Trump Won t Pardon Nice So I Put It On the Ballot

Hampshire Trump won't pardon nice, so I am putting it on the ballot. Then I sit down with Joby Weeks, crypto political prisoner number eight, a $722 million fraud with no victims and a government that admitted on its own docket. It cannot take the case to trial. He is in year seven of a five-year sentence. While we countdown, hit like. Share the stream. Pull a friend in. Tonight matters. See you in a few. Tonight, the next step in the fight. I am running for the open United States Senate seat in New Hampshire. The deal is the four demands. Free the crypto political prisoners. Fire Howard Lutnik.

Kill the Clarity Act. End the draft. Meet all four and I drop out. Otherwise, I am on the ballot. Sue Noo-Noo loses and the 50/50 Senate slips. This next one is day 2026. Live free or die, but death's not the worst. It's waking up empty. It's dying of thirst. Trading your days for insurance and pills. While the machine builds your cage and you're paying the

bills. Quiet aspiration. That's the real grave. A life half lived as a comfortable slave. This ain't what you were born for. You know it's true. You feel it in your chest. Breaking through their wire in the walls, closing in. Tracking your dollars underneath your skin. Left and right. Same throne, same crown. No one stands up. No one makes a sound. They hand you a ballot like it means something real. Two wings of one bird, same deal, same steel. We say no. No to

the chase. No to the dollar running through our to the white go to the light. This is the day that we ride. It's her right here. It's right now. Your rights are yours. You take them back. Not giving out. Not from the left. Not from the right. They were always yours. Now step into the light. The daylight breaks. A new day comes. We take it back. Every last one. Live free or die. We fan the flame. Nothing will

ever be the same. Fan the flame. The flame. Yeah. Heat. Howard Lutnik is the Secretary of Commerce. He spent the last year writing the rules. The Genius Act exempts the

stable coin his sons control. The Clarity Act builds the surveillance grid that lands every trade in a federal database. The bills the crypto industry is celebrating with the kumis were written by the man who profits when they pass. This next one is called lutnik. Gather around lads, gather around losses. H the tail of the commerce man's crooked

asses. Howard wrote the number four times too high. 025 when the truth was a mile away in the sky. his boy at the counter counter with a grin. Buying up the refund rights while the paper was thin. 20 cents on the dollar. Daddy says hold while the sun's in the back rooming in the gold. LOVE IT FOUR TIMES HIGH. LOVELY. WATCH THE COUNTRY CRY. Brandon bought the rights on the slide. Took the payday pie. Raise a glass and move your money. Move your money. Move your money. Raise a glass and move your money to the carnival.

Goodbye. Askin wrote the letter. Wade and wrote another. Warren lit the fire. Aman pulled the cover. Wired showed the memo. The scholars showed the math. The Supreme Court rang the bell. 6 to3 for the wrath. Well, 180 billion to the people they come. But the caner boys were waiting when the deal was done. Transfer to the sons. THE DIVEST A SHAM. The house was still a house and the crowd still a scam. LONDON

bought the rights on the slide. took the payday pie. Raise a glass and move your money. Move your money. Move your money. Raise a glass and move your money to the carnival. Goodbye. They'll tell you it was legal. They'll tell you it was clean. They'll tell you divestigure was everything it seemed. But the platform's still the same. And the family still the name and the terminal still clears. What the caner boys arrange? I pulled my money from the bank last Tuesday. Put it in a credit union down the bay.

Buying bread from the baker where the names are owners. Coffee don and zano where the grid ain't ain't theirs. Neighbor runs the mesh. Co-op runs the bread. Building parallel systems while the carnival is dead. Raise a point to the exit. Raise a point TO THE DOOR. HOWARD KEEPS THE CARNIVAL. I WON'T BE THERE NO MORE. LNICK WROTE IT FOUR TIMES HIGH. LOVE WATCH THE COUNTRY CRY. BRANDON BOUGHT THE RIGHTS on the slide. Danc took the payday pie. Raise a glass and move your money. Move your money. Move your money. Raise a glass and move your money

to the carnival. Goodbye. Move your money. Goodbye. GOODBYE. STORM. STERLING. RODRIGUEZ. HILL. FREEMAN. YOUSEF. Six cages. one key.

Each of them wrote code, ran a node, or operated an exchange. None of them robbed anyone. None of them harmed anyone. All of them are casualties of a war on privacy this country watched in silence. These are the enemies of the state. This next one is enemies of the state. Do you hear the SEVEN CALLING, CALLING from their cages still? Do you hear the

promise breaking on the president's hill? I ran the embassy in Keen where the small bills change their hands. Eight years for digital cash for laws written before the network stand. Do you hear the seven calling? falling from their cages. Still free and free men. Free them all. Hard them all before the bell.

50 million and a gag order. The judge took my voice with my gold. Roger in the Spanish hold. The bill is not paid. The truth still untold. Do you hear the servant calling calling from their cages still? Free Roger here. Free them all. Hide them all before the bell. Sterling golf stood on the map. 12 and a half on a black box. Roman Storm wrote the contract. 40 years on the table. Keon built the wallet. Christmas Eve Morgan Town. William wrote Privacy at 67. Four years from Lisbon. Ray banks

the unbanked schools in his name deported. Do you hear the seven calling calling from their cages still free them all? Free them all. Pardon them all before the bell. Cold is free speech said the director. The war is over said the acting ag. But the cages stayed locked when the speeches ended and the world watched the promise become a lie.

Senate 5249 the house about to flip. End the war or lose. Congress pardon them all before the bell. You rock the seven are still America won't leave the world in crypto if it cages its innovator. Do you hear the sen calling calling from their cages still? Free them all. Free them all. Pardon them all. Before the bell,

the cold out lives the cold out. >> The cold out the water. Free. >> Free roger. Free ro. Free rolling. Free storm free will free rain. >> The cold out lives the Roman Sterlingov ran no exchange. He wrote no code. The government convicted him of running Bitcoin fog to like on a

blockchain guess from a private surveillance company called chain analysis. The same math they used on him they can use on you. He is serving 12 and a half years. This next one is let him fly. Born in Russia, raised in Stockholm, Bitcoin made me young and free. I flew to California to learn to fly a plane for me.

Landed in Los Angeles with my laptop and my life. Men in dark suits waiting at the gate. Never made it out that night. Let him fly. Let him fly. He came to learn to fly. They locked him in a cage for a tool nobody understood. Let him fly. Let him fly. Let the pilot fly. They took my diaries. They took my drives.

Searched every password and folder of my life. Found nothing in the wreckage. No server logs, no keys, just a company theories and a judge you wouldn't see. 395 million is what they say I owe, but I had 1.8. I guess they didn't know. Let him fly. Let him fly. He came to learn to fly. They locked him in a cage for a tool nobody understood. Let him fly.

Let him fly. Let the pilot fly. The defense asked me under oath, "Am I aware of scientific evidence that this software works? I am unaware. I am unaware. I am unaware of scientific evidence. This software works. I came to fly. I came to fly.

Let it fly. Let it fly. Let it fly. Let it fly. Let the pilot touch the sky. 12 and a half years for a crime they couldn't prove. Let him fly. Let him fly. Let Roman fly Roman Sterling Fort Dicks May 12th

9:30 in the morning. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Let him fly. Let him fly.

That's the pre-show. The Aaron Day Show starts now. All right, welcome back to the Aaron Day Show. This is season 3, episode 18. Actually have a couple things to go over tonight, and I'm actually going to be changing the format of this show uh quite a bit over the next few weeks. It's been a It seems like it's been a long time since I did the podcast, but I I actually have been putting content up here. So last week we did the full rebroadcast of the Enemies of the State event from Grand Rapids, Michigan. And I hope you had an opportunity to to watch that. And if not, I I highly recommend it. It was it was a phenomenal event. Um

and a massive amount of effort went into organizing this and putting it together. Um Dan O'Neal is really the guy who came up with the whole enemies of the state concept a couple of years ago and uh put this all together at the 2024 convention along with Chris Fox and a whole team of people. So there's a whole team involved in uh I I mean you know to get that number I think we were advocating for 12 different uh enemies of the state. Seven of them are cryptofocused. seven or eight of them are cryptofocused and then you had folks like uh Ammon Bundy and Dexter Taylor. Uh just going through the process of trying to line everybody up, get the schedules to work and then to put on the

the whole production and all of the graphics and everything. It I the the group the team just did a phenomenal job and we're going to be putting out this content from this event over the next month. Uh we'll be putting out I mean of course you can see the whole broadcast but we're going to break it up into the individual talks as well as as viral clips. Uh because when we were putting this together the real point is you know yeah we were at the Libertarian convention and that's a separate conversation. I'll happy to talk about it here in a bit. U but you're only going to get a few hundred people you know live from the event. So whenever I look at these things I kind of look at

it as okay well what are we trying to do? And what we were what we're trying to do with the enemies of the state event is really broadcast and make people aware of of what's going on with the state targeting people who are um you know this isn't a case of hey this is a really nice guy we think that he should be pardoned. These are people that didn't commit crimes. These are people that actually uh build, innovate, build uh groundbreaking technology, develop systems and tools to protect our privacy and to protect our constitutional rights. I mean, in every one of these cases, and I will tell you, obviously this year, I mean, this is season 18, but you know, well over half

of of these episodes have been dedicated to mostly crypto prisoners. And I this podcast did not start out with that as a focus. The focus still remains warning people about technocracy and then pushing people to adopt uh parallel systems and to take control of their life and to take their free will back. But this has become a massive part of this because what you realize as you study more in detail and what I've been doing is I've been analyzing the cases. I've been talking to I mean in some cases now I've talked to some of these prisoners in prison or I've talked to their spouses or their lawyers and and patterns are starting to emerge you know because initially when it's like okay

it's Ross Olrich then maybe you have Ian Freeman um you're like well okay wow the these are horrifying situations but are these you know isolated cases and at this point now um not only is this this is a standard playbook these these tactics that they news, you know, with the militarized police and sending 30, 40, 50 people to your home at 6:00 in the morning, by the way, which seems to be the prime time to do this and with loaded weapons and drones and bearcats and, you know, arresting you in front of your children and in front of your spouses uh for, you know, nonviolent non-crimes. Like, that's a playbook. That is a standard thing that they do. And then you learn about the tactics

that they use in court. But then what I'm starting to piece together is there really is a a specific motivation particularly with these crypto cases and it's now spanning multiple administrations. But certainly um there's a desire to to shut down peer-to-peer solutions to shut down privacy. And in some cases I have a theory about the uh the guest that I I interviewed today. I'm playing a pre-recorded interview with Joby Weeks. I I think there's an argument to be made that the that the federal government has targeted and and you know, specifically confiscated people's Bitcoin and crypto and now confiscated mining equipment. And I'll get to this. I I think this is a fascinating

uh element to the interview with Joby Weekes that I want to begin to do more research on. But there has been a fullcourt concerted uh attack on freedom technology and on people who normally otherwise would be glorified. I mean, when you meet these people and talk to these people, I interviewed Lauren Rodriguez a couple of weeks ago. I mean, these are all well educated, smart people that um are law-abiding people that that love freedom and promote freedom. I mean, there there is no aspect in any of these cases where we've interviewed or covered any of this where it's like, "Oh, yeah, well, this guy really was up to bad things." I mean, what is the bad thing? Promoting

peace, promoting the end to war, promoting the end to tyranny through voluntary interaction. I mean, literally, this this is insane what's going on. and the enemies of the state party. In 2024, we were honoring five people and then this time it was 12, maybe 13. We actually even added some um at the end. And frankly, even since the the party from uh like two weeks ago, there are more people to add to the list. And so, I mean, the war on crypto didn't end under Trump at at all. that I see no indication that the practices of the DOJ have changed at all. And in some cases, they've accelerated. And this should be worrisome because this is a fundamental

issue about about free speech and about freedom and about privacy. It's not it's not about whatever it is that the headlines say that these cases are about. So, you're going to see a lot of um content uh for a while in different formats on my social media and then I may even play some clips from time to time on this show. But, uh just a huge shout out to Dan O'Neal and Chris Fox and the other Chrises and the whole team because I I think that uh it was a really important event and it's very important that this information gets out and that it gets out now, right? Um, I actually spoke with Roman Sterlingoff from prison and um, you know, one of the things he said to me, I think he's now

been in there for six years and I know this is the truth when uh, when I was covering Roger's case, you know, often what happens is people are excited or they get angry or they're pissed off when they initially hear the story and then there's some enthusiasm, but unless there's an update in the case, um, it it tends to go uh, cold And you know, I think for some of these guys, they feel like, well, I hope these people don't forget me. Um, and you know, I was struck by that talking to Roman Sterlingoff. So, we're we're not going to do that. We're obviously going to continue to press on not only in raising awareness, but I'm going to talk tonight uh before the Joby Weeks interview about

what's going on with my Senate race. A big part of which is uh designed to gain some leverage to hopefully get these crypto prisoners of war free. So, I'm going to continue to do an update. So, there'll always be a at least a a little segment each each show. The other thing though is going into the libertarian convention, I actually had four talks. So I gave one talk in front of the entire LP convention and that talk was essentially ditch the dollar and I will uh after I go through this political part I I'll show you. You can go to ditch the dollar.com. I'll actually put that in the notes. I think this is an important uh website. I I've completed kind of the first versions now of of

seven of these websites that I've been talking about for a while and I've been, you know, teasing, you know, alpha versions of these sites and so forth and getting feedback over the last month. We've launched now kind of the first version of the all of these sites, which isn't to say that they're all perfect, but they're at a point where, you know, they're they're kind of cohesive. They have a very specific plan um very specific strategy and intention and all of it is around at the end of the day helping people reclaim their free will and to take back back their power and to build parallel systems as well as to educate on technocracy and I'm not going to go through the whole ecosystem today

but ditch the dollar is a perfect example of something that I have been talking about for the last few months in fact when I ran for president in 2012 24 that my my real message was at the time I said bank run now and I had this shirt that had a heart on it and you know it said halt CBDC's uh end the Fed stop World War II and that was the message and the whole point behind that is if you stop using fiat currency you take the energy out of the system you defund those things that remains uh the best strategy that we have uh but my first talk on ditch the dollar basically, and it was a short speech, 15 minutes or something. It was essentially saying, "Listen, you know, when you're

at a libertarian event, they chant end the Fed." This this is a a common occurrence. It's probably the big rallying cry whenever you go to these conventions. And you know, I I think about that and I'm like, "Okay, well, when did this start? When did this big momentum around end the Fed begin?" And it began it began because of Ron Paul who wrote a book and the Fed and great book and obviously it helped educate a lot of people. But I looked at well how are we doing with respect to end the Fed and I'm not going to do the whole presentation. I'll probably next week do the the kind of an expanded, you know, full launch of Ditch the Dollar. But, you know, since Ron Paul wrote that book,

67% of all of the money that's ever been printed has was printed. Um, I just saw today I tweeted there's a great research article from the Brownstone Institute uh that discusses the fact that um the purchasing power of the dollar has has absolutely plummeted just since 2019. And when I say plummeted, the official statistics from the government show that the purchasing power of the dollar has declined by 26% since 2019. But these brownstone numbers which are actually, you know, based on real analysis and they go into great detail in terms of backing all this up, show the dollar's lost almost 50% of its purchasing power just since 2019. I mean, this is

horrendous. And by the way, I mean, I'm sure you're all experiencing this. We're all experience experience this experiencing this directly. But I mean, I I struck me. I went to go put some air in one of my tires yesterday or the day before. And if you know, if you've ever done that before, you know, usually it used to be back in the day you could get air for free, but then you know, then they figured out how to monetize that. And so it's a thing where they have these machines that would take quarters because, you know, usually you'd go, it's like, okay, I'm going to pay 25 cents or 50 cents. Now they're all credit card machines and debit cards because it cost me $3 to put

air in my tire. Like it is absolutely out of control what is going on with inflation and and the loss the absolute loss of purchasing power. So and the Fed as a political movement within the Republican party is 100% dead. It has completely failed and its peak the absolute kind of apex of this entire situation was when you had Rand Paul, Thomas Massie and Justin Amash elected and this was the big hope this was and I got caught up in this. I believe this, you know, you know, we we're we're all we're all learning on this journey, but I used to believe that, you know, when I moved to New Hampshire, like, oh yeah, we're going to achieve liberty in our lifetime through

the, you know, by bringing liberty into the Republican party. And man, that is that has not worked. That is objectively failed. So now when I hear people chant end the Fed, it's meaningless to me. If you really want to end the Fed, ditch the dollar. And it's something that anyone can do right now. I've stopped using a personal bank account since 2019. But what ditchthed dollar.com has is a series of eight steps on exactly how to do this because people ask me all the time and I get it on social media. Oh, sure. That's a great statement, but how do you actually do it or you can't actually do it? And this is true. This has been what the hollow chanting of the

Fed has meant. It's a completely hollow movement, but you can ditch the dollar. And now I have finally built out the tutorials that I've been talking about. And what I learned talking to everyone and collecting feedback and doing these workshops is, you know, people don't want to watch videos. It's really hard if you're sitting there on your phone or on your device and you're like watching a video and you're having to scroll back and forth to go through the step. No, people don't want that. So, I've created step-by-step instructions where you can see each screenshot. It tells you exactly what to do every flow uh of the way. And through ditchthedoll.com and

the related site freedomforge, which is where the tutorials are housed, you can do the following. You can download a wallet like bitcoin.com and if you have no crypto at all, zero, you can download a Bitcoin wallet and you can buy crypto from within the wallet. You can then take that crypto within that wallet and swap it for privacy coins directly. you can swap for Zeno for F-USD. If you already have Bitcoin or Ethereum and you want to make those private, you can actually make uh uh private versions of those or you can you can swap your transparent version of those cryptocurrencies for privacy protecting versions right within the app. So, there are instructions on how

to do that. There are also instructions on how to do this with Edge Wallet, instructions on how to do this with Cakewallet. There are also step-by-step instructions for how you can get a Zbeck debit card. And there are step-by-step instructions for how you can start to accept cryptocurrency as a payment method for your website. So, if you have a WordPress or similar type of site, there's a plugin for you to now be able to configure and receive payment because this is the best way. I mean, I want to say this uh time and time again. This is about parallel building parallel systems. And a key part of parallel systems is people actually engaging in voluntary trade where you're buying and

selling from one another. So if if there's an opportunity to begin earning in these alternative currencies, that is really, you know, the key of it. Now, obviously you've got to get started somewhere. So buying some, converting some or whatever, that's a good way to get in. But if you really want to start thinking about, well, how are we really going to defeat technocracy? How are we really going to end the Fed? The way we're going to do that is by building these parallel economies and not just buying and holding and speculating on a digital asset, but actually using those as the alternative for day-to-day payments. This was in fact the entire initial purpose behind

Bitcoin. And so anyway, eight steps, tutorials, the whole nine yards, ditch the dollar.com. I'll do a whole big thing on that, but that was that was my first talk. I I gave two talks at the enemies of the state event and I'm going to do a kind of a rehashing of the second the second speech. The first speech was where I just drew the parallels amongst the crypto prisoners of war. I identified seven common themes and unfortunately we now have enough prisoners enough cases enough uh you know legal documents and information where we can actually start to form patterns. So I gave that as kind of a high level overview. And then at the at the event, you had people, you had

Lauren Rodriguez talking about Kone and uh William Hill. You had Bonnie Freeman and Mark Edge talking about Ian. Uh Angela Mardo was there. Lynn Olrich was there. Uh you you had people and then eventually we had the lawyers for Roman Sterlingoff. And then Roman Sterlingoff uh then later did a I did an audio recording with him from prison. Roman Storm did a video. But I wanted to provide some context because I think it's really important now that we start to understand and and explain to people as simply as as possible what is going on with the judicial system because people do not understand. People still have this, you know, oh this person was charged by the government, they must be

guilty. justice is blind and these people are pursuing the truth and we have all of these constitutional safeguards and that is just that's false and that's not a one-off situation. It is systemic uh and we need to get the word out. But then the second was talking about what we can do with these crypto prisoners of war. And you know, I I have a strategy and I you know, it's exhausting. Uh it's emotionally draining talking to these people and their spouses and just learning more and more. I mean, again, I today, you know, talking to Joby weeks, you know, somehow I'm still stunned even though, you know, once you're talking to the eighth person and you've been doing this for three

years, um it's still shocking the tactics that they use. And so again, the one thing that I'm going to say overall about about all these guys is they're not they're not criminals. These are entrepreneurs. These are people promoting innovative solutions. And and you know, Trump said the war on crypto was over. And Cash Patel and Todd Blanch had a panel discussion remotely at the Bitcoin conference entitled, you know, ending the war on Bitcoin. And uh none of it's happened. And so, so this is one of the reasons that I'm running for US Senate. It's not the only reason. It's one of four, but I I want to give the the history on this because people do

not understand this. This is a kind of a unique strategy to use. I do think I've done it before and you've probably heard me talk about that and I'm going to explain more. I have run for US Senate before in 2016 specifically to be a spoiler and I told people a year in advance I was going to do that and it was effective and there are some people like oh well you know you might cause the Dem to win or whatever but I think now I will say this now more people than ever finally understand what I did 10 years ago and the reason they understand is Thomas Massie and So this is the presentation that I gave on this and so you know you you can

try to be nice to to Trump and you know and this is an issue and I and I get this like if you're cuz I'm kind of you know I have not been kind to the administration. Um and in fact even when the election came up I said well yeah if you're going to vote you know you know maybe vote for Trump makes sense because at least you know we can get Ross free. But I I was very explicit about the fact that do not expect Trump anything other than a transaction related to getting Ross free. He was going to be horrible on policy. I've stated this many times. I stated that he was going to be pushing a technocratic agenda. You can see uh my podcast with Dr. Irene on that. So

everything that's happening, none of it is surprising. Um, but people get nervous about speaking out because they're like, "Well, hey, my loved one is in there." And, you know, we're kind of the only the only option that we have is for him to issue the pardon. It's up to one guy. But the one thing I want to say about Trump is that Trump is completely transactional. So, you can speak out against Trump, but, you know, to further the idea that he's transactional, he wrote a book on this. I I will admit I read uh The Art of the Deal like shortly after it came out. I was like 11 12 years old and I read this book. I I've always been kind of a nerd and and you know I remember

reading this book but if you read the book I don't remember the details of it but the whole the whole thing is about various contexts around um how to use leverage and how to do transactions and and in this case kind of glorifying uh his own exploits in this regard. And now remember so my my contention is that that Ross uh is free for you know for two reasons. One because of Lynn Olrich's work uh as a driving force uh unrelenting force raising awareness about the case and getting over 600,000 signatures and and everything else. Uh but then ultimately what pushed it over the finish line finally wasn't because it was the right thing to do or so on and so forth. Because Trump,

you have to remember this, Trump was facing a hundred years in prison. Trump had to win election, the election in 2024 or he would probably be in a cage. So, he needed to make a deal. So, he went to Angela Mardell and, you know, you know, kind kind of asked, "Well, what are you what are you looking for for support?" and and you know she came up with three things and at the top of the list was was freeing Ross. And so I mean obviously if you were at the event where Trump spoke at the Libertarian Convention, the audience was more or less hostile. In fact, people were sitting there again chanting and the Fed the the hollow thing. Um but other than you know the statement that he was going to

commute Ross' sentence, for the most part, people were pretty hostile to Trump. But he did honor the deal and he said very explicitly, "If you vote for me on day one, I will commute Ross Olrich's sentence." I mean, and this was the appeal. He needed the votes. By the way, this is the same reason he had to get RFK Jr. out of the race. If RFK had run as an independent, he would have definitely lost. And this is true. And again, when I explain my political strategy here, it does work. If you use a third party race to hold the two parties accountable, you can actually get leverage and get something done. This is a proven fact. Now, I will admit most of the time third parties are

not strategic and it ends up being just, you know, this mess where it it, you know, it doesn't help at all where you end up even negating pushing your agenda based on kind of the combination of races. But if you are if you're strategic about it, it can be effective. And if you look at the results like arguably Trump won uh Wisconsin based on the fact that you know the polling kind of prior to the convention um you know basically Trump ended up gaining an extra 1% it looked like by a shift of libertarians uh voting for Trump instead of for the libertarian candidate. It did in fact make a difference. And again, he had to do this um with RFK and RFK was saying

horrible things about Trump and he was a threat to democracy, so on and so forth. And then again, had to get him out. And I would argue he's captured I would argue the medical freedom community has been captured and that it's been a complete and total disaster for the medical freedom community. But he told RFK what he wanted to hear. He told a lot of other people what they wanted to hear because he had to to get the votes to stay out of prison. I think this is this is actually pretty clear now at this point. But when it comes to, you know, again, this transactional nature of Trump, look at some of what his cabinet members and even his vice president have said about him prior to

becoming cabinet members. Uh in 2016, Marco Rubio said Trump is a con artist unfit for the nuclear codes. JD Vance called him America's Hitler and was part of the never Trump movement and ended up becoming his vice president. Ted Cruz, who is now Trump's closest ally in the US Senate, called Trump a pathological liar, utterly immoral, sniveling, sniveling coward. Right? So, so all of these people uh have insulted Trump and gotten a cabinet seat or subsequently were able to uh smooth things over. So, so when when I I

I know when people get a little um I'm just calling out the truth, too. I'm not even sitting here calling him names. I'm actually I'm outlining, hey, look, this guy is the chair of the board of peace there. He's monetizing the technocratic reconstruction of Gaza. This is this is horrendous. under any other circumstance, people would be protesting this stuff. We have to call this stuff out. And in fact, this is uh a huge piece of leverage for this race uh that that I'm running. And I'm going to explain where all of this fits in. So, I mean, again, I understand I think that the p the crypto prisoners themselves and spouses and so forth, you know, should be should

be kind and and and nice to Trump, but but it doesn't mean that we all have to be. Um, and you know, I think we should be fact-based, but we should also not shy away from the truth. And the truth is is dreadful right now. I mean, I don't know how many people I know that voted for Trump based on whether it's he was going to end the war on crypto, which he's done the complete reverse. And it's not even just the crypto prisoners, it's the policies, it's the Genius Act, it's the Clarity Act. Or voted for him because whether you liked him or not, one of the best things out of his first term is he didn't get us in into any new wars and he promised to not get us into any more

entanglements, especially in the Middle East. So he captured a lot of votes for that. He captured a lot of votes based on medical fre the medical freedom community and vaccines and everything else which again to me I was always scratching my head on how why do you think that the guy that pushed operation warp speed and still says it's one of his biggest achievements why you thought that guy was going to turn around. I think frankly the shooting probably I think people probably just thought oh well this guy's a changed man or whatever. Obviously it was all false. So, but at the end of the day, he is a art of the deal kind of guy. He's a transactional guy. Well, here's the current situation.

Based on the prediction markets, the Republicans are going to lose the house. I mean, that's pretty much a lock at this point. And it gets worse every day. I mean, again, the longer gas is up at this price and everything else and the war, I mean, it's, you know, it's bad. And the Senate is now, the last time I checked, literally based on the prediction markets, a 5050 tossup. So, at this point, if he loses the House and loses the Senate, he's going to be impeached. And frankly, if it continues the way that it's continuing, he could possibly even be convicted. I mean, this is a situation when you look at like the House passing, you know, stating that, you know, he needs to go through

Congress in order to continue the war in Iran, so on and so forth. Not that that has any teeth, but there's there's been a significant shift um e even now as people are looking at these midterms. And so so we're talking about a 5050 split of the United States Senate. Well, it turns out my home state of New Hampshire is one of the critical races that could determine whether the Republicans retain control of the Senate or not. So remember, it's 50/50. And in New Hampshire, the Democrat Chris Papis is only pulling ahead of the Republican Cenounu by one point. So like this is a make it or break it

race. And I always have to clarify this because everybody gets into the um well but you know if you do this won't won't the Dem. If if we don't hold these parties accountable, what difference does it make if it's a Republican or a Democrat? If the Republicans are going to win, but they're going to increase the deficit more than the Democrats, if they're going to implement technocracy, if they're going to expand wars and they're going to go against everything that they got elected on, what difference does it make? I understand the idea the the point that we have a two-party system. First of all, it's not always the same two parties. So if you look at you know it

wasn't always just Republicans or Democrats. It is true that the dominant model is always kind of moves towards that but using a third party to hold these parties accountable is in my opinion one of the smartest things that we can do. Otherwise people just well besides not voting at all and building parallel systems. But this is one of the best tools that we have in our arsenal because you can do this in a 50-50 divided country. you can do it without raising $100 million. And I've proven that that's the case. But for those who are worried, you know, there are people in New Hampshire like, well, well, we don't have any Republicans in Washington DC, so that's discouraging

people to move and join the Free State Project, which is absolutely ridiculous. If somebody's going to move their entire life to New Hampshire, they're going to do homework and they're going to understand what's actually going on. somebody's and if you're and if people are not moving because of that they're not the kind of people that are going to be very effective uh and they're not particularly critical thinkers but in this caseu is I would argue indistinguishable I think he's actually more dangerous than the Dem senator and while he was a US senator he voted for the Patriot Act he voted for the TARP bailouts the massive bailouts of all of the banks where everybody got

screwed and the bankers got bailed out. He ended up he was against it, then he became for it and then ended up becoming the chair of the oversight committee, which by the way, this is actually why this guy's dangerous. He also voted for Real ID. But the reasons he's dangerous is people will say, "Well, but he tried he put in these protections with the Patriot Act to protect civil liberties." Well, I encourage you to look at what's in the Patriot Act and ask ask yourself if you think your civil liberties have been protected. What this guy is good at is being the guy that, you know, has gravitas because of his political family and his father, John H. Cenounu, who was

also former governor of New Hampshire and former chief of staff to to George HW Bush. But he looks like the smart guy in the room. Um, and he corrals the votes to get the thing over the finish line. So arguably if he didn't put in these, you know, hollow civil liberty protections which turn out to be useless, perhaps the thing wouldn't have been reauthorized at all. That's what makes him dangerous because he's more powerful. He'll be taken more seriously. Chris Papis is horrible and I've actually supported candidates against him in three separate elections, but he's just kind of like a he's an NPC. Cenounu is dangerous because because he's the kind of guy that can get things

done and get these technocratic proposals over the finish line. That's why people should not be losing a minute of sleep. However, this is and by by the way, in my opinion, this is the game changer. This is why in my opinion, if I my name is on the ballot, Cenounu absolutely cannot win. And the reason is this. even within the Free State Project because I haven't been active in politics and people didn't understand what I did 10 years ago or whatever. People were like, "Oh, well, you know, they the the kind of the herd mentality centered around this idea of, well, we can't do anything about DC, but the optics will be better if the Republican wins and so, you know, I guess we're

just going to go, you know, play within the the two-party system." Well, that's all off because Massie lost in large part because of Miriam Adlesen and Apac. They put $30 million into this race. Trump targeted the best, hands down, most pro-liberty member of the House of Representatives and they brought in foreign money or more or money that is tied to foreign interests to do it clearly and that's what bought this election hands down and it was Miriam Adlesen. So now there are people that are saying, you know, that are finally realizing

what I was saying 10 years ago. By the way, this isn't new. You know, what's happened was I, you know, I've been involved in politics for a couple of decades. And when I moved to New Hampshire and I got active, really active in New Hampshire in 2012, um, at that point, we had some enthusiasm. It was right after people were pissed because Ron Paul was treated poorly at the Republican convention and everybody's like, "Well, here's our new game plan, and we're going to, you know, we're going to take control of the United States Congress through the Republican party." And that's where you get Rand Paul and Ron Paul and Justin Amash and everything else. Well, we all

know now that's failed. It failed in the when I gave my little monologue about end the Fed and and it's failed in a broader sense with the the strategy and and it was killed by the sitting president who targeted Massie using Aden's money even brought in Pete Hegsith which I believe is illegal. I don't even know it. To have a Secretary of War campaign against a sitting congressman in your own party is unprecedented. Maybe a violation of the Hatch Act. So now people are looking at this what's going on in New Hampshire and saying, "Wait a minute." So this race actually can be an opportunity

for payback for what happened to Massie to say, "Look, that kind of act if you're going to go after the most liberty guy." I mean, in my opinion, that killed the Liberty strategy, unless something I hear Massie and Marjorie Taylor Green have some new plan to revitalize the Republican party. I I'm going to be honest with you, I'm pretty skeptical of it, but nevertheless, um, this is what we're up against. Well, guess what? Cenounu, the largest financial support for Cenounu is coming from a pack that Miriam Adlesen put $40 million into. So there is so $17 million of support for Cenounu is coming from a pack where Miriam Adlesen is one of the largest donors.

In other words, Aden is trying to buy this election as well. So what you get if you're one of these people sitting there saying, "Well, it's really important the Republicans win." You lose Massie and you get two Republicans who are owned by Miriam Aden. If that what is what you think is an effective political strategy and you think that's going to re uh you know help you achieve liberty I think you need to re-evaluate your life choices at that point truly and so so this is what's going on so this is a big part of the funding now this is where I haven't even updated the slide now turning point USA Charlie Kirk's organization that he founded is going to be doing canvasing

for John Eenounu. So I worked with Charlie Kirk in New Hampshire in 2015 and 2016. We worked on some things related to the Republican Liberty Caucus and I can tell you two things. Well, I can tell you several things about Charlie Kirk. one uh hands down his favorite candidate and according to even the the rating system that Turning Point had. Thomas Massie is like the highest rated candidate according to their metrics. Turning Point USA did not show up for Thomas Massie at all. And there is no way if Charlie Kirk were still alive, Turning Point would support John Eenu.

No way. I mean, first of all, Johnny Cenounu was a never Trumper. There's a whole variety of reasons of this. And so, what you have right now is technocrat Johnny Eenu, funded by Miam Adlesen, laundering Charlie Kirk's reputation through Turning Point USA, sending kids out across the state to push propaganda, pushing an agenda that ultimately Miriam Adlesen is pushing. There is no reason to vote for John Eenu. No one can make a principled argument about this at all. And by the way, if it's going to continue to slide like this, if New Hampshire's strategy for liberty is based on this idea of, well, unless we have people elected that have an R next to

their name, people aren't going to move here, and so therefore, we need to take Miriam Aden's money so that we can win state house races. Then the political strategy in New Hampshire is dead. That's just that's not a real strategy. That that's just a fake movement. And by the way, it doesn't have to be this way. I'm still saying you should move to New Hampshire. But at some point, people some of these people need to be listening to this presentation and need to understand this because we are moving away towards liberty. And while New Hampshire is the freest state in the country, we have we've slid in terms of absolute freedom. The federal government has more control

over the state of New Hampshire. The budget has gotten larger. So, it's one thing, and I use this example, it's like, okay, if you're the freest plantation in the slave colony, is that a victory? There is some minimum standard here that you need to kind of hit. and having Miriam Adlesen buy your elections from somebody who's a bad vote that pushes technocracy, whose family has through lobbying relationships and everything else tethered the state of New Hampshire to the federal government. That ain't it. Sometimes you have to sacrifice a single election to move the Overton window in your direction. And that is not what's happening if people allow this to continue. So again, this was the most

expensive House primary in the history of the United States. $34 million, 15.5 million went against Massie from pro-Israeli funding sources. and and so New Hampshire can be ground zero to fix that as retribution for that to say listen if you do believe in the Republican party as a vector for liberty it certainly can't be if a foreign government is controlling your elections and controlling your candidates. So now I want to talk about my track record doing this. I've done this before. I did this in 2016 and here's why. I did this because, you know, I I hate

Washington DC as well. And and at that point in time, you know, my view also was, in fact, I think one of my taglines or at least maybe it was through some of the packs or whatever it was, uh, screw DC, save New Hampshire. This was in fact, you know, that that was my view. I I'm very uh sympathetic to what what people are saying when they say, well, you know, we're not concerned about DC. In fact, that was my view as well until until members of Congress, in particular our US Senator, Kelly Aayat, started to interfere in state elections for her political career. So, you know, I know some of this gets boring or it's a lot of details, but I'm

going to I I need to explain this so that people understand why this is important. Even if your view is, well, we just don't care about these DC things, you need to care because these federal politicians have already taken a big bite out of New Hampshire. Again, we're in a work, I think a third of our budget comes from the federal government now. It's up in a significant way. The ties to the federal government are very significant to the point where, you know, we weren't able to escape COVID tyranny. And there were, you know, $700 million worth of strings attached to this. I'm I'm going to go I could go I've written articles about this with flowcharts and everything and I'm not

going to bore everybody with that. But the simplicity of the story is this. in 2012 after people were pissed like and a lot of people quit politics. a lot of diehard Ron Paul people cuz Ron Paul I think finished second in New Hampshire strong showing like it was there this was the end if you want to talk about where the real Ron Paul energy was man it was here in New Hampshire and I was in these meetings right after that election where some of the top activists that people don't even know who these guys are anymore Christopher Lawless and some others who were huge political activists during the U Ron Paul campaign I was in a meeting with him where he walked out Ran Paul was in the meeting

he said, "Fuck you. I'm out of here." Literally walked up out of the meeting with Rand Paul, said, "I'm done." Cuz Ryan Priebus was there, who was the chair of the party, and Rand Paul and everything else. And a bunch and this was a a meeting with a bunch of hardcore liberty activists, and just walked out. Others walked out. In fact, I think most of the people that were in that room that at that point in 2012 were the most effective pro liberty activists in New Hampshire, most of them are gone. And people don't even know that. people don't even know the history of it. Do we have a problem with institutional knowledge here in this state? So then coming out of that, we

said, "All right, well, listen, this election was a disaster because not only did they screw over Ron Paul, but on top of that, we ended up with Mitt Romney who lost to Obama so that, you know, giving Obama a second term. And at this point in time, the biggest issue for Republicans, if you can imagine, way back when, was stopping Obamacare. This was the number one issue in the NHGOP platform. Number one listed on the platform. And we had a separate meeting separate from the one with Ran Paul of different faction leaders within the Republican party. Some representing the Liberty side. I was there representing Liberty side. We had our elected US Congressman there, the president of the

Senate. We had this, you know, closed door set of meetings for a couple of months. And the idea was, all right, well, listen, we all need to work together and we need to try to to get some political victories here because at that point in time in New Hampshire, all we had were we had a Republican controlled Senate, but the Democrats controlled the House and they controlled the governor's office. This is a bad situation. We had to figure out a way to come together. What Well, the determination was we're going to come together on opposition to Obamacare in all of its forms. And the form that was creeping up at that point in time was Medicaid expansion. This expansion of Medicaid

was part of Obamacare, but the decision as to whether or not to do it or not was left to the states. So, we walked out of this meeting with all of the faction leaders with the agreement that we were going to be united in opposition to Obamacare. like I don't know 3 or 4 weeks after the first meeting that we had, the Republican controlled Senate proposed Obamacare Medicaid expansion. And I again I I'll submit I'll show you the articles and everything that I have documenting this, but Republicans in the state were furious. Not only just the people in that room, but the people in the House. And then I

went to town and county Republican committee meetings around the entire state. So, see, a lot of people don't know this either. A lot of people are like, "Oh, well, you know, they think that I'm just coming up with this stuff." I I was heavily involved. I was running three organizations. Um, I was running, you know, a super PAC. I was running uh the Republican Liberty Caucus of New Hampshire. I was actually on one of these Republican boards or whatever as the chair of the Free State Project. And I was traveling around the state meeting with people, presenting and discussing this. And I would get these resolutions passed at these various town and county and city

committee meetings. And they were almost always unanimous where literally everyone on the committee unanimously agreed to a resolution that they opposed what the Republicans were doing in the Senate. there really was unity in the Republican party around this one issue. This was the big issue. Well, long story short, they did it anyway. They passed it and and everything that they said about it, they lied. You know, they said, "Oh, well, you know, there going to be all of these different uh you know, conditions in here, and if they're not met, we'll automatically, you know, exit the program." And of course, that is never how it works. They promised only 50,000

people would be added to the program. It ended up being twice this. It ended up infect affecting COVID. It ended up, you know, uh materially damaging the ability for us to have free markets for healthcare in New Hampshire. So, I primared a bunch of these senators and we actually got a couple people elected. Not enough to to flip the vote. And so, then another election cycle was coming up and Medicaid expansion was coming up for reauthorization. Well, one of the things that they promised at the time was, well, we're just going to put this in now, but you know, if it doesn't hit our if we aren't able to get work requirements and some of these other things, then we'll just shut it down. Of

course, that, you know, again, that was never the case. So, Kelly AOT was our sitting US senator. So, we had we had done a I I raised like $350,000 for super PAC. My wife was running New Hampshire Liberty Alliance. got we we ended up getting enough people elected where we got majority a majority back in the house and we actually got enough votes to secure a uh speaker of the house who would uh repeal Obamacare Medicaid expansion. So I I spent all of this time I mean a bunch of us spent all this time 14 people ran for Senate and everything else. This was like the big push. And by the way, this is part of how I was able to raise this kind of money was because

we were saying, listen, New Hampshire can be the beacon of liberty, but we've got to do this by participating at all levels, not just the House, the House, the Senate, the Executive Council, so on and so forth. So, we thought we won. We were celebrating the fact that, you know, I mean, I had a printing press. We had hundreds of volunteers going throughout the state. People were doing door knock. We had all these people elected and we thought we won and our guy was going to be put in as speaker. Well, then all of a sudden Kelly Aayot gets involved and we find out later at the direction of John Cenounu, the father of John Eenounu and basically said in order to protect

Kelly Ayat's reelection, New Hampshire needed to reauthorize Medicaid expansion. So, Kelly Aayat literally endorsed a US senator endorsed in a speaker's race and other people that were tied to this Medicaid expansion and these lobbyists in Washington DC endorsed and actually met with and tried to and pushed out some of the other candidates that were running for speaker to clear the way for this one guy to win so that he would keep Obamacare Medicaid expansion. Well, I said, 'Listen, if you guys are going to do this, because my motto here is screw DC, save New Hampshire. Well, if if that's our plan and we're focusing on New Hampshire, but we find out that these

federal politicians are going to put in place multibillion dollar entitlement programs that tether us to the federal government. That is an existential threat to liberty, to the Free State Project, and everything that we're trying to do. So, I said, I'm if you do this, if you reauthorize this, if you interfere with this speaker's race to benefit this person politically, then I'm not going to run in primaries because you can't win. These primaries are rigged, and that's a whole other thing. But I know enough to know I could run a slate of third party candidates, independent candidates, and I could cost you all of your federal races. In fact, I did a Breitbart interview and I said, "If they

do this, I'm going to cost Republicans control the United States Senate. I met with the chair of the NHGOP, talked to a former uh governor, Republican governor of New Hampshire. I talked to all of the candidates running for federal office, did multiple interviews, talked to people all over the state. Everybody knew what was going on. But at the time, like the chair of the NHGOP, she spent like two and a half hours with me at uh at at at Panera Bread, and she's like, "Well, you know, nobody believes you're going to do this, and if you do do this, uh it won't be successful." and you know and but if you do do it, you know, you'll never be welcome back in the Republican party or

whatever. And I did it anyway. Now, I want to say this. I was never supposed to be the candidate. In fact, we started collecting signatures for somebody else. I The only reason I became the candidate is no one else would do it for this US Senate seat. So, Kelly lost by 1100 votes. I got 18,000 votes. There was also a Libertarian in the race. And so there's been analysis and articles written about this. It is very clear and everybody I think in New Hampshire knows including Kelly Aayat and everyone else. I cost her the seat. It was the most expensive Senate race ever per capita in the history of the United States. $99 was spent per New Hampshire voter.

So those were the stakes. But it wasn't just remember I said I was going to cost them all of the seats. So I we ran somebody for both congressional districts as well and they were the margin of victory for those seats as well. And so as a result of this, not only did they lose the most expensive US Senate race per capita, the Republicans for the first time since 1854 had no representation in the United States Congress. So So when I'm saying that this can work, it can work. I mean, and it can work. And people hated this. People didn't take it seriously. People didn't understand billionaire hedge fund

managers that funded the packs that funded AOT have threatened me with I've been threatened with physical violence. I I had a lawsuit because of it. And by the way, I ended I exited politics in in part because rather than embracing the fact, you know, it would be a lot different if the if the Free State Project and when I say the Free Free State Project 501c3, it's not the the Free State Project would never do this. they would never talk about things. But if the Free State movement would say, "Hey, you know, uh, we're winning all of these House races, and by the way, we've realized we can leverage strategically these third party races to push our agenda, or at least if not

to push our agenda, to block DC, to stop the behavior of federal politicians interfering with what we're trying to do at the state level." In my opinion, if that were being done, people would look at that and say, "Wow, they're doing some pretty creative things here. These guys are thinking outside of the box. They're thinking about, yes, we can we can be successful within the state, but we can also, you know, we can't fix Washington DC, but we can minimize its impact on New Hampshire." But that's not what's happened. So, the revisionist histories come in and, you know, then people make up different stories about half a lot of these people voted for me. a lot of

these people that are now elected uh and everything else and supporting these people actually voted for me and you know sent me pictures of their ballot and everything else. I'm not going to reveal any of that. Uh but but at the same time this can be done. So now at this point in time 5050 Senate, this is the race. Miriam Adlesen's putting money to it. I'm I'm going to put my name on the ballot. I'm going to actually uh sign sign up next week officially. So, I'm going to go down to Conquered and and uh declare my intent. The way this works is I'm running as an independent, so I'm not participating in the primary. What I have to do is collect signatures, 3,000 signatures, 1500 from each of the

uh congressional districts, which I've done before, um it's quite quite a process. And I, you know, as we go through this, depending on how far we have to go through this, I'm going to document all of it, including I'm going to show you the tactics that they're using. I know how all this works. I ran a pack. I We've run all this stuff. I I know how all of the inside stuff works. And I tell people that that because I they got into an argument with somebody today where people like, "Well, the most important thing is election integrity." Election integrity is irrelevant once you realize that these elections are run from the top down using AI and big data. They can get anybody elected. It's it's

propaganda and big data and AI that drives voter turnout. And I well I'm going to go into all that here, but bottom line is what I'm saying now is that oh here's the deal. So we have this window of time between now and August the 5th for me to collect the signatures. Now once I collect the signatures, once I turn in the signatures, once those signatures are validated and my name officially goes on the ballot, I can't take it off. So and let me be clear what my goal in all of this is is to be is I want to push liberty. Um, and and if you have listened to this podcast, you know I believe in parallel systems and I believe in alternative currencies and alternative systems for everything. And

the reason I've become so adamant about this crypto political prisoner issue is these are the people that were building the parallel systems. These were the people that were ahead of the curve here. So like I don't think if you haven't been around this, you don't know how big the vacuum is of these people not of either being in a cage or not being able to speak or not developing software. I mean Ian Freeman, you know, over two decades on the air between, you know, Mark and Ian with Free Talk Live, they probably brought more people to the Free State Project, hands down, than any other channel or mechanism, including me. On top of that, it was the first radio

show ever to talk about Bitcoin on the air. And then what did Ian do? Ian ran a bunch of ATMs. He would go and and promote and get point of sale systems installed throughout the state, throughout the region. And New Hampshire was and maybe still is, but was the high had the highest per capita usage of cryptocurrency anywhere in the world. That was definitely the case back then. I used the first ever crypto ATM in I believe 2013 at a Liberty Forum event when the thing was still a prototype and the thing was like on its side on the table and like putting the dollar bill in there. This stuff was ground zero. So the impact that Ian had and then Roger Ver heard about Bitcoin from free talk

live. So then now you go on and on and on down the list and you look at Kone Rodriguez and William Hill and Roman Storm. What are these guys doing? They're developing, they're open- source developers creating tools that solve, frankly, one of the weaknesses that we have with just, you know, straight up Bitcoin and Ethereum as transparent ledgers, which is privacy. That's where they're being targeted. So, to me, this is critical for our ability. We have to protect the people that are the innovators. Like I don't want to go like it it seems I'm going to go around talk about you know well let's push these political prison or excuse me push these parallel systems while the people

that created them rot in cages. This is critical to defend these people and it's not only critical because it's a it's a grave injustice but on top of that they want it to have a chilling effect and it has had a chilling effect. So I say two things one everything we can do to free these people but then also don't be frightened by this. use cryptocurrencies for peer-to-peer commerce, use privacy tools, and again, this stuff isn't even illegal. What are we trying to do yet? You know, if I understand maybe how some people, most people are again far removed from this. If you've never dealt with courts or you've never dealt with this and and you believe the propaganda

that you learned in school about government, I can see how people would have no idea. But to be honest with you, after co I don't see how anybody could look at this and say, "Oh, well, privacy is just for, you know, for criminals. after they came in and and shut down businesses and determined who was essential and who was not essential and froze bank accounts for people and froze Canadian truckers and forced mandates. There is no one that was, you know, born after, you know, 2020 or or before 2020 that should have any false belief that the government is acting in the spirit of our founding documents or in any way following our

constitution. And no one should ever think that privacy is something only for criminals. Privacy is a fundamental right and frankly it's something that we absolutely need at this point. So my deal is at a high level. He should free the polit crypto political prisoners. By the way, I'm going to go back and say in 2016, what was I doing? This was not a niche. I was saying that the Republican party throughout the entire state was unified in opposition of Obamacare and all forms, including Medicaid expansion. and you have a sitting US senator interfering with state a state race to perpetuate a federal government entitlement. So this was not a small deal nor was it a pet

project or a pet issue. This was about holding people accountable to what they said they were going to do on big important issues. and and now you know these issues here I think these crypto prison political prisoners are critical to free speech they're critical to voluntary trade and they're critical to privacy and this is fundamental for everyone and in the context of CBDC's and backdoor CBDC's through stable coins and the Clarity Act and AI surveillance we need this no one is protecting our rights they're trampling on our rights. These people need to be free. We need to fire Howard Lutnik. And I've talked about that on multiple ep episodes even

before, by the way, uh the Epstein files. I was talking about Howard Lutnik and what he was doing with Tether and how it is a level of corruption that is frankly unprecedented. You're watching the creature from Epstein's Island play out in real time. This guy has been a major player uh in that. And now we know explicitly how bad this is. And we're not even just talk. We're talking about Tether. We're talking about these other things. Howard Lutnik has is if this bill passes in the Senate will have as commerce secretary the ability to stip and shoot down any state-based laws regarding AI. Uh his family has monetized uh you know basically shorting uh betting on the reversal of the tariff

legislation which was written by Lutnik. I mean this is just outrageous. The third is kill the Clarity Act. Okay, the Clarity Act is the biggest surveillance bill in the history of the United States. And if you've unless you've heard about it from me and maybe Katherine Austin Fitz or a couple of other people, all you've heard about it is, "Oh, this is a great crypto bill and trillions of dollars going to come in." No. Every crypto transaction and then every asset that you own that's not crypto. Your stocks, your bonds, and everything else are going to be tokenized in a way that can be tracked, programmed, and censored. And literally in the bill, all of your transactions

will be tracked in real time for everything that you own, that information will be retained for 5 years, shared with multiple departments of the federal government, and shared with foreign central banks. It is the largest surveillance bill in the history of the United States. That needs to be killed. And then last, end the draft. I mean, again, um, you know, the whole concept here is the these are the fact that this is even going on, the fact that we're talking about the draft, the fact that we're in Iran, this is completely counter to what Trump ran on and why he want why he won. So this so this is essentially the deal. And again, look, it's the art of the deal. It's a

negotiation. So, you know, um, you know, we we'll see we we'll see what we can do with this. But to me, these are the big big four points. And if and if you know these all these four are met or key components of these are met, then I will drop out of the race. I will not get the signatures. I'll get off of the ballot. And in the end, what we get if you're in New Hampshire is we've actually gotten something tangible here. We've actually done something good leveraging a federal government race. And then whatever the outcome is, you know, if one of the other two wins, it doesn't matter which one of these two win. They're horrible for New Hampshire. They're horrible for

the furtherance of technocracy. I would argue Cenounu is even even worse. But nevertheless, I'll drop out of the race. I think that this is a compelling strategy and I think the fact that I've proven that I can do it and that it can work, um, I think this is a good idea and this is what this campaign is about. So that I want, you know, I' I've tried to to get at this a couple of different different ways, but um you know, it's heartbreaking for me. Again, the more and more of these I'm going to play the Joby Weeks interview, but I mean, this is just disgusting what is what is happening. These are all they're al they're nice people, too. I mean, it's not even just, you know, that

they're not doing anything illegal and that they're actually, you know, heroic in their their efforts. They're nice people that uh several of them have young kids. Several of them want uh to start families and they're at that critical age where actually the jail sentences might impede whether or not they can even have children. I mean, you know, this is just uh a horrendous miscarriage of justice. So, these are the key elements and I encourage you to go to day2026.com and sign up. There's a form on there you can uh sign up to help collect signatures uh or just you know join to get information about the campaign and I am raising money but this isn't one of

these like I'm trying to raise as much money as possible. I'm trying to be judicious about how to use how to use you know the money. So the the biggest cost item if if you know if our volunteer efforts to collect signatures come up short then I have a game plan where you know you can pay petitioners to get the signatures and this is something that was done before. So that'll be a big cost item. And as you might expect I do not have a bank account nor will I have a bank account uh for this campaign. So, I'm taking donations only in crypto and you can find that as well on the donate uh page at day2026.com. And I'm taking, you know, Zeno, Freedom Dollar, Monero, Zcash. I am taking Bitcoin,

Ethereum, and some others. The the one co I I refuse to take Tether uh just on uh on on moral grounds. I am going to convert everything to um freedom dollar uh just for it makes it easier for campaign finance purposes and everything else. So I don't want to deal with a lot of complexity around that. So I'm going to convert it to a private stable coin. But I but we are accepting um multiple cryptocurrencies. And as far as how the campaign itself will work, I mean as you know I use AI heavily. In fact, I've uh invested even some more recently in more uh local compute power. And so we have the ability to uh not only do research, but also put out campaign materials in a

variety of different formats that will be epic. Um and and I'll be doing uh most of it myself. So it it's a huge campaign uh asset here. And and again, um, but beyond that, you know, this is something that I learned running these super PACs and everything else. And it's kind of demoralizing. I remember in 2014, we were we were doing polling. We were doing a lot of like robocall polling. And I think something like 7 days out before the Republican primary, 67% of the voters were undecided. So most of these elections, in all honesty, people aren't paying any attention until the very end. So I'm going to be doing mostly a lot of um social media and

digital targeting and then the last two months of the campaign after the primary, I'm going to be uh hitting the pavement and I'm going to go across the state. But what I'm going to do is because I don't want this to dilute from my main message. I don't want this I like what I'm not going to do is say, "Oh, well here's you know why you should vote for me." Most candidates and most of all of this stuff is they collect information about the voters and then they come up with a strategy to tell them tell the voters what they think they want to hear so that they can get elected and then they go and do whatever their real intention or real motivation is. And the evidence

for this is the voting record of Congress and the v the voting record for you know go back over the last 20 or 30 years. I'm not doing any of that. that I'm going to go and do workshops where I I'm talking about the same things that I'm talking about. Talking about technocracy, talking about how uh our rights don't come from Washington DC, showing people how to exit the dollar, how to ditch the dollar, how to ditch the health care system. I'm going to be doing the same thing because I don't want this to be a um I'm trying to do this in a way that that furthers my the mission and uh so I'm not going to be sitting there going out and lying to people and and you know filling out

forms and different pledges for things or whatever. I'm I'm going to state uh the truth that I've been stating for the last three and a half years regarding technocracy. I just view this as a road show and the opportunity to meet with people face to face and again that'll be enough because um you know this race is already looking horrendous and at this point I think with Miriam Adlesen and everything else uh it it's if people can just find out about what's going on here uh people are going to be absolutely appalled by what the CNU campaign is doing and Aden and so forth and that and that will be that but again the point of this is ideally I'm not on the ballot and the four

demands are met and then we can go about our way. So, I wanted to be very clear and because I know people don't understand this. I know that this is way outside of the the zone of what is possible. And I had all kinds of people say, "Oh, he you know, in 2016 he must be a closet dam or I would hear all these different excuses about what the motivation was." But if you actually knew what my political activism was, uh, and the fact that I was going around the state and recruiting all these candidates, raising all this money and bringing awareness and so forth, you if you knew the truth, then but a lot of people know the truth and then want to revise that. And I've

just, you know, I don't even want to weigh in on that because again, I want to focus on warning people about technocracy, showing people how to take action to build these parallel systems, and then to always remember to save uh our our prisoners of war who are are on the front lines and the innovators that have been trying to promote this kind of freedom. So, you know, look, I I hopefully we'll do a Q&A at the end, um, after the Joby weeks interview, but, uh, I did want to let everybody know. And so, now we are moving into the next phase of this. And, um, I just want to make sure and, and by the way, I I have every reason to believe that the administration and

everybody knows what's going on here. Meaning, you know, CNU knows, Scott Brown knows, the the relevant, you know, players know. You're going to see a lot of propaganda and people that are pushing some different narrative that that actually know better and are still trying to go along with this. Well, gee, you know, he might be a technocrat and he might be funded by Miriam Aden, but we sure need to have a Republican there so that, you know, free stator will move here. I there there are people that are pushing that insane short-sighted strategy, and it is what it is. But um uh I'm going to you know remain you know focused on on the message here and please share my content. Um I'm going to

be doing a lot more media interviews as well. I've got a lot of stuff already lined up. Um and I I do know even the political press now is interested in this in New Hampshire. And so uh you know again I'm hoping we have a good resolution. And and the one thing I will say about Trump is you know it's it's the bad part of it and it's the good part of it. He is transactional. he will do deals, right? I mean, this, you know, you could argue this is some some of the stuff that he's done is is self-interested and and you know, is it America first or is it not? In in this instance, I I'm not worried about the rightness of the cause, the rightness of the causes. All I'm trying to do is hold

people accountable for what they said they were going to do on what are the most important issues. So, um, that's all I have to say about about that. But but this is I would hope by the way and I hope to not so I I I haven't voted since like 2018 and I so I I always I usually am on here I've done several episodes where I've said you can't vote your way out so on and so forth and I I've gone into detail and it's like here I am again. I don't want to be doing this. I don't want to be doing this now, but no one else will do it, and I don't want to do it in the future. But what I would like to have happen out of this, if I am going to do it, I'm going to make it effective, and

I'm going to focus my attention and do everything I need to do to make this work. But what this campaign has the ability to do is it determines it could determine who controls the US Senate. This can be a direct referendum on what happened in Kentucky with Thomas Massie and Miriam Adlesen. This can put pressure for Trump to prioritize ending the war on crypto. Something that he said he was going to do. But then lastly, and I hope this is the part that doesn't get lost the most, which is there are people that are just like, "Well, we have to shut down third parties entirely because it's a two-party system." No. Let let's be strategic about how a third party can be

used as leverage to either push your agenda within within either of the parties or to hold the parties accountable. I think this is an important strategy for those who believe in voting and who believe in this stuff. then this is an actual nice tool to have in your toolkit because otherwise you're just devolving otherw I mean what people are are willing to accept now terms well it's okay well foreign countries can buy our elections well what are we going to do about it that's just the way that it works no it isn't just the way that it works if you think outside of the box and I've demonstrated that so day2026.com I'm going to pull up this um Joby Week's

interview. Now, it's about an hour long. Before I do that, I you know, I had a takeaway from this. You may there's a great uh 25minut, I think, documentary that Mickey Willis put together who he does great work. He did all the plemic stuff. He actually did the video uh with Roger Ver and uh he did an excellent one on on Joby Weeks. I I have I have an interesting line of inquiry that I discuss in this interview and we'll talk about after that this is a crazy story. Joby Weekes was involved in in something called Bit Club and and this essentially became one of the largest mining Bitcoin mining networks in the world. In fact, between the two different organizations that

Joby Weekes was involved with, at their peak, they controlled 22% of the hash rate of the entire Bitcoin network. They were making $5 million a day. And the government came in, said he was, you know, doing the running operating without registering securities, you know, which was a maximum 5year sentence or whatever. Um, and you'll hear that from the interview. But the part that's interesting is they seized all of the mining equipment. They seized more than a billion dollars worth of crypto, mostly Bitcoin, without even going through the civil forfeite process. And no one knows where the mining equipment went or where the

crypto went. So, I think that uh and I want to investigate this further, but I think that what happened to Joby Weekes was a direct attack, a US state-based attack on Bitcoin mining, and it has nothing to do with unregistered securities or whatever it is that they were talking about because the the fascinating thing about this case is there are no victims. And you can look this up yourself because when I first got this case, I'm like, whoa. Because again, they hit you with these headlines and then your lawyer tells you, "Don't talk about this." So the only thing anybody ever sees is whatever the DOJ puts out in the headline. Well, you see a headline that says, "Oh, it's a 70 722 million Ponzi

scheme." Well, when I heard that, I'm like, "Well, okay, a 7 $722 million Ponzi scheme. There must be tons of victims." So, I go online, I go look through YouTube, Rumble, go through AI, and everything else. Can't find a single victim. Turns out there aren't any victims. So, this is a this is potentially a really big deal. This is potentially attack on mining. And who knows, remember in the Ross Olrich case that, you know, I I think one or two FBI agents actually went to prison because they stole some of the Bitcoin that was seized. Well, we don't even know what's happened to to this and it's over a billion dollars worth of Bitcoin. This is a fascinating story. Uh I encourage

you to go to freejoby.com jy and sign the petition. Again, these petitions, all of these petitions matter. All of these people need to have awareness raised about the case. Uh but with that, I'm going to play the interview and then I will uh come back after for I'm going to talk a little about Ditch the Dollar and then we'll open it up for Q&A. All right, welcome back to the Aaron Day Show. Um unfortunately, we have another crypto prisoner. Uh this is number eight that we're going to be talking to today, Joby Weekes. And these stories just get more and more bizarre every time we do one of these interviews. And you know, we've identified a lot of common themes

across how the DOJ operates in these cases. But this one is is even more bizarre because this is the one case where the government announced a $722 million fraud, held a man 11 months in a pandemic, extracted a non-ooperation plea, and then wrote on its own docket that it can't take the case to trial because it has no victims. So, this is a truly victimless, bizarre situation and prosecutors don't want to prosecute. So, you're in we're in for a wild one here that just kind of adds all new color and all dimensions to what's going on. So, we have today uh Joby Weeks. Hey, Joby. How are you? >> Thanks. >> Thanks for having >> Excellent. Um so, I I guess you know, as

we talked about before, I I always assume with these things and what I've learned over time is that you most people really don't know how the judicial system works. they actually uh if they've never interacted with it, they still have this uh kind of naive idealistic view of how it works. And so I found with these things, it's always the best to kind of walk through at a really high level, basic level, what is what are the what are you who are you? What is your background and kind of what's the human story and the human element to it and then talk about at a really high level what what the case is all about. >> Sure. >> Sure. Well, process say that you get indicted, then

you get arrested, then you get bail, then you get a trial, and if you're convicted after trial, then you go to jail. But they don't do that here in this country anymore. What they do is they kidnap you, they deny you bail, they deny you a trial, and then they torture you for a year or two until you capitulate. and they come to you and say, "Hey, eventually we got to give you a trial, but um you know, if you fight us, you're looking at 20 years, but if you sign this piece of paper, you know, a false plea agreement, uh then we'll let you go home tomorrow." And so that's what happened with me is uh you know, after 11 months of being bounced from jail to jail to jail to jail and state

to state to state to state, they call it diesel therapy. Uh they finally uh sit you down and they say, "You know what? Would you rather be?" My attorneys said to me, "What would you rather be? Five years in jail and eventually found innocent or one year in jail and guilty?" And I thought, "What what are you what are you talking about?" I'm like, "They have to give me bail. It's in the Constitution." And they're like, "Well, they're not going to give you bail because um you know, they say you're a flight risk." And then I'm like, "Well, then they have to give me a trial. It's in the Constitution." Oh, well, they figured out a loophole around that. What they do is they call it a

complex case and then the judge makes an ends of justice ruling so that they can wave your speedy trial rights, too. I'm like, well, if they're not going to give me a trial, they got to give me bail. If they got going to give me bail, they got to give me a trial. They can't just deny me both. But that's what they do in this country. Good old USSA. And um you know that's a shame, but this is how the uh Department of Justice has a 97 success rate, 97% success rate on convictions is because they break the law and they don't follow the Constitution or their oath of office and they cheat. And nobody likes cheater. Nobody respects a cheater. And um with my particular case, I've now been

sitting here waiting for a trial for almost seven years. It's been two 2019 I was arrested. I still have this ankle bracelet on. I can't go anywhere or do anything or have a job or a phone or a computer or a bank account or use crypto. I have to have a guard watch over me 247. I can't go to church or weddings or funerals. It's crazy. And the government has requested and been granted 35 continuances. We've gone through now 12 prosecutors. They're fleeing this like rats on a sinking ship uh because they know that they have no case. What we did was we basically raised $700 million. We used that money to build big data centers, m bitcoin mines they called it,

and uh we mined 92,000 bitcoins and a half million ethereum. We were the biggest mining pool on earth. And instead of getting put on the cover of Time magazine, I got arrested. So it's crazy. So I'm now finally telling the story. Um I guess to begin with, who am I? I'm Joby. I'm I was born in Colorado. Uh my family, you know, we've been here since the beginning. They were officers in the American Revolution. Uh my great-grandfather was Secretary of War under Presidents Harden and Coolage. U his son was Secretary of Commerce under Eisenhower. So, we've been involved and um you know, it's really a shame to see what's happened to our country. It's almost like we've been co-opted by the

banking cartel. If you understand how this works, the the central bank of the world, an IGO, an intergovernmental organization, a sovereign entity called the bank of international settlements, has these member banks, the IMF, the World Bank, the Federal Reserve Bank, the Bank of England, and then they've got the corresponding banks like your Chasees and Wells Fargo and Bank of Americas, and then all the mom and pop banks. This swift system has gone around the world conquering all these countries and it's owned by these families at the top, these trillionaire trusts. I call them the guys in the cloud and they are not happy that three and a half trillion dollars has left their system and gone

into the crypto space. They've gone they've gone and attacked every vertical in the space. They they called it operation choke point. So the guys in the cloud gave Obama orders stop Bitcoin. And of course Obama was like yes sir. And so what did they do? They went after the ATM guys and Ian Freeman. They went after the exchange guys like Mount Gox and you know Charlie uh Shrem with Bit Instant and they went after Roman and the DEX guys and they went after uh you know the the mining chip manufacturers like Butterfly Labs and the mining pools like Bit Club and I was just a vendor. I was uh I was working for a company called Bitfury that made these ASIC chips and I was selling equipment,

computer equipment to an organization called Bit Club. And they bought tens of millions of dollars worth of equipment from me. And I set up all these big data centers. We had one in Iceland and Georgia and Norway and Canada and the biggest one in the world out of Montana. And um you know, I got bundled into a conspiracy and uh it's it's bonkers. I mean, there are no victims. There's no injured party. There's no one withstanding to sue. You know, we turned $700 million into $10 billion. Everybody got rich and like I said, they then they kidnapped you. So I and this is a common story and obviously your story started even a little bit before uh Joe Biden signed executive order 14067 which really

accelerated things because this was one single executive order that authorized a CBDC while also authorizing a whole of government crackdown on crypto. So this is where you had everything from debanking to the FBI to the Treasury Department. I mean and that's when uh when the crunch was was really on. Um but obviously you you're certainly caught up right in the middle of this. Um so you said that the maximum sentence was 5 years and now you are in year seven. So how does that work? >> Well well was lecture I I went to 175 countries right I got up on stage I'm speaking I got millions of people into Bitcoin. We designed the Bitcoin logo and uh created what's called a cold storage coin. So,

we laser etch in the back of the coin the private key so you could actually have a fireproof and floodproof wallet if you will. And um after getting hacked and you know I lost all my Bitcoin on Silk Road uh when they raided the Silk Road and I lost it again on Mount Gox and then I had you helped Vitalic launch Ethereum after Porkfest in 2013 and the Dow hack if you remember the schllocket you know $60 million. So, I've been going through this. We're like, we need to make our own wallets, you know, and and uh so that's what we decided to do. And I was speaking, you know, on stage calling social security a big Ponzi scam and that the world's run by a bunch of devil worshiping, child trafficking

pedophiles. So, I wasn't making any friends in the deep state. And uh in fact me and this guy uh Luke Ridowski of We Are Change and Jeff Berwick from uh The Dollar Vigilante when we heard that Jeff Epstein had um been suicided, let's say. Um we we didn't believe it. So we were in a speedboat and we raided Jeffrey Epstein's island and ran around trying to see if he was still alive or not and filmed it. Got two million views or so and then I was arrested right after that one. So I had I think it has a little bit something more to do with uh they don't like the competition. Uh yes uh my max sentence for selling an unregistered security they want to say that computer equipment is a security um

is five years max. I mean it's a civil title 15 is civil. They usually slap you on the wrist wrist and fine you or whatever. So the max I could go to jail is five years. I've been sitting here since 2019. Haven't been sentenced convicted. No trial. It's like I don't know how long they could keep you in purgatory for. I was quiet. I didn't do any interviews, no podcast for five years. My attorneys were like, "You need to just let us handle it." I had David Boy, you know, he the Yale law schools named after the guy, you know, I figured this is deep state lawfare from the Biden regime, so I should hire a Democrat operative. I the guy Hunter Biden worked for him for 10 years. And

that didn't work. So then I hired Alan Derswitz, another deep state guy. I'm like, you know, but he's on team Trump, you know, he defended Trump and he wrote a great crypto white paper for me that is on the docket. Um, but the problem is all these judges, they're appointed by Obama in the district of New Jersey and they went venue shopping to find one that they could, you know, I mean, I didn't live in New Jersey, didn't do business in Jersey. I don't even know I'm even in New Jersey, but you saw what happened in New Jersey. I mean, it's run by the mafia. I mean, the Trump tried to put Alina Haba in, but the the the Senate wouldn't confirm her. And so then

the judges got together, put somebody else, and then Pam Bondi came in and fired that person, put Alina back in, and then they the judges were all up in arms. What are you doing? That's unconstitutional. You can't do that. I'm like, like, you guys should talk. I mean, these judges violate the Constitution on a daily basis, you know? So, basically, New Jersey, it's organized crime, and I'm sitting here, you know, dealing with it. I don't know how long this is going to last. I just hired on Peter Tictton who's one of Trump's attorneys. Um he's been friends with him since they were 15 years old, 65 years. They went to military school together. And so he submitted the pardon

application as well with Ed Martin who's the pardon attorney and Alice Johnson, the pardon zar and the White House council guy. So I'm hoping to come uh the 4th of July supposedly 250 pardons are happening and these crypto prisoners like myself can finally be free. I mean this was back 2019 there was no Goldman Sachs, no Black Rockck, there was no strategic Bitcoin reserve. Uh they were coming out pretty hostile to it and uh and can you blame them? I mean when you have the ability to create all this money out of nothing. I mean if you if you read the Constitution, it's very clear gold and silver is lawful money. But we have these dollars that are not backed by gold and silver. They spring

into existence out of debt. They're backed by bonds, backed by birth certificates, backed by the government's ability to tax us. So, they're hypothecating humans. They use us as the collateral for this debt. And if we actually ever did pay off the debt, there wouldn't be a dollar left circulating anywhere in the economy. And yet, we would still owe all the interest. You can't pay principal plus interest if only principle exists. It's a mathematical impossibility. It's like a game of musical chairs. You got 12 people going after 10 chairs. And so when you have that ability, like you said, when Biden took over with that executive order, in 2020, Biden created

$6 trillion out of nothing. Now, if you take the average American worker who makes $60,000 a year, and you divide that by six trillion, you got a hundred million years. Now, the average worker only works from 20 to 70, call it 50 years of work. That divided by a 100 million is two million people. They literally wiped out the lifetime productivity of two million people in one year. Of course, they're going to come out against any competition. You know, Ron Paul has a great saying, don't steal. The government hates competition. And so, you know, that's just kind of where I found myself in. And that's why I embrace Bitcoin. It doesn't spring into existence out of debt. It's energy.

That's why gold and silver is money is because it's energy. At the end of the day, it takes energy to create a nice, beautiful gold coin. You got to mine it. You got to refine it. you got to stamp it. You know, takes a data center. Takes electricity to create a Bitcoin. That's why it's money is because at the end of the day, that's what we're trading is energy. And so, you know, these guys have conquered our our country. And I think Bitcoin can really help us restore the republic and take the power back, you know, peer-to-peer. I mean, we can send value across the internet instantaneously without having to go through a trusted third party. I think this is a great invention and I think

the whole world uh will embrace it. you know, and and they tried to stop it, but you can't stop math. So, of course, the next tier down are these are the miners, the guys that secure the blockchain. And so, that's why we got targeted is we were the biggest mining pool and I was kind of the face of it going and speaking at all the conferences. So, there's a probably a couple things I shouldn't have said, but I just said because, you know, I speak the truth, but you know, truth is treason in the empire of lies and it's very dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Well, I mean, this is a, you know, I don't we don't necessarily need to go into this, but I I've talked a lot about

the the hijacking of of of Bitcoin in a variety of of different >> and well, I had Roger on, but I've also written about it as well with some of the ties to Epstein and everything else. And and actually, so you are kind of at the focal point of this. So, you are a uh unwitting uh involuntary contributor to the Bitcoin strategic reserve. Half of that is >> so it back. >> Yeah. So I I think it's important for people to know this. I mean if you look at this Bitcoin strategic reserve quote as it stands right now, I mean this is this is it's largely been confiscated from people who haven't been convicted of crimes. Like this is this is actually what's going on.

>> Takings clause. You you can't steal people's stuff without due process, but they do it all the time. It's crazy that they're allowed to get away with this stuff. And um you know I I'm not certain what we what we need to do. It's like it's like nobody's holding these people accountable account. >> It's crazy. >> No, no one's holding these people accountable. This is where I think where I mean I think a lot of us are moving towards is the idea that privacy is is actually critical um with with crypto. I think one of the problems is I mean Bitcoin can't be technically seized but certainly if they come to you and they say hey look we've identified that these

are your Bitcoin either turn them over or you know you're not going to get out of prison. So far people have have turned over over the Bitcoin. So I but but clearly Bitcoin was a threat and they're at various levels of trying to capture it. So how much hash power like how large was this mining pool at its peak? Well, Bitfury controlled 11% of the global hashing power and Bit Club controlled another 11%. So, between the two of us, um, 22% of the global hashing power. And interesting is Bitfury, the company I was an owner of, uh, spun off two companies. One was called Cipher and one was called Hut8. Those are both billion-dollar unicorns, publicly traded. Hut 8 actually partnered with

Eric Trump to create the American Bitcoin Company. They went public. So, if you go into Eric Trump's data center, it's completely filled with HUD equipment. That's equipment that from a company I I was the seed investor for. It's like help crazy, right? >> Wow. I mean, no, this is this is beyond this is beyond crazy. So, I mean, you know, and you do almost wonder at some point. I mean, there's on the one hand, there was part of it. I I think that the the Biden and uh Obama regimes wanted to to stop it, and I think maybe later groups wanted to capture it. I I I really do think that there's been kind of a I mean the net effect is the same because when I started you know talking

about crypto prisoners I mean the first there was obviously Ross and I met Lynn back in 2014 but then you know Ian Freeman who who I've known for 20 years and and you know it was a couple of people and now it's it's more like it's not going away. It's not the war on crypto is not over. If anything it's actually expanded. So, 000 uh pardon applications that I mean the lawfare has been crazy. So, you know, if they don't put the AI on scanning through all these people that need pardons, it's going to take them like 200 years to pardon all these people. It's like it's like one good thing for AI, you could go through the pardons a little faster, guys. You know,

so I don't know. I mean, you know, I I I did fundraisers for Ross, you know. I, you know, was a big fan of, um, you know, Wikileaks and Julian Assange and Ed Snowden and all these people that were all debanked and deplatformed and and so, of course, I became a target, too. I guess you say all my heroes have FBI files. You know, Martin Luther King and Gandhi and everybody else. If you don't have an FBI file, you're probably not doing anything important. So, you know, and that's, you know, what I like about you, Erin, and and you've been around, you know, up in New Hampshire and Porcupine Festival and and Ian Freriedman. I he's I we got into Bitcoin before it was 85 cents back then, you

know, and when we hers and hot dogs there at Porcupine Festival and and man, it's cool to see what it's become. But yeah, you're right. Privacy is what everybody's shifting towards. Zcash has their, you know, their shielded transactions and Monero and Zeno and all these uh other coins. Remember the pirate coin. Is that still going? I don't know. >> Yeah, pir pirate chain r a r that's still going. And uh and actually you can make your bitcoin private now uh through zeno. Bitcoin.com wallet, you can you can make it >> make it private. So yeah, there's I I I'm still bullish I'm bullish on crypto, but but what I'm worried about is that we have CBDC's and then government

regulated stable coins, which are backdoor CBDC's. Uh and a lot of people still don't understand the difference. So like we need to get back to peer-to-peer C. We need to get back to that original ethos that because you were there at the beginning of as well where these conferences were all about, yeah, you know, screw the Federal Reserve and, you know, this was coming off of the 2008 financial collapse and everybody both sides of the aisle were were uh frustrated with with Wall Street and the Federal Reserve and >> Bitcoin I was a I was a regional currency officer for Liberty Dollar and we were minting gold and silver coins. Back then, silver was four bucks an

ounce and uh we minted hundreds of millions of dollars and pumped it all the way to $49 an ounce is the second most popular currency in the country. And then we decided to put Ron Paul's face on the coin and oh, they didn't like that. I mean, there's Gandhi coins, there's MLK coins, why can't we have Ron Paul's face on the coin? But, you know, we minted 60,000 of those and did the Ron Paul blimp and the Ron Paul limo. I took that to 30 states in all the debates and we had about 20,000 merchants accepting our money for their goods and services and and so it was going great until the feds came in with machine guns and stole all the silver and gold too. So, you know, they've been

fighting, you know, I've been fight kind of fighting the the status quo for about 30 years, uh, trying to, you know, restore the republic and bring to the marketplace things that free humanity and and, uh, it's a shame that, um, you know, there's very powerful special interests out there that just want to enslave everybody. They want to CBDC everybody in social, microchip, and vaccinate, and just kill everybody really. I mean, these people are evil, man. So, it's always been like that battle between good and evil. And um how I basically sit here on house arrest for so long is I I've learned how to meditate and ground and release and uh forgive and surrender, right? And and

you stay happy and grateful and thankful because I try to keep my situation from a point of how it could always be worse. I'm in jail, but at least it's not a Mexican jail, you know? I saw I saw a uh an anaconda or like a bulk constrictor python snake and it latched on and bit this guy in the nuts and I I wrote my wife and I said, "Well, it could always be worse, you know. I at least I don't have a bulk constrictor chomping on my balls right now." So, you know, and and so it's it's this is just a spiritual game, you know, and and we got to stay up tone. So, that's what I'm trying. I'm sure it's not it's not difficult or it is difficult to do that in jail. You know, I feel for guys

like Ian that are still there. And you know, when I was laying there in jail getting bounced around, they kept the air conditioning blowing on me, you know, uh all night long and they wouldn't turn the lights off. So, I'm laying there and I'm thinking, well, I made it through Antarctica. The sun never set in Antarctica. It's freezing cold down there, too. Okay, I I got this. I can make it through this. You know, uh, one time they let let us left us in the back of this, uh, van all chained up. It's we're wearing t-shirts, you know, and we had just come back from court and the guys, the police officers just left me and my friend in this box. It freezing cold. It's like 10, 11

o'clock at night. Went back into the jail and just left us sitting there in the dark, chained to this thing, no heat for hours. They they lost us. But when they finally remembered, they left us in the back of the the van and uh put let us go back into jail. Everybody's like, "Where have you been?" I'm like, "Dude, they locked us in the freaking van in the parking lot." I mean, they do crazy shit to people. I I don't know if people are aware, but if they got to drive you from New York City to Newark. It's a half hour drive. You just got to drive across the bridge. What they do is they send you to Chicago first, check you into a jail, check you out, then to to

Seattle, check you in, check you out. then San Francisco, then LA, then Vegas, then Dallas and Houston and New Orleans, you loop Florida, and 11 months later you finally get to Newark. A half hour drive. It's called diesel therapy. Look it up. They do this in our country right now. It's freaking crazy. They're satisi they're sati sadistic people. >> So, is this a standard practice this diesel therapy? >> Pretty standard. the guy that was actually put under the bus. You know where they have the baggage carriage. He wasn't even allowed out of seat. He was diesel therapy in the the baggage carriage of the bus below the bus. I mean there these people are evil, man.

There's they're totally evil. I don't know what we're supposed to do about it. Um but that's why sunlight is the best disinfectant and that's why I decided I'm just going to start telling the story and doing the podcast. They're trying to throw me in jail still, you know. U June 24th is another hearing. So, I appreciate your lots and prayers, guys. >> Well, so so what is this hearing about? Where is the hearing? Do you want Do you want people to show up and and what is >> Yeah, it's in Newark, New Jersey. Uh 50 it about? Walnut Street. It's they've had like four 30 of these hearings that they just keep delaying and pushing out and then in between they're they try to bail

violate me, revoke my bail, uh because I'm not allowed to do interviews. I'm not allowed to be on the internet and so they're always trying to uh throw me in jail. But luckily the magistrate knows that the government's full of shit. So he never lets them throw me in jail. So they'll submit all this paperwork. We need to revoke his bail, your honor. And he's like, "You guys have no case. You guys can't even find a victim. You have no witnesses. You guys can't go. I mean, look at what happened with Puff Daddy and Sam Bankman Freed and all these guys. They they get indicted. They get arrested. They get deported. They get imported or extradited, whatever the

word is. Then they get their trial. They get convicted. They get sentenced. And they're in jail. This has I've been dealing with this since before COVID, before January 6. It's fucking retarded. Sorry for the French. >> Well, yeah, this it it so I downloaded all of the legal documents and I went through all the legal documents and you know when somebody brought me this because I unfortunately this happens all the time. So it's like all right, well I want to look at this and see and you know going through the documents it's just it >> there's 7,000 pages. There's nothing like this. I mean it just you go through this there's no like oh well you know if you listen to what Joby's saying he's

saying well that's one side of the story. It's like now if you go through these legal documents that no no one shows up. All the prosecutors are gone on the other side. All you have just this constant stream of continuous uh continuations and legal paperwork shuffling through the case. >> These guys are criminals. It's organized crime and it's out of New Jersey, which if you watch any of the mafia movies, you know the mafia runs New Jersey. I mean, my friend Ernesto, I don't know if you ever met him, we had an ATM business in New Jersey, and there was that Bit License in New York City, so nobody wanted to do any kind of Bitcoin stuff there. My friend Nick Spanos had uh the

first uh you know, Bitcoin uh exchange, whatever, stock market thing there, right next to the New York Stock Exchange. That was fun. But everybody got pushed out of New York. So, all of New York would drive across the bridge, turn their cash into crypto and stuff. So, we had these ATMs. So my buddy Ernesto walks to the ATM one night to empty the cash. And he's followed by these police officers. He's like, "Great. I got cops around me. I'm going to be walking out with a bunch of cash. I don't have anything to worry about. Some stickup kid coming to rob me." Gets the cash out of the ATM. Turns around. THE COPS ARE THERE STICKING THEM UP. THEY LITERALLY ROBBED HIM. $300,000. THE POLICE. So

it's like, this is who I'm dealing with, guys. I don't know. Go to freejobby.com. help pass that Mickey Willis video. He did like a 20 25 uh minute video um that explains the whole story and just make it go viral. Give it to send it to people that are powerful. Send it to someone that knows Trump. Uh this needs to end. Not just for me, but for everybody else that's that's dealing with this kind of lawfare. It's gone on long enough. I've got two kids, man. I got a daughter who's seven. She's only ever known me on house arrest. I have a a son who's 11 months old now. It's it's really bad for the the kids and they're they're creating a lot of damage. >> Yeah. I mean I I can't even imagine

this. Um so I one so in this case so one one thing that I found interesting about this is this isn't a typical situation. You know usually it's like somebody shows up with 30 or 40 uh you know uh armed officers and drones and everything else. But this is a case where you didn't hide from the FBI or you weren't even just like sitting stationary. You actually went to the FBI first on on something, didn't you? >> Yeah. So, >> what happened was um I got SIM swapped. If you type up Joby week's New York Times um SIM swap, there's a way hackers would like hack into AT&T and T-Mobile and they would steal your your phone number from the telco and then they would go to all your accounts like

Google or Facebook or whatever, which you can't set up a Google or Facebook account without a phone number because if you click forgot password, it's it texts you a code to your phone number and you can get back into your account. Well, you know, this is before Google authenticator. You know, they uh they stole my phone number. So then they hacked me and got my codes and got into my account, stole like $50 million. So I go to the FBI and I'm like, "Hey, this is why you guys exist, you know, is to catch bad guys. I was hacked." And my mom, dad, my wife, my family, my friends, um, Brock Pierce and Michael Terrapin and all my friends, you know, we all got hacked. And so, uh, what

happened was, um, the FBI, obviously they're good for nothing. They did absolutely nothing for it. So, I hired my own team of these um like hacker guys that, you know, their intelligence, you know, I was building my own little white hat hacker team to go catch, you know, the guys that lock up hospitals with ransomware and stuff. They were giving Bitcoin a bad rap. And uh I hired them and they found my hacker in the Philippines. It was like a lady boy tranny hacker, you know, and uh found out the casino he she is laundering the money through and where he lives and all that stuff. So, I I get this dossier and a silver pl platter. I go back to the FBI. They do nothing. The Philippine FBI

does nothing. I even paid them an extra 5,000 bucks to put it at the top of their stack of all the stuff they're trying to go through. They do nothing. So, I find I tr track the Bitcoin coin analysis to um a wallet with over a billion dollars in it. I'm thinking, "Oh, this has to be a state protected hacker, obviously." So, I think they were hacking me through this tranny, right? So, I think to myself, well, this is so dumb. Like, I I've already had my money stolen from me so many times, and I was bitching to Roger about um you know, why Americans can't ever join any great opportunities. It's like every Bitcoin company was like, "Everyone could join except for Iranians, North

Koreans, and Americans." And I'm like, "What the heck?" So, Roger's like, "Well, why don't you just buy a house in St. Kits and then you can get a St. Kits passport and then you can uh join all the opportunities as a St. petition and I'm like, "Oh, that's a good idea." So, I got out of St. Kits. I buy a house. Passports show up. My wife's is there, but mine isn't there. I call the lawyers. I'm like, "Where's my passport?" And they're like, "Well, how do we how do we put this this way?" Oh, there's there's an investigation going on on you. And until that's over, um we uh we can't give you a passport. So, I'm like, "An investigation?" So, I call my CIA guys and I'm like, "Is this true?

Are they investigating me?" And they called me back a couple days later. like, "Yeah, some guys at the Treasury are investigating you." I'm like, "Okay, well, set up a meeting." So, I set up a meeting with these Treasury guys at the Ritz Carlton in Washington DC. I go down, I meet with them, talk with them for about an hour. They want to know about Bit Club. I'm like, "Yeah, I'm a I'm a vendor selling them equipment. I don't own Bit Club, run Bit Club. I don't I didn't set it up or anything. I was just selling them equipment." And um so I'm like, "Yeah, they're mining Bitcoin. How do I know?" Because I'm the one that sells them the equipment and set up the data centers. Here's the

pictures. here's the contracts, all that stuff. So, after an hour, the the the investigation, I think, is over. So, I go back down to St. Kits and I try to get my passport again. They're like, "No, the investigation is still going on." And at the time, my daughter was born and I wanted to make her the most traveled baby in the world. So, we took her to all 50 states in 42 days at 43 days old. And by her first birth birthday, she had 45 countries. So, we were bouncing around, traveling quite a lot. And I get a phone call that the data center's been raided in Toblisi, Georgia on the other side of the world. So I'm like, "What?" So I call the agents. I still had their phone number,

their business card. Did you just raid the data center? And they're like, "Yeah." I'm like, "Why?" And they're like, "Well, no, no, no. We have some more questions." I'm like, "Okay, well, I got answers. I I'm going to be at Tony Robbins Date with Destiny in West Palm Beach. I got extra tickets. You guys want to come? we get raw Tony Robbins and then at lunchtime I can answer your questions and whatever and they're like sure we'll meet you at Date with Destiny. So I got to date with Destiny. I got the juices, the smoothies and we're all I'm all ready for Tony Robin. I mean there's a $5,000 tickets, you know, and they surround me, you know, Marshalls, IRS, FBI. I mean it was like

I was El Chapo, you know, and they take me to this um this uh unmarked building. They don't even take me to jail. I for six hours they're trying to hustle me for my private keys. I'm thinking I'm gonna go to Gitmo. I'm like, "Oh god." I'm like, "I get to see a judge. I get to see a lawyer. I get I have a right to go to jail. You guys can't keep me in this building." And I wouldn't give them the keys because I'm like, "If you guys are really cops, I have to like get bail. I have to pay pay for a lawyer. Like I can't give you all my crypto." And that's why they got kind of pissed because then they just that's when they diesel therapied me. So my family didn't

even know where I was for 11 months, man. Well, did didn't they also raid your parents' house? >> Yeah. Yeah. They kicked my parents' doors. They Dude, they were So, I'm a part of a a fivep person conspiracy, right? So, Matt and Russ, they started Bit Club and then Caitlin ran the computer and this guy Joe, he was like the first guy that's in the tree. Bit club had a referral thing where you could uh sell equipment and make money by selling computer hardware. You get commissions and stuff. So, long short, um, and then then me, I'm the the vendor. I didn't even hear about Bit Club until it had been going on for about 16 months and I, you know, I joined as a happy member and then I

started selling them computer equipment. So, they bundled me into this conspiracy. Yeah. So, they raided all of us. And I'm not the only one. The rest of the Bit Club crew, they're all on house arrest, too. I'm just the one making a big stink out of it. They're none of them have done any podcast or anything. They're just sitting there. I mean, this is just this is just absolutely insane. Well, so actually, I want to go back to So, they they have your your Bitcoin or your crypto, but did they even do, you know, civil asset forfeite proceedings? Like, did this even go through that level? Like, this seems like it's not not even that. >> They're going to give me my money back.

There is no asset forfeite. They literally it's on the docket. We will return your assets. And they say that every three to six months, and they never ever do. And so I'm like, "Where are the assets?" So I call up the IRS in West Palm. I'm like, "Where are the assets?" I don't know. Call the Marshals. I call the Marshalss in Tampa. They don't know. Call the FBI in Miami. So I call them. They say, "Oh, we sent four boxes to Colorado." Oh, great. I'm getting somewhere. I call Colorado. Oh, we only received one box. I don't know. Call New Jersey. Like what the So nobody knows are we're talking billions of dollars. Like they we had a bill we had big data centers full of equip who that equipment

was making us $5 million every single day. Poof gone who nobody knows where it is. All the they literally robbed over a million members in 100 different countries. They just came in with machine guns, stole all the money and stole all the equipment and now nobody want part of it. Like all the prosecutors just keep quitting. So, I mean, do you I don't even know if I should be asking this, but I mean, do you think there's a possibility that some of the people involved in this actually stole your stuff and that no one they don't want to prosecute it because no one wants to open agent? >> Those agents never gave the Bitcoin they stole to the government. They kept the

Bitcoin. Those agents went to jail for years. So, I I it's rinse and repeat. These guys just are gangster mafia guys that just came and stole the money and they probably don't want to give it back and they definitely don't like it that I keep countering their false narrative. I mean, here's what's crazy. I had a camera crew go around with me for three years. I went to 175 countries bringing Bitcoin everywhere and filming it. And so I came out with this like two-minute sizzle reel for a movie I want to make on this story because it's the most retarded, outrageous story you ever heard. And so the the world's gonna love it. a billion people will see this movie. So I throw the the sizzle reel

out. It gets 150,000 views day one. No advertising, no nothing. Just went viral. And then day two, zero views. Day three, zero. Day four zero. I'm like, I wonder why this isn't going viral anymore. And so I put 500 bucks at Google, you know, and then YouTube sends the $500 back. And uh they're like, we can't promote your movie. Why not? You promote every movie. Why can't you promote my movie? No. Silence. A week later, they kick the door in of my camera guy with machine guns and they freaking steal all the footage. They literally, Luckily, we had backup copies in the cloud and stuff, but they literally do not like me countering their false narrative. Let's just put it that way.

Wow. So, I Right. So, you have this hearing come coming up. I mean, what are the other steps? I mean, is there anything is there any way out of this hell outside of a pardon? I mean, it it doesn't seem like there's any >> Well, I mean, I I filed a rid of mandamus to the third circuit court of appeals to alert them of all the BS that's happening. I put on the docket is very simple. The judges could just throw it out. Case dismissed, but they're not going to do that. They're the mafia and the Department of Justice has all the cover they need. I I literally categorize all the problems with the case. They could just drop the charges, but that hasn't worked. So now I'm

trying the parting route. I hope that works. I'm kind of doing a trust fall here. Um, you know, I'm I'm just I have faith that God will make this work. I have no idea how. I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. So I'm just crossing my fingers. He's got my back. And um I'm happy being a billionaire. I'm happy being broke. I'm happy in jail. I'm happy free. So to me, like the worst they can do is kill me. But there is no death anyways. So, that's not even going to work either, you know. >> Wow. Um, this is I I I don't even know what to say. I'm almost speechless at this point. This one is uh this one is bizarre. Well, I I think that um obviously I'm going to do

everything that I can to to raise awareness on this and, you know, I'm working on some other things that, you know, hopefully can can help with this. I I think that, you know, for me, >> you know, Trump said that the war on crypto was over and um we just haven't we just haven't seen evidence of it yet. And in fact, it's it's picked up. So, I'm hoping I you know, you mentioned this thing about 250 pardons. I've heard about that, but I don't know. I I have no I I don't know how real that is, if that's actually a thing or not, but I I certainly hope that that's the case. And I think that the truth is it doesn't cost Trump anything. This is him actually following through on something

he said he was going to do. that this isn't like something that's going to, you know, he pardoned all the J6ers. Just pardon all of the crypto prisoners. Like, in fact, it would be easier for him to pardon all of them than just one or two. Because if you do just one or two, then people are going to go into the individual cases and they're going to try to figure out a way to blow it up and magnify and lie about some, you know, personality thing they don't like about one of the guys. But if it's the whole group, then um then it's just done. And it's it's a big, frankly, it'd be a huge win for him. Uh, but it's also the right all the liberates and crypto people to back you in the midterms. Do

it now because then we could get to work and help, you know, help them retain power and control because the midterms are coming up and um they need the support. >> Oh, they absolutely need the support. I if they I mean at this point, frankly, some other things have gone off the rails. It's just not the war on crypto that's gone wrong. It's the actual war in Iran, so on and so forth. So, so they certainly need they need the support, but it's the it is also the right thing to do because once again, every single one of these cases that we're talking about, uh, yours included, it's somebody that was trying to promote or was successfully promoting economic freedom andor privacy andor voluntary

interaction. And in all of these cases, the people that that I've talked to thought they were complying with the law and actually sought out information in advance to kind of confirm even though it's a gray area with certainly with Bitcoin early on. And so none of these people should be imp. This isn't even a case of oh the person did something wrong but you know they've learned their lesson. There's no lesson to learn. The activities that that have been performed here are the kinds of activities that are fundamentally American in nature. fundamentally about freedom and entrepreneurship. And every one of these cases, it's absolutely infuriating and it's really hard to get the public to

understand because of a combination of not understanding how, you know, the judicial system actually works, but then also the technical complexities with some of this. But this one's actually kind of easier to understand. I mean, Joby was involved in in selling hardware equipment, miners to mine Bitcoin, uh, to an organization that, you know, built one of the largest mining systems around the world. And, uh, there is there is no fraud there. There are no allegations of fraud. I mean, I looked that up. The first thing I looked up on this, you read the headline, by the way, they do this all the time. They put up this huge headline, $722 million fraud, this,

this, this, and then you go and look it up. You can't find go on YouTube, go on Google, try to find a victim. >> There's no fraud. >> There's no fraud. >> AI now because when you like I I typed up tell me the story about Joby weeks to to Gemini, right? And all it does is cite the DOJ propaganda two thing two websites, total propaganda. And then I go to Grock and I'm like, "Tell me the story about Joby Weeks." And it's like 80 different web pages and it actually gets the story pretty correctly. It's just like so it is an info ward like Alex Jones says, you know, and it's and it's crazy that um you know they can just destroy you before any evidence is on the table. I've never faced my

accuser, you know. It's like it everything that they did was 100% anti- against the Constitution. They violated 18 USC 241 and 242 and the list goes on and on and on. I'm actually suing uh six judges, 12 prosecutors, the SEC, the IRS, the FBI, 50 agents, the clerks under RICO, the Sherman Antitrust Act, the HOBS Act, and the Tucker Act. They're all criminals and uh nobody's holding these people accountable and I don't know what what it's going to take, but um I appreciate you guys going to freejoby.com and sharing the video with people. Hopefully Trump pardons us all on the 4th of July. I don't know what I'm going to do if it's the 5th of July and I'm still stuck here. It's gonna go crazy.

>> Yeah. No. So, I encourage everybody to do that. Go to freejoy.com and I'm going to continue to uh to promote this and I'll add it to the website along along with all the others. And I it is important. People need to understand that adding your signature to this. Sometimes people are like, "Oh, well, this isn't going to mean anything. It doesn't matter." And it it makes all the difference in the world. I mean, Ross wouldn't be out of prison uh if it if it weren't for the, you know, Lynn going around for over a decade and collecting all these signatures. That's what actually gave leverage uh for, you know, Angela to to use during the important 2024 election. So,

this stuff matters. So, if you're if you're watching this, I mean, it only takes like, you know, it takes seconds get the >> petition, right, where you can add your signature. There's a donate page where if you want to chip in a hundred bucks or whatever to help me, what I'm doing is I'm spending that money on these clippers that can take these these interviews and clip them into like one minute, two minute little things to try to get the story out to go viral because, you know, people's attention span, they see something that's 37 minutes long and they never have the time to watch it. So, you know, I'm trying to keep it short and sweet. And so, I'm just trying to get the word out.

David Boyce says, "Listen, we know that you're in innocent, but you're just going to be a martyr for your cause unless you can get 10 million people behind you." I said, "How am I supposed to get 10 million people behind me? You told me to be quiet, not do interviews for five years. I didn't do any interviews and now you're telling me I need 10 million people. What the heck?" You know, so I obviously fired that guy. But the point is like I need to help. I need this to go viral. And if you can get, you know, we just put more sunlight, more pressure on these guys, make them just look, they lose all credibility. They have no credibility left. They have to let this go for

failure to prosecute. I mean, there's, you know, when I filed all my stuff under the docket as formal complaints. So, when you report a felony to an officer of government, if they do nothing about it, it's called a miss prison of a felony, and they become accessories after the fact. It's actually a crime to report a crime and then to do nothing about it. And so that's why these prosecutor, they read what I wrote and they quit. Three more come on, they read it and then they quit. Three more come on, they read it and then they quit. I've gone through 12 of them because they're all criminals, but they don't want to do anything about it. So they all just quit, you know. So

anyways, please help. And I appreciate Eron. Thank you. Thank you so much. >> Yep. Thank you for coming on. And uh this is going to go out this will go out tonight and then I'll I'll also be making clips. So, over the next week or two, we'll be putting out the clips as well and um and we'll continue to promote this and uh fingers crossed for July the 4th and I guess for June the 24th as well. >> Thanks. Thanks, brother. God bless. God bless you, man.

All right, there we go. Um, so this is a this is a fascinating case and I um I'm looking through the legal documents right now. I I really want to know what happened to that equipment and what happened to that to the crypto. I mean, it should be documented somewhere. Is it part of the Bitcoin strategic reserve? Did some of these government employees steal some of the Bitcoin? Again, this is pure speculation at this point, but we're talking about mining hardware that, you know, again, at its peak was responsible for 22% of the hash rate globally, producing $5 million a day.

So, so what happened to it? Uh, was it auctioned off? Is it in a warehouse somewhere? who manages the warehouse are, you know, it's not government policy to mine. So, I I'm not saying that necessarily the government is mining this Bitcoin, but is it possible that um some employees took the equipment and they're mining for their own personal benefit? Like this is a fascinating story because when you look at all of the effort that was put with no victims. I mean there were a lot of activities where people were selling unlicensed securities. And again in this case Joby wasn't selling

unlicensed securities. He was actually selling hardware which is not by definition a a security. And so even when a company has sold unregistered securities or whatever, there's usually not like this immediate confiscation and shutdown. There's a lawn draw. There's due process. There's this whole procedure. So what's interesting about this is they just kind of shut off a massive amount of Bitcoin hash rate and confiscated a whole bunch of Bitcoin and and no and we don't know what happened to it. So again, I'm throwing this out as a theory and I'm going to do more research on it and to see through the legal documents and everything else, how would we go about

trying to answer some of these questions? Because if you have 12 different prosecutors that have kind of gotten involved with the case and then said, "Oh, hey, I'm quitting and I'm moving on." I mean, that that says to me, I mean, this is unusual. Like we talk about a lot of, you know, I mean, if you if you had told me, well, you know, uh, 80 armed police came with two bearcats and, you know, a couple of drones or whatever, I would have said, oh, yeah, that's standard procedure. This is what happens in all these different cases. Uh but I mean in this case to to take all of this hardware we've had situations in in other cases like in the um K Rodriguez case where they they swapped

out judges at the last minute and everything else but 12 prosecutors um this is a whole other a whole other thing. So I'm going to do some research on this. I'm very intrigued and again I'm I'm labeling this now as a theory. So, I don't want anybody to to, you know, people start saying, "Oh, you know, he's he's out there saying that, you know, people are necessarily secretly mining or that some of this stuff was stolen." But there are a lot of um really fascinating and important questions that need to be answered. And the the reason they need to be answered is like think of the precedent that happens. What does this mean with respect to Bitcoin mining and what state actors can do?

with proofof work mining just like in the case of Roman Sterling off this this um chain analysis stuff is a black box. It hasn't been scientifically proven but they used it in this case and so now there's a precedent. So now they basically got this black box where they can go in and say well we're not going to tell you how our thing works. We haven't proven that it works but now you're guilty of something. Right? So that's where the precedent is bad. What is the precedent here where there are no victims and then we're going to charge you with a whole bunch of stuff. Um but then you're not going to have a court case and then we're going to keep kicking the

can down the road. But then there's, you know, over a billion dollars worth of crypto and a massive amount of hash power at at play. Well, if they can use this technique here, they can use this technique in any other instance. And what's interesting about this is they managed to do it um in a way where they were doing this in other countries. I think he said former Soviet Georgia was one of the places they confiscated equipment all around the world, which is something else people need to be keenly aware of. This isn't just limited to the United States. I see uh is this is this Chris Fox? just added. So, I'm I'm we're doing the live Q&A now, by the way. Uh if anybody wants to

pop in, I mean, we certainly can talk about anything, but tonight's topics are the uh the US Senate race that the next kind of step as we move forward on that uh as it relates to the crypto prisoners and the other three demands, talking about this Joby Weeks case, and um I would say also talking about ditch the dollar. I'll do a formal presentation on ditch the dollar, but I do want to put that out there. And I I see some people online have already have already signed up for this. I I really want to transition now from let's look at the last couple of years of this podcast as being not that it wasn't action-based. I mean, we've done these workshops all over the country and, you know, we've

been working on a lot of this advocacy, but, you know, I I've been listening to some other podcasts recently and I I just don't understand why some of this stuff is popular or it's not it's not that. And by the way, I'm not my goal here is not for this to be a like like I'm not driven by the numbers of people that watch it. I'm more concerned entirely with the number of people that actually start taking action. Right? Because you could have an entire libert libertarian party conference where people chant and the Fed for 17 years and make absolutely no progress, right? It's not um you know, one person that actually ditches the dollar is probably worth a million people passively watching a

podcast. But I I've been watching some of these things just to see what's popular. And I man, I don't get it. I I was watching Nick Fuentes the other day uh you know and even watching Candace Owen stuff and everything else and it's just like okay how how if you're watching this stuff how does any of it improve your life it's like and and most of this stuff is like a meta spectator show where it's people commenting about other people commenting about other stuff that's going on in the world and you know so you can spend an infinite amount of time watching this stuff, but it's not going to change a single thing in your life. And in order to actually make change in

your life, you actually have to change your mind, change your emotions, change your thoughts, change your actions. And none of this stuff is designed, in fact, it's it's it's designed not to do that. It is designed to distract you, to have you pick a side in other people's petty petty squables. And so I I I'm gonna focus this podcast on on action. I know these things go long. I mean, we're already uh I guess we're not too bad. We're only two and a half hours in so far, but this thing usually does go three or four hours. I'm going to start structuring it more though into segments. And I'm going to make sure that every episode has an action that you can take that will improve your sovereignty

in one dimension or another. And I mentioned I kind of completed the first round. In fact, what I'm going to do here is I'm going to pull up pull up some of these websites. I'm not going to go through all of it in detail. I'm just waiting to see if anybody wants to to join the uh the chat here. Um, but I I did I did just a ton of work leading up to this uh trip to Grand Rapids, Michigan. And this work was all around um let me try to a lot of lot of windows here. Hold on. All right. Uh all around getting these websites done.

And there was just something that I knew kind of middle of last year. I I can't can't say how or whatever. I was just but I was motivated to get all these sites done. And I can't even tell you tell you why. It wasn't even necessarily like a like I sat down and logically was like, "Oh, okay. You know, we're going to need need all this stuff." But I had a sense that, you know, I mean, coming off of the election, people were people bought into this. We're going to rescue the Republic and the Avengers are going to come in and fix things. And I I as I've said many times, I I knew that was never going to happen. And the detriment and the problem has been not only did it not

happen, but technocracy has accelerated dramatically as a result and it has accelerated in a way where there's been absolutely no opposition whatsoever to it which there would have been I mean again if Camala had won or the Democrat had won people would have been complaining about it but at this point people aren't complaining about it at all they don't even understand what's going on and in fact they're listening to the propaganda and they're believing things like that the Clarity Act is you know it's clear rules for the road. And so America is going to dominate and you know, everybody is going to become rich as a result of the largest surveillance bill in the history of the United States.

And people think that, well, we dodged a bullet with CBDC's, but we have these backdoor CBDC's that are at scale $33 trillion worth of transactions. And then, you know, it's like Doge is going to fix things. And then not only did Doge not save $2 trillion, but now Palunteer is responsible for um auditing doing IRS audits and flagging who should be audited. That's not an improvement. Now, I explained why this was going to be the case based on um Curtis Yarvin and the dark enlightenment. This is why you know we do these roundts and Courtney Turner and others have come on here. This this this

isn't a surprise. This should not be a surprise to anyone who understood what the ideology was behind what Musk was doing, Teal was doing, Curtis Jarvin was doing and JD Vance. No one should be surprised. It's in writing. Um, people just didn't want to read it, look at it, accept it. They wanted to believe that there was a white knight. There was not a white knight. There was never going to be a white knight. And there certainly isn't going to be a white knight again. So, uh, the idea that somehow, you know, I worry about this like I Massie is great, but man, I will tell you if people get all worked up about

the fact that, oh yeah, you know, let's just wait until 2028, we'll get them there. Um, it's not going to happen. And so, I just I worry it's another false kind of it's another head fake, another distraction that's going to move people. So, so anyway, the whole point behind that is the idea here was with everything that we've been building daylight freedom and everything else is to give people tools to exit the system that it's not about voting. Now, I have come around to the idea that technocracy is moving so rapidly and without friction that it's absolutely critical to slow it down. So, while I don't think that we

can go in and fix Washington DC, if we don't stop, you know, if we don't stop data centers and and then all of a sudden kind of AI takes over these administrative functions, again, that's not a good thing. A 75,000 page, 16 millionword tax code administered by AI is actually worse than having a bunch of IRS agents. And I hope everyone understands that. And this is what we're up against. So they sell efficiency and then they deliver tyranny and that's and that's what's going on. If that isn't slowed so we need to do these parallel systems. But I will say that often times what I'm trying to express and this is even true like within politics in in New Hampshire. People are

like well well you know why why are you you know pissing on this thing or whatever. Well the reason that I I may be pissing on this is that we can't compare ourselves to other states. We have to compare ourselves in the context of how is technocracy marching and what is our relationship to the federal government. I we may be do doing better than Massachusetts, but if if we're all going to be we're all going to be swallowed whole by Washington DC and if we're not doing anything to mitigate that, it doesn't matter if you are relatively better than other states, you're still going to be subject to this absolute technocratic tyranny. Um, so with Daylight Freedom, we have uh, you

know, multiple sites and we kind of rearranged the whole thing here. And, you know, there's the Aaron Day Show site, which is obviously this podcast, but you know, the website that we've created there, you can search all of the content and there's even an AI chat. You can search by video clips, you can see memes, there's music, by the way, and music videos on all of the all of the sites. I'm going to be building some more community features. There's technocracy atlas which I've revamped and the focus of it now is showing the growth of technocracy by state and by country since 1973 then projected forward to 2030. But you can actually see on a state-by-state basis

um what's going on. I have somebody in the comment stop funding the for data centers by getting people free of their electric bill. I mean that's one thing but stop using the dollar is actually uh an even more foundational way because that is actually the root of all of it. Uh the actual fiat currency itself which is now morphing into digital programmable currency and then the next level beyond that is digital programmable assets of everything that you own not just the money that you use. So everything that you own can be programmed, tracked, and censored. The root of that is fiat currency. And this is why I'm going to I'm going to give you a high level of daylight

freedom, but I'm going to talk about ditch the dollar right now because and I've been saying this since 2024. This is the single biggest piece of leverage. You know, I I see the comments here. You know, a few intentional communities here and there is not enough. We actually need to stop their system. Um, and so it's because you're not going to be able to hide in an intentional community. Temocracy is is is a, you know, leave no man behind kind of scenario. The the whole premise of it is it is global in nature. It does encompass control of the land, the air, the sea, and everything around us. It's it is a complete control grid. So um it's not enough just to we need to exit and build

but we also need to throw a wrench in their system and we need to stop using their system. So certainly if we could get free of the electric bill and this is one of the one of the other areas and as I go through these sites I'm going to tell you I built these but the whole point of building some of this we do not have the constitution. The constitution's been dead for like 30 years. I I mean just I I I've been in enough courtrooms. I've been in enough federal hearings. I've been in my own legal battles. Uh the Constitution has been dead for a long time. I mean, the the Constitution is something that that uh I mean, you may have lawfared them, but man, I'm telling you, I just these

watch, you know, all of the episodes from from this year. Yeah, I know. The bar attorney, all this other stuff. I I look, I've not seen that stuff actually sustainably work. But what I'm saying is that the issue here is technocracy. The issue here isn't even the government. The issue here is is not obstructing government. The issue here is obstructing technocratic firms. It's global technocratic firms. It's obstructing Palunteer. It's obstructing Oracle. That is the real threat. The politicians are puppets and they're puppets for they're puppets for these technocratic interests that are controlling the strings. And by the way, back to technocracy atlas. So you can see

um what's going on by state. You can get a report for your state that shows you what's going on with data centers and Palunteer and uh and the funding. And so there is some traction in shutting down some of these data centers. So I think that there's some uh effort there's some effort that is useful to be put into into into slowing that down just simply because if it goes unabated at the rate at which the data centers are being rolled out the the the rate at which AI is being implemented throughout the government. uh just you know if you just look at how Palunteer is connected but then you start looking at what's going on with

HHS and the integration of AI there I mean there's a certain point where and that point is coming very soon I would argue 2028 where with a real ID which which becomes digital and then digital programmable money and assets it becomes very hard for us to build these parallel systems I don't know what exactly that cut off point is but it's coming soon and in fact our ability to build these parallel systems is happening uh at a much slower rate than they are deploying technocracy. So, I'll go to a lot of events and a lot of people are excited about um what's going on and they're like, "Yeah, look, you know, we had this growth or look, maybe we have,

you know, 20% growth uh in this." And it's just like, "Okay, well, you have 20% growth in this, but then this is why I put together, you know, technocracy atlas because I wanted people to be able to visualize it." It's very difficult for people to um to see and and really understand how the rate at which things move over time because when you're in something it may seem like it's going slow. It may seem like, oh well, you know, it's not that big a deal, you know, because from one month to another, you know, maybe this one small thing happens. But when you look at, and this is what I have up on the screen right now. I'm going to show you, you know, this is, you know,

the United States in 1973, we had a uh score, technocracy score of uh 23.7. And then if you watch the animation you can see what's happened through some critical years 1990 um so union collapses 2001 yeah Patriot Act 2013 so on and so forth. So we so we go from whatever it was 23.7 to now 47 by 2020 we're now at 50.8 and just based on the projections of the bills and so forth that are already kind of lined up we're going to be at a 56 by 2030. In other words, um, you know, technocracy will be pretty much the dominant the dominant force. And I think

it's key for people to see this. And so even if you're, you know, like I'm in New Hampshire, and again, New Hampshire ranks highly with respect to technocracy. Although the the number one ranked state is actually Vermont, which is odd for a number of reasons, but technocracy is growing in New Hampshire. And I use as an example the fact that when right after I moved here, one of the things everybody was talking about was that in 2007, New Hampshire stood up, the legislature stood up, the House and the Senate, and they said, "Real ID is unconstitutional. We will never have Real ID in New Hampshire." Then in 2016, uh, put forward by sponsored by the guy that's now the Republican Speaker of the

House, we made Real ID optional. Now, in 2026, we've allocated $2 million to make Real ID digital. So, yeah, we may be better than other states, but we went from Real ID is unconstitutional to using taxpayer money to make it digital. So do you see how that's problematic? Right? This is so this is why your relative score relative to other states needs to be examined in the context of your absolute score and the trend of the absolute score at the state level, the national level. And we are getting crushed by technocracy

and these bills, the Blackburn bill and so forth and Trump's policy um on AI will give control of whether or not an AI model can be released to the DOE. It gives the FTC control over political bias and so forth. And so this is uh bad. It gets rid of section 230 thanks to Lindsey Graham if it passes. So meaning essentially free speech gets eliminated. There's there's liability then through through the AI models and developers become personally liable as well which means that if you're an open source developer that there's no way you you could develop an AI model on your own. Only big tech with lobbyists and so forth and

the right protections. It's it's one of those things where it's it's too expensive to even try to comply. This is what's on the table right now. So So this is why I do think that there's some you know and the problem is that this this threat that we're facing is so massive that we do have to challenge it on multiple fronts at the same time. I would prefer to just be working on parallel systems. That would that that and in fact in 2019 that was the decision I made. In 2019, I said, "No more voting. I'm done. This is ridiculous." Um, and the first thing that I did was I got rid of my personal bank account. But that was just the first thing that actually I was interested in was tokenization

beyond money. I I was already thinking about using tokenization to tokenize stocks or to tokenize any asset so that you could trade that without third parties. And one way you could look at that is it's kind of a barter system. But the idea is you can trade and sell any asset of any size anywhere in the world to anyone without any third party. To me that was one of the most liberating concepts. So that is where I spent my time from kind of 2019 to until 2021. Um and you know even after co this was still the area where I was spending

spending time. In fact, I I got excited about what was going on with um GameStop and um AMC. Uh from because what that showed the world is that people were now finally talking in mainstream media about how rigged the stock market is. and people were learning about how corrupt just the process of of exchanging and trading shares and so forth and securities is. That became a mainstream topic and it looked like that was a window where hey, yeah, now maybe we can come in with uh these solutions. And by the way, Bitcoin, you know, I talk a lot about Bitcoin being hijacked on this show. Bitcoin was hijacked in an even bigger

way. You know, we talk about the idea that it was supposed to be peer-to-peer digital cash and then it got pigeon holed into this like digital gold, but it was actually supposed to be peer-to-peer digital cash that could also be the rails for tokenization. The original concept of Bitcoin enabled uh and allowed for the ability for you to create tokens and and use Bitcoin as the settlement layer for that. And I think this is a I think this is a major important story and it hasn't been covered. I've talked about it a lot, but I think maybe now now is the time because Vitalic split off and formed Ethereum because basically uh Bitcoin was was throttled.

What Ethereum became was something that should have been able to be was should have been enabled on Bitcoin. So then Ethereum split off. So, so imagine something. Imagine if everybody were not only using Bitcoin to get rid of banks and third parties uh for payments, but but also for trading stocks and for trading any other asset. That was the possibility. Now, I still think there's an issue with the fact that it's transparent, and I'm still not convinced that the whole thing wasn't a technocratic, you know, system to begin with. But regardless of whether it was or whether it wasn't, it went from something with that kind of potential to now people are begging and hoping the

government seizes more of it through civil asset forfeite and people are excited and willing to take massive government regulation in order to um dump their Bitcoin on pension funds. So that's where this has has gone. So, I I know we've got a couple people on here. We've got Eduardo. We've got Deadheaded. How you guys doing? >> Good. >> Good, man. >> Good. >> Great. >> Great show again. I have to say it. It's full of information. I didn't know anything about that guy's company or anything. You're talking 20

>> 2% of Bitcoin >> was just walked off with the US government. >> Yeah. I I didn't realize that either actually until I talked to I mean I've been going pouring through the legal documents but but it it occurred to me and again I'm I am just saying that this is a theory at this point. But I mean when you look at the case and the fact that he hasn't had a trial, they've had 12 prosecutors. They seized all the equipment. What did they do with the equipment? What did they do with the Bitcoin? And I and I suspect, so I'm going to say this in the standpoint of this should be researched. Not that I know what the uh what the answer is on this, but um you I suspect that it's

possible that some of these government employees might have stolen some of it. I'm not suggesting, for instance, that the US government took all that mining equipment and has been secretly mining $5 million worth of Bitcoin per day. But could some of the people involved in the raid take taken some of that equipment and taken some of those coins? And the reason that the prosecutor doesn't want to push this case forward is because they realize that if you actually went to trial and went through full discovery, you'd find out that basically our government was operating like a, you know, complete criminal enterprise. I I I'm so I'm I'm just suggesting that as a

theory that should be investigated and and I'm going to start looking at that. But I've I've always wondered about, you know, I've I've kind of I'm not as excited about proof of work anymore for a variety of reasons, but the fact that they were able to go in and um shut down that amount of >> hasht in in multiple countries is just incredible. >> Okay. Did did the hash rate drop suddenly? >> I have to look at that. So There you go. >> So, I'm I'm so I'm basing this off of a lot of this off of what Joby said, but I and I but I have looked at the the some of the information and I want to validate it, you know, obviously for

myself that because obviously if you shut down 22, you know, percent, let's look at the dates and then let's look at the dates in conjunction with the price of Bitcoin and a variety of other things. I suspect that, you know, the timetable when all of this happened, it seems to be like, you know, 2019 was a massive year for global crackdown. And I I will tell you, and Deadhead, you you appreciate this as well. I'm I'm blown away by I really think that Equabit and what Patrick Burn was doing. Equibbit and Ravencoin were both forks of Bitcoin used for the purpose of the peer-to-peer uh exchange of securities on a

self-custo basis. They were both forks of Bitcoin. So, in my opinion, this is part of the hijacking of Bitcoin. And in fact, I think it's a larger part of the hijacking of Bitcoin. And I think in both cases in both cases we have a situation here where um I think you have five eyes involved. You certainly seem to you have the Canadian version of the CIA involved. >> Hey for a second. >> Sure. >> Okay. So I went ahead >> I'm I'm being so difficult. So, but anyways, um >> yeah, cuz I mean it's playing back to me. So, anyways, uh so um I went ahead

and uh sent uh did the flyers. Um you know, I sent you a a print out uh you know, a a copy of what it looks like. It's got uh you know, Eron Day Show running for senator um etc. And uh I mean everyone else. >> It looks like we uh looks like we lost him. >> One of your campaign guys. >> No, he's not one of my campaign guys. Uh he was he was doing I think he was doing this um I don't think he's in New Hampshire. I think he was doing this at uh in fact I don't even know what the location was on this but he was going to

uh local town areas and distributing this information and I I'd love in fact I hope he can join back on because I want to understand a little bit more about what's going on. But the the data center thing is a is an interesting hook I think for getting people to start to understand what technocracy is about. People are protesting the data centers, but and I don't even think they really even know the half of of what they're protesting. Like they're only touching a small part of what's actually going on. >> Well, you Yeah. Yeah. You see what's been going on. >> I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It sounds like an echo, but but over the >> Everything's gone crypto. Everything has

gone crypto since the Genius Act. Uh they they passed the Genius Act in what July or something like that. And then in August they settled the first uh I got to change mics. >> Is that better? >> That's better. I'm also playing around with my settings. I I had this issue earlier where I had to mute myself whenever uh Joby was speaking. Um but I I just adjusted some things and so maybe we hopefully we fix that's better. Um, oh, let me turn turn that one off. Okay, so you got the Genius Act pass. Next month they settle the first US treasuries on blockchain. DTC's got their own blockchain and

there's 600 institutions on it right now. They just hooked up I want to say Stellar uh for their multiblock completing a lot of their multiblockchain stuff. Um, you settle treasuries, you hook up 600 vote through the DTC. Um, the SEC and the CFTCC uh just launched their 68 well I say just launched in March put out the 68 page document. Now you got digital commodities, digital collectibles, digital tools which are utility tokens, stable coins, and digital securities. and they all got their definitions at the uh SEC and CFTC. So obviously that happens. Moody go ahead and gives AAA

ratings to some crypto funds um allowing what 48 trillion dollar in retirement funds to now trade in crypto. Uh then you have you have states already mandating that their state pension pools hold a percentage of cryptocurrencies. >> Yep. Uh then what? Let's see what helps. Uh you you the DTC NA team and NASDAQ and the New York Stock Exchange hook up with Kraken, OKX exchange and um oh one of the other uh exchanges uh so that they can move all the securities uh to tokens. NASDAQ is with the uh I think OKX and uh then the what

the owner of the New York Stock Exchange and international brokers praising Hyperlink what five days ago saying that you know these 11 guys are super smart and they're bigger than the NASDAQ. He literally said that at open at the at the conference DTC is now multi-change. Uh, did you hear Hyperlquid launches a pre-space IPO futures? >> Yeah. Yeah, I did hear about that. Yeah, >> speculation. But now you can price speculate before your IPO and anybody in any country can play except maybe us. Um uh of course with all the all the uh uh

securities moving onto exchanges that means they've already they've also opened it up to you now the entire world can change uh trade US stocks right on the blockchain at these exchanges. um stable coin Black Rockck files what last week, two weeks ago, it's almost three weeks ago now for two funds, crypto funds backed in US treasuries and guarantees on the overnight bank uh rate. You have to have at least three or five million to invest in them. But if you have that, then you're compliant with the Genius Act on your stable coin. So Stellar now, well not now, it's actually five months ago sets up

uh I gotta look up the name of it, but a service there are all their customers and they've got what 40 thousands of customers can create their own stable coins, invest, put the money into the Black Rockck fund automatically, set up the token on any one of the chains they want to set up, which now there's 16 uh uh cryptocurrencies that the SEC has approved um for for trading uh um also the big thing. So now we got all the all you got stocks and security well stocks securities and commodities moving onchain. What do all cryptoscurrency settle in right now? Stable coins. US

stable coins for the most part. I mean you got some Europeans but pretty much everybody stable coins. So now you're going to have all the stocks and all the commodities settling in stable coins. >> Yep. So the the the debt's going to go to 70 80 90 trillion dollars because the demand's going to be there because it's how can it not be if if you're literally moving you're not going to be trading against US dollars like you are now. You're going to be trading against stable coins. Uh Black Rockck just put 14 I opened up those two funds and put like 14 billion dollars in them or something. And then what? Michael Seller sells 32 Bitcoin and it drops into the 60s.

>> Well, I mean, again, he said never sell your Bitcoin. I I think that Bitcoin dropped more because of Mount Gaus um distributing uh Bitcoin. But nevertheless, I you know, look, I actually think Bitcoin if it drops to below 50, Clarity Act might not pass because it it you know, now all of a sudden the sector's out of favor and and now it looks like people would have to risk some political capital to get the the Clarity Act passed. But yeah, but things have to settle in stable coins, but stable coins have to be backed by treasuries. >> Bingo. And that and where do you get those treasuries? You get them at Black Rockck's funds >> and you get them through Stellar >> Andrew Fitzgerald.

>> Yeah. And if Yeah. JP Morgan is filed through. There's a couple there's a few other uh you know the DTC is going to settle every there's another chain there's another there's a blockchain settlement company that just got approved by the U SEC too. So DTCC has some competition although they are kind of tied together. Um, Pion Pryion, I have to look it up. Uh, uh, of course they can now all your money is going to be tracked and andally be seized down to the penny because who's going to be holding? Why? How do you tra how are you going to, you know, right now Coinbase, they're a bank now. You know why? Because it's this. How

else do you trade your coins to cash? How can you get cash? How do you get cash, Aaron? You don't have a bank account. How do you get cash? >> Well, I don't get cash. I don't I don't I don't use cash, but I mean I I use Zbeck if I have to use >> a credit card, but you can't use cash. >> I think I haven't tried it, but I I think I might be able to take cash out with a Zbec card. I >> haven't tried small in small amounts. I haven't tried it yet, but uh that would be that would be the way I would would go about trying it. And I do have uh some other crypto debit cards that I haven't been using lately, but I know I can take like a but a small amount. You can take a couple hundred dollars a day

maximum, but like there's a and then there's a monthly maximum on top of that. So you're not taking out large sums of cash in any event. >> Yeah, that's the the downfall right there because only way to really do it, sell it, bring it through Coinbase, bring it into a bank account because nobody else can give you fiat. Um, it's nice gold and silver. Walk into a silver coin dealer, plop down a, you know, 10, 20, 30 coins in silver, a couple of a couple of gold pieces, they give you cash, you walk out, and then nobody's the wiser. There is uh something very good to say about that. >> Well, I I wish I could have pulled this off. I I was talking about this a couple

of years ago and I'm not sure what the current status is, but there were um goldback ATMs >> and the idea was they built it to be able to do this. But then because of money transmitter laws, they ended up having to they ended up shutting it down. But you know, imagine you take your Zeno or Freedom dollar to a goldback ATM and pullbacks out. To me, that is a kind of solution that bridges digital and physical but that does not involve fiat. I really like that concept and something like that would be really compelling and and it would address a lot. In fact, I should probably I got a lot to do. I I

should probably call those guys and see what the the status of that is. But but what you just described and this is the inversion of what everyone was trying to do here. And I think that on the securities front I think it's the biggest story about the hijacking of Bitcoin and it has not been told. And when I had Steven Nario off on, I I think Patrick Burn, Steven Ner off, and Chris Horlacer from Equitabit, I think getting the three of them maybe on a round table or whatever or just having a conversation with them to compare notes because the pivot point for all of this, by the way, which I think is also the same timing of what happened with Joby, is 2019. 2019 was actually the year

where major uh government action was taken and man they were successful. Think about how successful based on what you just described about what's going on with Black Rockck and DTCC and everything else when you start out with the idea that you know Ravencoin and T0 and Equit were all about disintermediating DTCC and allowing people to own their own securities and to trade them without third parties. And then you and then you go through what you just described as the current configuration. It's the absolute inversion >> 100%. >> And again, it's it's complicated, right? Because I even as you describe this, it's like, okay, now you know, do you

look like the guy with the, you know, the all the pins and everything and the web on the on the uh on the wall trying to put all these different pieces together. figuring out a way to tell that story um and tell it soon because there are a lot of people that are just like, "Well, I'm not in crypto." And they're not realizing that you don't have to be. You already you don't have custody. Yeah. You're already in it. You don't even know it. You don't know what the rails are. I mean, you know, the bulk of people's assets are in these retirement funds and they have no idea how they work technically. And uh so so we're at that like we're at the really really late stage of this and

so so this is why I popped up here. So I you know this ditch the dollar site. So I I officially launched this at the at the LP convention. But the idea here is to to give people explicit steps that you can go through and you know um yeah the first one is kind of sign a pledge or whatever claim your name that you know you're on board with the idea which I think is important to get people people's buy in to doing this to just take the step by the way it's hard I'm at this libertarian convention and they still and at the end I give this speech I say look end the Fed has failed right and then when I describe you know what happened to Massie and everything else

and of course it's a libertarian crowd and I'm like well you know the idea that we're going to end the Fed through the Republican party is dead and they cheer that and then at the end of my talk I'm pushing ditch the dollar and they chant end the Fed again and then so I had to jump back in and I had to start chanting ditch the dollar and by the end by my fourth talk people are actually now starting to say ditch the dollar. I want to replace and the Fed with ditch the dollar that then points people to this site. And what's important about this site is that this gives the actual steps of what to do, how you actually ditch the dollar. Right? So this is it. This is step by

step. I'm showing you kind of on Freedom Forge. This is what you do. Here's how you install the wallet. Here are the screenshots. each screenshot because I understand, you know, for people that don't have crypto, if you don't have the exact same screenshot, right? I mean, if they change the design or whatever or if every step isn't isn't exactly the same as they're as they're seeing, >> they're kind of frightened by it. So, so I have all kinds of these guides now as a way to show people how to get crypto, how to spend crypto, how to get Zback, how to how to take uh crypto for for your business. Uh, but every podcast I'm going to uh launch something like that

and it's all going to tie back to and I'm going to rebrand this but kind of uh I have own nothing but I think I'm going to actually put this under the u daylight freedom banner but it's this idea of all right well here are nine areas of of your life and you can audit them and see where you are with with respect to sovereignty. So where are you with, you know, health? Where are you with money? Where are you with, you know, your mind and so forth and uh money, mind, attention, food, health, ownership, contracts, government, schools, and then give people tools and action steps that they can do to improve their individual sovereignty. I want this this need. And so over the summer,

I'm I'm spending my time now kind of applying the AI stuff to marketing. we have to move towards marketing. And I I also think, you know, I've been doing a lot of these events and everything. I think we've we've gotten about as much out of the libertarian community as we can get. >> Uh it's time to find the other people are out there. I mean, when I brownstone events and everything else, there are other other groups, but I mean, it's the the the quote liberty movement is not is not the end all beall of where this is. not discounting the liberty movement, but I'm but I'm saying there's a lot of people that are not interested in taking direct action themselves. There's a

there's still a lot of belief in uh voting or even even voting in a third party to actually get these changes. Like I again I asked people so tell me when I when I ran for president I was debating Chase Oliver and Mike Mike Turat and um I think Dan Burman or whatever but he and I kind of agreed but these guys were running as libertarians and and my whole thing was um you know bank run now. I mean like my pitch to end the Fed was take all your money out of the bank convert it to some other alternative and they're like oh that's too extreme. And they would and they would actually say, "Well, we're going to end the Fed. If I were president, this is how we'd end the

Fed." And then I would walk through them with them what the actual power they would have as president with respect to actually ending the Fed and how the Fed actually works. And by the end, they would admit, well, yeah, I couldn't actually do this, but the thing you're talking about is too extreme. So, I mean, we have people that are that are running for office that don't that that everything's like a bumper sticker, but with no actionable steps behind it. There there isn't a political way. You're not going to get Congress. You >> can't vote your way out of tyranny. >> Yeah, you can't. It's not It's not even a It's a It's a stupid thing to try. And we had, you know, we thought we could do

it. We thought, you know, I And again, I I think Ron Paul was great. Ron Paul awakened a lot of people, but but that's you have to admit that the strategy has failed. So keep the spirit of of and intent of the idea, but then you know we got to retool at some point is after 17 years when the thing has done the exact opposite of what you were looking for and you've actually made less progress every year. Maybe you have to say, "Hey, maybe this strategy is not going to work." Instead of doubling down on the same strategy >> and and so there are new people to find. Um, >> well, that's the whole Libertarian Party that I know. I mean, I first was introduced in the mid to late 80s when I

was getting paid I was in college and getting paid 50 cents to get signatures to get Ron Paul on the Republican ballot uh back or it might have been a libertarian ballot. Yeah, it was a libertarian ballot back in like I think it was 87. Uh, so that that was my first introduction to to libertarian is when he ran. >> Yep. and and and totally 100% from there when you know anything political I was a libertarian but good god no I couldn't vote for this the first year I couldn't this was the first presidential election that I didn't that I voted for one of the two parties at a federal race this was the first I can honestly say Trump was the first federal election I voted for either a

Republican or a Democrat. I've never done that on the federal level in my life in my voting life. >> But okay, a couple thing you one you got you got all these steps. Did you know like like at AMX Ampex you can buy gold and silver coins with crypto, right? >> Um looking at it right now. >> Okay. You can go by and I've used this company to buy gold and silver before, not with crypto. I mean, they take Bitcoin, BCH, ETH, do they actually take Doge, WBTC, LTC, SHIB, they take SHIB in you, uh, Apecoin, Polygon, uh, all the

about seven or eight, nine stable coins. Uh, you can buy silver. You can take silver right now coins down to any coin and silver dealer. They'll give you cash for them. >> Yep. you know, and then the the so one there there's a way I think I think crypto is awesome, but everybody needs some go, some silver and some gold if you can do it. >> Well, that's actually one of the things uh that's on the list. So, if you actually look at um ditch the dollar.com step number seven is hold hard money outside of crypto, too. >> There you go. Yeah. >> Dollars, too. You're right. It's got to be You're right. gold backs are great. But >> yeah, so in this case, I actually link

to um Alpine Gold and I link to because I do have this I I realized I I I have a bunch of stuff on there that I haven't used. I have a I have a crypto card backed by gold and silver and and so that is an option and I I just haven't used it as much but but certainly um can so I I am promoting that as well and again I think that if we can get a hybrid but but >> but the thing that we have to do is it's kind of like I mean now I'm like okay even for this campaign I'm like I'm not going to set up a bank account I'm only going to take crypto all the stuff if you go to daylight freedom org which is a nonprofit. You can contribute to it. >> We can send you stable coins. That's >> We only take

easy. You take stable coin, right? >> I don't take tether. I will take USDC. >> I refuse to take Tether. I don't want to have anything to do with Tether. I I I just um I you know, if one of my campaign pledges we need to fire Howard Lutnik. >> Okay, I got you. >> I feel like I can't take Tether, but I'll take USDC. And and again I everything that I take I convert to freedom dollar >> um for for all these >> right >> where do you do that >> where do I uh >> to freedom dollar >> uh I use either exalix or and and I will say this so I've been using I I've when we do these workshops I've used cake wallet I've used edge wallet and then

the native um Zeno wallet >> and what I have found doing some testing with new people that that aren't familiar with crypto. The best solution we have right now is Bitcoin.com. And the irony of it is the name. Um, you know, it's kind of like, oh yeah, well, Bitcoin is, you know, hijacked, but uh, get your Bitcoin.com wallet. But the thing is, the Bitcoin.com wallet has integrated Zeno and Freedom Dollar, and so you can actually go in and buy crypto. Obviously, it's KYC, but nevertheless, people have to start somewhere. You can buy crypto and it has one of the easier processes. I mean, you know, some of these are some of these debit card or credit card buy crypto things are as bad

as setting up an actual exchange account. This is one where you can actually uh buy some crypto pretty quickly in like 15 minutes, you know, from from from nothing. And then you have that in your wallet and then you can swap out uh in that wallet. So you can swap out in your Bitcoin wallet. So for instance, so but bit the Bitcoin.com wallet doesn't have it has some cryptos. It doesn't have a massive assortment. So I have some things like if I'm taking Zcash or Monero um I'm doing that in my Cake wallet and then I'm using Axelix to convert to Freedom Dollar. But if for some of these other cryptos where um I'm using the Bitcoin.com wallet, I'll just swap right

within the Bitcoin.com wallet. Are you having any problem with volume? Because my I've been I my Zano ecosystem and I've pretty much only tried to swap using the Zano wallet. I got some Bandit and you know they've got their little exchange going. Uh but I haven't there's not enough volume or any volume in a lot of these. >> Well, I haven't I haven't played with uh Bandit at all, but I've had no problem with volume through Axel. I've been able to do >> I've been able to do large transactions. um large enough transactions like you know um $7,000 $8,000 $10,000. I mean it's not I mean I haven't done like a six figure transaction but I've been able to do everything that I need to do. Uh

>> can you set up a Bitcoin.com wallet anonymously and not you know do you have to only KYC if you're you know buying currency? >> Yeah, you only have to KYC if you're buying currency. It's a self-custody wallet. So, it's really the buying that is the uh is the is the issue for for KYC. And of course, you can set up multiple wallets if you wanted to as well. So, >> you can move it to freedom dollar, move your freedom dollar to the other wallet, change it back to Bitcoin, and you have your Bitcoin anonymous. Is that correct? Would that be a fair statement? >> Well, well, you can convert to BTCX. So, they've actually integrated confidential layer within the wallet so that you

>> and then but Okay. And then you unwrap it to a different address >> if you need to. >> If you need to. Yeah. So, so right now the next piece of this, and if this happens, I don't know if they're doing it or not, but I I hope they are. I I heard a rumor they might be, is they've got a web 3 component to the bitcoin.com wallet where they could do the integration to Zback, so you don't even have to use the Zeno wallet. If that were the case, and by the way, they they actually just launched yesterday, I haven't used them yet, merchant tools uh through bitcoin.com. So th So this is a solution. What I like about this is the ability because man, I'll tell you when

I do these workshops and they're boomers or people that have never used crypto before and you've got to get them on boarded with two different wallet just that that process itself is is kind of a nightmare. I mean it really is cumbersome painful. So the idea that um with Bitcoin.com they could download one wallet, buy crypto, convert it to something else, connect it to Zbec and have merchant tools. That is actually a a kind of a gamecher. Now the other thing that we're doing, I didn't announce this yet, but I next week on the podcast, we're we're finally launching this daylight freedom phone uh deooled phone, >> right? And this again is a the what's helpful about

this I I'll even pull this up now is it's so I'm looking at things now I'm kind of framing this as um these nine areas of improving your sovereignty and this phone actually hits on a whole bunch of these because you know you're it's it's solving some of your privacy issues ownership of your data issues. It comes pre-installed with all of our apps on it, all all of our websites, >> a VPN, the Bitcoin.com wallet is installed, the Zeno wallet is installed, and so >> what's the messenger? >> Um, >> and I ask that for a specific reason.

>> Well, >> you know, Samsung Messenger is going away. >> This is not a Samsung. This is a Pixel. No, I'm saying the app. >> Oh, >> and that's a huge that's I I millions upon millions of people and it gives I what is the date? It's like the 26 or 6th of of July 6, Samsung Messenger will be discontinued and they're suggesting you go to Google. It's a massive opportunity for a for a messaging app to gain use case users. So that's why I'm asking specifically.

>> Uh so Above phone has some stuff that they put on there and and then you know I I put um obviously Signal on there but you know now that you bring it up I should probably look at Matrix. >> Yeah. Really? because like element and stuff because matrix has bridges to like signal and WhatsApp and something and things like that. I don't I just learned about matrix like yesterday day before something like that. Um >> yeah, I'm emar I'm embarrassed because I you know matrix actually you can use matri you can actually log in using the uh zeno wallet. >> Oh >> and I haven't done it yet and it's like it's one of those things where it's on my list and then people keep and for I

just haven't done it yet. I I think part of part of the reason is it's like it is this constant issue of you've got to have your feet in on both sides of it, right? It's it's kind of like well why aren't you just just using Noster, which there's a reason I'm not using Noster, but that why aren't you just using these tools? Well, if you're trying to onboard people, you can't onboard people when your entire universe are people that are already on boarded, >> right? >> So, you've got to bridge people into this. And so it's kind of and I'm already struggling with, you know, I find Telegram >> hard to stay on top of. I, you know, and I I p I primarily use Signal. I mean, if

somebody wants to get a hold of me, if you call me on the phone, I'm probably not going to answer. Like, unless I I know it's you and and if I already know it's you, you're not calling me on my phone. >> Like, the actual phone itself is just trash. It's it's junk mail, political calls, scams. Um, but uh that's a good point. I know they have Jity on there. There's a whole bunch of of different different tools. So, next week um we're going to go through I'm going to have Hakeem Anoir who's the guy who's behind the Above phone. Uh he's going to come on and we're going to show how all of the all of the stuff works. But but when I look at from a sovereignty perspective all of

the different things that it checks off all at once and I consider how much goes into doing these workshops just to onboard people to a wallet. This is going to save a lot of time. And you know it's weird the older people have money so they don't care like you know to to get a boomer that's interested in these things to say oh you know I'm going to pay $6.99 to 12.99 for a phone. That's actually not a huge issue. Um I if and you know in particular when people sign up you get 45 minutes of you know you can actually call and talk to a person as well to help walk through the setup. So I'm excited about this as a as an a tool that people can use to start getting away from big tech but then it

also on boards our ecosystem as well um and and has you know all of the daylight seven sites and everything else. Like moving forward though, I'm going to be focusing on solutions and and every podcast having a an action an action item because nobody's doing anything. I mean, I go around and look at this and I'm not trying to rag on this Libertarian Party thing, but I got to tell you, it was um um I don't know if you heard any of the drama around it. >> No, >> I mean, it was an absolute shit show. I mean, basically, uh, you had Jeremy Kaufman who came from New Hampshire and who ran for chair on the, uh, uh, platform of he's going to shut down the Libertarian Party because it's useless

and and everyone should move for to New Hampshire, but but then he's kind of like, you know, it was kind of a weird thing. And he ended up getting ejected and then somebody stole some flyers from the New Hampshire group and then some guy slapped a woman and got arrested by the cops. I mean, it was just like it was like that kind of um stuff. >> So, last Thursday I you were I w the well it wasn't last Thursday. I guess it was two Thursdays ago. You were speaking on at the conference about the uh the prisoners, the crypto prisoners. Was that part of the three-day libertarian conference? >> Yeah. So, the conference, so this was an event that was going on in the same

building, but it wasn't officially part of the Libertarian Party. This was the enemies of the state uh group put that on. And by the way, it's like I said this at the beginning, it's like an amazing group of people that uh that put that thing on and worked on it for months. And and I will tell you in classic libertarian fashion, you know, we first of all, the last time we did this was in DC and it was expensive, right? Because it was DC. So So we were sold on the idea that, well, hey, you know, we got a good deal. We're doing it in Grand Rapids, Michigan. It's going to be cheaper. Well, then it turns out to be one of these things where it's like you have to use

>> union labor for all of the ad and the so the cost on so that like it became a really expensive event. I'm looking at this, I'm like, "Holy shit." Now, now then to make matters worse, right, you're paying these people by the hour. So, let's say you block this thing off and we were going to have the party from, you know, 8 to 11:30. Well, Justin Amos decided he was going to have an event and they mismanaged the entire convention. So the convention ran late. So then Justin Mosh had an event and that went an hour into our time, >> right? And so anyway, the the team pulled it off and uh like the visuals were great. And from my perspective, the most important thing about the event was

that we live streamed it and that we captured really high quality uh audio and video >> and and that was absolutely a success. I mean, we had Lynn Albert, we had all these different prisoners speaking and everything else. you'll be seeing content and the the u the talks and everything from that event will be dripped out over the next month or so. And I I believe that that event will do more in terms of reaching more people about these political prisoners than than anything that's that's happening. Uh good night. >> We Sorry, we got somebody saying good night. Good night. Thank you for uh for hopping on. I guess we're we're good good three and a half hours in. Well, I

was going to say, you guys, I I watched your speech and a couple of the others. I can watch the whole thing, but you got to hammer those shorts. There's tons of places that, you know, good information that can be cut out in 15, 30, a minute long about all these guys and start putting that stuff out there because that goes right along with all these first day auditors. Uh, I get inundated with, you know, Audit the Audit and Long Island Audit and, you know, um, Blackbluster and it's great. I like the stuff. You know, they're they're bringing police accountability and these are some of the most egregious uh oversteps of the federal government >> uh that that happened, you know, and

people keep turning to the federal government. you know, these local police agencies are causing all these problems and they turn to they sue in federal court and get restitution. Well, where the hell do you go if it's the federal court? >> Yep. Exactly. Well, and that's that's what for the over the last month and I kind of even leading into this thing on Joby weeks, I've really come to the conclusion that I've been spending my time analyzing the legal documents. I'm saying, "Okay, I I now have a picture. I've connected enough dots. I've seen enough patterns. Now it's about explaining to people what the actual playbook is for the DOJ. This is their standard technique. They're going to

rage you at six o'clock in the morning with 30, you know, armed armed people from like this is multiple. This is what they always do. This is the playbook. They are going to uh play all of these games with discovery. And then you learn things like a a a to go through a full case in the Southern District of New York costs $13 million. So then you start going through this and you realize, okay, so uh they'll intentionally lose discovery. They have a whole bunch of tactics that they use >> to run up the legal bills. They win 97% of the time, and it's not it has nothing to do with the guilt or innocence of the other person. They will swap judges >> uh at the last minute. They will do all

kinds of things in terms of what they can do with the rules of the court to suppress things from coming in. uh they'll just outright reject motions uh without even consideration. It is mind-boggling. And now the problem is and I said this during the Joby thing is, you know, we didn't get into a lot of the legal doctrine and everything else because every time you do that, people's eyes glaze over, but I I'm at the point now where it's like, okay, let's group together these five cases had this thing happen and let's explain that and then show and show that. I mean, you know, and then show if we have it, let's show the videos and the footage of the raid. Let's show um

compilation stuff like this because the I think the part that has been the most difficult so far when it was just Ross or Ross and just Ian, then part of the this is part of the other tactic. So, you hire a lawyer and the first thing the lawyer tells you to do is don't talk to anybody. Don't talk to the press, right? >> Uh that could be used against you. Well, what is the first thing the government does? The first thing the government does is they come out and do a press conference and they do a press release and they basically slander people. Like in the case of Joby Weeks, it's like you read the headline, it's like $722 million Ponzi scheme. Holy shit, this is

awful, right? And then Joby doesn't speak at on the advice of council for 5 years. So you don't hear the other story. Well, I mean, if I see a $722 million Ponzi scheme, I've got I've got to assume, man, there must be a lot of victims. And then you dig into this and you find out there aren't any victims, >> But the only thing that anybody knows >> right? and when you Google it because no one no one on the defense has actually said anything, then everything that shows up as a Google hit is a press release or coverage by the mainstream media about the press release by the DOJ, which absolutely taints the entire situation. And I'm not going to give people legal

advice, but I think at this point I, you know, being quiet, well, you know what? May maybe maybe this is why, you know, I guess I do what I do and why enemies of the state exists and why Lynn Olrich has her mothers against cruel sentencing. I I guess other other people need to step up and speak on behalf of these people early in the process because that that that you know I mean you obviously know how it works like with search engines. I mean, if so, if the DOJ has put out five press releases, you know, over an extended period of time, and the defense has decided to say nothing and not comment on the case, then anytime anybody looks something up, it's even going to taint the AI results.

>> Yeah. >> And and you're going to get information that is just not it's not accurate, but because on the advice of council, the other person doesn't speak. So, so now now nobody knows about the process. Nobody knows what the tactics are from the DOJ and no one's heard the other side. So what happens is when you then look at these individual cases, they do a great job of taking, you know, oh well Ian Freeman said this one time, you know, after being on the air for 20 years, so let's find the most um the worst thing that we could possibly find that he he would say and then let's pin that on him because we know he's not going to be able to defend himself. And

then these cases then become not about the process of the DOJ but the warped mischaracterization of the people. And so now it's like unfortunately we have enough of these cases that we can put the pattern together and say guys this is how this is how justice works. Justice is not what you were taught in civics. This is what happens. Like I'm even tracing it was talking to um Lauren Rodriguez and she was talking about you know the prosecutor on the case and the way that the prosecutor uh behaved and I think he was involved maybe in a couple of the cases maybe ro Rome Storm or one of the other he was involved in multiple of these cases or Sam Bankman Freed actually it was Sam Bankman Freed

>> what's this guy up to now because he I guess he resigned as part of the process he's now the chair of the litigation practice for some expensive law firm where he's defend you He's on the defense side now, making $1,500 an hour, which is also the standard process. It's the same thing that happened in the Roman Sterling case. People don't know this. People, >> we know this, but I mean, the general public doesn't know this, and this is why it's so difficult to get any headway uh on this. But then, of course, you're right with the clips, I mean, having these people's spouses speak or if they can speak for themselves is always the best thing. I mean, we got Roman

Sterling off to uh he called me from prison and I recorded a a short speech that he gave. Roman Storm put together a short video. Ray Yousef put together a short video. I mean, obviously getting these guys, you know, speaking in their own words is is the best. Getting a loved one is the second best. Getting a lawyer uh is is the third best. and maybe even tied with a lawyer is then you know people like us and um you know having Lynn Olrich and and and others speak but I mean man this is a this is a crisis like I'm I'm getting worn down by this like I I mean I did the Joby thing today I'm like holy shit you know I thought it was bad when it was just Ian and Roger and now it it is really not

>> a dozen >> it's it's a dozen and it's and and the cases get more absurd and then when you get to know the people I mean these are people you would want to hang around, >> right? People you'd take your kids to. >> You would absolutely hang you would hang out with these people. They they they're either have young families or they want to start young families. I mean, it's it's absolute it's outrageous and uh but it's also very challenging uh to tell the story. So, >> yeah, >> I can say it. Get the word out there. Get it be loud. Get it to put it on shorts. Get it trending. Get it viral. get it everywhere because I can see time after time I can show you at least on

the local levels that the only people that get justice are the ones that got a hundred,000 views or more, you know, and they got 10 people 50 because these because you know what happens? people start calling and they you know if if if these stories were coming out so and so the way and that's why I say like the speeches you guys were making shorts of those and get those out there because those fit right in line with with all all the the what the auditors are doing on local stuff and it's egregious >> and that's and that is what we're going to be doing over the next month because of course you can't blast it all out at once you only do like one all that other

stuff. So, it's going to be over the next month. And that was the purpose. That was from my perspective the main thing about the event. I mean, honestly, the libert, you know, the people that actually showed up in person. I mean, it's kind of like, are these are the same people we see all the time? They're already aware of the cases. Uh, it was the it was the fact that we had the the victims and their um I got to figure out the right way. You know, are they enemies? I you know, people we debate about this. So, so some people, well, well, advocates, but I mean, but the actual defendants themselves, like I actually there's some people that didn't like the idea that it was called enemies

of the state. And I'm and I'm kind of like uh like I went to bat for the idea that, you know, they they were it's somebody has to tell the truth. Like there's some point where it's like everybody wants to be nice and then there's another part of this is like at some point somebody has to fucking tell the truth like like like just the unabashed truth. You have to explain what's happening here. And uh it's a it's a tight rope. I mean, obviously it shouldn't be the the actual defendants themselves going out and and trash talking, but but man, once you see the pattern, um man, if you thought voting was bad, I think the courts are even worse than the political system.

>> Yeah, I I I can agree that because that's the only place you can get justice. But I I will say there was something that happened or came out today and it's of course culture cultural that may bring more attention may may wind up biting Trump in the ass more than anything else. Uh, you know who Sean Strickland is? >> Sean Strickland? >> Sean Strickland is an MMA fighter for the UFC and he's a trashtalking, don't give a crap down Trailer Park American. >> Uh, you know, he he he uh and he just won the 185 pound belt against a Dagistani Muslim. What, last week? Two

weeks ago. He he he he he's he's America's fighter right now. He's said some lots of bad things about Israel and he's criticized Trump's bombing of Iran. They pulled his UFC tickets at the White House today. >> Oh my god. >> And it's blowing up. >> Yep. And that there's going to be a lot of beer drinking, get her done that are going to look at that and say, "Okay, what what's my Trump doing now?" I mean, they can't do that to to, you know, for that right there, I think, is going to gain more attention and turn more people against the current administration than anything else we've we we've had lately for the mag for his

base, should I say. >> Yeah. I I I hope you're right. and you know and obviously he's losing he's lost a big piece of his base like even my race here I will tell you that what happened to Massie was the biggest boost to my efforts here um hands down because there are free stator that were like oh I you know they may have even voted for me in 2016 but now they're all you know s they've sold themselves on the idea that the Republican party is the way to go and all this other stuff and then at some point Now, some of these guys are like, "Wait a minute. We bought we all signed up for this liberty thing within the Republican party, and you took out the best guy, hands down,

the single best congressman we have, and you did it with $30 million from Miriam Aden and Apac. Are you kidding me?" Like, like literally, what are you holding on to? There's no liberty in the Republican party. That's pissed off a lot. I could run just on that and get enough votes. >> Absolutely. And I and I think and that's that's exactly this is like a one-two punch. We lost Massie. Crazy. And then boom, he they're they're literally I mean Sean's all over social media saying I'm not Israeli enough. I'm I I please please I I forgive me. I I I I was wrong. I You know, he even called it the uh this the the fight event the the Israeli uh UFC event. >> You know what? I'm gonna I'm gonna reach

out to Jake Shields and >> Yeah, Jake's been promoting it all over the place. That's who actually who I saw it on today. You know Jake? >> Yeah, I've been on his show. He's He's actually I don't know if I'd call it an endorsement. I think he actually said support this guy. >> Uh I mean Drake's a great fighter, but I thought his political views in the past have been quite bedwedding. >> Well, he was a Trump guy and then he and then he's now he's pissed. Well, then he switched because he was a >> Oh, no. He He's he he he he switched. Um >> Yeah, because when I knew he was a Democrat. >> Uh he may have been a Democrat, but then he went Trump. Um and then and now he is

just absolutely beyond pissed. And so, um yeah. No, he's definitely not a Democrat. He's a um uh he's a Dan Blizzerian. Uh like he is he's just Yeah. Yeah. No, he's definitely not a Democrat. I'll reach out. >> Yeah. Well, then I today that's that's funny because today I never see Jake Shields stuff, but today I saw one thing from him from um about the Sean Strickland stuff came up in shorts and then a few hours ago one was a English version of Hitler speaking about the Jews and I listening and he doesn't he didn't say a thing during the whole thing. just him

on his podcast and uh or his short and and and that and that kind of threw me way off because yes, I believe what Israel is doing is evil. I'm not willing to support Nazism and that and I was like, "Okay, wait here." So, check that out. I I'd like to know what he means what he meant by that. I will I just sent him I just sent Jake a note and I I I I will get you know this is the funny thing about this what I on podcast day I'm usually um completely involved in getting the podcast and everything together. So whatever goes on in as far as news um I I have no idea the day of my podcast

what's going on. I mean for all I know you know we could have uh the Iran conflict could be over or whatever. I'm I'm it's going to take me until tomorrow to get caught back up. Well, now oil is not below 70 and silver and gold haven't shot up. So that's the that's how I tell how how Iran's going. >> Yeah, me too. I, you know, at some point like whatever it was six weeks ago or a month ago, it's all blurry now, but all my feed was was Iran and it was propaganda on both sides. It was all fake. It was all but you know and then there was this point where you know are we going to drop nukes? And there was that that you know point coming out of the weekend where Trump made that threat

where you know we're going to bomb your infrastructure or whatever and then you know I know a lot of people were on pins and needles thinking that uh you know we were at the beginning of World War II and then and then all of a sudden that flopped. None of that happened. It was this continual ceasefire. Oh, it's solved and then it's not solved and then, you know, it was it was the common, you know, on Friday we're going into uh war and then by Monday morning there's a peace deal so that somebody can, you know, so Howard Lutnick can make some money on investments. But in the reality, nothing has changed anywhere, right? And so now that now now for me it's all about gas prices. I

don't even have to look at anything. I just have to look at the gas prices to know what's going on. >> Right. Right. Well, I'm starting to lean to the thing that I I think maybe that the whole Iran stuff besides being tied to Israel might be, especially in the news to to keep the eyes off what's going on here in the SEC and the DTCC. I mean, we just basically had a new Bretton Woods last month. >> Yep. Yes, we did. And and and people people do not know. No, >> there's nobody saying anything. >> No, >> it's not. It's not in the Wall Street Journal. It's not in the Financial Times. >> Nope. >> It's, you know, you see a little article

here. Oh, they signed up stellar. Nobody's saying now the world can trade. It happens in this starts in July. >> We get securities trading on in in crypto exchanges in July. >> Yep. >> That's it's mind-blowing. And they all gonna settle in in stable coins backed by US treasuries. >> It it is it's rock. >> It's mind. And you know, and by the way, trying to figure out a way to explain this >> so that you know, the average person can understand it is hard. And I'm I'm working on it in a variety of different ways. Um, you know, it's not going to be a 7,000word article or or whatever. But, you know, the problem is again, you've got to explain basic concepts. people in

order to understand how bad it is. You have to understand how bad multiple layers and systems work. Yeah, you're right. This is happening right in front of our eyes. And I, you know, by the way, every time I these accounts, we're like, "Oh, Clarity Act's about to pass or whatever." And I see one of these things. It's got 2,000 likes. Every time now, I write in the comments. I'm like, "This is the largest surveillance bill, blah, blah, blah." I do my little can response and then I always and then I say, um, no one will refute this. All of this traffic is fake. And not a single person has ever refuted it. It never has the poster that has been pushing or cheerleading the Clarity Act commented.

Like it's it's all fake. There's I I have I I couldn't get into an argument. I couldn't find somebody to defend the Clarity Act. Like there's even if I wanted to, I've tried to pick arguments. I've tried to lay out facts. I mean, you know, hey, if I'm wrong on this surveillance aspect of this, which of course it's not. It's all this stuff is in the bills. You can look at the bills. Um, how are people how are people for this? I I mean, just on the the five-year real time tracking and sharing of the information with foreign central banks alone, that should be disqualifying. And that that and that's not the only bad part of it. It's like um so and you know, I get to the point

where I guess we're we're back to this. People have no hope. Like the best thing that you've got is I'm going to sit on my ass, not do anything, and hope Bitcoin is going to go up based on politicians talking about bills that they haven't read. Um, and and listening to propaganda, and that's how desperate people are at this point. I mentioned this earlier. I I had to put air in my tire. It was $3. >> I saw that. Yeah, I heard you saying that. I was listening. >> I mean, what the hell? I mean, and this was in New Hampshire. just I wasn't like going to I I wasn't in New York. This wasn't a high-end gas station. This was just like a normal like whatever run-of-the-mill gas station. And it's

gotten to the point where Yeah. I mean, they have the quarter thing, but they no one uses it anymore because, you know, it's it's $3. So, now everybody's using their debit card, but $3 for air. Wow. >> It sounds like a great opportunity for somebody to to put together little cheap air compressors and charge a dollar. Yeah. I mean, you know, >> that that's what I saw. Well, wait. I could go around here and put these around here and make a hell of a lot more money. >> Or or freedom or a freedom dollar. >> Yeah. Exactly. Or a freedom dollar. Exactly. You you know, >> listen, I I I am I am big on Yeah. The the other thing is just being at this libertarian convention. There were a

couple tables there. or the Zeno guys came out and and I've got some of these banners that I take with me to these things and I've got the Freedom Dollar banner and and it's just like if there's one place in the world where an audience should look at, I mean, the ticker symbol is FUSD, right? How can you not how can you not like this? And by the way, there's now $10 million um kind of backing the uh uh $10 million of of Freedom dollar in circulation. But I mean, this thing should be should be much bigger than this. This should be huge. like I I I'm going to go. So anyway, I'm excited about the Bitcoin.com. I I'm going to I'm going to actively push this ditch the dollar

thing and do a campaign. And we're up to like 86 people have signed. I mean, I I I gave one talk and then I've I did this podcast. So 86 people have signed the signed the pledge, but but you know, this is the kind of movement. And by the way, similar movement on the healthcare side, form a medical trust and cancel your insurance or whatever. But >> yeah, have you seen the latest stuff uh Uncle Jack's been talking about? Really good stuff. >> Jack Cruz. >> Yeah. >> Well, he blocked me and I >> asshole. I got to give him I wish I had a way to give him shit about that. >> I uh he used to respond to me and then we actually had some interchanges and then all of a sudden I I bring up the

Epstein thing. It's like, "Oh no, we can't we can't have this." I don't know what his latest thing is, but I will tell you this. Whatever his latest thing is, I bet it's 80% true and 20% you can't figure it out. >> Well, yes and no. He's he's he's saying Bitcoin is infected on the Bitcoin side. The Ledger's been affected and and he's basically we all know that's the Ebstein MIT stuff. So, he's not he's not, you know, a maxi anymore as far as that >> Are you serious? goes. Yeah, absolutely. He I watched an hourong thing. He went into it for like 30 40 minutes uh in the great detail and equated it much to the way, you know,

you're putting he even had metaphorical to the human body and the way it was infected and the way people purposely did this. He he first time I'm not first time I've ever heard him not be a Bitcoin maxi. I mean, he called me a retard for this. Exact. And I'm sure whatever he's saying now is probably derivative of what I was saying. >> Yeah, it it 100% is. It 100%. But you should listen to it because because you know, he has his own unique insight on that. But he's really been getting into or been talking a lot more about the magnetism, the magnetic field on the earth and how that affects our health and the direct correlation to oxygen intake with with magnetic fields and

stuff. It makes a lot of sense. Of course, as he when it comes to health, it's he is pretty wide on as far as I'm concerned. I'm wearing the same glasses you are. So, >> yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. He's good good in some stuff. Um Yeah. Well, I'll check it out. I mean, if he's if he's changing look, there are a lot of people there's a lot of stuff going on in Bitcoin. I mean, there are other kind of early early devs or whatever. There are other projects, other forks. A lot of people are are uh not happy about the current state of this. I, you know, I even think Simon Dixon, you know, I I look at his stuff and he was giving me a bunch of shit as well. And now all of a sudden he's like,

well, it's it's been captured by these guys. And I'm like, he keep people are I think look, they're trying to find a way to exit, right? they've held this firm position on it and then at some point it's like you got to look at this and just say guys like I don't know what your line in the sand is but um you know >> do you do you watch that or or get follow that guy um Alex E Lorenzo or something >> Alex E >> Lorenzo he's on Twitter but uh he's got I I popped up on my feed a couple two or three weeks ago lots of good info One thing he said today was a lot of institutions are looking at Bitcoin and looking at Ethereum and in order to make

money in in um Bitcoin, you got to sell it. You got to sell your stake. Whereas Ethereum, you you know, you can buy Ethereum, sit on it, earn 3%, and use that as your working capital if you're a large institution and you hold enough. That's kind of the problem what you know Mike Sailor has over at is it micro strategies or whatever. >> It's just strategy now. >> Oh, he changed it. Whatever. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> But you know that's you know he he can't pay bills unless he sells Bitcoin, right? If all his holdings are in Bitcoin. So it really makes institutional sense to hold Ethereum rather than Bitcoin. um which now doesn't have the Ethereum

doesn't have the as much of an Ebstein stigma although there is a connection there I've understood >> oh Ethereum's got its own I mean you can go back to my episode four with Stephen Murio off Ethereum's got a whole bag of problems and you know look they've re and then they've even recently come out and said yeah maybe we were wrong about layer having layer 2 solutions I mean I think Ethereum's got has got trouble again Look, just from the standpoint of reading the room if if you look at what's going on, you're going to need privacy and proof of work is maybe not all it's cracked up to be. I this is why I if you look at the positioning of Zeno with um the two forks that are that are

happening this year and the move to proof of stake, I actually I think people are going to be uh you're going to see a lot of increased demand on this out of necessity. You know, I I just look at the positioning of Freedom Dollar and everything else. I mean, you know, obviously people want stable coins, but I mean, the amount of >> Oh, I think it's going to be huge for Zeno. Uh especially with everything going on. I think everybody moving into the you know, if stocks, securities, commodities are now moved to crypto. I think Zeno is going to have as much or more of a benefit from it on average than than most of the crypto currencies out there uh because of it because of the freedom portion

>> and and I'm sorry Monero is a pain in the ass to use because there's no wallets to use it. >> Yeah. I mean, you know, Monero, well, there's cake and there's edge wallet and um uh but you know, there there is a there is a there still is this kind of dividing line like I it has to be easy to use. This is why I've become interested in the Bitcoin.com wallet recently cuz a lot of the integrations they've done, but I mean that wallet's been around for over 10 years and the whole point of it was from the beginning to help get new people originally involved to Bitcoin and then they've evolved it and they've actually focused on user experience. And so th this is um uh you know again I I I

like all of the wallets so I I use and and I you know speak I want to speak highly of all of them but but the real growth area here is new people getting into crypto. Um >> and um I agree with you the Monero is slow and waiting for the wallet to sync and every everything else that can be that can be a little bit um frustrating from time to time. But I do like I like Monero. Um and >> okay, here's one for you. The like the the um was it Samurai Sushi Wallet? Who were the Samurai Wallet guys got got uh prosecuted and even though they didn't even use it? Um why can't we just use some of these unlocked AIs to hey build me a mixing wallet and mix my Bitcoin?

I used uh I wanted to try out um anthropic what is it? uh Claude free account took me like 14 15 sessions but I had it first build me out of planning doc but I I had it build a wallet that did bid Bitcoin Salana uh Ethereum uh Ravencoin um uh Zano I don't know if it had Ravencoin may not had Ravencoin Zano and all asset functions with swapping between coins functions and it took 14 or 15 section well probably longer that probably because it was over like a week and a half. It's going to have to wait. But it built one. Now I have to run a few nodes to make them all work right. >> Yep. >> But you know, pretty soon even though as

crappy as and they are, I'm sorry, all of them and Claude, even the new Claude, which is so much better than the old Claude. Um, uh, they they write crap. You can't do you cannot do high level complicated coding without knowing coding. >> You do have to have some knowledge of coding. Yes, you that that is that is true. Uh but it is getting but I will tell you it's getting better and and it's getting better at a pretty fast rate and that depending on how you structure your environment and how you set up skills and how you um how you configure things you can get to the point where >> with each with each successive upgrade

in the model you can actually use the kind of the knowledge that you've been building to ramp up. So, I've I've had projects where it's like, "All right, I got stuck here." And then I literally I'll stop on that piece of functionality and wait for the wait for the upgrade of the model and not bang my head out over and and because because I found because I could have spent, you know, a hundred hours trying to kind of figure out how to do it directly, which by the time I would have put that time in, the new model, >> right, >> is released. I've actually I've learned that I have actually I've learned that lesson and I've gotten to the point where I've realized, all right, I'm just

gonna I'm gonna push this to where it is. I mean, because at this point, some of the stuff that I'm doing, I just got another Nvidia DGX Spark. Uh, so I've got a couple of those and and and some other things because I'm running some um agents and some self-learning agents through her Hermes to do certain applications. And it's just like, okay, I and I get to the point where I realize, all right, I'm I'm at the peak of what you can do with this. And >> now, >> do you use Gas Town or or beads? >> No. >> Are you familiar with those? >> I'm not. >> Uh, Gas Town is is an augmenter. Beads is it works with it, too. Beads is is history for Claude. The only Gast Town

and Beads only work with Claude as far as I know, but they're all open source. And it it's Gas Town. So, you're like the mayor and you set up different agents to different sections of your task. and allows them to pass and cross communicate and and do multiple tasks. And uh apparently I have not used it, but Steve Yagi literally wrote the book Vibe Coding is the guy who put put it out there, but if you look up Gast Town, Steve Yagi with a Y- G, I want to say, um you'll see it. that might improve that could be an improvement uh for you in using uh multiple AIs to do multiple

>> I'm adding it to the list. One of the things. projects that I have is a I kind of call it an AI innovation board and the whole point of it is to uh research whatever the latest thing is. It knows my configuration. it knows my hardware and then so I've got a thing where it's like I can go into Telegram and if I see an article uh that I like I put it into into Telegram and then it actually runs through a process where it analyzes how whatever that new functionality is can apply to my setup. And so I'm I'm going to actually um I'm going to put this in there now and see how it how it adds up because this is this is exactly the point that I'm at now. So, I finally having

finished like ver version one of these websites, now I'm moving into automation and um and marketing and really I've done I've done no marketing. I mean, outside of this podcast and there like zero marketing, >> right? Uh, I mean it's not no marketing obviously tweet posts and you know short clips and everything else but I mean I you know I'm going to >> Yeah, but you're not cross-osting to Instagram and and you YouTube shorts much and you know the place and Facebook or whatever. Well, that's Instagram. >> Yeah. You know, part of it is I've ignored in Instagram is is you know part of it is if there's not an API or a way for me to do it in an automated fashion, I don't do it just

because it's too manual. And I've looked at the kind of the trade-off. But now I'm kind of like, all right, let me build a now I can, you know, use browser automation better to even address that problem. So, even if there's not even if there's not an API, I mean, I've got a thing now where it's like, >> you know, if I have to set up >> Rumble or whatever for my podcast, they they don't Rumble doesn't have an API, but now I've got a hack around this where I can like use comment browser or whatever and it just automatically opens up a browser and then automates, you know, that that part of the process. So, now it's it is fully automated. It's just, you know, not through APIs in some

cases. But, I mean, that's like a decision point for me. I switched my podcast hosting platform because it didn't have an API and I'm just not going to I'm not going to sit there and upload just go through the manual process of up which is very time consuming to upload all of the all of the content and so to me if it doesn't have an API it's that's a big red flag but uh >> these days 100%. But I will look at both of these because because I'm just now getting into the managing a multiple agent system and how to structure it properly and what's the right way to have it >> self will help you. Yeah. >> And I just, you know, I just implemented kind of a second brain system into um

using Obsidian that I tie into Claude. And I and I'm spending a lot of time trying to like where I look at this I'm like, okay, this is how I'm using these things. How could I do this better? How do we how do we, you know, work through some of these issues with context windows and how do we improve, you know, the process itself? I mean, I look at how I'm using this. I'm like, okay, I'm doing this repetitive task over and over again. I shouldn't be doing that. There's something wrong with the process. And so, it's constantly now self-learning and storing all of my decisions and how I'm using each of these things. And then it's it's self-improving. So every time I'm using

Claude, it's it's benefiting from what I've learned across all of the different projects in real time. And so now adding agents as the next as the next step, but I needed to get some hardware and some other things. But so I'm pretty excited. So I think that by the end of the summer now, you're it's going to be it's going to be about, you know, marketing. But the emphasis of this is I I do want to focus on action. It's not like I don't care how many people watch the podcast or what the eyeballs are. Are people actually taking action? And look, it's a challenge. You go to this Libertarian Party thing and again if if people just if if you want to just chant and the Fed for 17 years

and make no impact, like I can't I can't fix that. At some point, we we could fix things instantly if people would get off their ass and actually start doing stuff. And you don't even have to do a lot to have a big impact. But people just don't do this. And then we have institutions that are designed around inaction where the social currency is is about I mean it's almost like a you know I don't know it's it's it's commiserating around not being effective identifying a problem but doing everything that you can to avoid actually exercising your free will to solve that problem. >> Yeah. Going through a little heartache putting making it a little uneasy for

yourself. That's the problem. People are don't want to be uneasy. And the people that do do action, well, hell, a good large number of them are on the other side, you know, are the ones in there getting elected and and then spending all our money and sending our kids to war and trapping us and, you know, finance and food. Oh my god, I can't. Food is so bad now. Food sucks so bad. It's so so expensive. >> Oh, it is. It It's >> I mean, they're killing us. >> They are killing us. And again, just, you know, we drove to Grand Rapids, Michigan from New Hampshire, and you know, we weren't staying at a in an expensive hotel, and it's just it's insane how much everything is. And it's

not like it's high-end >> high-end anything, just basic basic things. And um so I I don't know. Uh I so I did talk about I don't know if you heard this but the Brownstone Institute Jeffrey Tucker put out a post about how the purchasing power of the dollar has actually declined 50% since 2019. Not 26%. >> Man, that is like I mean >> that's just I I don't think there's ever been >> for the you know dollar that rapid of a drop and no one's talking about that >> because prices are the same. >> Well, they're not. But I mean >> Well, they're not, but they are. But, you know, that's just it. I'm sorry. Gas prices have been between what? $2.50 50

cents and $4 anywhere outside of California and Hawaii. For what, a decade? Since when did gas prices become $2.80 the first time? 25 years ago. >> Was it that long ago? >> I I don't know. But gas price, that's just it. Gas prices haven't changed uh uh uh that much. And that's people, you know, that's why they always talk about, well, gas prices here. It changes a dollar, it goes down, a dollar, goes up a dollar. And that's what they talk about. That's what they, you know, the perception of inflations um is on set on gas prices. And let's see, 20, what were gas prices in 2005.

>> Yeah, I'm running a >> $2.30, you know, and we hit 280 $3. Peak levels were $330. Uh, so you know that's not that's that's a that's not much lower, you know, than it than it has been under Trump this time. So, you know, it the only thing that's gone down is weed. Weed's cheap. >> Well, I mean, you know, weed may be cheap. TVs are cheap. I mean, >> that's true. TVs are super cheap. I mean certain electronics you know um >> memory is expensive but that may change shortly. >> Yeah memory is expensive but still in general the trends on on electronics

have been have been fairly good. Uh particularly when you consider how the how much more powerful they are relative to cost but yeah know everything out I mean food is absolutely outrageous. Food is food and water I mean if you're buying water which um >> yeah I'm looking >> I don't buy Yeah. No, I filter. We we we got nice filters here that we run all our water through. >> Yeah, we do, too. Even to the point where we take a portable reverse osmosis system with us when we travel. >> Oh, wow. Yeah. I can't do the plastic. I'm The plastics are scaring the shit out. I mean, that's where you get most We used to do nothing but bottled water. And I know that's where I got most of my plastics.

>> Yep. Yeah. Same. So, we got to the point where we were Yeah. we'd go somewhere and we'd or we'd go to Mexico and we'd buy, you know, five gallon or 10 10 liter, you know, things of water. And then finally got to the point where it's like, all right, well, we're just going to get this we got this portable reverse osmosis system with a glass bottle or whatever. And that's actually that's been great because it's you know even when we drive carrying you know a bunch of water because my wife and I both drink a lot of water whether it's for you know tea or coffee or electrolytes or whatever it happens to be it's a lot of water. Um so but I mean if at this point I mean it's like two or

three bucks to buy a small bottle of plastic a plastic bottle of water. It's insane. >> Yeah. You got to stop by the only way but I think CVS buy the 24 pack for three or four bucks. It's the best, too. Or you know what? Take your damn gallon thing. The best water you can probably get is those those filters in at Walmart. Those filter machines. That's actually really good water. >> Yep. >> Of course, you should put salt in it or whatever. Mineralize it a little bit. >> Indeed. So, yeah. I'm looking at a graph of G. Well, I mean, gas was I mean, it was under a dollar in uh like 97 98 it looked like. >> Yeah. You got to go back 30 years, you

know. >> But man, yeah, that was uh from 2002 to 2006. That was that was the biggest gap up. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And then I mean we had the first Trump turn. Didn't it get down to like the 230s or something? It it did. It got down to uh like two $2 at at some point. >> Yeah, you're right. It hit like in Alabama I think it hit like 180 something or something like that. 189 there. >> The biggest increase was uh looks like actually under Bush, George W. Bush and then uh and then now I mean just in terms of the

amount of increase, you know, now under under well Biden was bad. Yeah. I mean >> Biden was really bad >> in in either case, but >> well this is more inflation. George Bush want I mean he openly stated he wanted high gas prices. He thought he thought low oil prices were the problem and he openly stated that. But of course, I don't think that George Bush knew a whole lot about a whole lot. >> No, >> his father and his grandfather now, the Nazi. >> Yeah. >> Which I don't think people realize, and it might be coming back. I mean, obviously, you know, there's a Democratic guy who's a Nazi that's running. Is it up there?

Where's the guy? Is it in Maine? >> Maine. Yeah. >> Is that where it is? The guy is Yeah. I mean, and they're freaking touting this guy. He's a Nazi. Literal Nazi. >> Did you write this? Did you see more Perfect Union's video on multiple legal scams SpaceX plans to use for its IPOs? >> No. Wait, this a comment? >> Yeah. >> No. Where? >> More more. It's the latest one. I didn't It was like, you know. >> Oh, yeah. Let me pull it up. I turned I turned off uh YouTube when I was uh >> Oh, you might not even see it. I'm looking at the Streamyard thing and I got to figure out the comment how the comment >> Oh, yeah. I could look there. I didn't look there. Oh, more perfect unions

video on multiple legal. >> Yeah. Well, they already know that the thing about that it's funny because there's already futures trading on it or there was before. Didn't it come out Friday? Did this happen last Friday? >> I don't know. I I I have not I have actually not followed this. I've been out of >> Well, the the um the false future, fake future, the future is the crypto future that came out. It was a coin started opened up at 150 and it went up into 200 and stayed up there. So, they were actually doing price exploring before the a IPO this way, which was another

brilliant way. And then I'm wondering, okay, if you create a coin and it opens up at 150 and starts trading it, is that mean everybody's buying your coin from you at $150? >> I I don't know. I I I got to I I need to look into I I got to just >> Well, be and think well the thing is this came out at $150 and that put at $150 that put the evaluation of um the SpaceX IPO at like 1.73 or 1.78 trillion. So that means that somebody released coins to that speculation and made that money until the IPO now

and and they've got they've been they're doing the same thing with Anthropic. They're doing it with uh uh Open API, I believe, but there's a few they openly say we're going to release these coins already have futures for uh future IPOs. >> Yep. Pricing and size $135 per share raising 74 to 80 billion valuation of 1.75 to 1.8 eight. Um, let's see. >> Net loss of 4.9 billion where is it in here? If I can get Yeah. SpaceX preipo speculation without

borders. Uh, May 17th, Hyperliquid powered by uh powered trade.xyz XYZ launched perpetual futures contract tracking SpaceX implied preIPO share price under uh SPCX targeting IPO was 1.75 to2 trillion and SPCX launched at the reference price of 150 implying the valuation of 1.78 trillion. It went up to 216 within hours, generating over $33 million worth of trading volume with 21.8 million in open interest.

So with that puts SpaceX at over 2.4 trillion. So guaranteed they're going to look at opening that IPO higher now based on these numbers. >> Yep. And hyperlquid it's doing a contract with who is it? New York Stock Exchange in international brokers run by 11 guys. Can you imagine owning only 11 people work at Hyperlid and you're about to be the largest trading entity on the planet? >> Wow. >> Yeah. This is it's amazing what they're

doing here. And yeah, they're going one for Open API, one for Anthropic. They announced plans to launch those two. Um Oh, CME did away with the uh weekend stoppage of trading on on some things. Let's see. Yep. Stable coins are now accepted in 32 markets. Moody's. The Moody's. I can't believe Moody's is rating these things. Triple A. >> Wow. I mean, come on. >> Well, yeah. I mean, they're paid to do it, of course. Absolutely.

Um, yeah. Goldman, JP Morgan, Fidelity, they're all along with Black Rockck. Yeah. So, I mean, they're basically just taking it overall. There's not going to be any individual investors in any of this crap. >> I mean, >> Nope. and and and the way the DTC is doing it anyway, it's not you don't have any ownership. Your token is simply anformational block. Uh they they're not making their um uh they're not changing the structure of their ownership. Uh yeah, this now the big thing is I I we're going to probably be able to sell our debt

perpetually now, at least for a hell of a long time. But when that fails, that will mean that all the stable coins will fail at once and the entire world economy will fail at that point. more so than they would now. >> You just gota I you know with all the AI over capacity building and everything else in these valuations it this feels like 10x worse than the dot. >> Oh 100%. like I I don't know how it's g like what what the cascade what's going to cause the collapse because you know again I was arguing with somebody the other day

that the fact is that there just there's really no retail there's not really retail it's just if if BlackRock decides hey we're going to invest in data centers now with pension funds then you know what's anybody going to do about it >> you know and the thing is these data centers are not about data AI I it's it's if you look at any of the technology that's out there now um between Extropics new chip between uh WAM's rea uh memory which all these things are in production on the market we're we're we're able to do what these data centers are able to do onetenth the power with no heat you know in RAM.

>> Yep. you know, so they're not building these data centers to make power these AIs. There's there's obviously other reasons and it's of course uh track tracking. I mean, god that flock cameras are bringing in what few pabytes every second I'm sure. Uh because those are exploding everywhere. That's scary. Yeah. 3.3 billion USDT tether since it's been o since it's been operating has been frozen. 3.3 billion worth of tether. Uh >> what total? >> Yeah, since since it across uh it's

across its total operating history. >> Oh, it's more than that >> of just Tether. That's not all stable coins. You think it's more Tether than that? Three billion. >> Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah, that's nothing. That go to um I want to look this up and see >> cuz I got 300 they recently got what that 340 million of Irans. So, if you go to uh freedomdoll.com, there's a uh FUSD versus USDT tab, and it says, well, okay, it's um 4.5 >> okay, >> billion frozen uh of just USDT. Uh it's got a graph of band addresses

over time. >> That would say exceeds over 4.4 billion. Tther's cumulative cooperation with US authority exceeds 2.1 and total global 4.4. >> So this is a good reference site by the way. I check on this periodically. They this is a live tracker so they're keeping up to date >> on uh on all of this stuff. And so people need to pay attention to this. Like I try to stay on top of this, but the Freedom Dollar uh Twitter handle's good too. I think it's called it's freedom dollar five or something like that. But they'll put out um bol and it's like every day it's it's not yeah there are these big ones but like every day there's some uh some amount of uh frozen um are these stable coins and and

it's all over the place. I and people need to be concerned about this and paying attention to this. Like I again the fact that you have people out there cheering, oh we don't have a CBDC, we won and then this stuff is going on is just >> Yeah. Right. >> is just depressing to to to see that to see people cheer this on. I was like, my god, they we they managed to propagandize this to the point where people are cheering on >> and it's written into the law that you have to have this functionality. >> Yep. And and not only that, now the president has said at any point in time if there's an emergency, Congress can meet and make all kinds of changes. >> They wanted they if now all of a sudden

if if you're going to be a stable coin, it has to be programmable. Oh, we have a new emergency. you know, you have to be able to to do a whole wide range of functionality and that that ultimately might drive changes to block to the underlying blockchain consensus models. >> They're paying all the devs. >> There there's very few um like Xanos out there. >> Oh, yeah. >> Doing this for free. Oh, no. There are very very few. Well, I mean, Zeno has a um a fund. There's a dev fund. It's not a completely free. >> No, I'm not saying it should be. I'm just saying that what I'm saying is most

like most of the the devs on the big chains are somehow connected or funded by large corporations or government. >> Yep. >> You know, so I mean, Ethereum, that's the whole, you know, obviously I I've I've I've hate Ethereum since the day I've always refused to own anything Ethereum. I' I've never owned an Ethereum token. I've never bought Ethereum that I I may have bought a couple of dollars one time uh because Coinbase needed me to do it or something. Um >> yeah, I played around with it a little bit just by comparison during the Ravencoin days and I'm just like using the um the W. It's so easy to get hacked. Like it's just the whole thing

is a disaster of an experience. And then the history of it that the Steven Nurio interview that I did just about the the foundation of this and then the fact that they split off and now we have Ethereum Classic and they reversed the transactions. It's like the the whole there's nothing about the structure of Ethereum that makes any sense to me whatsoever. And it's and it's proven to not do what all the stuff. I mean, there was that thing where there was a video of Vitalic scoffing at the fact that Bitcoin had 5-cent transaction fees, right? Obviously, that was very early on in Ethereum's days because Ethereum transaction fees have been ridiculous. I know the one time that I did start

playing around with this, I mean, it's just like when you when you look at what was going on with some of the meme coins and the tokens, yeah, they go up a lot, but the gas fee that you unless you you have to be playing at a significant volume to be able to cover the transaction fees. The the system doesn't make any sense. It's not really workable for >> for day-to-day. But I, you know, again, I I don't know. There's there aren't many uh solutions out there. And there's not a lot of time left. And this capture of stable coins and the integration of this with uh security tokens is it is the big threat. It is the again I I call it the this is the how we will own nothing

and people cheer are cheering it on and it doesn't and and it's really hard to explain. >> Where the hell is Bruce Fenton? >> I mean he's not saying a damn word about >> Yeah. this crap. >> Well, I mean he's been all over the map on this stuff. I mean, he's got on the one hand, you know, he was involved with the Bitcoin Foundation and everything else. And now I think interestingly, you know, I it's he the Massie thing there's weird stuff going on in the Free State Project. There are definitely people that are of their different factions forming, but Bruce is like, I'm done. I mean, he gave Trump like 60 grand and and he did it uh in large part based on the the no wars in the Middle

East and everything else. And now he's just fuming mad. Like he is just pissed. I saw him on a we both went to the Bitcoin conference and we were on the same flight on the way back and he is just um uh absolutely burn it down. You know, what's the point of the Republican party? There's no liberty in the Republican party. Uh, and and I think he's gone more off on the the Iran thing and and the war thing. He's he's not doing much that I see in crypto. I mean, I think he's still doing the Satoshi round table, but I think he's pretty um pretty burnt out and and he's been against the capture of Bitcoin. I mean, he still kind of pushes the propaganda of it, but I'm like,

dude, at what point, you know, I was supposed to be debating him at a panel um a little over a year ago at Liberty Forum and and then he ended up deciding to become a moderator instead. It was going to be Joel and I versus this uh rep Keith Aemon and and uh Bruce and Bruce decided to be the moderator. But, you know, he he's I think he's starting to come around on privacy and and and I you know, I would like to talk to him and have him on, you know, and look, I I would love to have Patrick Burn on as well if we could not talk about all of this other shit. Like I watch I watch these interviews and I'm like and I did you watch that four-part documentary? >> Which one?

>> On burn. On burn. It's It's on It's available in a bunch of places. I saw it on >> Yeah. Is it the Was it the one that he did? that he promoted. >> Uh I don't know if it's the one he promote. Probably. It looked like it was something that uh >> like And there's a younger actor playing him. >> Yeah, there's a younger actor playing him, but yet Michael Flynn plays himself. It's I I think it's the uh is it the enemy with him? >> Yeah, I think I saw that. I did. I thought it was very good actually. The thing that gay Burmy is, you know, is is the uh the Brennan when he came out and said he was hired by Brennan and elevated to a national security asset under Obama. I mean,

there is no more evil deep state person than Brennan. >> Yep. >> You know, and that's I I I consider him worse than Epstein. I really do. Um >> so so the well so the issue with all of this and it's kind of I mean I look at look at this and then I even go back to you know Burn's involvement with Counterparty and everything else and it's just like um all of the time spent on all of this bullshit >> all this cloak and dagger bullshit and and the blockchain tech stack for human civilizations just was just discarded he doesn't So I'd interview him but only on the condition we could actually talk about that because The again, this is why I want to get Chris Horlacer, I want

to get Steve Ner off, and and I want to get Patrick Burn together to compare notes because I'm telling you, something happened on a coordinated basis in 2019 and it was and five Eyes was involved and a bunch of people were involved. They went after Joby Weeks, they went after Bitcoin mining and they went hardcore nuclear to stop these forks of Bitcoin, >> Equit and and Ravencoin T0 that were going to be used for securities. Like they literally I like and because nobody knows about it, that's how badly it was hijacked because it never made it never made any progress, right? Like T0 really made zero fucking progress. Equit got >> I own the stock. I Yeah, I had T0. I

bought Ravencoin on it when that because when Pat soon as Patrick left it, it just basically went into a slow shutdown. >> Yeah, they they took out a bunch of money from the you know NYC. They put that guy in there and everything else in there. What was that guy's name? That Mark uh >> I know JJ John uh was the guy who took it over. But yeah, >> no the the short seller guy Mark um god I think his name is Mark. He he like that. That's weird. I I can't remember the guys and he blocked me twice and now I can't out but but but he's he's a short seller and um and so he was all excited about the New York Stock Exchange getting involved and he

would make fun of Patrick and say well you know he's stoned and >> you know does doesn't know what he's doing now we're bringing in the professionals like I knew when they brought the NYSC in they brought it in to kill it >> and they did I mean like literally I mean it's a it's a joke now I don't even know some of the guys and obviously I was in these groups all the time with all these people that were T-zero dieards and I don't see anything about it in my feed anymore but I these guys are still hoping on this like I don't even know how to like I don't know how you could be this far in like they killed it they absolutely murdered the thing >> the second JJ delayed the digital uh

token six months and then allowed them to settle the shorts in cash the banks allowed them to settle the short positions in cash that was Yep. >> I mean to me I mean for and I had the digital token. I had it all. You know I had DZ I had digital tokens. It was you know that TZ was doing exactly what um you know they're all NY you know NASDAQ and everybody else is doing today. Uh you know they basically could have taken that architecture although they were never really onchain. You know you know none of that stuff was truly on chain right? >> Yeah. No, I'm I'm aware and and and then I'm aware that when the new people got involved and and then Marcus Lammonus or

whatever got involved and I'd see Tron on there. >> Yeah. >> And like they they they just >> lost the plot. Like I mean Marcus I that doesn't understand anything about the context of it. And then when they sold off the Medi thing to be managed by that venture capital fund or whatever, it's like there was zero institutional knowledge carried over whatsoever. And um and there was nobody cheerleading or and none of the people were were left on the project to push it. So yeah, no, it was not on chain. They and they um and then to even get them to consider Ravencoin Cahot, that's the guy's name. Oh, >> okay. Mark Cahot is >> Yeah. Yeah, I know who you're talking about.

>> That guy um absolutely trashed uh Patrick and I mean I he was key and instrumental in I I think the takedown of this entire thing. >> And you know what um his rabbi was in on it um Bertar Hathway guy um Buffett. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. He was absolutely involved in getting Patrick out of out of Overstock in time. And then, you know, I Bruce has basically abandoned Bitcoin. I mean, not Bitcoin, Ravencoin, except kept the keys to the Twitter and and and development and but doesn't do anything. Tron,

I don't I don't have a lot to say about where Tron. I used to like John a lot and then things happened that I don't trust him. >> What What happened? So I you know and I I just I was the cheerleader for it for a long time and then I just kind of like >> Well, there's no development. >> I haven't been in it. We had a we absolutely had agents in the Discord trying to bring down the community because that was one of the in 2018 that was the best community on in Discord. Uh and it really was a lot of excitement, a lot of development. By 2000, by mid 2019, you could see there were people in there actively undermining uh the development and and the

community. And they were smart about it. These were not stupid. These were paid actors who knew how to to be smart, get in, you know, gain a following and and do negative things. And basically it got to where there's no development. Uh, you know, I haven't seen anything new come out of there in in what, three, four years. When when's the last GitHub update? Hans >> Oh, yeah. >> That's why Hans forked it. Hans Hans forked his to another coin. He's still on the development for Ravencoin. There's just nothing, you know, takes two people to approve anything. And Hans is running a chip manufacturer. for the past two years he's been so tied up

doing that. >> Yeah. I know I remember there was all that drama and then there was question about >> trying to implement a dev tax then there was some other issues and they did form the foundation >> then there was blockchain tiger other stuff and it's just like it just never about the blockchain. Yeah, because I know uh I was very good friends with Bush who was the one that got scapegoed at Blockchain Tiger and yeah, the F T0 gave the foundation what $125,000 uh and they, you know, what they spend it on $10,000 a month running servers that were unneeded >> or that you could have gotten for, you know, 500,500 maybe. a couple of cruises that uh and oh and yeah, I think there

was some payments made to the four foundation members. Maybe not all four, but some of those guys received some reimbursements. >> Well, I don't I don't know how much TZ put in, but Blockchain Tiger put in a bunch of money and then >> Yeah, they did. >> And then there was that 3D environment. So, I met Blockchain Tiger. He actually came out and uh he met with me here in New Hampshire and I took him to go meet Bruce and I still don't know what he he died, right? >> Yeah, actually he did wind up passing away. Um they had they started their exchange uh they partnered with Adam Bull who was push who was the guy who wrote the very first exchange for Ravencoin active one that people could

use. major developer, not one of the core developers, but major developer on Ravencoin uh arguably the most active at that time. Uh they took his technology uh partnered with him to be to make the the the blockchain tiger site over in Korea. He actually moved to Korea for a little while for like six months or so and then they threw him under the bus and stole out because he was a partner in that. They took his technology and then they wound up kicking him out of the c out of the company. um completely totally screwed him. Um now I'll give you this. Adam was a bit naive in business. He left himself open to be screwed and you know and and and was going on

faith and then they got hacked because Blockchain Tiger had their token and they got hacked and someone exploited their token and sold a ton of them and I don't think they ever came back from that. But there was also the exploit on Ravencoin >> which was, you know, it takes two devs to approve a an an update, but only one dev approved that update and it was from an account that had never given an update before and had no background. So little strange. >> Well, that that is a little strange. I forgot about that exploit. I you know I just yeah I it it just it got to the point so you know learned a lot

through this process. I I was trying to explain to somebody the other day like why this tokenization story is so important because the nobody's explored the hijacking of it and the hijacking of it again once you bring in the equit thing it's like okay this is actually massive and very sophisticated but the but the thing that I that I one of the big takeaways that I have about just how naive it was you know everybody was talking about oh well it's an open source project no premine you know blah blah blah blah blah and that is not a fucking asset that's not been an Bitcoin. I mean, you know, it's weird. On the one hand, it's like, oh yeah, you know, we're all these cipher punk pro-

capitalist people, but somehow these projects need to be open source than not funded. And it it and clearly that doesn't work, right? I mean, it just you make yourself so open to um to being hijacked because in in the end, people have to get paid and they may be getting paid under the table. They may be getting paid from nefarious actors. it may turn out to be Epstein backdoor through MIT, whatever it happens to be. And that's not a that's not a great model. >> And and the idea that um founders shouldn't have any tokens or skin in the game, like none of it makes any sense. >> Well, that was the great thing about Ravencoin because of the angel investor in in in Patrick. >> Yep.

>> I mean, that was a Cinderella story there as far as the creation of a coin. That was that and that that was the uh um that was the benefit of that. But that man when that went went away and you know I wonder did did anybody approach Patrick about funding the project after he left? >> No he dropped it off and you know I think Patrick kind of took and I didn't I thought this was actually probably of a good view. He I think he took the view when okay he you know Bruce came to it with the idea. He said that's a great idea. He asked who and and Medici and and TZ wanted to work on it. Uh it was strictly volunteer and those five guys uh that were there uh were were the

starting five Tron and I want to say I don't know um Tyler Hess and he's a friend of mine. I know he was working for two Hans I think was at the time working for TZ or Medici one of them. Um but that's how the you know and then he agreed he paid them for that so that they were able to work and do you had five excellent uh blond frogs was one of them uh devs excellent blockchain devs with lots of experience and not young guys uh uh developing it and were fun they were paid and anything they needed to do was Medici had no problem funding it for no coins. So, what other blockchain do you have

that ability to do that on? You don't. I mean, >> no, you don't. No, the story I mean, look, the idea behind I I was all I was all in >> Me, too. >> on Ravencoin. And it's just it's it is a it is a tragedy. Um, >> why did Bruce walk away? That's what I never understood. >> Well, I I don't know either. I and you know I don't know if if we'll ever know but you know he was on the board of TZ and then he wasn't and then so there's a so it's hard to say but then but then he started his uh uh brokerage firm and and and I think in starting the brokerage firm and everything else I mean he was trying to straddle on the one hand you know the Bitcoin maxis which were a

large part of his audience through the Satoshi roundt with the fact that all right well he's launched this coin that's a fork Bitcoin. So, he's got a lot of people telling him it's a shitcoin and then he's got some of the dynamics with T0. So, I I think that in the end, um I mean, you know, how would he stick with it? What would you what would you do because he's regulated, right? And >> allow allow a development team to take it over >> that wanted to I mean, there were volunteers. >> Yeah. I don't know. I I don't know. Yeah, I know you weren't involved at that by that point. You were you had gotten a lot by the 2022 23 you were into a lot of other stuff too. You

weren't as active in the community I don't think at that point. >> Well, I mean I realized that that the I think the thing for me was there was way too much emphasis on making it compliant with the SEC. I I got and I was very public about the fact that look the you know the whole idea early on is like okay you should be able to tokenize a a lemonade stand. I mean the whole idea is you should be able to tokenize anything of any size anywhere in the world and trade it really and the emphasis ended up becoming about compliance and I knew they were not going to win at that there was it was naive to think that Wall Street is going to allow you to come in and build this solution. So it all

became about compliance. And so it's like, oh well, now we've got, you know, messaging, we have the ability to freeze assets, we have all this other functionality. And then the whole the whole key to it was people commenting on, oh well, we we hope we get regular, you know, it's kind of like I I haven't looked at it lately, but I mean, these people are probably cheering on the Clarity Act. And at this point, it's like that that's not the value of the invention. The value of the invention is disintermediating these things and opening up the C. I mean, and you know, we would talk about that in all these different use cases and being able to walk down the street

and invest in your local business and everything else. And then it all became about T0 and it all it all became about public stocks and I just don't even give a shit about that. Like I I I know that that's not the way forward. The way forward is I mean those are companies that are, you know, oh great, now we can comply with tokens that are building people's digital prison. Like I don't even want to be involved in that. And so that became it became way too much about compliance. and not about innovation. And yet somehow even with the focus on compliance, there's no funding. So I just it didn't my I was always interested in small businesses, entrepreneurs, and building outside of

the system and and it just way way warped away from that, >> right? and and it never did finish the the road mapap on a lot of those functionalities and it was you're right it was could be used as a as a awesome business management tool for a lot of different businesses. Uh Ravencoin had a lot of potential in a lot of for a lot of things. >> Oh, it did. And it had a partnership with that other company in Utah that was working with um limited partners with managing tokenizing uh limited partnership ownerships in venture funds and everything else. Like there was some actual >> um stuff going on. >> There was the real estate stuff, there was the venture capital stuff, there was

there was some stuff and then you know but then there was the Tanagra resorts and then there was the diamond. I think that D that shit turned out to be a scam. I think >> it wasn't the diamond. It was It was um an emerald >> or was it an emerald? >> Largest emerald in the world. Yeah. >> I was it I mean I I don't even know. >> I don't Yeah. Is that true or was it just fake? >> No, it really was. I think it was >> it was Millennium something or other. >> Yeah. and and they were going to tokenize it and it would go on display at different and for a price at different museums and you'd get a portion of that and if it ever sold you would apparently get your, you know,

your your token your money back in that. As far as I know, it was legit. I don't know if it ever got off the ground. Gen like what George was doing with um ironclad uh homes uh buying slots uh which I thought was a good use case. Uh >> yeah. Yeah. There were a lot of good use cases and and they all end up getting shot down because of regulatory I that and and it and it ended up getting to the point where you would have been cheaper not tokenizing and and so at some point that I'm kind of like okay we actually just need to reinvent these this is why I'm doing what I'm doing now. These need to be parallel systems. This is not about complying with >> and hell wait we got utility tokens from

the SEC. We got we we got regulation now. We can use them. >> Yeah. I mean I just >> what a what a rugpole. >> Well, I'm seeing I'm seeing now that Zcash is down 31% of apparently an exploit has been found. >> Oh shit. Really? >> I'm I I'm seeing this the chart. I saw I'm gonna Let me confirm this. Um >> did someone get a hold of anthropics mythos and go after it? Um, I'm not a fan of Zcash, but I I don't, you know, >> you know, it's funny. I remember listening to NPR when that guy who created Zcash was

creating the final key and destroying it, >> you know, because apparently there was like five Genesis keys or something like that or six and they were made by six different people >> and then destroyed so that that that you couldn't, you know, no one could ever crack the code. Obviously, you say they did. I mean, you know, I I think that the fact that it's not private by default, the fact that the WL boss twins are involved, there's a most recent um remediated soundness flaw in the current status. No evidence of exploitation. All right. I don't know if this I don't know. Maybe it's not as big a

deal. I mean, it's still down. >> Yeah. Bitcoin's that what's Bitcoin at? It was down. It's been in the 60s, low 60s. >> Yeah, I posted was at 61 yesterday. >> Yeah, >> it went it bounced up a little bit, but um you know, again, who's b who at this point is buying like >> Yeah, exactly. Bitcoin die off and and you know, what do we need Bitcoin for? What do we need Bitcoin for? Nothing. Well, I think there's one last exit pump, which is the Clarity Act to get >> Yeah. 401ks, but but but it it is an exit pump like it's not a Do you think the Trump family do you think Lutnik's going to hold it for and not sell? I

mean, you know, Sailor sold some after saying you never sell. >> Yeah, but how is he going to pay bills if he doesn't >> borrow more money the same way he's buying Bitcoin? >> Exactly. just borrow and borrow and borrow. >> Like the whole thing is st the I think the Bitcoin through uh uh treasury company idea is the is the dumbest like it's it's the it's latestage.com level. I I saw an interview with a guy it just well the benefit of a treasury company is you can get yield. Where's the yield come from? New investors. I'm like holy shit. What is Yeah, you hold and the issuer gets to keep all the interest. >> That's >> Yep.

Yeah. I mean, if you get what's the point? Can't have a savings account? Can't stake it. >> Exactly. It's just, you know, whatever. Well, we're what we are where we are. But hopefully on this podcast, people will be getting the these the Googleled phones, ditching the dollar, ditching the health care system. Hopefully, we can get some momentum going on that. >> Yeah. Okay, I got to ask this question. How is it that the freedom phone and I'm saying yours, but there's graphine phones are on a Google phone, which is Pixel, right? >> Yep. >> I mean, that that that just is kind of oxymoron. We're we're not going to use their software, but we're going to build on their hardware. And you don't have

another choice really. It's got to be graphine. >> Yeah, it's got to be graphine. I know. I That is a That is That's where we're at. Um, it's it's not ideal, but it is it is what it is. And I'm actually trying to figure out a workaround to use the Zback card with a watch and a sandbox and everything else like that. None of this is ever easy. Um, but uh yeah, but I've got mine. I've got mine and my wife has hers and I I've been I've been using it. It's uh I I I like it. So, it's going to be It'll be interesting to see how the transition goes. >> Yeah. We me and the chick have been looking at uh switching over when we get our next phones when these break.

>> Well, I recommend the daylight freedom phone. >> Well, yeah. No, obviously that's one that that's that's where I mean we want to go privacy phones and why wouldn't we use yours? I mean, I can't see any reason why we would because we do Zano and we do most of the things, you know, I've got a cake wallet, an edge wallet, just like you've already got them loaded on there, so it makes things a lot easier. Well, it's a little late here, but thank you. >> Yeah, I gonna say I got a cut out. It is late and it's been a good show, though. I appreciate the all the things you've been doing. >> Awesome. Thank you. >> All right. >> And uh good luck with the run. Uh see if

we can't get some more word out there and uh have you shake the trees a little more. >> All right. Sounds good. Have a good night. Bye. Oh.

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