the only lens and and I will expand that out. But it is my opinion that if anybody is playing 5D chess with technocracy, it's Peter Teal. I don't agree with Peter Teal, but I I will admit that he is smart. He's effective and he actually thinks things through long in advance. I've been following uh some of his political stuff for a long time. And it turns out he's he's making investments in more than

just JD Vance or the US Senate race uh in Arizona, which people know about. He has been placing bets at the state level. I even found in my own state of New Hampshire that he contributed $10,000 to the New Hampshire GOP. So I think what's going to be interesting is to find working with all of you as we kind of crowdsource information on this. What is the influence that's being had at the state legislative level? What is the influence that's going on even at the local level? Because at the local level, it's often town councils depending upon the structure of your government. That's that's where you know the developers in a particular town usually own and bankroll the town

council. So, uh, there's a way, you know, I'm going to use some of the skills that I acquired working for a decade in in New Hampshire, uh, on political stuff. I'm going to try to share that knowledge and try to crowdsource, uh, different town and state, uh, political contributions. Number five, what's the state of public private partnerships? What's the financial architecture of the state? And what are the civil liberties protections uh, if any? And so those all go into a score. And so then you can go to uh state map and you can see um hold on. Let me see what's going on here.

All right. Um All right. You can see here's the state map. Uh it's it's colorcoded. You can see which states are are ranked in which order. and you can click on your individual state. So, you know, clicking on Ohio and then that will give you kind of a summary snapshot of how your state ranks and what the overall score is along with the, you know, key bullet point facts, a tweet that you can copy and share maybe to get a the story going um within your community. So, for instance, in Ohio, Ohio gave Amazon $2.5 billion dollars in taxpayer subsidies for data centers that create 20 to 200 jobs each, while Peter Teal bought JD Vance's Senate seat for $13.5 million. Again, each state has

their own teaser like this. And then if you uh submit your email address, I will send you a link to a a website as well as a PDF that you can download with the full report for your state. Um, part of the reason I want the email address is is is a couple a couple things. One, I'm going to uh send out notices probably updates at least monthly, but then maybe more frequently if there's some kind of emergency going on. So, I want to be able to communicate with everyone and be able to send out updates on a regular basis. The other is I will tell you that I very much have the feeling it feels a lot like 2020 um with some of the stuff that is going

on with social media and censorship once again. Um, and I felt it in March of 2020. And I even did a series of 14 uh videos, the purpose of which was to teach people to get off of centralized tech for everything from, you know, use library instead of YouTube, use Jity instead of Zoom, uh use cryptocurrency, decentralized cryptocurrencies, use uh um signals, so on and so forth because I sensed that the censorship was coming uh before it did, but I mean not too much before it did because I had uh Facebook pages and groups that totaled over 200,000 followers and by the end of day five my reach was capped at 50. So I

have that same feeling again. And you know we're already starting to see things like bitcoin.com which uh has had a very popular YouTube channel for a decade and is one of the most uh you know popular crypto wallets out there. they were removed from YouTube and they were given some flag that something like they're unsafe and they're dangerous or some something along those lines. They've never had a strike. And so this feels a lot like websites that were just getting shut down related to CO that were providing information that you know at the time you would have looked at the the getting the channel banned as well this doesn't make sense. Well, it made a lot of sense

90 days later when you saw that we, you know, we were fully moving into lockdown mode and that there were vaccines uh on the horizon. And so it makes me wonder something like bitcoin.com. What might be in store next? But you're also seeing things like there's a bot purge on X, which is which is good. I mean, you know, the bots aren't great, but then we're seeing things like implementing a facial recognition system for people that want to have their accounts unbanned. And so, we already have a heavy level of screening. And as I've said time and time again, X was designed, well, not as I've said, as Elon Musk said in a video clip that I've played, X was designed to replace the

WeChat, which is the heart of the social credit system in China. And that's exactly where it's going. So now we're talking about facial recognition, biometrics, you know, algorithms for that mean that define freedom of reach, so on and so forth. So um so you can provide again your email and uh and I'll send you the the report which I encourage you to share. And then the next thing I'm going to add to this is a discussion section because I want this to be a place for people to be able to organize and share additional information. But I'm I'm excited about the traction so far. I just did another interview um this afternoon. Uh and you know this topic this topic

came up and so people have been have been reading this and talking about it. And so I did an interview with Sarah Westall which I think will be out it may even be out during this podcast. I think that happened once last time but we discussed this. So people are are passionate about this and so I encourage you to check it out. technocracyatlas.com. Go to the state map section. Um, so I see that that Chris has hopped in, so I'm going to uh have him pop in. Hey, Chris, how are you? >> Hey, Erin. I'm good, thanks. >> Excellent. Thank you for doing this. >> Yeah. Uh, it's uh been a while since I've uh been doing interviews. Hopefully

all of my AV is set up. I've got some new things here I haven't used. >> I can hear you fine. Uh and Oops, sorry. Just about I knocked you off accidentally. I can hear you fine. Everything looks great on uh on my end. >> Fantastic. I see you've got a a lovely AI generated photo of me in a past age looking at the beard. >> Yeah, I know from talking >> thereof. Yeah, I know talking to you earlier. I know I uh this isn't this isn't your look now, but uh in any event, I thought uh thought we'd go >> good. I'm very pol look very polished, very very uh corporate boardroom. >> Yeah, exactly. So, um you know, just before we we jump into this, I you know,

I wanted to say, you know, my audience is fairly used to and by the way, if you're watching this, please like and share. This is my traffic is getting a bit shadowbanned. We should have higher numbers than this uh by this point. So uh something's happened. I don't know how the algorithm works, but please like and share this. This is incredibly important information uh to get out and like a lot of these cases. So, I talk about technocracy as the main focal point of this podcast, but I also talk about uh exiting the system uh and getting out of all of these systems using, you know, privacy coins, cryptocurrency, tokenization, private tokenization outside of the system. And

then unfortunately I've had to spend quite a bit of time talking about uh Crypto Prisoners of War uh which started with Ian Freeman uh back in 2023 and unfortunately has continued to expand to include Roger Ver and Roman Storm and many many others. And so so this audience, my normal audience is uh is fairly uh familiar with you know a lot of these concepts in a in a general sense. But one of the things I wanted to try to do with this is because I know even when you look at these court cases like Roman Storm who had his uh hearing today as to whether they're going to retry him on some of the charges that where there was no definitive conclusion the first time around. When you look at

these court cases oftentimes what happens is the jury has no idea what's going on and they don't understand the technical concepts. And so they see the Department of Justice there with five lawyers in suits and you know they see them showing all of these diagrams and everything else and their eyes glaze over and in the end it's just kind of like you know either out of a combination of fatigue or it's just it you know they baffled them with bullshit is another way to describe it. Um often times these people find themselves convicted because the concepts are difficult to understand for a general audience. So, what I'm hoping we can do tonight, and the reason I put some of

these slides together is I'm planning on making a lot of clips out of this, and so that hopefully we can uh get some some short clips out uh that that you know, hopefully one or more will go viral and then push people to the full interview because the whole story needs to be understood and there are ramifications. Uh Chris's story has incredible ramifications for for the for the entire world and for our ability to engage in voluntary trade outside of a technocratic prison system. So this is really that important. Um and uh fortunately Chris isn't a prisoner. So this is a rare case where I can actually talk to the person directly and they're not facing immediate incarceration. Not

that you haven't had your fair share of of challenges, but uh Chris is actually suing the equivalent of the Canad Canada's version of the CIA for $140 million. So, and my understanding is that this case is moving forward. So, this is a this is huge. This is something that never happens. And my guess is we're going to find that the deep state actors uh probably move into the entire five eyes. We're probably, you know, this probably digs into the US, UK, Australia, New Zealand in addition to Canada. So, this is really important. I urge you to to to listen to this. You know, if you have comments along the way, uh c certainly put them in. But my my goal here is to the best I

can to help try to to uh get this story um out in a way that that people can understand. And I'll just do a brief background on Chris. I before he was 30, uh Chris Horacer was CFO of Peter Schiff's brokerage firm, managing billions. And so he saw how the securities industry works from the inside and then tried to fix it. So he has an incredible background uh to be able to do this. By the way, he was a CPA from Deote uh where he was involved with auditing Fortune 500 companies. as I said, CFO of Europacific Canada, which is Peter Schiff's brokerage, uh, Mises Institute board member, so and Austrian Economics author. I mean, how how aligned could that be? And then he

learned about Bitcoin in 2010. So, he was one of Canada's earliest adopters, even earlier than me. Uh, which is which is great. So, this guy is an absolute uh OG. So, with that, uh, uh, welcome welcome to the show. Hey, thanks for having me on and thanks for that great introduction. >> Um, absolutely, absolutely. I one thing I mean before we get into this, I want to just refresh. I I I've talked about this a lot, the great taking and essentially, you know, the the idea and what I've been trying to explain to people is that you already don't own your stocks and you don't actually have them in your physical possession. And most people don't know how this works. Uh would you

would you mind explaining to people, you know, how kind of seed and co how this whole highlevel system works and and kind of the the scam behind how securities work. >> Yeah. Yeah. And you said something uh you used an old saying called uh uh if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit. And the world of finance and economics loves jargon. and they use jargon to conceal how they operate and the fact that what they're doing is not actually particularly unique or difficult uh was one of the many things I I've learned working in this industry. But uh essentially the same model of central

banking and money creation exists in the world of securities. They just call them different things. So instead of um you know uh instead of like a forex market you have a stock market. Instead of banks you have brokerages. Instead of clearing houses you have transfer agents. And instead of central banks you have central depositories. And the depositories are the ultimate legal owner. This is where your your company like uh seed and co uh comes from. They are the registered owner of

over 90% I would say of all the publicly traded securities in the country. And this is done uh basically by law from a system that was set up in the 1980s. Uh we had this uh problem called the paper blizzard in the 1970s where Wall Street, Bay Street, the the the the securities market or the securities industry is just choking on its own output. They literally cannot take all of these traded securities, cancel and reissue them under the new owners. That was the old model. And when you have your name on a stock certificate, that's called direct registration. In 1980s, they couldn't maintain this system with couriers and basically just

criers biking backpacks full of paper all over downtown New York or or or Bay Street in Canada or Vancouver. Um, so to fix the mess, they decided, well, we're just going to have one single owner of all of the securities, and then we're going to have uh credits or beneficial interests uh in these. And these that that the account that you have at your broker is a lot like the account that you have at your bank. You do you you have the cash and the cash is like the stock certificate. You give that to your banker and it's not yours anymore. The bank just going to take that. They're

going to lend it out whatever whatever they do with it to to make a bit to to make a fat spread. And you in return just get a credit on the bank's balance sheet that you call a bank account, but the bank calls you a li calls it a liability. And we trade around these liabilities of banks as if they were cash, which incidentally is also the liability of a bank. It's the liability of the central bank, the Federal Reserve or the Bank of Canada or the ECB or whatever you want to whatever you have in your in your area. And so this system was transplanted into the securities market around that time and we've kind of hobbled along ever since. But there

are some obvious problems to this uh particularly when one of the major institutions goes bankrupt like uh like a Lehman Brothers or an MF Global and you have a problem because whenever somebody goes bust you have three days of executed trades that are still up in the air that you haven't settled and now one of the counterparties is gone. gone or or the the person who is supposed to be processing the settlement is gone. So, how do we somebody has got to sweep in, figure out where all of this stuff is supposed to go and then hopefully get it

right and that takes lawyers and accountants and all those big legal process. So, you and you know it's a mess. We saw that 20 2011 Leman Brothers terrible time to be a client of of uh or sorry MF Global terrible time to be a client of John Cororsine. And uh but this is what we have folks. It's the same system. And so just like the banks are lending out your cash and it's being lent out to multiple people, the brokers are doing the same thing only they don't call it debt. they just call it rehypothecation or hypothecation. And so this is especially true if you own securities in a margin account because of course it it I think we all know or

ought to know that all the securities in a margin account is the collateral on that margin loan. And so yeah, it's technically the the brokers it's the broker securities at this point. they're going to lend them out to other people who want to short sell or do whatever whatever you need to borrow a security for. And so it introduces a lot of transactions into the system that otherwise actually wouldn't happen. Finance is very boring folks. If we got rid of most of the problems with money, uh, a lot of what you see in the marketplace is not going to happen because so much of it is people trying to stay ahead of the debasement of the currency. Uh so you get back to

more I guess traditional vehicles uh of saving and and actually like whole insurance was super popular way back in the day because not only did you have something that functioned a lot like a savings account, but you had insurance coverage that came along with it and you could borrow against the builtup value of your insurance policy. These days though, people call that infinite banking and and I don't know why, but it is what it is. Whole life insurance, folks. Check it out. It works. It's worked for a hundred years. A lot of wealthy families still use it because it works. They they do what works. They've survived this long because what

they do works. But, um, back to this system. I uh I spent a lot of time hands-on with it at Europe Pacific and uh it's called in the in the world of brokerages it's called the back office or the uh the post trade cycle and a lot of people's attention spans end at the exchanges and the brokerages and they don't they don't open the hood and look into what is happening after the exchange has executed your trade. And what happens is all of these executed orders are batched together and sent off to another company called a transfer agent. And just like a clearing house, the transfer agents are looking at all these movements of

securities from one account into another account. And it's netting everything and then coming up with the net settlement. And then that is sent to the depository who then updates uh the beneficial owners of each of these groups of securities. And so you have this daisy chain sandwich of risk. Uh and if any part of it collapses, it's it's big trouble. For that reason, a lot of depositories are actually the government. They're they're a crown corporation. They're a federally registered corporation. They're like the Federal Reserve. Uh and they operate with a government monopoly. That is not

the case in Canada or the United States. they uh they write some regulations and then then you can if you fit into that operating model then you can and you you you you can pay for the right licenses then you get to start a depository. Uh but your job's not done there. You still need to go to the exchanges and say you know please allow me to act as a as a custodian or as a depository. And um so if you look up uh if you go to like the New York Stock Exchange or you go to NASDAQ or the TMX and you look up you can you can just search for the list of authorized depositories. And this is important if you're an issuer because

that's who you deliver what's called a master certificate to. So, a master certificate, say I'm uh say I'm Google or Apple or whatever and I want to issue a billion shares and I'm not going to write I'm not going to break that billion up peace meal and write out, you know, thousands or tens of thousands or millions of share certificates. I write one single certificate for 1 billion shares in the name of seed and company. And then that gets shipped off to the depository and it kind of just sits there in a warehouse forever. Super exciting stuff, guys. Uh, and that's how this works. And

then the next layer I mentioned were the transfer agents. And the transfer agents, they're the clearing houses, the bookkeepers. Uh, from the issuers side, if I want to do an earnings distribution, again, I don't know who to mail the checks to. All I know my only shareholder is seed in company as far as I know. So I write a big fat check for the total amount of the distribution to the transfer agent who then parcels it out and mail mails out the individual checks or or does the the bank transfers to the ultimate beneficial owners. And so we have a a system fraught with risk. Uh eliminating counterparty risk especially after the collapse of Fanny May and Freddy Mack was a very very big

focus. uh that changed the way we audited companies and we implemented lots of new policies and procedures and now evaluating counterparty risk became a part of this. So, so if I was a a company and I had a a hedging portfolio full of interest rate swaps or currency futures or something, then pre previous to the 2008 collapse, we would not necessarily look at this. But now we start we had we started to because now counterparty risk was the name of the g game. And so you had to look at all of the underwriters of those swaps. Who was

going to pay out if these things went into the green? And are they capable? Are they liquid? Uh or are these guys just going to evaporate the moment you call them up and say, "Oh, you know, we're activating our our swap now and uh you have to start paying us instead of us paying you." And if they're the kind of organization that's just going to vanish into nothing as soon as that starts happening to any respectable degree, you know, it's like redemptions on a Ponzi scheme at this point. It it will cause it to instantaneously collapse. And so actually your your billion dollar hedging portfolio, sir, is not worth a billion dollars because the people

underwriting it don't even have a billion dollars. So it it we really started examining that and it got to the point for me where I like it just looked like a mess and it is this big giant mess. lots of problems, just trying to just limp its way forward. And then Bitcoin came along and and it landed on my radar right after it started gaining some uh monetary value. And uh that was about mid 2010, right after the Bitcoin pizza. Uh I still celebrate Bitcoin Pizza Day. It was the day I found out about Bitcoin, the day my life changed. for better or for worse, we're still figuring that part out, >> but

>> we all are. >> Yeah. And uh in almost instantly because I was I was already up to my eyeballs in the securities industry and I realized instantaneously, well, whoa, this tech, this blockchain thing, if it can do money, it can do all intangible assets. And that was really the the key application of the tech for me was in intangible assets. A lot of people are using it for real estate now, real estate titles, car titles. Uh, cool, great. But you still have a reconciliation that needs to be done with the real world. And you can't use that system to enforce your property rights. If government comes along and says, "We're taking your house. Sorry, get the fuck out." That's that's that.

and you can you can wave your blockchain or your or your private keys or your wallet in their face as long as you want and they're but they're still going to take your house. So the intangible asset application was a big deal for me and knowing that the securities industry was as big as it was it it you know it's an order of magnitude larger than the money markets and we haven't even considered the unlisted companies yet. So worldwide on all public stock exchanges about 10,000 companies. There's hundreds of thousands of companies trading over the counter. And that was really where I really wanted to introduce this system because of

a lot of people tend to perceive again things just from what they know. Most people don't know a depository or transfer agent. they've never dealt with one. And so they assume it was I was ruling out something like what they did know, which was an exchange. And so a lot of regulators would come to me and ask me about the exchange or my platform. And I'm like, what the hell are you talking about? We're we're software developers. We're not a financial institution. We don't match orders. We don't execute anything. We don't hold anybody else's assets. We write code. End of story. That's all we do. But they the regulators didn't want to hear that because of course they

can't tell they can't tell me how to run my business if that if all my businesses is is writing code. So that was sort of the beginning I think of our uh hot and cold relationship. >> Yeah. So I just want to say a couple things. Yeah. As before we move into this too much further. I it's my understanding that the CEO of seed and company is ex CIA. Is that is that true to your knowledge? I I don't know personally who that is. Um but I I would not be surprised. The the financial industry is infested with intel agents, informants officers, and just your run-of-the-mill communists

because, you know, communists love other people's money, and that's where you go to get other people's money. >> That that they do. And so, you know, so we've talked about the great taking on this show and the fact that in the US all 50 states have made changes to their UCCC laws that that make it so that next time there's a a collapse, which there's likely to be, you know, possibly imminently, um, everything that Chris was talking about. I mean, if your broker goes under, they've made it actually easier for secured creditors to end up with the economic ownership in the investments that you think that you own with a particular preference for larger banks and kind of too big to fail banks. So

this is a >> right because the the big brokerages and the big banks are typically the ones that actually provide the margin and so they will do that with the secure and the knowledge that that broker's entire book of assets is on the chopping block just to satisfy them before any account holder. >> Yep. Um so so this is important to know. So, I I often say on the show, I'm glad you're on here to explain it in more detail, but I'm like, you you do not own you don't own the money in your bank account. You don't own uh chances are you don't own these financial instruments. Again, 10% of the time you might, but you know, usually they're through uh these multiple third parties.

And now, I'm curious before we move in. I So, I got involved with a um blockchain called Ravencoin in I think late 2018, 2019. Where are where are you with what you were doing in terms of timeline? Uh, well, the project's dead. We have no funding. We have no employees. It's just me and the lawyers prosecuting the case. I think probably if I actually tried to start up the project again, I would be attacked relentlessly because of the the panic that I am seeing from the other side of this lawsuit. uh the the the tactics that they've

employed have been absolutely shameful and just downright illegal. Some of the things they're doing will land them in jail under criminal sentences for life in prison. Some of the things that they've done. So the the I guess the the incentive to stop me from doing anything at all apparently is is very high in the halls of the Canadian government within the Five Eyes community. And I I mean I don't necessarily know why because I mean if they could if they can handle Bitcoin I'm sure they could handle the Equitabit system. So yeah, I I think

surveillance-wise I don't think the Equibbit system necessarily threatened what they were doing because it's it's a fully open transparent system and you don't need to recruit brokers and exchanges to tell you what's happening in the marketplace. You could just go look yourself and anybody else can. So it really kind of epitomized the the stated virtues of these financial regulators. But what about the unstated virtues? And that's where you have to start thinking well and and this is where the great taking comes in. And you have these entrenched big players in the industry that don't ever want to take a loss. It's the whole reason why they pushed to have a central bank as

that lender of last resort. meaning bailouts and it was never there for anything other than bailouts. >> Yeah. So I when I I got involved with Ravencoin that the the idea behind Ravencoin was um and you know actually just I sent a text right now to Bruce Fenton who was one of the co-founders of that uh blockchain. It was a fork of Bitcoin. But he was working with Patrick Burn and Patrick Burn had started a company started a company called T0. And Patrick Burn's whole idea was hey, we have all this naked shortselling going on in the market and Wall Street doesn't want transparency because there's a whole bunch of, you know, shenanigans going on behind the scenes. So the

original idea was hey let's take you know it sounds like you already had the idea but take uh you know bitcoin bitcoin transparency and a blockchain uh that doesn't require third parties and let's apply it to a whole variety of to everything not just you know securities but he actually created a a curu of companies that were working on everything from you know supply chain for agriculture he created something called the blockchain tech stack for human civilization. His idea was you could apply this to voting. You could apply it to capital markets, land registration, anything could be tokenized. And Ravencoin was positioned to be the blockchain for that. It was an open-

source project, no corporate structure, so on and so forth. And I'm interested in the parallels between your stories because I I had, if you go back to season one, episode four of the Aaron Day show, I did an interview with Steven Nerio who was uh was arrested in the middle of the night by 11 FBI agents and was, you know, threat threatened and told that if he didn't basically turn over uh information or give dirt on a laundry list of people, including Roger Ver and Patrick Burn and and Bruce Bruce Fenton that he'd never see his kids again. And so he's currently suing uh the US government for just a massive amount of of money. They ended up dropping uh the charges. But one of the

things that they were really trying to pressure him on was that his claim anyway was that he created the legal structure behind the uh uh security uh token model as opposed to an ICO actually doing a legitimate uh STTO. and he claims to have created the legal structure behind that uh and claims that they were trying to take down Patrick Burn. And this was in 2019 as part of this whole thing. And so I bring this up because I think it might be interesting to compare nodes uh if we're looking at this from the perspective of kind of the five eyes more broadly. It seems very clear that any effort to uh get involved with the trading of

securities in a way that is truly peer-to-peer that gets rid of these third parties, there has been massive effort >> um to stop that. You know, >> more aggressive, reckless, and just in-your-face criminal than anything that ever came out of the banking industry against Bitcoin or or any of the cryptocurrencies. I was really shocked by just the the absolute brazeness of the regulator and I have them on tape. Uh we were we were the first ICO of Canada uh the Equitabit Group ICO. Uh if you ask the Ontario Securities Commissions, they're going to say it was this other company. But that was just one company that went to them

ahead of time and said, "Oh, please let they they tried to they they did it like an IPO and they went and they got a pre-approval and they went through they jumped through a whole bunch of regulatory hoops." But what I was doing was a true what I consider a true ICO. We were pre-mining a minable open-source blockchain. So these used to be called premine sale premines premine sales. That's a true ICO, at least in my opinion. Others don't necessarily agree, but you know, it is what it is. But uh that's what we were doing. And as far as I was concerned or as far as any of the other security lawyers in the world were concerned, this was a software pre-sale.

And software pre-sales are a thing they that have existed. Lots of software projects get funded with pre-sales. So you just get a you get the first release of the software. You get it maybe you get it early or you get uh you you get it at a discount. So you know you you you you paid 50 bucks in the pre-sale for a piece of software that is going to retail for 80 bucks or things like that. No securities regulator ever stepped in to any of these things. No, but no securities regulator ever stepped in to stop a condo pre-sale either. Uh but again, this is the same thing. We're we're we're we're you're paying for me

to build a property for you. And whether that's real property or digital property, at least legally, philosophically, shouldn't matter. But that was not the agenda. The agenda was we're going to use securities regulators to stop all development of this technology. Anybody who tries to raise money for this technology, put an end to it. Lickety split by any means necessary. And uh yeah, the whole OSC experience was just wacky. uh after I delivered the speech at uh an event in Toronto called TechT uh I was speaking to a room of like 7800 bankers and lawyers and accountants and people who worked in the financial

industry and I delivered a speech and I right afterwards I was approached by uh a partner and an associate from a very big law firm in Canada called Davies Ward Phillips and Vineberg. They became the company's external council and they liked what we were working on because of course they did a lot of securities transactions. They're the people creating all of that paperwork and they freaking hated it. They wanted me to finish this system so that they could then introduce it to all of their clients. And they weren't the only law firm that wanted to start doing this and big firms and asset managers. We had one asset manager who wanted to to migrate their entire portfolio onto Equit that

was managing over a trillion dollars, but uh so big money wanted to use this and so naturally we had to be stopped. And uh but we set to work kind of analyzing the the the equit coin from a securities laws standpoint because we wanted to do a pre-sale and they were pretty convinced that uh there was Oh, sorry my Okay, thank you. They were convinced Sorry, my be uh my nanny is just telling me one of my kids has fallen asleep. But uh so um we we uh we wanted to do this. We wanted to do the pre-sale. We

analyzed the shit out of it and they concluded not a security. So that's that. No need for registration, no need for prospectus, anything like that. We went to the OSC in December 2016. We had a meeting with the leaders of a group in there called Launchpad, which turns out to be an entrapment scheme. Literally every company that went to this group in in in the OSC was ultimately destroyed. Um and uh we met with the head of Launchpad and and the T their top legal person and and presented the whole system to them, which by all accounts they loved. They said, "This is this is cool. This is

really interesting. Keep going. And I asked them,"Well, do you think the coin is a security?" And they declined a comment. They just said, "Ask some lawyers." And okay, well, we've already been to the top law firm in the country. They say it's not a security. So, it sounds like we've got our green light to proceed. And we did. And we opened up the the pre-sale in February of 2017. And a couple of weeks into it, we get an email from the Ontario Securities Commission. Oh, we've received an anonymous tip that you might be engaged in in the unregistered uh or the sale of unregistered securities and we need to talk to you or you you blah blah blah blah blah and you need to start

answering all of our questions because we might begin an enforcement action against you. And uh so we start talking to them and we're are all of our audio recorders are running. And not only did we get them to admit they had not read anything in our terms and conditions, they hadn't read our white paper, they had literally done no research on us at all before calling us and taking action. And they were pretending like we never even were at their offices like two months ago. And uh so they weren't they they we got them to admit that and then we got them

to tell us well go ahead and finish your pre-sale which we did of course and then a few months after that they slapped us with an enforcement action for conducting the pre-sale. So, of course, we play their own words right back to them and then that in that enforcement action immediately vanishes. And I guess at this point, the deep state realized, oh well, we can't take this guy down via an entrapment scheme, so we're just going to destroy the company. And so one of my, as it turns out, one of my business partners was a CEUS

officer. And I had known this man for years before I even started the Equibbit project. We met in 2010, shortly after I had conceived of the idea, and I had mentioned it to him the very day we met. And I think maybe now this is why this guy stuck around uh because he was always encouraging me to to start software projects. And we did do one prior to Equibet which didn't really go anywhere very at all. And maybe that was by design. And I think he was just waiting for me to do the blockchain one because whatever story or narrative that the the five

eyes were going to use me for and create and have me be the fall guy for some sort of crypto debacle, which is what they've been producing for the news cycle now for year after year after year after year. Every year there's four or five of these crypto debacles and uh you look at them in any sort of scrutiny or or or or you give them any sort of attention and it's very obvious that these are all deep state cons like like f the implosion of FTX was obviously planned in advance. Uh but it's thrown around the news cycle like, "Oh, look at these terrible unregulated exchanges and you know, we're going to listen to uh Mr. Wonderful, uh Kevin

Olirri, who is selling FTX stock and bragging about all the due diligence he did on this company. Is he going to jail? No. Has he even been charged? Is there an investigation going on?" Like, he had to know that this was fake. that that that they had just unloaded everything off into a special purpose vehicle and had some methhead woman trading it down to zero basically. So that's what they wanted the public to see the crypto industry as. They don't want it to look like it's being spearheaded and led by people who think reasonably and conscientiously about these issues and really care about the end product and and who's going to use

it and what kinds of problems they're going to solve in society. Uh those aren't the goals. The goals are are pump and dumps for black ops and liel and pillery the real the people who are in that industry trying to do real stuff. And I wasn't going to have any of that. So phase two of uh this this officer's plan I guess was just to just destroy the company. And uh so one of the the the lead developer for the core uh disappears from the company. He goes awall for a couple of weeks and then comes back with this fantastical

story about being uhounded by Ceus who then appears to have threatened his naturalization process because he was a Russian who had been living and working in Canada for the last 10 years and was about to get his citizenship and he didn't want that getting messed up. And so of course I think CEUS knew exactly what button to push to flip this guy over to their side which is seems to be exactly what happened. And they recruited him. They made him go to Russia to divest himself of a company he had started with some old friends of his back there. And why would you do that? That you wouldn't Canad a Canadian citizen can own shares of a Russian company. That's not a big

deal. But a Canadian spy spying on Russia ought not to own shares of Russian companies. So this is this is an independent security clearance thing that they made that guy do. And so he's undoubtedly working for CEUS in one capacity or another now. But what they had him do was basically smash to bits the communications system that was pivotal to our system. Uh, one of the major breakthroughs we did was was being able to do a cross-chain atomic swap right out of the wallet. It was literally like you would you would use the communication system to broadcast a uh an order and the all the network nodes

would hear this and anyone that wanted to respond would then open up a secure communications channel with you. exch you would exchange hashes and keys and everything you need to do to complete the swap and you know click click done. And we demoed that and within months the company was destroyed because at that moment we proved to every custodian and transfer agent in the world that their goose was cooked that that we had succeeded in what we had set out to build and that there was absolutely no way they would be able to pivot and compete against it. You're selling horse. You're selling horses and buggy whips at this point. Uh Mr. DTCC and Computer Share

and I'm Mr. Ford and I'm just going to flood the market with Model T's and drive you out of business. >> Yeah. No, this is a really big deal and I I try to explain this to people. I Are you familiar with a a project called Zeno? >> Uh I don't think so. No. >> So I so I went I So I started with with Ravencoin and I I got I was intrigued by the idea of being able to tokenize any any asset. uh securities being one application and by the way one of the applications one of the things that that tokenization makes possible is you know you talk about large public companies or even uh over the counter but there's a really big opportunity for for startups I mean at this point there's I one of

the things I've been saying to people for a long time is the SEC is not here to protect investors the SEC is here to protect incumbents they create a massive barrier that makes it very expensive and if you're starting a company and you're a first-time entrepreneur and you have to spend $30 to $50,000 on legal fees just to be able to raise money. And then you can only raise money from people that have a high net worth. That is a that's a horrible situation in terms of um you know stunting entrepreneurial growth and they want it that way. I mean so these technologies threaten that in a in a massive way and it's not to say it won't be abused but but they're not protecting the the

abuse. they're trying to protect themselves. And so this is a big deal. What he's talking about here with atomic swaps is the ability to uh to settle and trade these securities without a third party. And that and you know so what Zeno is is a one of the lead developers behind Zeno created cryptonote which is the technology behind Monero. He was one of the main developers of Monero. So you can create privacy tokens and then they've created something called ionic swaps where you can swap you can create tokens and then you can swap wallet to wallet privacy tokens without third parties. Um but it sounds like I mean what you were doing was way ahead like this is pioneering critically

important stuff for the ability to be able to engage in trade without third party. >> Yeah. Yeah. We were we had a very very razor sharp focus and and I think because I understood the the edi the entire edifice of the securities industry, I knew exactly what functions were performed by who and not only that but who I could disrupt while gaining the support and appribation of the larger securities industry because brokers and exchanges don't particularly like the depositories and transfer agents. They see them as kind of just like it's just a sunk cost. You got to do it. There's nothing we can

do about it. They can't be changed. We're just stuck with it. We hate it. It's slow. We're all beholden to their policies that have not changed in 40 years. And so, yeah. Oh, you're saying you can we we you saying you have a solution to all this? fan fucktantastic because this is costing us billions of dollars a year. And you mentioned investor protections and and security regulation and you're you're 100% bang on. Like the securities regulators do not exist to protect investors. That is an absolute farce. And it it has to be a farce because the Ontario Securities Commission's sister agency

is the Ontario lottery. So here we have an agency saying we're going to protect you investors and we're going to protect you by saying you're not accredited investors. All these rich assholes are accredited investors and they get to invest their money in the most lucrative and productive component of the economy, startups. So no, you don't get to invest in startups which have historically a one in 10 chance of succeeding by the way. So you don't get a one in 10 chance of making money. We're going to protect you

by taking away that choice and we're going to and so if you want to do something go to the lottery >> because the odds of you are the odds are so much better than one in 10 right in the lottery. >> Yeah. >> Uh I I brought up this very point on stage in a room full of people including pe people I knew to be from the Ontario Securities Regulator. They had a table over in the corner and I say this and I'm like, they're not here to protect you folks. We need to get rid of these guys. Get rid of the accredited investor regulations. Like it like this is just some weird thing that the US did and then Canadians decided to import it because every bad idea that ever came out of the

United States was replicated enthusiastically by the Canadian government. Uh but it doesn't exist in Europe. uh or many other countries. This is just a this is you know why and why and it's it's so that the the richest and wealthiest people have this uh captive corner of the marketplace which also happens to be the most profitable part of the market all to themselves. >> That's exactly right. You don't get to invest in it as the average guy until after the people that are in early have made 100x or a thousandx. And this is all done to protect you, right? You you're essentially you're the exit

liquidity. >> Exactly. That's what IPOs are exit uh exit plans for the founders and the and the venture capitalists. >> Yep. So yes, >> that's not the beginning. I I I mean I've done venture capital. I've done startups. IPOing is the end for us and then we're and then we're gone. like we've already taken the most lucrative and profitable time of this company for ourselves and we're just bailing out and letting letting Bay Street and Main Street uh or let letting Main Street have uh you know the the scraps the the that we're going to leave them after we've carved out the the the biggest uh

bumps in profitability. you know, we've all got our our our 100x or thousandx and and we're good. >> Yeah. So, if you're listening to this, I mean, understand this is this is literally the way that is it is structured. There's that no one is you're the only thing you're being protected from is is uh generational wealth a and it's by design, but there's something about Chris's story that I think it's important for people to know because uh this happens again and again. We talked about it with Ian Freeman, with Roger Ver, Roman Storm. In all of these situations, these aren't people that went out and flagrantly violated the law and said, you know, hey, you know, screw you, screw your laws. These

are actually people that went to the trouble of employing, you know, the best legal counsel around. And, you know, a lot of this stuff may be murky, but there were opinion letters in in all of these cases. Ian Freeman had an opinion letter stating he didn't need a money transmitter license. Chris had >> we we had a no action letter from from the Swiss securities regulator saying Equit is not a security. Come here do your ICO you don't have to register. >> Yep. So, so again, so the thing to understand here is and yet even still the way this ends up getting portrayed in court or the way the government tries to portray it in the media is that these these are are somehow bad people that

intentionally violated the law. That's always how they try to position it. It couldn't be further from the truth. But the the other thing that's really interesting about Chris's story is that he created a system that was fully transparent that did comply with KYC AML. So, so the important part here for everybody to understand is that this isn't even an attempt to divert the system. This is literally an attempt to make the system what people already think it is, but it isn't, which is an actual transparent system where where where the game is actually fair and where you might actually have the ability to uh find bad behavior. It could actually do it could actually do

AML better than any system that currently exists because the we we incorporated something called uh a web of trust and this was a a cryptography invention from like the early cipher punk ages from back in the days of like when Adam back was creating hash which went on to be a major component of Bitcoin. Somebody else created something called a web of trust and it was it was just a science experiment. It was like oh look at this cool thing I can make our encryption algorithms do and oh yeah okay and we'll just kind of just we don't see any practical applications for this. Well, I did. I did. Well, one of my partners

did. He brought it up to my attention and then I figured out how to actually uh turn this and make into transactions on a blockchain. And what the web of trust allowed was uh for issuers uh or um yeah it allowed issuers to basically designate groups of addresses that their securities could circulate within but never be transferred out of. And this would be enforced automatically by the miners as part of the transaction validation check. Is this is Oh, I see this is on a restricted network. Okay. Is the receiving address part of the the authorized addresses? Nope. Okay. Not a

valid transaction. You don't get mined. And again, tested worked. And so yeah, as a as an issuer, you could do this yourself or you could appoint uh a third-party agency. And we envisioned PE and we envisioned companies springing up around this whole process of just vetting investors and then saying, "Okay, now and then they would just certify your address and say, okay, this address belongs to that person. They've passed all of the checks. They're in the clear. They're not a terrorist or a a human trafficker or something like that. And yeah, so they're safe. And right now that

functions kind of like on the honor system. Somebody has to put eyes on everything and decide whether or not to allow that h to happen. Whereas with our system, it was all automatic. It was enforced by cryptography and it was absolutely unbreakable and unfuckwithable. And that was a huge selling feature for issuers and and these uh these these vetting companies, these there are already companies that have collections of accredited investors that you as a as a as a startup, if you want to raise money, you go to these these they're kind of like like an investor clubs basically. But uh there's money in doing that. And we would make those kinds of

we would really open up a new market for those kinds of companies to come over to Equibit and just continue on doing what they're doing, vetting investors, building lists, and then charging issuers for the ability to connect to them. So they're circ so then they could circulate amongst those addresses. And it was it was perfect. It was beautiful. Uh and uh I I I'm a simplicity guy. I love simplicity. Anybody can introduce complexity into a system to add more functionality, but it takes real effort to do that while simplifying a system. And I I that was also kind of one of our

core values. And we we built and rebuilt and rebuilt different features over and over and over again trying to find the most efficient way of getting to whatever endpoint it was we were looking for computationally uh from a memory usage standpoint because Bitcoin is already super inefficient. Uh I it's not going to outrun uh Visa or Mastercard anytime soon, but it's it's stable and stability more than anything is what you want at the foundation of your financial system. You can figure out ways of

making it faster and cooler looking after, but the foundation has to be rock solid because we're talking about something that has to carry billions or trillions of dollars and quadrillions of dollars of transactions and you don't get to screw that up once. >> Yep. Absolutely. Um, so let let's talk a little bit more about this. So the the so the developer that that you had already known for years was a fed >> turned into well so that I I feel like there were multiple there there were there were two officers

and multiple informants. Uh so the officers were the two people I had originally founded the company with. One of them was my friend. He was he went on to be the best man at my wedding. And he was also encouraging me to start this start developing this crypto idea. He's like, I'll help you. I'm a developer. Look, I can make websites. I can make all these other things. And let's let's do that together. I want to do this with you, Chris. and uh he instantly brings in what appears to be his uh his partner because there's always two. There's always two. They're like Siths. There's always two.

And uh for the for the Star Wars fans out there. And uh from there it seems like they converted my lead core developer into an informant or or somebody who they just said, "Okay, well, you're going to help us destroy this company and that's going to be kind of like your initiation into our little spy circle." And uh so I that seems to have been the route it played out or that that seems to be the the actors involved and yeah I it seems like a lot of effort to go through just to entrap me but

I don't know maybe they thought I was valuable because of my role in the world of finance in Canada. I had access to some of the most sensitive financial systems in the country. I'm routinely talking to CEOs and CFOs of the country's largest companies. Maybe maybe somebody in there had a real heart on for me and they're like, I want this guy working for us. Well, listen, I mean, this is a this is a theme. So, Steve Nario, who I mentioned earlier, uh developed the STTO structure for T0. Um, and then he ended up also being the one of the founding partners of Ethereum. He actually drafted the documents for Ethereum

Foundation for their token sale. There's a really kind of an interesting long saga. >> This was Manny. This wasn't Manny Eager. I think this was somebody else you're talking about. >> No, this is Steven Nurio. >> Yeah. Okay. And um and so and so this is the guy who I'd mentioned earlier who you know the FBI broke into his house in the middle of the night, threw him in a van, and basically told him they were going to destroy his life unless he you know they gave him like a two-page list of names of people to to give up information on which he didn't do and then spent time in prison that destroyed everything that he was working on and and then eventually they dismissed the

case. But now and now he's counter suing. But it's a similar thing because at least from you know from his story and his perspective you know he was involved with T0 and trying to get STOs off the ground in the US and the whole story of I still don't know what happened to Patrick. Do you know Patrick Burn? >> I Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I mean he he became a big supporter of the Mises Institute in the US uh years ago uh when he was still CEO of Overstock before he even left to start his blockchain stuff. Uh so I was very familiar with Pat. I liked uh what he was doing and you know he's supporting the Mises Institute so that was always nice. We uh the Mises

Institute in Canada our big benefactor was Eric Spratt. I don't know if you know him, but he uh he hasn't been in the media for a little while. He's retired now, but uh yeah, about 10 years ago, he he's was talking a lot about gold and silver and the gold and silver miners and central bankers and all that good stuff. You'd like him. >> Well, yeah, but so Patrick Burn goes all in on he was trying to take Overstock and turn it into a blockchain company. He wanted to completely get out of e-commerce. And in fact, he was actively trying to raise about $500 million from China. And all of this money was going to go into these blockchain companies. Most of it was going to go into TZ. And

I still can't tell cuz he's got a lot of stories now. And it like it shifts all the time. And now he's claiming hot surprise. I've been a CIA agent for, you know, decades. I So I' I've I've kind of struggled to follow some of the plot at this point. But but nevertheless, after talking to Steve Nario off, it does seem like in 2019, there was a very concerted effort to destroy Patrick Burn and to destroy his effort to move this into to go into blockchain. And the biggest the crown jewel of his entire blockchain strategy was T0, which is sounds like exactly uh aligned with what you were doing. And in fact, I remember at one point I was supposed to meet with him.

he was supposed to to you know meet at my house and he ended up uh going to Boston instead because he was trying to buy Box which is I guess what a Canadian options exchange. They were actually trying to to buy that and use that for the tokenization of security and it literally never got off the ground because Patrick got pushed out and then and then the people that remained basically got rid of all of the black you we lost so much ground by the way. Imagine a half a billion dollars invested in companies building ecosystems around tokenization in 2019. Imagine if that had been allowed to happen where we might be today. And that and that got killed and it was very systematic. And

so like I said this they they abs I have there's no doubt in my mind that uh the idea of tokenizing securities uh and being able to trade those without third parties is enemy number one. I mean that is a massive threat to the system. >> Yeah. I mean, had had we launched Equibbit when we intended to, uh, today we'd be approaching peak mining reward blocks. Uh, we we designed the system to actually the block production followed a bell curve just like any mine of any natural resource does. And uh so yeah,

we wanted to push maximum production rates way out into the future because we didn't want to flood the market with newly minted coins immediately. That seemed like a silly thing to do, especially for the the people who participated in the ICO. You're going to just dilute them like crazy the moment you start launching the network. Uh so didn't really want to do that. The natural production curve to me seemed like the right option. And yeah, so we would be heading towards probably the most exciting moment in mining Equitabits. And uh we'd go about six, seven years into operations. There'd probably be hundreds or thousands of companies on there being actively traded right now.

Probably billions in market cap and tens of billions or hundreds of billions in transaction volume. So I want everybody to think about this. So the what he's saying is is clearly true now because now what do we have? Now we have uh Larry Frink uh Black Rockck CEO who's also co-chair of the WF at Davos saying everything's going to be tokenized. Now now all of a sudden there's a big embrace for tokenization except that the thing is when you look at the Genius Act and the Clarity Act, they're keeping the custodians. They're keeping the third parties. So, you can now start to see exactly >> what's going on here. What Chris created is something >> that would have added transparency to

markets and would have empowered people and would have taken and would have made markets more efficient. They didn't want that. But we're still getting tokenization now. But the tokenization we're getting now involves maintaining these third parties, these custodies, custodians. But it also involves all of this real- time transaction information which gets shared with governments and foreign central banks. And you know it essentially gives them control because inevitably the way the legislation is going is ultimately it's going to be programmable and something that that these third parties can censor. So this is why we we see the after effect of of what's happened here, right? They they

had to >> financial censorship is they have to keep that in place. >> They have to keep this in place. And so this is why what Chris uh created is so important. This is why it's so important now. This is why I still tell people this is why I've moved towards privacy tokenization. And not that that doesn't have its own set of issues, but I actually I will say privacy in general because these we're dealing with, you know, these tokenized system, whether it's tokenized money, whether it's stable coins, which are tokenized money that can be centrally controlled or the way they're going to try to tokenize all of our assets. This is kind of the dystopian technocratic version of it.

And and you know, one way out of that may be through privacy tokenization. But this is u this is fascinating. So again, I I hope if you're listening to this, if you have questions, please feel free to ask. I just want to make sure that we're explaining this the the magnitude of what's happened here. And we've even got into there there's a lot more to go into, but >> this is this is massive what what has happened here. And it and it seems like it all happened around the same time in the US and Canada, >> which we'll get into, I guess, the I don't know how much of it speculation on the five eyes side of this, but this is um uh just shocking. Uh, >> we haven't even we haven't even talked

about my honeypot. >> No, snooping around trying to trying to access my honeypot. But um yeah, this phenomenon of innovative tech companies vanishing, their inventions vanishing and then years later these toned down, mutilated versions of the tech being reintroduced by big players saying, "Oh, look at this great innovation we just came up with." I mean, that's that that's that's the Equitabit story as well, because just in December, the SEC granted DTCC uh a no a three-year no action letter to start pilot testing a blockchainbased

securities registration system. Basically, exactly what we were launching with Equibbit, only this one is a closed environment. You still have to go to DTCC and pay DTCC fees to use this. They will be the ones issuing the tokens for your securities and you still have to go through DTCC to use what ought to be free open- source software. So, it's just they're taking something that was designed to be for an entirely different delivery method and they're trying to wrap their pricing structure around it. And the only way they can do that is by crippling the technology. And now the other technology that we

developed uh that we see now being reintroduced to the industry years after we had done the hard work of inventing it was uh HSM wallets. And an HSM is is is a hardware security module. It's basically a modern-day enigma machine. Uh, and these are used by big banks, big financial institutions, the military, the CIA, huge corporations. Like when you when you go and you buy an SSL certificate from your website, the private key that they use to sign that certificate is generated and housed within one of these modules.

Uh, they cost more than a car. uh they're they're super sophisticated uh encryption machines. And back in like 2015, we theorized that we might be able to use one of these things as a crypto wallet. And in 2016, we succeeded. And I I I said, "Great, fantastic. We're gonna put this on the shelf for now and finish the protocol because we do have to launch that first. And then now we have an enterprise wallet product ready and waiting to go.

And so after our company went under years later, like in 2019 at this point, 2020, we start seeing HSM wallet companies start popping up all over the place. One of them, one of them gets acquired by PayPal for like a rumored $250 to $300 million. So, of course, all of this is going into our damages assessment because we can prove we were the first to market with these things. And so, the company was destroyed. Our ideas were pillaged and now are being reintroduced by establishment people as if it was their own invention. And

this is this is the history of IP, folks. Uh, I mean, yeah, if if they can't uh corrupt or blackmail a founder into running their company the way the deep state wants it run, they'll destroy it, pillage the IP, and then launch their own companies years later with that with that stuff, you know, or uh they just kill you and, you know, you go the way of Stanley Meyers >> and They never reintroduce your tech. >> Yep. Um this is absolutely true. And one of the things that they do in the US is uh they have something called we have the

invention secrecy act of 1952 >> where um you submit your patent and uh they may determine that it is a threat to national security or economic security, not allow you to publish it, not allow you to even talk about your invention or it's an automatic 10 or 20 years. So, so, so the scenario here is if you submit IP, uh, they'll steal it and suppress it and then later go on and develop it or all of the tactics that Chris is talking about. And, and listen, Chris, this is kind of a bit impromptu, but uh, Ray Yousef has just popped in. >> Okay. Do you know Ry? >> Yes, I do. I I I heard about his uh, I was in Aapulco as well. Uh, well, for an Archipulco. I didn't go to Monerotopia,

but I heard about uh what happened to him after he got off stage there. >> Yeah. So, do you mind if I bring him up? I mean, I know we've still got a little bit. I usually I do a Q&A uh at the end, but uh uh do you mind if I bring him in? >> Yeah, bring him on. Bring him on. It's great. >> Ray, how are you? >> I'm good, brother. I'm doing great. I heard what you guys were talking about. But yeah, I've been researching all that lost science for, you know, that we've lost for about seven years. And the amount of innovation that came out of America and was suppressed, I think, is honestly one of the greatest crimes in humanity. Good points. >> Yeah. Not a single development team, by

the way, has demonstrated a crosschain atomic swap since since we did that. Not one. That's that's crazy. It just >> which is tragic. That that was like for years and years and years that was like the holy grail of crypto was crosschain atomic swaps. We needed we needed to access liquidity within and across chains. And you know the I think it was the the Tier Nolan hashtime lock contract atomic swap protocol was like he had already done about 60 to 70% of the work. We had to add a couple of things in front of that uh so that it would work entirely within

the wallet. And yeah, and then we demoed it. And then we demoed it early 2018 and yeah, then we were pretty then we were wrecked pretty soon after that. So what was the story with the honeypot and then this the situation with your wife? >> Oh well, uh yeah, it's uh it's it's a mess. It's a mess. I if you if you don't believe yet that I have been targeted, you just need to to hear all the rest of the shit that I have in my evidence file. But uh so uh it's 2019, the company is, you know, drawing its

last and final breaths and uh I'm about to file my lawsuit against the government. Now, at this point, I I already know that CEUS is on to us in one form or another, and uh I expected them to start trying to hack me. So, I built my own honeypot with uh with a free honeypot software package called Honeypie. uh bought a little Raspberry Pi in set it all up, put it on my network and I named the computer Equabit and within 24 hours

it logged a computer trying to access it and that computer's IP address traces back to a US government network. Not only not just any US government network, a NASA network. >> Wow. >> Now, why is NASA breaking into my network at home? What is their po what possible what possible interest could they have in me or or or my my project? I think it might

have something to do with a book I was preparing to get published here called uh this is called the apocalypse of Yajalkia. And I uh >> Oh, can can you hold that up again? I'm going to let me uh >> you might need to flip the screen there for this part. >> I think that was good. >> But it's on Amazon and Barnes & Noble, all the bookstores. It's got great distribution. But, uh, that book does deal in a lot of topics that I think people at NASA might be interested in. Uh, and so I was frantically working on

what uh on this after I had received the manuscript. And uh, so maybe that was why it was a NASA computer. Maybe it was just my CESUS hacker using a VPN and he happened to have a proxy in NASA. I don't know. But either way, there's a US government computer illegally breaking into uh a Canadian network. >> Wow. Well, maybe they wanted to, you know, prevent investments from going to the moon before uh before they did again, but uh who knows that that is that is crazy. So, um so where is this book available? >> Uh it's on Amazon. It's on Amazon at Barnes & Noble. Uh you can get the ebook

through all of there as well. It's also available through Scribed. And yeah, the the comp the distribution company is Amazon obviously, but also um Ingram Spark and Ingram Spark supplies like 30,000 bookstores all over the world or something like that. So you shouldn't have any problem finding it. But this gets into technocracy and ancient history and and the UFO phenomenon and it links it all together with an extraordinarily compelling narrative that is really hard to ignore because it has DNA proof of what it's saying played out in ancient times. So we can lit when

it says that you know people from West Africa went into the Middle East and were met by the native people living in the Middle East and and and written about in their legends as gods or fallen angels or Anunnakis and all this kind of stuff that actually happened folks and we know exactly when. And uh this book lays out the entire story and we get into the book of Enoch and hermeticism, lots of occult stuff and but also we cover basically every religion that has ever existed. Uh and it's a mindblower uh boys and girls. Wow. Like I had been studying this stuff since I was a teenager. So I was already

about 25 years in on this subject matter. And when I read the manuscript, my head was just spinning after this. I couldn't believe what I just read. Uh, and yeah, referenced with, you know, DNA records, lot hundreds and hundreds of studies. It's not channeled woo woo stuff. This is it could have been an academic work if it wanted to, but we did not want to package it that way because I think it's a lot more interesting written in the voice it's written. So, I hope you agree. >> Well, I just downloaded the book and in fact I' I'd love to have you on to talk about that separately. So, and I actually just put a link everyone in the

comments to this book. Uh this sounds uh this sounds fascinating. So uh wow. All right. >> Well, thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty far departure from encryption and cryptocurrencies and all that kind of stuff. But maybe not. Maybe not. Maybe maybe this stuff is all related somehow. And uh it does seem to me that the ruling powers of this world are racing against a timeline that they themselves did not set. Uh and they're now rushing towards something that involves UFOs because we keep hearing about UFO disclosure coming any moment now.

Interestingly enough, uh Eric Weinstein did just did an interview on Joe Rogan where he's like, "Uh, oh, somebody from the CIA has been telling me for the like he started telling me like three years ago, oh, we're going to bring you in. We're going to show you some stuff. It's going to change your world. You'll never be the same after that." He's like, "And that was three years ago and it's just never happened since then." And well, three years ago almost to the day is exactly when this was published. So maybe it threw a monkey wrench into some sort of plan or not. >> Was that Hal put off by any chance? That was >> No, that was Eric Weinstein. >> No, no, Eric Weinstein.

>> He's uh Yeah, he's the he's like a hedge fund mathematician geek kind of guy. his brother, his brother is the the the professor at I think at one of the universities that got really famous and popular because a whole bunch of wokeist students were just freaking out at him because they were having like a a day without white people on campus and he was just like screw that I'm going to work. >> I I actually I know Brett Brett Brett and I are both fellows at the Brownstone Institute and I was just on the Dark Dark Horse podcast so I know uh >> Okay. So yeah, it's his brother Eric. It's his brother Eric >> and he's a frequent guest on Rogan. They're both very very intelligent guys.

>> Yeah, absolutely. Well, that's all right. Well, I've got this book that has now moved to the top of my uh top of my list. That sounds that sounds fascinating. So this uh so there are a lot of angles here. Um >> yeah, I mean I you know 44 years old I I haven't been doing only one thing my entire life, believe it or not. Um but uh yeah, but if anybody wants to learn more about the lawsuits and follow along with that, they could go to uh equibbitlawsuit.com. Forgive me for the website. I slapped it together in like two days getting prepared for this show. So it's it ain't a looker, but it's the it's a start.

>> Well, I put the uh I put the link in there as well. And uh certainly we've got we've got more to more to discuss here. So what what is this story with the World CryptoCon? >> Oh my World CryptoCon. What a shit show. Well, uh after I gave a talk to a room that was set up for 2,000 attendees and there was like three people in it. Very weird talking to a big giant empty room. But uh yeah, I uh I had to race back to Switzerland to try and continue saving the company and my wife stayed behind uh for a couple of more days to finish off the conference because then she was going to head to Toronto to visit her

her family and get a a medical procedure. And literally the evening I am gone, two men from Australia drugged and attempted to kidnap her, which is just so from Australia. So this this sounds like potentially Five Eyes. >> 100% it's Five Eyes. And I've positively IDed the two men. One of them is a crypto influencer is one of these guys on YouTube basically shilling ICO scams which by the way folks those are all black ops funding op that's how they do

this like probably I'd say I I would guess more than half of all the ICO scams were actually the CIA or some element of the five eyes or authorized official criminal operations uh just to money into into black budgets and black programs. But uh yeah, this guy was ran a channel pumping these things. Uh his name is uh Rev Nissan and he was there with a friend of his so-called named uh Assam Eltermani. both uh both guys from Australia and uh they they had come to uh an event in in that evening at a club. Uh my wife was there

in a private booth with a couple of our friends. Uh but being a crypto influencer, they got they they invited these people into the booth with them. And uh the only drink my wife had that evening was handed to her by Rev Nissan. And we believe based on the effects she described that it was GHB, which is a well-known uh date rape drug. And uh yeah, they were trying to get her out of the club with them. And uh what uh I think they didn't

realize is that my uh my wife has some experience being drugged and raped unfortunately. And the moment she started feeling the influence of this drug, uh she just went fullon nuclear mode. Just kill everything you can lay your hands on. And so it she's just completely feral at this point. And four security people had to drag her out, you know, one security guy per limb basically drag her out, throw her in a cab, and send her back to the hotel. And thank God uh that's all that happened because I don't know if she would have been raped and then left

or raped and kidnapped and ransomed back to me or or what that could have turned into. But we have managed to dodge a few bullets along the way. Thank you, Lord. And uh forever grateful for that. >> Yeah. I mean, you know, again, if you're listening to this, this stuff sounds hard to believe. I I I I will tell you I'm seeing patterns that this is not this should be unique but I mean this kind of stuff happens all of the time. I remember >> yeah you know I was um uh when I was trying to raise awareness about Roger Ver's campaign some some article came out and uh I don't know all the players involved. I know Brock Pierce is involved somewhere and there was some

crypto scam out of Connecticut and they were they were actually kidnapping people and uh and and trying to you know ransom them and you know fortunately Roger Roger probably if he had been in the US that they he probably would have been a clear target based on what was going on here. So this whole idea of feds and uh you know people from the government infiltrating this happened in Ian Freeman's case they had a Fed infiltrate uh Free Talk Live. In fact they had someone come and spread COVID uh to everyone uh you know in the radio studio that that was that was one of the contributions uh by one of the feds. So so this stuff is this stuff is absolutely real. I mean, it's it's it's

crazy, I think, for most people to believe. And I think part of it is that part of what's hard to get the story out is it seems so unbelievable. But the fact that it actually happens so often, we should probably get a panel together to kind of share stories so that people understand that this is this is not an isolated event. This is an actual standard practice. >> Yes, standard practice. I that I wanted you to get there because I I wanted to bring up a story actually maybe seven eight years old now. But the guy has finally been sentenced. Um, but he was, this is a guy who was a CIA officer and he was assigned to a particular area of the United States and

they never said what his real job was, but it appears that his job was to drug, kidnap, and rape women because the only reason this guy went down is because one of the women he had kidnapped came out of her druginduced stuper and managed to get out of his apartment and out onto the streets. And then the local police noticed. So at this point, yeah, the CIA throws him under the bus, disavows everything, and now he's in jail. But this guy is alleged to have drugged and raped hundreds of women. So like, how how are you doing anything else other than profiling and targeting women to drug and rape? And to what end?

Like are you just trying to get the crime stats up in a particular jurisdiction for some reason or are you just spreading terror and uncertainty or like what is the goal? What's your angle? Because these are for lack of a better word these are all PR stunts or scops. astroturf campaigns and fake protesters and crisis actors and it like you know the all these things and you're watching TV all these thing everything you see coming off of your TV or your computer screen needs to go through that filter and you need to have a framework of skepticism that you apply to every piece of media you see from anywhere that is going to force you to ask these

kinds of questions. Because everything you see on screen is is a lie of one form or another. Even even this even this is you're not getting you're only seeing the picture. You don't see what's on the other side of the camera or if there's anything at all on the other side of the camera. I could this could be a green screen. I could be in my real office. I mean I can spin the camera around. I'll show you the office. But yeah, uh we need to be conscious consumers of media and don't go and take a government class about that because they're just going to tell you to, you know, oh well, consult trusted authorities and they'll tell you what you can and cannot believe. And the whole you need

to get that out of your head that there's that authority even is a thing. Like authority should be like a verbotent word for you. Any free person just despises that word because it doesn't exist. We all know it doesn't exist. There's respect, but you've got to earn respect. Authority is just something people claim to have that and then we're supposed to to simulate respect because I have I wave around this word called authority and uh that's again that's part of this that's part of the SC up that's part of the you know 12 13 years in school asking a teacher yes ma'am no ma'am you know three bags full

may I please go to the bathroom can I speak yet uh that that you've had that conditioned into you. But this is not a natural mode of human existence and it's never been. It's never been. We have had tribal chiefs and people with responsibilities and are respected for how well they execute those responsibilities. But there has never been an authority anything other than God. >> Yep. That is a very important point and uh I talk about that on this this show often and we need to remember that in general. I mean we need to reclaim our free will and you know we need to get

back to natural law and and stop believing in this fake authority and then stop believing that other people are going to come in and solve our problems. They're not coming in with the intention of solving our problems. They're coming in with the intention of frankly at this point further enslaving us through technocracy. And I I just, you know, this has happened with Trump over and over again. I mean, I was telling people before the election said, you know, look, it'd be great if you're supporting him for, you know, because he might free Ross, that's one thing, but do not expect for any minute that he's going to come in and fix any problem um at all. And no politician

is going to do that for us. And we're we're actually running out of time on uh on that because the technocracy is closing in really fast. And these kinds of techniques and and the the importance of this is, you know, I've actually been talking to some people that got all caught up. So for the last um I I ran for president in 2024 specifically to raise awareness around the CBDC issue. And my campaign slogan was I had this shirt that had a big heart on it and it said bankr run now. Stop World War II. Halt CBDC's and the Fed. Then the whole campaign was don't vote for me, exit, you know, exit the fiat and and start building parallel systems. I use that as kind of the tagline. But my

whole purpose of this was to try to educate people in on the Republican side in the primary about the threat of CBDC's. And boy did that backfire. I you know I wrote this book and Bevc Ramaswami read it and he and I had three conversations about it and then he came out in my home state of New Hampshire and told Trump to come out against CBDC's and Trump came out against CBDC's and people actually think that we've halted CBDC's not realizing that we now have something worse through the through the Genius Act and so um that's been a a source of of frustration but >> uh we are we are very much at the late stage here. So all right so back back but back to your story. So then all

right so your your business has been destroyed you've essentially been run out of of the country uh you have gone through uh all of this stuff with kind of cease with the the the equivalent of the SEC so so then so then what's the process from there >> well we begin suing the government and then almost immediately I have that uh that NASA computer invade my home network uh have all kinds of other surveillance installed called uh that is done via the cooperation of ISPs. Uh because the way this works is just the intelligence agency will just go to the court, get a secret warrant, serve it on the ISP, and then boom, I just there's

back doors in all the routers and they can just see your home network like they were plugged right into it. And uh so I knew that they were going to be using all of that kind of stuff. And it's very hard for me to detect them using that. So, one of my strategies was, well, expect them. They're going to hack you. They're going to invade all of your devices. And you're not like a platinum level cyber security expert. You're you're an accountant. So, you know, your skills lay elsewhere. And I don't necessarily have the tools to fight them at that game. However, I don't have to beat them at their game because I can make them play my game and

I'm very good at that game. And so, one of the things I did was leave the country. And there were multiple reasons for doing so. I mean, uh, Justin Trudeau had just announced, uh, that there would be no more flights out of the country to the Caribbean and Mexico. So that was my my tip off that a complete closure of all travel out of the country was coming and this is in 2021. So we're we're deep into COVID at this point. But uh as soon as he made that announcement, I just chartered a private plane because they were still flying to Mexico and off we went. But I wanted to do this. The reason why I wanted to do this is because now their warrants don't work and they have to hack me via

conventional hacking means which are much easier to detect. And uh and boy did they ever try and boy did I ever detect all kinds of attempts. One thing I learned though is they are using malware that can evade Crowdstrike sensors, believe it or not. And I've already called CrowdStrike and asked for their help in this. I don't expect it will happen though because all of these cyber security companies are run by cowards. Uh they refuse to help private citizens on cyber security issues when the per

has a chance of being the government. They won't do it. They won't help you. It doesn't matter how much you're paying them, they won't help you. Uh I had a good friend of mine, somebody I had worked with on across multiple companies. He was one of the top cyber security people in Canada. His name is George Plightus and he was a good friend of mine. I was talking to him about cyber security and and what I should do to detect things. He was the He recommended I build a honeypot. Great. Fantastic. He also referred me to a friend of his that was running a cyber security firm in Canada called Kodi Solutions who as soon

as they as soon as I told them, I'm pretty sure it's the government hacking me, they were like, "Nope, we're not we're not helping you. Bye." Uh, but the the day I detected that NASA computer hacking into my honeypot, I told George, I'm like, "Hey, George, I just detected a NASA computer on my honeypot." And then he asked me, "Well, how do you know it's a NASA computer?" And I sent him the reverse IP trace report that I ran that says the NASA high performance computation center on it is where this computer is from. I have never heard from him since and that was six years ago. He ghosted me. Somebody I'd known for years. Uh

so yeah, I I I mean cyber security is a joke. It's an absolute joke. Uh they they'll sell you products, but if if the government decides to attack you, you're on your own. and and uh I I h I even hired a coder from way outside of the country on the other side of the world uh to help me build a couple of things. And sure enough uh immediately uh my hacker, my government hacker starts trying to spoof emails from me to him. Uh now unfortunately we don't have the

contents of those emails because uh I had what's called a demark policy on my domain which a demark is like all email verification validation. It's anti-PAM anti- spoofing stuff but my my demar policy at that point in time was set to the maximum which is just reject the message that fails verification. So unfortunately this guy his email server did not keep those messages. So we can't see what what my hacker was actually trying to say only that we have we have a report that somebody tried to fake my email address to talk to my developer. So it seems like every time I try to engage an IT

resource, my the five eyes immediately have a go at this person and either try to intimidate them out of my life or flip them into another adversary for me. But it it's been pretty funny because their their their MMO is always the same. And now it's been it's become incredibly easy for me at this point now to bait them. And I don't even do it anymore because at this point I've done it like eight or nine times. And really, how many smoking guns do I need to get a conviction? Uh I I think I'm just probably wasting my time at this point given the amount of evidence that I've gathered. >> So let's let's talk about the lawsuit

itself. So what what is what is in the lawsuit? And um I and I you know I've told everybody you can go to equitabitlawsuit.com but but maybe what what's kind of the the highle overview and what is the status of the lawsuit? >> There's actually two lawsuits because there were there were there were two attempts against the company. one via the OSC that failed and then the other via sabotage which succeeded in destroying the company but not me personally which it was really I feel targeted towards it was to discredit me permanently. Um the first lawsuit is about what we've already talked about. It's against the Canadian Security and Intelligence

Service. Uh the informant within the company that uh sabotaged our code and a couple of John Doe's who at this point we have positively identified those John Doe's were supposed to be the actual CEUS officers. We know who they are now, but I don't know if I want to name them in the suit and pull them into court anymore. I don't want to give them another circus to perform in front of. But uh there are so many other accompllices to that lawsuit at this point, including banks, email marketing platforms, uh cyber security firms. So much deeper pockets. And I've got two blank spots in that lawsuit that I can I can name them

in if I want to. So, uh I I I have that there. And uh so that's the one lawsuit. Now that lawsuit uh we've been through discoveries, we've interrogated uh other CEUS officers in discovery and they really just shit the bed on that because the government's defense was we don't know anything about this company or its people. And in discovery we were interrogating a CEUS officer and we asked him well do you know about do you know anything about this person? Do you know anything about that person? do you know anything about that person? And he's saying, well, yes, we do know about these people. And okay, so do you not know anything about the company or do you know anything about

the company? And so they're really not doing a good job defending themselves. They really thought that they would be able to just kill me or figure out a way to force me to withdraw these lawsuits through some other entrapment scheme or or some extrajudicial means. But at this point now, I have their head over a barrel and we're awaiting a trial date at this point. We just had our mediation session, which is sort of like the final last ditch effort or or opportunity to reach a settlement before going to trial. But I mean, the attorney general didn't even want to look me in the eye during that meeting because I mean, I've so thoroughly demoralized their entire

team, I think, at this point that that they're like like they probably want to settle, but their boss is just telling them no. And uh it's unfortunate because of course they're they're throwing these young freshly, you know, fresh-faced lawyers at me and I'm absolutely tearing them to bits because I can credibly accuse them of working with child traffickers and and they can't really say anything about this. One of them when I did that is like, "Oh, what's your source for that?" And I'm like, "The CBC." He thought I he was kind of thinking he's get me in some sort of gotcha moment where I'm like citing Alex Jones

as if I would ever do as if I would ever cite a an intel agent back at them. But uh this second lawsuit is against a different group of people for uh a conspiracy basically to defraud the company, take the tech, uh defraud the original founders and liel me out of a career. Uh but those people are all tied up in legal knots now. Uh, one of them is about to be convicted because he has we've found he he was the ring leader of that whole effort to just

flood our discord channel, flood Twitter with uh negative messaging about Equitabit and myself personally uh to ensure that the company did could not find founders or could not find additional investors and and then collapsed. So the the ring leader of that went into hiding. We couldn't find this guy for like two years and we and not for lack of trying. We hired professional investigators in Canada and the United States to go looking for this guy and they could not find him. And they all told us like I've never encountered I've never had these kinds of problems finding someone before unless they're being protected by the government.

And we've heard that very same thing from not one but two investigators who were looking for this guy. We eventually do find him and but he has yet to file a defense probably because we have him on tape and and the contents of that tape prove that he knows he was lying. So now, not only do I have a civil case against him, but this this will go to the criminal courts when I'm done with them. Um but uh interestingly enough this is where uh my larger strategy came into play because uh

when it came out that there was a spy at least one spy in our organization I did suspect one of the one of my partners the one of the co-founders of the project the guy who encouraged me to start it to begin with the best man at my wedding. I did suspect him uh almost like practically immediately because of the the the the the surprise and the fear on this coder's face as he's telling me this story. I it was it was a look of recognition. He knew who the CEUS officer was personally. And so I suspected it was my friend. And

uh when I was getting ready to file this second lawsuit, my friend asks me to join as a co-plaintiff. And so I immediately realized that if I allow him to do this and I carry that lawsuit far enough, he will eventually have to betray me. And so all I have to do is keep pushing this suit forward and and wait. And sure enough, last August, he did. He betrayed the company and he gathered up the the other people uh in that lawsuit and attempted a hostile takeover of Equibbit Group and tried to

force me out for the only reason of shutting down the lawsuit. No other reason. And fortunately I there were protections. investors cannot betray the company like that and keep their shares. And so he lost his shares and and a couple other people lost their shares. And so now I mean the the the company is effectively owned by me and our initial angel investor and that's it. Now it's just the two of us uh moving ahead with this case. And uh but yeah, I I beat a spy at their own game. you walked right into my trap and you you I had you playing the fiddle for me

and it it it's all in the emails going back and forth. It's pretty pathetic. Uh the way he tries to gaslight me after the fact, after he's been caught and he basically just outed himself, but he but he's just ignoring absolutely everything I'm telling him, which is completely legally sound. And he's saying, "No, no, no. I'm in charge now." And okay, bye bye, Arla. But this is just part of the government strategy. They cannot meet me in court because once I get into court and enter all this stuff against them, like it's going to be a it's going to be a a courtroom spectacle and the government is not going to look

good. Uh this is going to shatter most people's realities. >> So So as I understand it, so you have it's $140 million in combined damages. Is that right? across the two lawsuits, >> 120 million against CEUS and 20 million against the uh the other conspiracy. >> I mean, so it's usual for I I mean, maybe this a Canadian thing, but for a lawsuit to even go forward. I mean, that's it. I'm trying to imagine somebody suing the CIA in the US. >> Well, I think it would play out the same way it plays out here. The CIA will not engage you in court. they will harass and intimidate you and force you into dropping the lawsuit.

>> So, >> but it's not like the the the CIA or CESUS is technically a civilian operation. They inform the military and yes, you cannot sue the military. Uh but you can sue the CIA because they are part of the civilian apparatus. So if you win then this sets a a whole new precedent, right? So I mean let's talk about what happens if if you win this case and what this could mean for the crypto industry and for five eyes. >> Well, if I win this case, I have now proven in court that the Five Eyes is

actively engaged in malevolent operations against the cryptocurrency industry. They're they are steering and controlling innovation within Canada, within the United States, and globally. There are god knows how many other inventions and companies that have been smashed this exact same way just so they can steal and use their inventions in, you know, private black mark black ops uh or or or keep it all to themselves in the military. or then, you know, when they're finally done with it, then they'll wrap a private entity around it and and say, "Oh, you know, look at this new Silicon Valley startup and what a

great thing they've built." And it's called, uh, Lifelog. Whoops. I mean, Facebook. >> Yeah. So, >> so, >> but at at right now that is just a rumor. But if I win, this is now established case law that lawyers will have to learn about and have to come to an understanding that yes, this goes on in the world and you have to be ready to defend people against governments that are doing it. Um, so what has been the response that you've gotten from the press? What's happened as you as you've tried to tell this story?

>> Absolute radio silence. Nobody in nobody in the mainstream media has responded to me. And it's not for a lack of trying or a lack of connections because when I was running the company, I was in the mainstream media all the time. I've had appearances on CBC and Bloomberg and Business News Network and uh a lot a lot of stations had me on uh to talk about that because of course this is the height of the ICO craze and I'm providing a a a pretty solid perspective to counterbalance what they're hearing coming out of the regulators which is just it very it sounds like like uh like religious procilitizing. made the it's always the

same thing. They're all securities and we're going to shut them all down. It's all securities. We're going to shut them all down. Investor safety ra. And no, they weren't giving any kind of nuanced opinion. And uh so they would have me on to counterbalance that. But they don't have me on anymore. And uh you know like we had built a list of thousands of journalists in Equibit and I had I had emailed all of them via uh a email marketing platform called SendX or Send Grid. Send X send Grid. It's the same company. Um, and I prepare my email campaign, send it out, and I get the campaign data coming in, and I get and I see the opens and the clicks, and so the and the

engagement rate on the campaign is sky high. So, I'm expecting my phone to be ringing off the hook at this point, but nobody reaches out. I try this again, second campaign, same thing. massive engagement on the email marketing platform dashboard, but zero realworld response. So, I'm pretty disheartened at this point, feeling pretty alone, and I just give up on on reaching out for a long time, actually. And just in the last maybe about six months or so, I've been trying to bring this back out to the public's attention because we're getting so close to a conclusion now.

and so much more heinous stuff has happened. But um I went back into the dashboard and on the main dashboard page all the email campaign data had been wiped out. It was all zeros across the board. So I start talking to Sendex support. Hey, where's my data guys? What's going on? Uh oh, that's weird. Oh, I have no idea why that happened. We'll get back. We'll get on it trying to recover that data for you right away. And then next day, the message comes out, oh, your data has been deleted. Here's our terms and conditions. We're allowed to do this. Stop bothering us. And I'm like, well, hold on a second,

folks, because I need that data back. This is part of a active court case against the Canadian government, first of all. And you know, you I'm glad you brought up your terms and conditions because you never notified me that my data was scheduled for deletion, which you're supposed to do. And but at that point, they shut right up. Sendex will not talk to me anymore. Now I did explore through the the platform a little bit and I found my marketing data cached in widgets in other other areas of of this uh this marketing plat the Sendex marketing platform. So they deleted it uh but they did a terrible job deleting

it. So this was clearly not an official deletion. Otherwise I would have been notified at least 30 days in advance that my account is scheduled for deletion. But either somebody in Sendex who is an informant was told to, "Hey, go in and and scrub that data and they didn't do a very good job at it." Or maybe they were hacked and had it deleted. I don't know. Sendex is not talking to me. Uh but like I said, I've got two John Doe's in my lawsuit against CEUS, so they might have just volunteered. So, I'm I'm just I'm I'm thinking as you as you're talking about this because this Well, I suspect that my email never actually left their servers and I was

just fed a bunch of bogus campaign data that then they went in after the fact to try and delete out because it's a cover up. But, you know, incidentally, a federal court judge in Canada just ruled uh against the Canada Revenue Agency because somebody was suing the Canadian re it was a charity, a Jewish charity, for better or for worse, I suppose, uh lost their charitable status and they're suing the Canadian revenue agency, the Canadian IRS over the loss of their status. And the court had ordered the CRA to produce some documents which the CRA ought to have had, but then the CRA later said, "Oh, well, we don't have that anymore. It's gone." And so the

judge was furious at them and they said uh and he said uh that uh anybody involved in any part of a cover up from the guy who orders it from the person putting the paper in the shredders will face civil and criminal liability. >> Who said >> thank you. This is a federal court justice in Canada. So thank you for that. you've just given me a wonderful tool for me to beat CEUS over the head with because yeah, they're engaging in a cover up and they're and they're they're employing private companies to help them and I can prove it. So, so here's the challenge with this. So, there's a there are a lot of moving pieces. There's a lot of complexity to

this and this is this is similar to other stories and I'm and I'm as as we're just going through this. I mean, I do see a there's a big narrative here that if we actually take a couple of different cases and and put them together, I think we can start to see a a pattern emerge. And uh and this pattern um you know we haven't talked much about my background but I I got involved in this three and a half years or so ago when I uh started to see people like Ian Freeman and friends and others that I knew were being targeted by the federal government and I wanted to know why. And that's when I you know saw Joe Biden had just signed this executive order authorizing uh CBDC's and a whole of

government crackdown on crypto. and I've just kept following this and then that turns into that being part of technocracy. But but basically what and then you know I've gone down all of the different rabbit holes of exactly how long the US has been working on a CBDC who's been involved and this actually ends up tying into Jeffrey Epstein and they've taken some Bitcoin developers and had them work on you know through MIT Media Lab you know CBDC's as well as tokenization platforms. Mike Hearn is involved with something called regulated liability network. So I just keep on following where it's it's going and and your story fits in with several other stories which are

basically the idea of the government on a coordinated basis using its power and leverage to suppress people who are promoting the use of cryptocurrency as a peer-to-peer alternative to central bank currency. and an even bigger force people don't know about it because uh it doesn't get as much coverage but an absolute shutdown on the tokenization of equities and as I try to explain to people you know money represents 5% of global assets it's you know everything else that you know mainly securities but obviously land and everything else that's actually a much bigger uh part of the economy but people don't think about it or talk about it that has been actively suppressed. This seems to have

been coordinated. Um, you know, maybe have maybe it'd be good to get you connected to Steven Nurio off. I mean, I think there's a note comparing here because he was dealing with the FBI, the SEC at the in the exact same time frame. This all of this began at about the same time. So, I'm this is I'm just throwing this off now, but it's because I'm trying to figure out how to how to to tell this story because now this is going on right now. Your lawsuits are a significant threat to uh the Genius Act and the Clarity Act and what they're trying to do with the centralized tokenization of assets. Like, this is really bad timing for

them. Mhm. >> Um, which puts you at at at risk. And I've had other people on. I had a guy named Joe Roach who uh started Dragon Chain and he had a protracted lawsuit with the SEC. And what you know, again, this is Canada, so I I I have a a lot more experience talking to people and going to court and reading legal documents in the US. Although I suspect, you know, we're going to find out because five there there's overlap and coordination. when it comes down to the legal process just so that people understand and next week I'm going to have the lawyers on for Roman Sterling off everything that you've said here is is true about not only them trying to uh you know falsify

your email traffic suppress the content going out but even in the case of Roman Sterling for instance people have heard of chain analysis which is used to track transactions and if I get this wrong I apologize I I believe It's in my opinion it's cipher trace I we'll I'll find out when I have the lawyers come on but they tried to bring in uh one of the other companies not chain analysis and in the end they had kind of mapped out and definitively pro proven that in this Roman Sterlingoff case it couldn't have been Roman Sterlingoff but then all of a sudden mysteriously the cipher trace or whichever company it was uh person that they'd hired and paid a lot of money disappeared

and so they lost their expert witness right as they're going up and trying to explain away the chain analysis part of the story. So you So I'm saying all of this I don't even know why I'm saying this other than to say I'm trying to map out as you go through this court process. What I've seen in the Joe Rhodess case is that they will have you go through massive amounts of discovery and spend a lot of money and then they'll lose the discovery so that you have to then go and produce it again at your expense. there's a tactical component to the legal process that you're going up against which you already know but you're you know you you've obviously got a and what I'm just thinking out loud is

you know how can we continue to get the narrative of this story out in the public as easily as we can and then maybe connect it to other cases and tell a broader story >> so that we can keep up the pressure. It is incredibly important for the public to understand your story because if the p if this information does not get out to the public, they will continue to use the kinds of tactics that they've been using technically and through sabotage and through all of these other >> if you don't stop them now. They're just going to do it again and again and again and again. >> They're going to do it again. And in my opinion, this this is tied up with everything that the the Clarity Act is

for and everything else. The technocratic agenda is you will own nothing. The the mechanism for you owning nothing is through the tokenization of money and all other assets in a way that governments and third parties have control over that they can program, they can track and they can censor. That is that is the heart of the of the plan for for technocracy and everybody Chris included in a major way probably actually this is you know probably the most important conversation that I've had and this is the most important story relative to what's going on with the Clarity Act. Now I will tell you I've had a almost impossible time you know talking about the Genius Act

you can maybe get a little bit of traction almost no one knows about the Clarity Act. I mean I travel around all over the place give talks I will even go to crypto conferences I mean even at anarchopco right I mean we were both there but I'm giving a talk most people that came up to me were not familiar with the clarity act >> or their understanding of it was something completely different that what and so I've dug into this I've dug into okay well why is it that >> you know I'm I'm going through social media and I see these posts and every's like we've got to pass the clarity act now and it's like these crypto publications And there are all these likes and all these re-shares and all

these comments. And I'm like, okay, is there really organic support for what I think is the the biggest surveillance bill? >> And it turns out it's all fake. It turns out the crypto publications are owned by companies that benefit from it. >> Then you dig into it and you find out there are 220 former regulators that are now working on with consulting firms and lobbying firms to push the legislation over. And you have the banking lobby and the crypto lobby both, you know, they're not really at odds with one another. They're just trying to figure out how to carve up the surveillance system they're put in place. There's not a single person that is at the table that is there

trying to defend anybody's individual rights or privacy or anything. There's like literally nobody's being paid to do this. There are people being paid $2,000 an hour >> to uh to suppress uh well to put this stuff in place and then it turns out the traffic is fake. They're bots. There's no real >> engagement. I I actually I put a the day2026.com I've got a section on the bills where I break down for clarity and genius that I name the specific lobbyists and media and trade associations and everything involved in this. This is so this is all part of the same thing. I've been trying to warn people about clarity and and you had a solution that had it not been suppressed the clarity act

wouldn't would be would be moot because people would be and you trading securities on a self-custody basis in a transparent way >> that would already be taking place that's been killed that's been suppressed. you're still going through what you're still trying to go through and then I'm trying to, you know, warn people about what the Clarity Act means. But I mean, I'm just one guy. There's no money in there's no money in telling the truth. And there's no outlet for telling the truth because Bloomberg has no incentive. All of the advertisers through the media uh benefit from this as well. I mean, there's no they don't make any money because nobody's buying ads

>> for um you know, peer-to-peer solutions. Nobody's buying ads uh to discuss surveillance. And so, this is a um this remains a problem. I I've said that that if the Clarity Act passes, that that's kind of the final nail in the coffin. So, as I'm saying this out loud, what I'm just I'm trying to think about maybe we can connect some of these other cases and start telling a telling a broader story about what's going on here and then can but then continuing to provide updates and to try to, you know, piece together chunks, visuals, whatever it happens to be in short segments >> to keep people in the loop and to make it understandable and maybe tell an overall narrative but bring a number of

of these cases in because I just worry that, you know, we I again I I'm urging people if you're listening to this please uh please like this please share this um and uh and continue to do this but we we need to we need to continue uh throughout your journey on the legal process >> to to uh to to blast this out and I will say um I don't know if you can travel or if it's even advisable to travel but we're doing this enemies of the state event in Washington DC. It's not part of the Libertarian National Convention, but we're we're doing it at the same venue uh since there's going to be a big nexus of of people there. But the important part about this is I've already lined up

people to co-live stream with me. So, we've got so far at least a million uh uh viewers and I'm I'm shooting to get three million viewers. So the real the real benefit is to get however many it is it may be 11 or 12 uh quote enemies of the state but crypto prisoners so on and so forth and have somebody in most cases speaking on their behalf if they're in prison or in your case if you can either speak in person or or pre-record something. I want to use this live stream and really push the live stream as a way for us to try to get the combined story out to millions of people about what's going on with this with this law with the lawfare and then in your case actual your yours is the only

actual lawsuit against the state which is what makes it unique and powerful. >> Yeah. Yeah. And and I'm really holding their feet over the fire because they have I I I basically have the government of Canada now in a position where they either have to kill me, pay me or destroy their own country because their strategy has again been don't engage with don't engage this person in court. do everything you can extrajudicially to force him to withdraw the lawsuit. So, in the meantime, they have completely destroyed the rules of civil procedure in Ontario because when you're served

with a a civil lawsuit in in Ontario, you have 20 days to file a defense. Third, you get 30 days if you file something called a notice of intent to defend, which is you just indicate to the court, yes, I will defend, but I just need a little more time. Uh, when it comes to when it came to the government, the government did not do that. They did they filed a notice of intent to defend, but they took over 10 months before they finally showed up with a one pace on one-page defense. I know nothing, saw nothing, blah blah blah. Which of course now we know that that was you. You just perjured yourself because the cease officer in discovery says that was not true. So

there's that, but then there's also the case of the informant, the developer that we named in the s in the suit. His name is Sergey by the way. And uh so we we we we serve Sergey. He doesn't file a defense or or a notice or anything. He just completely ignores it and he goes into default. We continue serving him with multiple times with hundreds of pages of documents and uh he still ignores everything. So we get a default conviction of $1.7 million against this guy. And then we do an asset search. We find a bank account and that's it. That's all the guy has. No house, no car, nothing. Just a bank

account with almost half a million dollars of cash sitting around in it. So either you are the world's worst investor or financial planner or that's not your money, Sergey, because as soon as we seized it, he immediately lawyers up, leaps into action, and then moves to overturn his conviction. But to overturn a default conviction, you have to convince the court that the reason why you didn't show up, you had really, really, really good reason to not do that. And so his first reason was, "Oh, I thought this was fake. I thought it was all fake." I like, "Okay, well, did you call the lawyers whose names and phone numbers and emails were all over the documents you were

being served? Did you check out their law firm? Did you make any attempt to see if they were actual lawyers? No, I didn't do that. Did you lawyer Did you call your own lawyer? Nope. Didn't do that either. And did you did you call the court to see if this is actually a lawsuit uh that has been opened up against you? No, I didn't do that either. Well, what did you do? Oh, I just I I Googled. Okay. And uh so the judge is like, well, you know, okay, what what else you got? What else you got? And then the other thing he came up with is, oh well, you know, the Russia Ukraine war broke out. And so I was really distracted by that because I have family back in Russia.

And so this all falls apart because when he was when his defense was due, the the Russia Ukraine war had not even begun and it would not begin for months and months and months and months after he was obliged to file his defense. So sorry Sergey, but both of these excuses are not credible. However, the the the judge and it went to a different judge than the judge that originally convicted him. But this judge then all of a sudden says, "Oh, perfectly reasonable. Oh, yeah. Oh, this is this is Yeah. Oh, what a terrible thing that happened to you. You know, this evil crypto company might be, you know, trying to defraud you,

poor Russian guy. And so we're just going to overturn the last two years of work that they put in and make them start all over again from the beginning. So So at this point now, anybody served with a civil lawsuit because this guy is not special by all accounts. He's just he's just another guy. So any other guy can now ignore civil lawsuits in Canada, folks. That's called precedent. You can just use exactly the same excuses as this guy. Well, well, I thought it was fake. Sorry guys. Whoops. My bad. Okay, I promise to participate now and that has never been an allowable excuse in the history of the entire country. But apparently now in this particular moment, it is. So yeah, if this is the

strategy, if you're going to destroy the foundations of the country, I I accept. That's fine. You know, I I I I said I'll take money or blood, and it looks like we're going to have blood. So, let's uh let's let's uh watch a nation get carved up. But uh yeah, I I did send an offer letter to the attorney general of Canada right after we interrogated the CESUS officer and he just detonated their entire defense. I sent an offer to settle and I said, "Okay, if you want to end this before we get to trial, you're going to pay me exactly what I claimed in the lawsuit. And if you want me to sign an NDA, it'll be double.

Yep. Um well, this is um so this is interest. So that so the next step so what is the next actual uh milestone? Well, we are going to get a production order from the court, which is probably just going to force CEUS to give us an empty file bin. But of course, uh we'll be reminding the court and CEUS of that federal judge's ruling that has just gone out saying that anybody in the government involved at any level of a cover up is probably gonna go to jail. And so we

have a list of people already compiled, people who work at at the government at various capacities who have assisted CEUS. Uh one of them being the office of the information commissioner because we had served CEUS with a bunch of access to information requests which is kind of like a freedom of information act. It's Canada's version of the same thing, but they were uh they were just playing games with us uh as we were trying to get information out. And at this point now, we have undeniable proof that they unreasonably denied our requests and that they did not give us documents that they did in fact have in their possession. Uh this we already have proof of.

So, uh, yeah, I I I I that ruling could not have come at a better time because, yeah, the the they they have been engaged in a cover up. I can prove they've engaged in a cover up because, of course, I'm an auditor and I know a cover up when I see one. You know, a a trail of deletions is as good as the trail of evidence. >> Yep. because all you have to do is follow the trail of deletions and it always leads you to one person and that's who you throw in jail. >> Yep. Um so, so this is so I I think you know what I want to try to do is figure out how to uh take the timelines here and you know try to try to put it into into

some some visuals um that that are a bit more digestible. And then and then again, I want to go look at some of these other cases and and put all of these cases on a time timeline because I think that uh again the the home run here is the fact that uh I I think that if you if you do win this, you may be able to get through discovery access to this five eyes information. And if you get access to that five eyes information, I think that is going to actually link a variety of these other cases together. we're going to be able to show this overall picture. At some point, we're going to be able to tell the story of what actually been going on the last several

>> Well, the other the other partner, my other partner and and suspected CEUS officer is an employee at Google. He's he's one of their highle software engineers at Google. So like these people these people like are embedded in tech, they are embedded in finance because they are then then positioned to implant malware or surveil the customers of these companies. >> Yep. Um yeah, these are also also tactics. I mean, I will say on my end, I've recently been approached by a couple of different recruiters that are clearly trying to recruit me for jobs that I would never take, but it's very

clear from my perspective is that they're trying to recruit me so that I don't continue to do what I'm doing, >> right? So, I I think people need to understand the variety of tactics here. And and I think being able to because we've done this tonight, I think we've just just talking about it. We've we put together some connections, I think, to be able to start telling telling the story about the operating procedure of what they do in all of these different cases, including, by the way, the tactics with your lawsuit. I I I think one of the things is if we can put together the visual and the timeline and then keep people up to date so that there's a background of this is the

background of the case but then as you're going through the individual steps be because if we can do that and then elevate this and get more people to share information about this and get it out there it can hold them accountable for their tactics. It it to me one of the most shameful things and this started for me in 2023 at Ian Freeman's sentencing hearing. It it's just seeing the degree to which you know if if people have never experienced any of this. They don't have any framework. They still believe in that there's a justice system and that it's blind and that it's fair and they have some sense that the government is actually seeking the truth and the government is not.

We're going to have the lawyer the lawyers on next week and I you know I know one of the guys Mike on the throwing off case said this was his first case out of law school and he said it completely changed his entire perspective of the law. I mean, we're finding out things like that there are judges that own percentage ownership interests in private prisons that they're sending, you know, people that are convicted in their courtroom to like the whole thing is not >> I mean, there there was a judge convicted of laundering children into the arms of uh child placement agencies. He would literally rule against the parents just so that they could seize the child and send them into these

adoption agencies. and he was getting kickbacks from them. >> Yep. Yeah. This happens Pennsylvania. I know that was a big thing here in Pennsylvania. Uh that was there was a a big documentary on this and apparently this is more common practice. And so I think that so part of this is as you're going through your process if we can magnify whatever you're going through. I mean, I I hope that you win, but I hope that we can help amplify what they're doing tactically because I think to me more important, well, the case itself is important, but it's it's also critically important that people un begin to understand how these systems actually work as opposed to how they've been

propagandized to believe that they work. Because from my perspective, that's the biggest hurdle we have to overcome because the the the stuff that you've talked about seems so unlikely based on people's the propaganda and lack of direct experience, but it's not. And so we have to figure out how to let people know what's actually going on as it's going on. Um, and I'm hoping that, you know, this will be a start tonight, but I I think there's more work to do to kind of to to cobble some of this together. I think enemies of the state can be a platform that will hopefully elevate this to more I mean hopefully hundreds of thousands of people based on the way that we're getting the live

stream set up and then I would love to connect you with some other people that have had similar experiences in the US and see if there's anything that comes out of those conversations by way of comparing notes that might >> I'm interested I'm interested the last time I went to the United States was for the inaugural uh cosmic summit met uh which is that more to do with the book we were talking about earlier, but that was in 2023 and it was in uh I think it was like Ashurn uh Virginia or something like that is where it was or uh North Carolina somewhere somewhere there around the Mid East. And uh I had my I I checked my

luggage bag and then I get off the plane and I go to the luggage area and my bag isn't on the turn style and I go go to the help desk and I'm like, "Where's my luggage?" And they look up, you know, I had the little bag ticket. I give it to them. They look it up. They're like, "Oh, it's been uh seized for search and uh we'll uh we should get it back tomorrow and we'll just ship it to your hotel." And I'm like, "What the hell kind of search are you subjecting my bag to that's going to take you an entire day?" >> Wow. >> And this Yeah. And this was not the only time I've been subjected to enhanced security procedures uh at airports. In uh February 2019 when

my wife and I were coming moving back to to Canada from Switzerland after the company had basically run out of money. Uh we were again we were in that area the with the turn styles going to get our bags. Our bags are there, but as we're getting them, somebody from airport security comes up to us and and asks for us by name. Are you Chris and are you Meera? And we're like, yes. We're like, okay, grab your bags and follow me into the screening area. And they searched our bags like thoroughly. And and I'm there just like, of course, I know what this is about. I've been flagged. ceases put out some sort of

advisory that I'm, you know, I've got a I've got a bag full of gold bricks or something. I don't know what these idiots are doing watching too much Wolf of Wall Street or something like that, but like, you know, they call us the conspiracy theorists, but your job is literally to spin conspiracy theories and not only do that, but then also act on them with the force of law and guns. So, which one of us is more dangerous, Mr. Conspiracy theorist? >> Well, exactly. Well, well, so I mean in this point obviously if the people listening to this I mean you know we had Roger Ver who was uh arrested in Spain and then thrown in the same prison as John McAfee. Um we have when I was at Montopia

uh the the previous Montopia I remember hanging out with with Ry who's here and and um uh you know some other folks that uh were also not allowed in Amir Taki is another one. Amir Taki was at Manitobas ago. he was on the agenda to speak. He's not he's not able to was not able to get into Mexico and then Ry was deported from Mexico. So this this stuff is 100% legitimate. I mean I you know part of it is I these are people that I know and and in fact at this point you know Mintopia at the end I kind of felt like it was uh some kind of surveillance thing. It just felt weird after what happened to Ry and then you know I'm kind of like all right here we are we're

in the middle of Mexico City but it's like how many feds are here right? Well, yeah. It's like that cryptocon that I was telling you about where my wife got drugged and and she wasn't the only one. Like, we personally knew two other people who were drugged uh during that conference and just the whole the whole vibe of that event was just it just seemed like it was just it was just a dog and pony show that it wasn't a real it wasn't a real conference. It was a It was a It was a It was like It seemed as though like maybe the whole thing was actually put on by the intelligence community. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that wouldn't that wouldn't surprise me. And it is getting

to the point, you know, I'm kind of like I'm usually at conferences talking about I mean, it started out talking about one person and then now it's like now I go to these conferences and it's eight people. And now we're doing Enemies of the State again with more people. And so it's um so this is real and it's building and and to me uh I just started trying to track this stuff down. I mean I you know I I got into crypto and Bitcoin in 2012. I stopped using a personal bank account in 2019 and I spent a lot of time thinking that you could change the political system and then I realized now that's not the case. So I'm like all right I'm done with politics and now I'm going to start

that's how I got into tokenization. I'm like, I'm going to stop using a bank account, but then I'm going to explore all of these ways of using tokenization to get rid of third parties in other areas outside of just money. And I'm like, oh, so this is great. And then all of a sudden, the other people that were the most effective at that strategy were being targeted by the government. So this is this is this is how I ended up here. So I just keep on following this. And so what appears it's it there's an overwhelming amount of evidence that there is a push for technocracy. We're at the late stages of it. And this is why we're talking to Chris here today because Chris was a critical uh person

providing a a solution, a way out of this. Um, and that's why he was targeted. That's why Steven Nero off was targeted. That's why Roger and all these guys were targeted. And again, that the pattern is is always the same. hired lawyers, got opinion letters, it it tried to engage in advance with the regulator to get an approval, which they didn't get. They wouldn't give you, well, no, just continue doing what you're doing, right? And then trap set. So, there's something >> there's something deliberate, clearly deliberate here. And it's and it is all in the realm of blocking peer-to-peer uh exchange whether it's of money or securities or anything else. That is the

threat. >> Yeah. >> So understand >> well is control of money and credit one of the central uh planks of the communist manifesto. >> Yep. >> It's in there somewhere. I think I I I think I read it. >> Um so so this is so this is happening. So, you know, so when Chris tries to uh tokenize securities, it's a national security threat, but now DTCC tries to do it. And you know, hey, you know what's >> and you get a no action letter. >> You get a no action letter. Let's do this. It's patriotism. Let's do this for America. We need to lead the way in this stuff, right? And so now we have the great taking which can be facilitated by the Clarity Act. This is this is what's

happening. This is why it's important to uh to get Chris's story out and and all of the other people that have been targeted. But not only that, it's we have to do whatever we can to help in these cases, but we also have to not let uh these actions have a chilling effect on voluntary exchange. That's been another point that I've been trying to make because they target the people that are the most effective, uh, hoping and and believing, which it often works, that that other people are going to look at this and say, "Oh, I'm going to I'm going to stop doing that." I mean, here in New Hampshire, we were leading the way with crypto adoption and more crypto ATMs and, you know, I was going to

restaurants and shops that were taking Bitcoin directly in 2012. That's dropped off, >> right? It's had a chilling effect and we can't we can't let that happen. And so um so now is the time to to elevate this. >> Yeah. Yeah. May for my for my part now that uh a lot of the the legal maneuvering and posturing is done. We're really looking at production orders and then a trial and that's that's all that's left ahead on this case. But then there's if we can't get the if we can't force them to settle out of court, then there's going to be they're going to just appeal it all the way up to the Supreme Court. So it'll be another 3 four years on top of the seven years

that I've already put into this. And that's just, you know, you're you're fighting people who print money and yeah, that that tactic just for them to just drag it out as long as possible, abuse the process of law, subvert the process of law. uh obstruction, cheating, you name it, they're going to engage in that for as long as they possibly can. Uh because that's the strategy. But uh you know, hey, at least in Canada, it's a loser pays legal system. So, not only do you have to pay the judgment, you got to pay all of my court, everything I I'm out of pocket suing you for. So, bring it on.

>> Bring it on. Thank you for doing this. It takes a lot of obviously courage and a lot of resources and commitment to to do this. I know this is not this is not easy. This has got to be a >> it's a real, >> you know, I I'm I'm working like hell. I'm still, you know, I I I still have all my financial credentials that nobody stripped me of that. And and I still know what I know and how to do I still have all my skills. I'm a great financial adviser and executive. So, I have clients and they pay me well and thank God for that. Otherwise, I would not be able to be carrying this lawsuit. But, uh I I I have uh opened up a GoFundMe page actually. You'll find it on that equitaw.com

website. So, if you are inclined and to, you know, maybe help me carry the load, uh it's there. >> Yeah. Let me uh I'm just going to pop this up again, but it's equitaw.com and um let me let me >> u ui bit t. >> Yep. Um oh, hold on one sec. So yeah, definitely check that out and I will start uh including that in my show introductions as well and I will put that up on uh on the website as well and encourage you to do that. And you know, I I I like to make I don't know if you heard at the beginning, I I I started

creating um AI songs uh first for Roger Ver like this is back in 20 I don't even remember the year now, 24. And then so so now I've I've really spent a lot of time on it and so I' I've created like 20 music videos and everything. I'll just But it's a very powerful way to communicate some of these messages. In fact, when we when I uh when we end the show, I'll play the the most recent one, which is one on on Ian Freeman. So, I will I will try to put one together for this case as well. Some because sometimes these things, you know, go viral and get 100,000 plus views and, you know, some people hate AI music and and others don't. But, you know, for the ones that do, it's a it's

actually a pretty effective way to to tell some of these uh tell some of these stories and get it across in a in a succinct way. So, I will uh I'll endeavor to figure out how to how to tell that tell that story as well. But yeah, here's the I've got the website up. Um, and I I do encourage everyone to to take a look at the site and again share this information. I'm going to continue to provide updates on this as it as it goes. I don't know. You know, it's it's this show my podcast tends to go long, but I I tend to open it up for Q&A. You certainly don't have to stay for that. and off and the Q&A goes off into uh all kinds of bizarre areas. I because I I I don't really I've never had to kick

anyone off. Um >> I I I'm happy to take some questions from the audience before signing off if you want to do that. >> Yeah, let me do that. And I'm trying to get uh if I can um Dan Dan O'Neal, who's the guy he's the brain trust, the he's the guy behind Enemies of the State, um came up with the idea in 2024 and and uh and is pushing it again this year. I'm trying to get him um uh to jump on now. And uh I'm going to I'll I'll bring Ray back. I think Ray I sent I sent a link with the I think he might have thought this was the link to the to the actual stream. So I don't even know if he intended to come on and do Q&A. So Ray, I see you're still there. I've got you

um you know back backstage. if you do want to come up, if you if your intention was to to to jump in and uh chat, happy to certainly happy to have you on board as well. I mean, what's happening to Rey is uh I mean, it's again, it's it's tragic. And the thing is >> shocking. >> It's shocking. And Trump said the war on crypto was over. So, it's it's it's one thing you might be able to do some mental gymnastics and convince yourself that he's just not aware of these other cases, which is >> I mean I mean for Mexican federal police to respond to the request of the United States with such enthusiasm is I've never seen anything like it. >> No, I I've I've never seen anything like

it either. was it was really jarring and actually at Mintopia I Ray was supposed to speak right before me and that the last one you know he kind of joined me on stage uh at the end end of my talk so I was looking forward to kind of you know collaborating we're also I believe on a panel together and then I when it turns out he switched to go earlier and then he wasn't even there I'm like where's Ry and uh just you know I'm stunned by the fact that this is going on in in 2026 it just doesn't make sense. Um, but uh, you know, let me see. I haven't really let me share the link here.

All right. All right. Ray, if you're there, I' I've I've popped you on the stage. If not, uh um understand I'll uh remove that. Let me uh scroll up here and see if we have any questions specifically. If you have any questions specifically for uh Chris, please let me know. Um a lot of these comments seem related to other things. Um Elon Musk some other other things here. If we stop minting coinage, they will bid up the price of all metals. No, let's see. Digital currency tokenization stable coins equals modern

day slavery. Um yep, that >> that checks out. Um all right. >> Stable coins. There will be the central there will be no central bank digital currency. I don't think there's going to be a tokenized Federal Reserve issued digital dollar. I think what's going to happen is the the Fed will license banks to issue digital dollars. It'll be kind of like the way the gold standard used to be where you would deposit actual gold coins into a bank and then you would get a bank note that from that private institution. So, like, you know, in Canada or even the United States, you can find these old banknotes that were issued by private

banks and they're very fancy pieces of paper. They look a lot like the dollar bills you see today or in yestery year, but uh it it's kind of a a fall back to that that old gold standard system. >> Well, yeah, except it's not gold. They're treasuries. >> Yeah. >> And and what what's happening? So, I'm I'm actually working on a book tentatively called The Creature from Epstein's Island. But what I'm talking about with this is that you have Tether, which was the largest stable coin, and you have Howard Lutnick coming in um before even engaging in politics. He was never a Republican. He actually was a big donor to to Hillary Clinton, invest $600 million in Tether in exchange for

the contract to manage all of the treasuries for Tether, which of course Tether wasn't required to be backed by treasuries. And there's a lot of dispute over whether Tether was actually backed by much of anything at all. Gets into uh the administration as the chair of the transition committee, actually tried to become the Treasury Secretary after having negotiated this deal. Uh didn't do that, ended up at Commerce, but then pushed the Genius Act. He is the single biggest beneficiary of the Genius Act. Uh every time you use Tether, he's making money off of the treasuries. But Trump will not allow uh Lutnik to outdo him. We now have USD1. And this is kind of an incredible story. Uh you have

Trump in the long list of crypto pardons. One of them is CZ from Binance. And so he pardons CZ and then CZ goes out and raises $2 billion for Trump's World Liberty Financial. And then he's the one who actually created USD1 which is the stable coin for world liberty for financial. He's the largest holder of it. And now there Pakistan has bought $5 billion of it and they're trying to use it for the technocratic reconstruction of Gaza. So I mean like we're actually witnessing a system. The difference is you know when the creature from Jackal Island happened it was kind of behind the scenes. It was a shadowy thing. They're doing this in front of us. They're they're holding press

conferences at Davos. Hey, here's the reconstruction project for Gaza, Oracle, Palunteer, blah blah blah. It's it's I you know I there's there's never been a time where it's that blatant where war profitering and and the agenda where where people actively in the administration are monetizing things while in office. It's it's just um it's insane to witness. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean that the you I I I always uh I always like to say, you know, NATO is the militant wing of big oil and and it's true. If you look at NATO's major backers, it's all big energy companies from the United States and

England. And yeah, so of of course they're going to want US military in the Middle East because that's where their that's where their projects are. And uh it's just a way of getting a taxpayer to pay their security bill. Yep. Well, now we have the Board of Peace uh that Trump is the chair of for life. And it has on the board since we defeated the globalist. It has on the board Tony Blair, the president of the World Bank, uh, the CEO of Apollo, which that organization is currently in a lawsuit related to things involving Epstein. So, you know, we we replace the globalist with the globalist, but but because it's got a different brand,

people are celebrating the victory. And it's it's something that, you know, somehow they're gonna they're gonna outdo the UN and outdo the WF and outdo the NATO. And >> let me let me tell you a little something about the Board of Peace. So I I don't know how this happened, but I found their X page before there was any public announcement of the existence of this thing called the Board of Peace. It just floated in I don't know how, but the algorithm just decided to suggest this channel to me. And I click over to it and I'm like, "The hell is the Board of Peace?" And I look at it. There's there's only three posts at this point on the X channel for the Board of Peace and over 170,000

followers. >> How is that possible? Like folks, X is X is a circus show. I mean, like these these these agencies will have Elon create backdated accounts followed by tens or hundreds of thousands of bots. It's all a scam, folks. Anytime you see a channel that has a huge following, like hundreds of thousands or millions of followers, like guaranteed 99% of that are just bots. And even, you know, it we they used to not backdate them. You would you would find a channel that had been that, you know, you go in, you look at it, it

says, "Oh, registered like two months ago and there's 300,000 followers on it already." And okay, that's obviously fake. But now they're backdating these channels and they're backdating them years and years and years in some cases. And I'm watch I'm just seeing this play out in real time on my computer screen. And like I don't I don't have social media accounts in my own name anymore. I only have uh a couple of anonymous accounts that I engage through uh onx basically just axe because that's sort of the deep state prize uh acquisition at this point. But it's just it's it's become so easy for me at this point

to just spot these fake channels because they always follow the exact same kinds of behavior patterns. And you if you see a viral post, take a sentence out of that post and then open up X's advanced search, plop that sentence into the field, search this exact phrase. And I guarantee you, more often than not, you will find hundreds of other channels posting that exact same message verbatim. >> Yep. >> None of this is real, folks. All these viral trends are all fake. They're all fake. They are. And in fact, there's a there's a service called Influencables, which was started by uh Trump's former

campaign manager from the last goround. And this is a service that, you know, it's against the terms of service of of X, but but what they do is uh they basically work with uh a bunch of influencers to coordinate sponsored posts that don't have the indication on them that they're sponsored posts. So, I know there was a big deal when I think RFK was talking about uh banning food stamps for the the use of food stamps with sugary drinks and then all of a sudden these you know these influencers who by the way are just recent influencers who are people that actually know nothing about like like it's unclear how or why they're influencers. They're not smart. They don't have

domain expertise. But all of a sudden, we've got some guy named Gunther Eagleman who nobody knows who he is, but he's got a million followers and he's one of the ones. And so, so yeah, you can see just as you, as you described, you can see here are 15 people saying the exact same thing at the exact same time. It is all fake. It it it is all coordinated. Most of it's paid. And this was the thing for me with the Clarity Act and the Genius Act, which was to realize because I'm like, wow, you know, is am I missing something here? Why are people rooting for this surveillance bill? And it turns out the reality is no one knows about it. It's not that people are against it or for it. Most people

have no idea it exists, but but the stuff that's out there is all fake support. And that's pretty much all of social media. >> Yeah. It's it's just like that MSAD operative that got interviewed by CNN. you know, we're we're a global production company and we we create the stage and we hire the actors and you know, so every big event every big every big event was, you got to understand it was planned years in advance. Everybody you're looking at is actors on both sides of the issue. And this is all a great big production that they've been doing. They've gotten very good at it over the last hundred years. But it's reaching the point now where I think the people they're tired of putting it on.

They just want the teeth to come out and they just want to run the world uh you know with violence on with their violence and control systems on full display. You know it the the it's the Frank Zappa quote. You know the music is over and the curtains are going up and we're going to see that there's a brick wall behind the stage and we're stuck. >> Yep. >> And that that like this is that moment. >> Yep. This is that moment and that's you know that's on display with this war. I mean it's amazing that you know with all this technology and everybody with phones we have less actual information about what's going on in the Middle East as well as with Ukraine or Russia. I

nobody has any idea somehow of anything. Um >> that's the that's the infowar strategy is just flood the airwaves with so much alternative and competing viewpoints that nobody knows what to think about anything. Yep. And you know, mission accomplished. >> I mean, I the situation with Iran is just that, you know, Iran on no wars in the Middle East and then bombed Iran last year and then said we we've dismantled their program and then all of a sudden out of the blue were we're going in and invading again where there's no threat. this doesn't even meet the threat of the fake colon pal thing in front of the UN with Iraq.

It doesn't even meet that standard and then everything gets shut down. So then all of a sudden I you know the fact that people were buying the ceasefire to me was amazing. Like I I I >> clearly the markets are manipulated like how how anybody would fall for this. It's like a daily cycle. Friday we're going to announce the bombings and then Monday morning we're going to announce peace even though nobody's negotiated anything with anybody. >> And here we are. and and so so people are now on the side like it's just it it's it's wag the dog too in in real time. Um >> yeah, >> so uh yeah. Well, >> well, just keep your eyes on Nancy Pelosy's portfolio and trade accordingly, I guess.

>> I'd rather I'd rather see Howard Lutin's portfolio. I think he puts uh I think he put Nancy Pelosi to to shame. Well, I'm not getting usually I get several I'm wondering now if I'm because I'm talking to you uh if if we're being suppressed here because I would usually expect to have somewhere between three and 4,000 people on right now. And usually we would have more people um in in the chat. And so, um, so I, you know, I I think I might be, uh, I might be catching catching your, uh, some of your suppression here because because normally we have more, uh, more vibrant um, >> more vibrant participation. I mean, we still have, you know, whatever 1,200, but I there's um, I would have expected

some more uh, Q&A and there definitely some people Dan O'Neal from Enemies of the State that I wanted to have on and some others. So, um, but you know, we we'll certainly we'll certainly follow up and and again, if you I probably doesn't make sense for you to travel here, but if if you want to do a a recording, would love to to get this message amplified at the at the Enemies of the State event in >> Yeah, certainly. Well, I will I will look into physically being there. I I I you know, I most of my days are spent right here in this room on the computer, so I'm looking for excuses to get out of the house. >> Oh, well, okay. That that would be great. I mean, actually would uh would

love to see would love to have you there in person. That would be absolutely outstanding. >> Yeah, we'll see if uh we'll see if I got any uh warrants out for my unlawful detention in the in the US. >> Yeah. Well, hope hopefully not. We uh but if there's going to be one event where, you know, it would be not in their best interest to to arrest you, this would be it because we're going to we're going to try to get this amplified. like I said with uh you know anywhere from you know 1 to three million people through through the people that have uh agreed to uh co-host the live stream. So I I'm actually hoping that plus the live event and everything else. This is actually going

to be probably the biggest platform uh so far for for all of these enemies of the state. So it'll be great to have you there and and help get this out. Well, Canada is uh in a real public relations disaster with the rest of the world at the moment. I mean, Mark Carney is doing exactly what I said he would do. And he's he's basically presiding over the bankruptcy of a nation. That's his job. He's just going to carve up the country and sell it off to the creditors piece by piece and then parachute out with, you know, whatever whatever he's going to get out of this. But uh yeah, the the the the whole discussion that I see kind

of carrying out with uh oh uh oh 51st state or Alberta separatism and you know so all these conversations that have been kind of fringe conversations for the last 20 years about Canada are really taking center stage and I know that is making a lot of people in the Canadian government really really really nervous and upset because of course they all know if the US wants to take Canada there is nothing anybody in that country is going to be able to do about it military or otherwise. So if we add my story and about what what the government of Canada has been doing to me like they're just going to be they're going to be North Korea after this. Like nobody's ever

going to want to have anything to do with Canada again. >> Yeah. I I I mean it's already Yeah. teetering on the edge. Yeah. Carney's there to bring the the maid program to the economy. >> Yeah. And I mean like this Canada, folks, Canada has a has had a love affair with eugenics for a long time. The national hero of of Canada is the is the same guy who rolled out the the the national health care system. His name is Tommy Douglas. And this guy's master's thesis, which you can download from it's it's still there on McMaster University, it's called Problems of the Subnormal Family, and it's a eugenics manifesto. It's his

pl it's a plan to genocide all of the undesirabs in the country. And that was his master's thesis. And this is the this is the country's national hero, folks. They idolize this man. And he wanted to introduce national health care because he saw that as the way of implementing his eugenics program which was to euthanize people who were mentally ill or or not doing not not contributing to the economy to the degree that you know he thought that they should and now what ex what are they trying to extend maid government youth in Asia to the mentally ill people who can't work very much or

people who are just feeling a little sad. And when you know, if you're if you're anything other than tip-top shape, ready to go down to work the next day singing everything is awesome, uh you're you're on a fast track to a lethal injection as far as Canada is concerned because yeah, you're not you're not being a good tax slave anymore. So, you know, your your your net present value is no longer positive. It's a negative and so we're gonna get rid of you because now you look like a liability to our uh government actuaries here. So, welcome to Eugenics 2.0 Canada. >> Yep. And the first the first chapter of

my book, The Final Countdown, which was which was about technocracy and, you know, trying to help on board people to crypto and exit the system. The first chapter is this uh fiction story, but I but I incorporate elements into the fiction story, things that existed at the time. So there's the a maid program component. There's, you know, some of the social credit systems from China. So it's like the first chapter is this this horrible dystopian thing, and then the second chapter is, hey, surprise, everything in the thing that you thought was fiction already exists in some point in the world in some place in the world right now. And I talk about the maid program. And when I go back and I read

what I was writing about the maid program in 2023 versus where it's gone now, it is an absolute tragedy what's happened. I mean, everything that you described, I mean, they it's gotten to the point now where it's like you can almost get this on demand without approval. I mean, there there's like they've removed the friction. They've removed the gatekeeping. But even at the time, um, and there are all kinds of YouTube videos on this. I mean, there was there was somebody there that was, you know, in their early 20s and couldn't find a girlfriend or the there's one that I talk about, the quadripollegic who, um, or parapillegic who was won the the paraplegic Olympics

or whatever, but she she wanted uh, and she got her injuries in the military and she requested a a wheelchair ramp, and the response back was, "No, sorry, we can't give you a wheelchair ramp. Would you like to have the maid program instead?" I mean that it's just it's just and that that was >> yeah the way they're presenting it to people is just the most tonedeaf and insensitive way you could think of. And it's like how are these even human beings at this point? How can you sit there and talk to a person calmly, collectively and and completely frankly and seriously, oh yeah, you had a bad day? Well, let me help you kill yourself. >> Yep. >> How is that? I think I mean like isn't

this supposed to aren't we supposed to is isn't one of the values the stated values you know kindness and empathy and you know everybody's got a mental illness that we all need to pull together and and help help us all help everybody get through and no no not in Canada it's like oh you're you're somewhere less than 100% well you know you could kill yourself >> Yep. >> Yeah. And and they have commercials with all kinds of, you know, neon colors and it, you know, it looks like it's a spa. >> Oh, yeah. Oh, it's so nice and beautiful and wonderful offing yourself and, you know, then we're going to and and before you're even dead, we're going to promise your organs to other people.

>> Yep. >> So, I mean, it's a population reduction program as well as an organ harvesting program. Well, apparently they've got good propaganda because the numbers are up. >> Yeah. Yeah. And I mean it's the demographics of the program is also shocking. I mean like over 95% of the people who get euthanized are all, you know, white Canadians. The very same Canadians who Justin Trudeau said, "We're going to get rid of people like you because these, you know, old stock Canadians, we don't want you anymore in the country." Yep. >> So, we're going to get rid of you. And I mean, like, okay, well, maybe uh is this a case where just white people really

are just, you know, they look out at the world and they see how it just, you know, you look at the world hates us. We're all evil. We've destroyed everything. And, you know, oh, I'm so depressed because of that. I'm just going to kill myself. And I mean, it's just a self-fulfilling prophecy. Well, again, they started this this thing really ramped up during COVID and and I remember watching some of the videos where people were talking about the fact that rents had gone up so much during COVID in Toronto that that this was their only way out because they literally couldn't afford housing. >> So, u yeah, talk about problem reaction solution. There you go. So, I don't

know. My sense is that I I what I've been trying to say is the Clarity Act, this is the final piece. I don't you know whatever it is that is going to trigger it I they need the clarity act to that's the trigger for we'll own nothing >> and uh because that they've built the tech I mean it's not like the tech that they're using is is breathtaking right it's not they're not atomic swaps it's it's not hard to do a centralized version of this >> so they've got the their version of the tech ready which your your version of it was far superior you know what a decade ago um >> almost Yeah, >> but now they just need this legal piece. And and then what I try to describe to

people is because some people look at this and they'll say, um, hey, I don't have crypto or I don't care about crypto. This doesn't affect me. And I'm like, do you have a 401k? Do you have a stock portfolio? You know, you will you won't this isn't about having a crypto wallet. If your broker is is using this, if this is what is the infrastructure underneath what you're broke, you are directly affected by it. And it's hard to communicate that because people are far removed from understanding the existing system, let alone what tokenization would mean um in the way that they're doing it under the hood. So yeah. Yeah, it's tokenization. I mean, it's it's an esoteric concept, but it it comes

down to something really simple. It's just you're just making a digital tradable representation of something. >> Yep. Exactly. And a digital representation of it now. And the question is, is that digital representation something that that you have in your own custody or is it something somebody else can program, track and censor? That that's the battleground. >> Yeah. >> Well, and I mean that was uh that was I think the idea behind uh National Wallets. I think there was uh there was some country that was trying to do this and they were trying to make cryptocurrency wallets illegal unless it was the government registered cryptocurrency wallet. So then now the government

I don't know necessarily I didn't look into it deeply enough to know if it was the government's private keys and you just you just got to use the wallet or if or if your all of your public addresses the wallet was constantly telling the government yes these these addresses that I'm generating belong to this person but either ca in either case there would be an identity associated with your bitcoin addresses so the whole pseudonym ity of Bitcoin. This government was trying to just wipe it out by saying you can only use the government approved Bitcoin wallet. >> Yep. >> Yeah. And you know, you can expect you again, you can expect more of that.

There's I've gone into the the I'm going to do another write up because they obviously keep on changing as they're moving the goalposts on clarity, but maybe a top 10 facts that people should know about what the real implications of these of these bills are from a surveillance perspective and what it means broadly, you know, because I'll tell you I I've I've tried to see is there somebody to debate about the Genius Act or the Clarity Act? And this is where where it turns out there isn't anybody to debate. Even if you go online and you know somebody puts in a positive comment that's you find out they're bots because you try to engage with with it and there's zero response ever. >> Yeah.

slogans. >> Well, they're slogans and then you go click on the profile and it's like, okay, this is a lobbyist for this company or this is a lawyer for the like there there's never been I've not found an individual that is not being paid by the side pushing the legislation that is knows enough about it to even engage in a conversation or defend it. It just doesn't happen. No one's ever I I've had many podcast No one's ever refuted any of the points. Um, it's it's crazy. But the thing that I found fascinating is we launched this war in Iran and everything and we are in the middle of this government shutdown and yet what is the government focused on every day? You

know, Scott Bant, well, we've got to push, we've got to get clarity done. Trump, we've got to get clarity done. Why is it so urgent to get this bill done around the tokenization of assets when the world is blowing up around us and we, you know, we can't even keep the government open? Uh, but boy, we better get the Clarity Act done. This is this is why you got to focus on what they're doing in the middle of all of the distractions because what it is that they're actually doing, that's the source of the problem and that's the threat that you should be aware of. >> Yeah. Well, the cattle have too much of too much stuff. They're getting ideas about freedom and and having their own

property and and living off-rid and and uh having some sort of financial or energy independence, not at a national level, but at an individual level. And now we really can't threaten them. So, they're just going to kaibos that whole thing. >> They're going to try. They're going to try, but we still got time. And, you know, who knows? There's there's an opening. And and you know, again, thank you for what you're doing because you're the only one that I'm I'm aware of that's on the offense. So, this is actually this is refreshing. >> Yeah. >> I mean, that was one of my big points years ago when I was first trying to push my story out is like I'm the only person on the offensive here. Like every

single one of these sort of tragic stories always ends up with the innocent person usually going to jail or having their life destroyed in ways they can't recover from. But I recovered and now I'm on the offensive and I'm winning all by myself, which is pretty good. Imagine what I could do with 10,000 people behind me helping me. >> Yep. Um, well, I wonder if there's something, you know, I don't know if it's a petition or or something else that we can do to help aggregate more support and, you know, keep >> Yeah, I think it's just going to have to I mean, I I there's Canada has become such a closed country like you can't even see Canadian news on Facebook

the way the way Canada has kind of gotten the world to to basically censor it from the information economy. It really is like a communist nation at this point. Like news isn't getting out and and world news is not getting in. So they've really kind of contained Canadians in this little bubble of weird passive aggressive narcissistic faux patriotism where we all hate Trump and Trump is the devil and meanwhile we're getting we're all getting rugpulled by Mark Carney and the liberals and and the lines between parties are all breaking down and you've got conservatives who last week were lambasting the liberals are now crossing the floor to join the liberals.

so that they have a majority government to cram through every bad piece of legislation they ever dreamed of. So like the company the country is just collapsing into chaos, but they've erected this great information wall around them so that that like they they can't see how fast the country is collapsing. So it's it's going to be a challenge I think overcoming the wall of national censorship. But I think once we do and once it starts organically getting talked about within Canada, that's when things will really start uh to happen in terms of the government finally coming to the table and trying to negotiate a

settlement because yeah, if if that noise gets out of hand, then things are going to get really difficult for whatever it is that they're trying to do. And there'll probably be all kinds of people starting to file lawsuits of their own based off of the precedents that have been set already in my lawsuit. >> Yep. Um well, good. That's a good thing. I Let's Let's hope that that happens and uh you know, we'll do everything that we can here. And again, surprised some some of these people haven't uh popped in, but uh I guess it's probably getting getting a little late, but um I haven't seen a thesis officer in the chat telling everybody, "Oh, this guy's a fraud and blah blah blah blah blah."

Just >> No, none of that. No, no, no. No opposition. >> I guess they they've given up on that angle. It's a little It's a little hard to to to back that up with anything. >> Yeah, exactly. So, they're they don't use the truth. Um, you know, again, they use court tactics and they use suppression. That's the thing that is just uh uh I don't know. I you know as much as as I know government government is not working in our best interest and and you you know how corrupt it is just just when you sit through a one of these sentencing hearings and and see just the lack of regard um for uh the truth. It's all about the prosecution getting a win and and then and then, you know,

ironically, building up a win record so that they can leave the government and then become uh defense council and charge outrageous sums on the other side. I mean, this is like it's a it's a horrible game because it's completely disconnected from the truth and it's disconnected from law, but it's hard to get the average person to understand that you there are several layers that you're trying to unpack for them. But hopefully we can do it. I mean, because sadly we have enough cases now of different people with different experiences where it's not even none of these are the same judge. None of these are the same jurisdiction. These aren't even the same country. This is what's uh

interesting about this. And it did occur to me as well. I mean, I haven't followed what's going on with Kim.com in his case, but I mean, you know, when you're talking about Five Eyes, there's one example of of Five Eyes in action uh clearly with with his scenario. Um, and that's been going on for I don't even know how many years now, but over a decade, I guess. >> Yeah. >> So crazy. Well, any any final thoughts, but before we uh close it out? >> Uh, no. No, I think uh I mean I think we're coming up to four hours now, so this is this has been fun. So, thanks again for having me on, Aaron. Yeah, thank you for coming on and and everyone equitLlawsuit.com and I and I look forward to reading this

book um and uh having a separate conversation about that. So may maybe we can talk about that in uh uh in Grand Rapids, Michigan at the Enemies of the State event on May the 25th. >> I hope to see you there. >> Awesome. All right, I'm going to play the the latest music video that I put together. You may may appreciate this one. This one is uh free Ian uh free Ian Freeman, but it has some of the other crypto prisoners in there as well. Uh so with that said, we'll be back next uh Thursday at 6 PM and I believe I'll have to check the calendar. It will be with the lawyers for Roman Sterling. So with that, have a great night. Bye.

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