The Aaron Day Show Episode 10: Living Free on Crypto, Gold, and Silver

Hey, we want to help. We want to be part of. We want to do. So, you know, let's get on it. But we want to make sure it's a decentralized effort, you know, I get the sun in my eyes. kind of. Decentralized effort that we want to make sure that we're. The monetization of it, and captures of whatever the heck, and the website of we've been working on it. And there's more stuff in there, and attachments, and two, and kind of, it's a thing. So it's OccupyTheLand.org. So I guess this is a first announcement. People can go there and start subscribing, and donating, and doing, and whatever. We still need to incorporate a lot of decentralized crypto options and things.

But I did want to talk about this. Aaron Day is a big crypto guy that was good friends with Roger Ver. I had Roger on March, April about his book, Hijacking Bitcoin. And it happens a lot. I have these guys on and they get arrested. So he got arrested. There's a knock at the door and I hear some sirens outside. Let me be right back. Don't laugh. Anyway, so Roger is very open, you know, when we talk, which has been now dozens of times. You can go on the site search a lot of stuff for decades. You know, we've had Roger and I. And what Roger did in hijacking Bitcoin detailed what's been really going on behind the scenes.

That's why I call it, you know, you know. GoldmanSucks.gov coin. I mean, I can see what's coming. So Central Bank Digital Currencies is going to be, I don't know, might be called Bitcoin. certainly they understood But, you know, that this is coming. Now, Aaron Day is a freestater, crypto super geek influencer I got in Don't Sell Your Bitcoin. But he's been living on crypto and precious metals since nineteen. And he's intimated to me, said, look, man, it's getting more and more difficult, not easier. they want to incorporate. This is, you know, I know. They want to shoehorn it Yeah. into the legacy banking system. So there was a crypto that was designed kind of like a lot of these are the ones

that I invest in. I'll get the two cent crypto, you know, crap coin, you know, because it has some promise of, you know, what it's going to be used for. Well, Zano, Z-A-N-O is one of these that Roger introduced to Aaron. Aaron intimated on our show, he started, he goes, no, we need a Manhattan project. This needs to be all hands on deck. We got to save America, you know, the planet, you know, from they, them, those. So what he did is he put this call out and there were people, listeners of the show. Hey, we want to help. We want to be part of what we want to do. So, you know, let's get on it. But we want to make sure it's a decentralized effort, you know, kind of. I get the sun in my eyes.

Decentralized effort that we want to make sure that we're, you know, with the right team here. So they got in communication and working and so on. And he did. Aaron wanted to make some t-shirts, too. You know, the revolution will be tokenized. We'll use the Levolution logo. Peace, man. But I get a free t-shirt, I don't care. so I just want to make sure So they're doing banner ads I get a t-shirt. for this project that we'll be putting on Freedom's Phoenix. I'm just going to have to light to go off. wait ten minutes for that But this has been right in line with what we're trying to do. Occupy the land is not just a homesteading thing because Maine, they're not going to be

building the way I'm building anyway. But the point is, is that you have a decentralized communication of civilization and commerce between individuals and an intranet or a local area that we can promote with our newspaper this spring. So this communication, decentralization of ones and zeros, and it not be censored, and all that kind of stuff, which is why I did a show, Pirate Boxes Turned Into Censor Guard, which is content safe, and Matt, and those, all this stuff we're incorporating into Occupy, because we know what's coming. What's coming is, them those don't like it. That's what's coming. They don't want you doing whatever you want to do. So what we're doing is,

I don't want to get up and go, I'll just move over here. But the one thing that we wanted to make sure we did was an inspiration for people to be able to understand the use and the value of decentralization and communication, not only among a community, but that community with other communities. so that you have commerce. Now, this is what Zando is kind of about. One of our supporters sent me a article by Aaron that was converted, just like you were talking about your sub stack, that the text, your audio can be converted into text. Well, they could turn text into audio read by an MP three AI or whatever the hell. So I'm going, all right, cool. So they sent that to me. I listened to that.

And this is promotion, everything that we talked about on the show. So we have banner ads that's going up tonight for Zando and this project, T-shirts that they're starting to make, and the decentralization of what's going on Occupy the Land. So if you go to OccupyTheLand.org, I mean, we just turned it on, like, I don't know, a couple hours ago in anticipation of this. So what we're going to do is people start to sign up. We'll start promoting it on the site and on the telegrams and all the communication thing. But what I need and what support that I'm looking for, anybody wants to give me money, you're more than allowed. But what I really need is the participation that

people have good ideas that I've done this. I researched this. I got this information to share with the community, which has always been the best thing that we get anyway. So that is it. But no negative waves. The outs quitted. If you're doing it wrong and where's your permission slip? any of that delete next band done. You know, I don't got time. You know, this is man. We're we're in it. Here it comes. You know, so. you'll owe nothing and here's your happy shot is here, which is what that letter by Aaron was about. And he referenced the great taking that was with David Webb. David Webb and I did it last year. And, you know, yeah, I understand exactly what you're talking about. So when I did,

he kind of stopped doing interviews after he did Red Pill. We hooked up Aaron Day to go do Red Pill. And so these guys got to share this information. And everybody's starting to understand how they intertwine and overlap. And David Webb was like, you know, I kind of stopped interviewing Dunn. I'm a hay farmer now in Sweden. But I wanted to come on your show because I knew you understood the importance of this. So that's where we're at.

I didn't even do anything wrong on January six and look what they did to me. I got a weird Bitcoin donation. They did investigate it, came up with nothing because it was legit. I mean, you know, once the statute of limitations runs out, I'll show you all the receipts. You know, somebody gives me a huge crypto donation and I literally had no contact with the guy. He sent me two emails, uh, He sent me an email on my birthday. He said, hey, what's your crypto address? I sent you money for your birthday. Thanks. And it was like three grand. Never heard from him. Then in December, he sent me an email. Hey, I sent you some crypto. And it was thirteen and a half Bitcoin and he killed himself.

And I didn't even know who he was. story until it got reported later, I didn't even know that a month later, when Shane Alice's, which is associated with the CIA, did a whole report on it because they thought they thought it was foreign funding. But it wasn't. It was legit. Some guy just gave me money and I happen to be at Stop the Steal. It literally was wrong place, wrong time. And the feds thought it looked suspicious, and it did look suspicious, but they investigated it. They froze the funds that touched the Bitcoin that I sold, and they unfroze it six months later, almost to the day. Because that was, you know, whatever the procedural rule was, if you don't file a charge,

you can't freeze the money indefinitely. The funds remain in the bank. They froze it. Six months later, they didn't charge me because there was no crime. You know? And, you know, but nevertheless... People said I was in the building when I wasn't. There was that hoax where that guy with the scarf was pictured in the Baked Alaska stream. Everyone said it was me. That got me banned on a bunch of shit. It wasn't. So I literally just got caught up. I got swept up in it. That's all it was. And it totally fucked me over for years. I just got crushed. It was such a massive deal. Like January six, when you think about the significance of it, The seat of the government was attacked by a mob.

And who knows what really happened? Were there agitators? Was there foreign funding? But it was a very grave matter. Who knows? It's why they had the DOJ come after everybody. And I was just one live streamer kid who got fucking crushed in it. It looked fishy. They were coming for everybody. I got swept up in it. They declined to charge me because they found out I wasn't anywhere near the building. I did nothing wrong, but it didn't prevent that from fucking up my life. That's why this whole thing makes me apprehensive because just like before, even though I'm not really doing anything wrong,

you see the money that comes in. It's super chats. And we did a money bomb stream in December. They got ten million dollars sixty grand on our annual fundraiser. and made a hundred and And I'm not saying I'm ungrateful, but that's the kind of money they pour in to get ten thousand views on YouTube.

How about now? There we go. Sorry about the technical difficulties, All right. It's been one of those days. everyone. Still not sure entirely what happened. Had to reboot the computer. Any event, here we are. Welcome to episode ten of the Aaron Day Show. There's quite a bit to go through tonight and grateful for everybody that could tune in. The numbers are actually, the amount of shadow banning is insane right now. So traffic is still down ninety. percent actually at this point. So hopefully more people will join. If not, we must be doing something right if they keep on shadow banning. of this information out tonight. So hopefully we can get some What I'm going to work on

tonight is kind of a dry run. So I'm doing a mini workshop tomorrow and I'll get into I'll just walk through these slides. that in a second. Kind of the original thing is, So tomorrow I'm going to be at the Peak Prosperity Annual Summit. So this is Chris Martinson's big annual event, and he's going to have two hundred and twenty five people there. It's a whole weekend thing on a campground with an area to present. And I have two entire segments to present. So I I get about two and a half hours, which which is great, although. The normal workshop is four hours. And on top of that, as it turns out, I have completely reworked

the entire content of the workshop. There is not a single slide that is the same. There is not a single part of the solution that is the same. Literally, the tools that I use that I live on using crypto gold and silver have all changed. I mean, with the exception of goldbacks, they've all changed since the last workshop. So today I'm going to go through a truncated version of the presentation that I'm going to do this weekend. And his group is already highly educated on this stuff. I mean, Chris has been talking about CBDCs, and I actually learned a lot about the great taking from Chris. So I'm walking in there. So I'm not going through the full four-hour workshop.

I'm just going to go through a quick snapshot of what's in the workshop. Then I'm going to talk about the new stuff that I've put together, the stuff that actually last couple of weeks, I've been talking about the but I've been reformatting a little bit. And then we're gonna go into the actual solutions itself. So I'm gonna work with you guys. Hopefully there are enough people online at that point to go through the process of trying to set up a wallet. I'll send the folks on here, some Zano, some Monero and walk through what I'm gonna show people tomorrow and at the workshops in terms of how you can actually live on these alternative assets. And I've created a new section of the website,

which I'll show you that keeps everybody up to date on that as well. Just as a recap, a lot of events, endless supply of events. The Bitcoin Cash Conference event, I'll be at October twelfth to the fourteenth in Buenos Aires. Monerotopia, November the fourteenth to the seventeenth. The Brownstone Institute big annual conference is in Pittsburgh, I think November first and second. We'll be in Mexico three times, it looks like, in the next four or five months, January twenty ninth through February the second for the people's reset. Then we have our workshops. And so don't forget. So we've created there's a URL. If you go to Daylight Freedom and then you click on Empower,

you can actually see all of the active workshops that we are currently selling tickets for. So we have three now. So this is pretty exciting. I've got another one to announce today. And then we're actually working pretty eagerly on figuring out what the next three are going to be. And I can't stress enough how much these are all based on demand. So somebody came to me today and said, hey, I'll let you use my office to host listen, this event in San Diego because somebody else in San Diego said, hey, I worked on a bunch of COVID tyranny stuff. And I have a whole list of businesses that we've worked with on events in San Diego. So that immediately puts San Diego at the top of the

queue for what we're going to do next. And so now we're thinking about planning events around, you know, the way out on the West coast, if we're going to be all maybe do San Diego and LA and Phoenix, or, you know, maybe, you know, put Hawaii in that whole excursion. So that's exciting news, but, Go to daylightfreedom.org and then you can see the forward slash empower, links to all of the different Eventbrites where you can buy tickets. And so now we're at the early bird ticket stage for New Jersey. So the super early bird ended last week, and I think there's another week left for the super early bird pricing. So you're going to want to get in on that. We have the event in Omaha

on November the ninth. So you'll want to, again, you can see the same link for that at daylightfreedom.org forward slash empower. And then the newest event is we finally have figured out the logistics for our Nashville workshop. And so we are going to be in Nashville on December the fourteenth at the Nashville Public Library or Nashville Public Library. I think that can accommodate two hundred and thirty people, something like that, and five sponsors for tables. And so Very excited about these workshops and very excited about how the content and the solutions are progressing as well. Let's see. All right, now let me skip to a different

presentation. I'm gonna see if I can share a keynote. Okay. Okay, bear with me one second here. Okay. See if I can share. That wasn't quite what I was looking for, let's see. There we go.

so now I'm gonna walk through kind of Okay, the basis of the presentation for this weekend and we'll see what that how that looks oh I will say this I also just ordered some t-shirts um see these it says the revolution will be tokenized uh if you saw the intro clip ernie hancock was talking about that he actually was the one who originally came up with the the Ron Paul Revolution logo. So I asked him for permission to use that and he was gracious. And so that's gonna be included in these t-shirts moving forward.

So, well, that's gonna take up the whole screen. So, I mean, I might be able to do it over here. Let me see if this works. Nope. I'm working on about four hours of sleep in the last three days, so I do apologize for this. It's starting to go a little bit. So as I'm going to walk through this tomorrow, again, I'm going to give them a very quick summary, not the four-hour summary, but just to explain really what's in the book and what it's all about. And in fact, I'm going to give them more of the conclusions rather than the buildup.

And so I'll go through that here as well. So the whole premise here is that what we're facing is by default, a global technocracy. So unless we stop the wheels that are already in motion, what we can anticipate is a global digital currency backed by energy credits and a social credit system that is based on the UN. Seventeen sustainable development goals. They've been building the surveillance infrastructure for this for decades. I mean, there are already six hundred sixty million surveillance cameras in China. We're getting pretty close in terms of per capita surveillance cameras in the United States. Snowden already told us how much is happening with respect to surveillance.

And so this isn't a future thing that's already happening. They've been building the surveillance state right under our nose. I mean, even with COVID contact tracing and cameras on traffic lights, the whole nine yards. I'm going to walk through who's behind CBDCs and technocracy and what their motives are. the global state of CBDCs, I'm going to walk through the demise of the dollar, the great taking, which this group knows all about, an explanation of cryptocurrency and why it's important, gold and silver, as a currency, past, present and future. And then we get into the hands-on part, actually going to do live today. which is what we're

I am gonna focus on the presentation tomorrow. And I think for the workshops moving forward, what I've talked about on the last two podcasts, because I really want to reiterate this. I can't say this enough. And I know Dan's on here. I mean, we've had a lot of people that have said, oh, well, you know, we don't need to worry about CBDCs. And or when I talk about tokenization, people will say, well, tokenization isn't necessary. We don't need tokenization. And it's so it's important to go through this material to understand where we are and the fact that Uh, these things are actually inevitable. So, so the first part of this, I'm going to stress the fact that, uh, for decades we have been, um,

giving up our rights. We sign these agreements, these click wrap agreements every year, we typically sign and actually, let me see if I can, um, We signed between one hundred and fifty and four hundred click wrap agreements every year. So licensing agreements and you name it. And so we give away our privacy. We give away our rights. We give away our intellectual property, our data through these agreements. And we have no idea. And nor could we, because if we actually read every single one of these contracts, it would take an hour a day. So that's really not feasible. And so with that, that was actually not a good move.

All right. So, I mean, as an example, the Microsoft agreement is seventy pages. Amazon has a twelve thousand word agreement. Banking agreement is thirty pages plus. And this thing that recently happened where Disney is somebody died eating Disney's restaurants and something at one of they're trying to use the terms of service for Disney's online subscription service as a way to weasel out of it. So you literally don't know what you're signing or how these multinational corporations are even I mean, who even knew Disney owned a restaurant? I mean, it's actually even hard to know how these agreements might extend.

And so understanding that the world has moved to these digital agreements, people have signed their rights away. Then there's an important next point, which is that all global commerce runs on mostly centralized databases. And as I'll talk about in a minute, even money itself is just simply run on a database. Money is printed out of thin air as database entries. And as you go through every industry, the automotive industry, car titles, land titles, every industry you go through, what you find is at the heart of it, the transactions and the records of the transactions. And who owns what is actually stored in a database. And if that database is breached, then that is the official

record of ownership. And so if the database is faulty, then do you even own your stuff? And that's actually a very important part to understand about what's going on and why CBDCs and some of this technology is such a significant threat. So when we look at databases, centralized databases, there's already significant loss. In twenty seventeen, there was an estimated one trillion dollars in financial loss from database corruption. And that's jumped to an estimated ten point five trillion by next year. And of course, you've probably seen that. It seems like every day. I mean, I follow some of these specific accounts on Twitter that involve dark web hacks. I mean, they list, oh, you know,

this insurance company's database is being sold for I mean, this amount of money. you could actually track this stuff online. But I mean, we've seen everything from the Social Security office to obviously Expedia, everybody's credit card information. And I don't know about you guys, but it seems like every service that I have has had some kind of massive breach that wasn't even specific to me. It seems like whether it's a Microsoft service or whatever it is, I think I've had to change most of my passwords this year. So that, again, is an example of everything is running out of a database. Your customer information is stored in these databases. And then on top of that, you have all these

intermediaries around these databases and middlemen and lawyers and that are kind of governing the use of the database and the access of the database. And so that is how the economy works today, mostly on these centralized databases. the idea behind tokenization Tokenization, is that it's supposed to be an improvement over centralized databases. When you read the Bitcoin white paper, the idea behind it is databases I mean, can be manipulated. You can edit and alter the records in a database. And that's problematic because that allows people to manipulate the information. The idea behind a technology like blockchain technology is, as in the case of Bitcoin, every ten minutes

a new block is added of transactions to the database and it's decentralized. So everybody that is mining and everybody that has node gets all of the new transactions every ten minutes and you can't reverse the transaction. So this is a big update over the centralized database model because it's immutable and it's decentralized. And so that really mitigates a lot of the issues that people are having with the centralized databases. And so tokenization is not necessarily a bad thing. Tokenization is actually it can be a good thing or it can be a horrible thing. It can either be a force for freedom or it can be a force for tyranny. But make no mistake, it's going to happen simply

because centralized databases don't work. I mean, if you're at the point where you're losing ten and a half trillion dollars, um in financial losses related to these centralized databases that's not a very good model and it's not a sustainable model so something's got to change and so then the question is you know which way are are we going to go and there are several different ways to go with tokenization you can have completely closed systems which is what is being proposed by For instance, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and MIT, they have something called Project Hamilton. That's one of the CBDC pilots, although I would say and I will call it enhanced CBDC

because we really already have a CBDC. They're just adding layers of tyranny to it. But this is a system that is a closed system. permission to use the system. So you have to get And the information about the transactions is not publicly available. So But it uses this kind of distributed ledger technology. It's just it's not open access to everyone. Then there are open systems like Bitcoin and Ethereum where everybody can see the transactions and it's fully transparent. And I want to stress that a lot of people are still not aware of the fact that this is how Bitcoin and Ethereum operate. Your transactions are there out in the open. And yes, you can take extra steps and extra

measures to make your transactions private. But most people haven't, smartest people that have including some of the been involved in Bitcoin for the longest period of time. And I'm talking about OGs that have been involved in this going all the way back I mean, Ross Ulbricht, Ian Freeman, to twenty ten. a lot of other people. And what we're finding is the government is using chain analysis. to go back and, you know, ten years, look at transactions and track transactions from ten years ago. So it really is a surveillance system when you have everybody's transactions every ten minutes being added to a database that can't be erased or edited. And then that information is

spread all over the world. That's not a private system. So I want to be very clear about that. You may think that that's a good thing. You may be excited about that, a world of complete transparency. But if you were not aware of it, become very aware of it, because a lot of people are feeling the consequences of not having been aware of that. Then we have something called transparent and gated. And so this is something like Tether or stable coins where you can see the transactions. You still have some level of centralized control over the system. It's not completely permissionless. then you have what are called privacy focused open systems and so this is something like zano or

monero these are uh cryptocurrencies that anyone can use uh there's no blocking access to it anybody can use it and and well they're open but not open in the sense that you can see the transactions so uh but they're open and they're not centrally controlled so this is something that's private and decentralized and then there's what I'll call the end game and again I'm gonna I'll harp on this which is that It is very true that the end game of this is one global digital currency backed by energy credits. And unless we focus on that and understand that, we won't understand the motivations of what's going on. And I see a lot of people that ascribe positive motivations. Like, well,

central banks and governments are going to want to use the best technology. So my blockchain is the fastest. My blockchain is the cheapest. They're certainly going to use that. Their intention is not to find the most efficient. technology. Their intention is not that they're not interested in what the market would pick. They're interested in using the new enhanced central bank digital currencies for control because they have a very specific end game, which is to implement a technocracy with where scientists and engineers basically make decisions for everyone. So that's really important to understand. And in essence, so we already have CBDCs and you're going to see this kind of evolution.

So the federal government already to explain this, ninety two percent of our money is already digital. Only eight percent is cash. I'm sure if you think about it, most of the bills that you pay are online or electronic, even if you I mean, I know a lot of people will pay, you know, you'll pay to get your hair cut or you'll pay to get some professional services with small businesses using cash. That's great. And that's But that's I mean, as a percentage of your overall expenditures, when you look at rent and everything else and insurance that you buy, it's like it's almost nothing. So and even that one way that I like to describe how people should start looking at cash is cash is just a

paper token that represents a database entry in a centralized database. And I'll go through there actually some things too that are being done to make that even physical cache trackable. So then the next level of this is programmability and tokenization. So you can program the current system. People have been programming Oracle databases and Microsoft databases for decades. There's a little bit more granular programmability if you implement a blockchain based system or implement a system that can have smart contracts. But make no mistake, you don't need smart contracts or a blockchain to have programmable money. We already have programmable money. but that is something that

will make it easier to implement kind of this full surveillance state. And I'll kind of talk about the tiers of that. And then there are assets, non-monetary assets that can be tokenized. So money represents five percent of global assets. Everything else makes up the rest. Cars, houses, artwork, basically everything that you can imagine is an asset and it can also be tokenized. And it's important to understand that the same people that are working on CBDCs are also working on building a platform where they will tokenize other assets, stocks, bonds, titles to homes and everything else, and put it on the same system with CBDCs with the same tracking, the same censorship and the

same programmability. They really are trying to make one global ledger that is interoperable all over the world and it's even called the regulated liability network which you can look up yourself and see who's behind it read their white paper uh the the their approach here is very much they are anti-crypto They believe that the basis of money should be, it's why it's called regulated liability network. Central bank liability should be the basis for the financial system. And then they want that to be what is tied to all other real world assets in this centralized system that only they control. So it's boring in some respects, but there are some quotes in that regulated liability

network white paper that will surprise you. And then there are privacy tokens, which is what I'm excited about why I say the revolution will be tokenized, because I actually think this is the most exciting technology and potential solution out there. That's why I talk a lot about Zeno. I'm for multiple assets, gold, silver and multiple cryptocurrencies. But the reason that I like Zeno is that we have to address not only tokenized money, which is what a CBDC is, but we also have to address other tokenized assets. And so the great taking, which I'll summarize very quickly is just basically since the large financial firms have been working on manipulating the laws at the state level,

UCC codes to structure these relationships in a way such that when there's a really major financial collapse, again, you won't own your stocks, your bonds, your four one Ks in a bankruptcy situation. the secured creditor, which is the large banks will end up owning all of your assets. And so that's essentially what they have been building and designing legally. And again, this is also a click wrap agreement because a lot of the agreements that you have with your online broker or your four or one K, these are agreements that you, likely executed online using another click wrap agreement. And so you have no idea that behind that click wrap agreement, it basically already says

you don't vote the shares in your four or one K. And now because of these other changes that went on behind the scenes over the last thirty years, you don't even realize that when the economy collapses, you don't own the shares either. So you don't have the voting rights today and then tomorrow you won't even own the economic value. And so the process for how we're going to get to Klaus Schwab's, you know, you'll own nothing, is they implement CBDCs of a particular type, put it on a platform with the tokenization of all of your other assets, They do this on a country by country, region by region basis. They connect all of those things. And then in a collapse,

literally with a click of a button, they can transfer people's assets from our own individual ownership to whatever the new crisis structure is in a technocracy. So that's the quick thing on that. And the solution which I'll get to later is, in my opinion now it's privacy coins and precious metals, which we'll walk through. um and I'm not going to go through all of this again but but again we already have a cbdc the money's already digital it's already issued by the central bank yes we also have commercial banks that issue digital currency which is backed by the digital currency of the central bank but of course commercial banks own the central banks so the idea that oh well we're going to

not have central banks creating digital currency we're only going to have commercial banks having issuing digital currency makes no sense as some kind of win or anything that actually protects consumer privacy or is a win in any way shape or form it's actually a difference without a distinction and so I I really want to stress that because I think that we've been hoodwinked into thinking that CBDC is something we should worry about in the future, when in reality, it's something we should have been worried about twenty years ago. And now we're halfway between, you know, when CBDC started and complete tyranny, like we're in the midsection of this. And, you know, a CBDC, again,

doesn't have to be a blockchain. The existing system with Microsoft and Oracle databases suffices. You can still have cash and have a CBDC. There have been eleven countries that have implemented CBDCs and none of them have outright banned cash. And so it's something that you can have CBDCs with or without cash. And I would argue that that's an element of how tyrannical your CBDC is, but not a measure of if you have a CBDC. You also don't have to have accounts directly with the Federal Reserve. Banks aren't going away. There is no implementation of a CBDC that involves getting rid of the banks where customers only have direct relationships with the CBDC. That's not even contemplated.

You're not going to get a mortgage from the Federal Reserve. You're not going to get a car loan from the Federal Reserve. Banks will still be part of it. And again, they are still part of it because we already have a CBDC. CBDCs will add, a lot of people are concerned, well, CBDCs will add programmability. It'll control our spending, it'll track our behavior, and it'll be used to implement incentives and penalties to change our behavior. We already have that today with health savings accounts, which are already structured so that It's through a bank, Optum Health is the largest with five million customers and you have a card and you can only use that card to buy certain healthcare

related things at certain times from certain places with certain limits and expiration dates. So I showcase this just to say that we already have digital money, it's already programmed. So if a politician is trying to convince you that they put in an anti-CBDC bill to stop from having your money programmed, understand that it's already going on within the existing system. There is no technological change fundamentally needed to achieve the level of tyranny that everybody's In fact, already worried about. I'd argue that it's probably already going on. Surveillance is the big one. And again, the politicians from Ted Cruz to Elizabeth Warren, they all come out and say, oh, we have to protect

uh, you know, Americans financial transactions and financial freedom from intrusion. But then usually we'll say intrusion from the central bank is if, as if the central bank is the one that has the motive to go and look at everybody's transactions and control everybody's behavior. In reality, this is just a partial list of all the different ways we are already being surveilled financially. And I won't go through all of them, but there's the standard one. Oh, yeah, they can get a subpoena in court order, but that's probably the one that's used the least. They're actually violating our rights outright on a regular basis. We have bank secrecy reporting acts. So when you spend a certain

amount of money, it's automatically recorded and things are automatically triggered. So that's by default. The Patriot Act has given them leeway I mean, we basically I would argue we lost the Constitution and lost the Fourth Amendment, amongst other things, on nine eleven. And I think the Patriot Act, which was passed forty five days after nine eleven, really probably marked the end of the Bill of Rights. And you see that all over the place when you see the other items on here related to related to financial surveillance. So much of this financial surveillance that we have right now is directly tied to the Patriot Act and the rationale behind it was all related to the Patriot Act.

So as we, you know, as yesterday was the milestone for that, keep that in mind as I talk about the fact that we have NSA bulk data collection, we have national security letters where they can come in and seize your money and you can't talk about it to anyone, including a lawyer. We have civil asset forfeiture, which, many of our friends are have you know, been the victims of, especially in the in the crypto space. We have swift monitoring. A lot of these things are international agreements. So there are mutual international agreements that give the ability for other countries to come in and kind of violate our rights and do some kind of backdoor way of getting at our information and then.

Probably the most oppressive one just on its face is the fact that now the IRS can use AI to monitor and track all of our financial transactions, and banks are already doing that. Banks are already giving the IRS access to our financial transactions, and now that they can use AI, it's very easy for them to detect everything about our transactions. And by the way, the IRS is also doing this with large crypto exchanges. So when somebody says to you, I'm worried about if Ted Cruz says I'm worried about protecting the financial freedom and protecting Americans from financial surveillance, how much worse does it get than this? Everything's automatically tracked. They're already using AI and

then they can come in and actually shut down all of your stuff and you can't even talk to a lawyer about it. I mean, that's pretty high level of tyranny. That's a pretty high level of surveillance. It actually doesn't get too many more shades darker than that, So important to keep that in mind. in fact. And so I've come up with this entire index based on a variety of criteria, surveillance level, control mechanisms, cashless or not, whether it uses tokenization, whether the digital currency is issued by the central bank or with a commercial bank or both. whether the currency is national currency or are we moving into the realm of like the Euro and EU or actually as a step to a one

global currency. That's a big factor in kind of determining the level of tyranny. And then how heavily is crypto regulated? So in other words, are there any options? Because there is a worst form, there is a final form to what this looks like. And it's key to understand that. And this really is kind of that final form. It's not really the final form, but it's an example of something that exists today. Doconomy MasterCard that already exists, has the UN logo on it, and MasterCard already tracks your purchases and the carbon impact of your purchases and will shut off your funds if you reach a certain level. So Once again, the money is already programmable with the existing system.

It can already be tied to behavior such as carbon usage and your financial transactions can be completely censored in an automatic way. So there is no new, there's nothing new that has to happen. There's no upgrade to the technology to make it some other form of CBDC. It's already a CBDC. It's really just a question of what additional programmability is Congress surveillance and going to pass. And I would argue it's already bad enough that we should want to exit the system. So we're at this tier one of bondage, moving our way to servitude. And then there's complete digital slavery. So today, We have moderate surveillance, well, if I'd call that moderate which I wouldn't even know

with the NSA and the Patriot Act. We already have moderate control. And it's a hybrid model with the commercial bank and central bank, both issuing digital currencies that interact with one another. But then the worst case scenario is total surveillance with AI monitoring tied to a social credit system issued by one central global entity. Everything is tokenized at a granular level. All assets are digitized in addition to money itself. This is done on a global basis with absolute control and restriction. What you can and cannot buy is on a pre-approved white list. It's a cashless system. with a complete ban on crypto. So that is what the kind of the end game is. That's what they're actually

working towards. So we need to keep in mind we should not be satisfied with the current CBDC system, but it does get worse from there. They're also looking at tracking physical cash. So I think you're going to see cash become more trackable as well. And so I like this analogy of saying that cash is just a paper token tied to a database. because once you look at it that way, you might not think about it as being so much freedom money either, because if it has serial numbers and an RFID chip or some kind of nanotechnology implanted in it that can be tied back, then it's really not that much of an improvement. So I created that. And then I've also created though, and I think this is new for

those of you that have been watching this last couple of weeks, I've created a alternative currency freedom index. So we have the tyranny index, but where are we with alternatives. And the reason I think that this is important is that we have to know how well we're doing, but also acknowledge that we're not going to go to, you know, I would love it if everybody in the world was using privacy coins peer to peer without any banks, any intermediaries, not using any gift cards, and that it was just person to person immediately. But that's not going to happen just in the same way that we're not going to have one global digital currency with all of the social credit scores overnight as well.

But we should look at it as a contest, right? We should look at it as well. How are we each relatively doing in our efforts to push freedom on our hand and on the other hand, on the technocrat side? to push tyranny. And so I have a similar set So it's like, of kind of criteria. what is the surveillance and monitoring? Are we using full privacy coins? Are we using moderate privacy coins? Or are we using completely transparent coins? Are we using intermediaries? What kind of currencies are we using? What's the regulatory environment? What's the global acceptance? And then are physical alternatives involved as well? And this is a draft. I'm gonna change all of this. In fact,

I already know changes I'm gonna make to this, but it's gonna be an evolving process. But at the end, I want there to be something that we can use as a common framework so we can see how well we're doing in terms of driving adoption of alternatives. And then we can also have a framework to evaluate what politicians are putting forward and can really control the definition and the framework of how this debate is happening. So right now I'd say we're at tier one, I'll call it transactional dependence. So right now we have moderate privacy, I mean, there is surveillance now, actually. As I said, the exchanges are using AI and working with the IRS now. So you have to go out of your way.

There are some privacy coins, to introduce everybody to. and that's what I'm going But if you're not using a privacy coin, then the problem is pretty much it's very likely that your information has already been tracked. unless you took caution, fifteen years, fourteen years ago or ten years ago and were really ahead of the curve or you mined your own cryptocurrency and it never touched an exchange, then chances are there's a high probability that you can be tracked. Then there's a question of how many intermediaries are you using? And I want to speak to this. So when I explain how I live on crypto, We are at I want to say we are at this tier one stage. We are not at an advanced stage.

A lot of what I have to do is buy gift cards or even buy debit cards. So I'm still touching the system, even though I'm not using a personal bank account. I mean, I am still using systems that are attached to fiat. And so that's an interim step. But it's a step that we need for now. But we need to move away from that step so that people are using fiat. these cryptocurrencies directly and we can get building an investment uh there but it requires and then are we using you know decentralized well you know what currency are we using decentralized but non-profit I mean right now most people are using uh transparent if you look at the market capitalization of the coins and you look

at the transaction volume which is almost none right now it's point four percent are using cryptocurrency in the united states to buy things and most of that is using transparent cryptocurrencies that are not private. So that's the starting point. That's where we are today. I would put us at a fifty out of two hundred, probably being generous on the Freedom Index. Now, what's the aspiration? The aspiration, I'll call this the Galt Gulch tier. And this is the tier where everybody's using privacy coins or most people are using privacy coins, complete privacy coins, privacy by default. There are no intermediaries. Uh, you're not, you're not using, I mean, you're using, um,

the point of sale systems. Everything is, is, is without middlemen at all. So everybody is either trading assets or using a private digital currency without any third party. And in addition to that, I had this physical component. There's a way to actually use privacy coins and privacy tokens, and then exchange those seamlessly for physical metals, like physical gold, physical silver, and copper. So to me, that's kind of the end game. And it's actually got a nice connotation to gold sculpture. They obviously used gold. So in any event, that's where we're trying to head to. So we're at fifty now. Two hundred is where we're trying to go. And again, we want to control the narrative.

So now I'm going to bring some people up. I don't know how well this is going to go. This is going to be a little bit more difficult logistically. I'm not sure how this is going to work. I'm going to pop people in here. Let's see. Oops, that's not what I want. All right, we've got Dan. I see Steven. Steven's out there in the crowd. Steven, if you want to join, you can. I can send you a link. Hold on.

All right. Actually, hey, Dan, can you share that with with him? No problem. Awesome. It's not letting me get out of this window. Oh, so this is interesting. So this will not let me have, um, I can only have a couple of people up apparently on the stage.

Let me see how this works. All right, hold on. Let me see. All right, there we go. All right. Now we're rocking and rolling. So. All right, the revolution will be tokenized. So I am going to talk about, and this is what I'm going to do tomorrow. And again, I don't know how well this will work. Privacy coins are a little bit more difficult to deal with in terms of trying to get a hundred people or more online all at once. I'll give a little overview of Zano. I'm not going to go through this. This is the technical explanation of what Zano is. And this gives you all of the, you know, kind of the buzzwords and explanations of how it works.

But I think people are more interested in why it's important and what does it do? And so what Zano does is it's a private digital currency. It's something that you can use to buy and sell things that no third party can see who was involved in the transaction, who the buyer was, who the seller was, or what the transaction amount was. This is what I think people thought Bitcoin was. And and if it even if it wasn't if that wasn't his intention, which it probably wasn't, I think this is what people think Bitcoin should be. But in any event, this is what Zano is. And I think this is what we need is private money. But in addition to being private money, it allows you to create

tokens using the exact same technology and the same features as the digital currency itself. So I can tokenize my computer, I can tokenize my car, I can tokenize stocks and I can trade those assets with anyone in the world and it's all confidential. All of the information is private. Nobody can get at any of the individual transaction details. So this is important because it is a, essentially it's an international barter system. And I could go on, I was up at three o'clock this morning on a conference call with some guy in Switzerland talking about some other stuff that you can do with this. And it can take things that are not private and make them private. So for instance,

there's something that's being launched called Confidential Layers, where you will be able to take your Bitcoin and Ethereum, and actually it's called bridging it into Zano and make your Bitcoin and Ethereum private. with very small transaction fees. So Zano really is kind of like a, it's like a layer that adds privacy to everything. So that is why I am as excited as I am about it because the whole reason I'm in this is to stop CBDCs and to stop the great taking. And so this technology has the ability to address A lot of this, I see a question I would say about privacy coins. Who's behind them? Do they have a limit on how many there are? There may be several issues there.

So the team behind Zano, it's three hardcore devs. They've actually been working on this technology for ten years. The lead developer developed, worked on Crypto Note, which was the technology behind Monero. And so this team is just incredible. And I've actually had the great fortune of being able to actually interact and work with them on stuff. And so this is a team that... knows cryptography and knows more than probably anyone on the planet how to actually build and implement secure cryptocurrencies and so the good news about it is we do know who who they are we know exactly who they are and um it's not a shadowy thing we know who the developers are they're accessible uh and so you

know we know what their backgrounds are and everything so this isn't a uh a situation where do we have to wonder if it's the nsa And there's some backdoor. What are the motivations? And so I like that. With all of this, again, you've got to do your due diligence. And everything in crypto This is why I'm not a Zeno maximalist. changes all the time. I use multiple cryptocurrencies. And this stuff is going to shift all of the time. I mean, there was stuff about Monero the other day. And oh, is it secure or not? Which it is. And that was a lot of kind of overblown information. But if you're a pro-liberty person, you want to keep a multiple asset. approach. So that's why

I'm picking this as the first one. And so what does this mean? So let's look at non-monetary assets. So we're talking about one point five quadrillion dollars in terms of the types of things that you could tokenize. Stocks, bonds, real estate, derivatives, supply chain, intellectual property, oil and gas, private equity, real estate, investment trusts, music and media. This is only the partial list. I've actually got a whole list. I've got a list of fifty different categories. So again, it's everything, including things that You could tokenize mineral rights on asteroids. You could tokenize information. You can tokenize things that are the size of planets or

as small as microtransactions and data. So that's why it's powerful if at the core you're interested in voluntary exchange. So what I'd like you guys to do if you haven't already done it is go to xano.org. Let me pull this up. All right, this is the real test.

Can we, Can we actually get people set up with this? And I'll send you guys some actual Xano if we go through this process. So hopefully all the technical difficulties will end up being worth it in the end. All right. So let's see. Xano.org. And if you click on downloads, you'll see it's available. Windows, Mac, Linux. You can also go to the App Store. I would actually recommend the App Store if you're gonna do this for just a It's gonna be a little bit variety of reasons. faster and easier to deal with.

But if you wanna do it on your desktop, you can. I mean, there's a reason to do it on your desktop, which is you can do what's called staking, which means if you leave your computer on, basically you'll share in the rewards that happen every time a new block of transactions is added. the blockchain that is one reason to to use your computer but for the purposes of getting on boarded I'd uh I'd go with the app store so but this is this is the hard part of checking in to see if anybody's uh actually doing this has anyone anyone done this I know I know dan you've done this steven have you done this yet oh steven not in here I guess steven's not actually in here um

Well, he's not in the chat thing. Anybody downloading the wallet? I found this a little difficult on the PC. I haven't had any problems on the Mac, but And this isn't necessarily a Xano problem, but a lot of firewalls will by default, they don't like any cryptocurrency. They don't like any cryptocurrency wallet, anything that's involved in staking or mining puts up a red flag. So that's the other reason it's probably easier to start with mobile,

but Macs are pretty straightforward. right let me know first first person first person that gets uh gets a wallet set up let me know and I'll uh I'll shoot you shoot you asano I don't know how much they're worth right now let me see got a new wallet Alright, five dollars and forty six cents or ten point five percent. So there you go.

Should play music while this is going on. Installing. Okay, good. This is the challenge for tomorrow. I'm nervous because this thing is at a campground. It's not outside, but it's near Lake Winnipesaukee. I'm wondering how the Internet access is going to be. This is going to be a pretty interesting little excursion.

But I do want to stress privacy is really important. Naomi Brockwell, who puts out a lot of content about privacy, not just crypto related privacy, VPNs, your phone, everything, started the idea of this movement putting PRIV forward slash ACC in your bio. So privacy accelerationist, meaning that you put a prioritization on privacy. promoting and implementing privacy. I think that's a good idea. I added it to my bio because it's really critical. Even these people I was talking to at three o'clock in the morning in a completely different country, but everybody in the world is aware of how the crypto markets and technology and

privacy is affected by the election in the US, or at least the perception of the election. And to which my point is, when you actually look at the bills, there's nobody promoting privacy. both of the political parties are actually anti-privacy. The Republican Loomis has actually stated it explicitly. She doesn't like privacy coins, only likes transparent blockchains. So I think either way, whatever happens, I mean, the best thing that could happen is the worst form of gridlock imaginable. That's the only thing that would actually stop more legislation that takes away, Privacy. So I have to boot to be right back. All right. Let's see. Let's see what's happening here.

So we're going to actually go through two wallets today, and then I'm going to also explain how I live off of this stuff. So, um, so hopefully this goes faster and faster than I think. Um, The beauty of these, the one thing that's great about these workshops is that you really learn in real time what's needed in the marketplace. Just out of your own optimization of your own process. When you sit there and you're like, my God, this took this long just to accomplish this task. And so we're actually going to have a, representative from Cake Wallet, which is the next wallet I'm gonna show you guys at the event. So it'll be great for the folks at Cake Wallet to see what it's like trying to

onboard all of these people at once. And so then, because my belief is, we're at this tier one of the as I said, Freedom Index and we have to make improvements to the products. Crypto isn't in the position that it's in just because regulators are trying to shut it down. Crypto is where it's at because this stuff is not as easy to use as it should be. And as much as, you know, even this process with Zano, Zano is probably, I think, the easiest of the privacy coins to get set up. I mean, some of these other privacy coins are are much, much more complex. And so at least once you download the mobile wallet, you'll see it's actually fairly straightforward to use, there's no programming involved.

I mean, some of this stuff actually requires a pretty high level of knowledge to use. And, you know, if I can tell you that as they're making the CBDCs more trackable and more programmable, they're also making them easier to use for the consumer. So did it hit the firewall? Oh yeah. You've got a PC down here. Okay. there you go well this is telling we might have to I don't think many people are going to have computers there tomorrow but I'm going to definitely push not using the computer I

think steve steve thurman was supposed to show up as well Is anyone having any problems on their end with the installation? All right.

Let me try to see if this helps. All right, while this is going on, I'm going to share this a couple more places, see if we can get some more reach. Is anybody getting any traffic at all on Facebook? Dan, are you getting any traffic? Do you get any traffic on Facebook?

Like I get nothing now. I mean, like five thousand followers and it's just not it's dead. I mean, I didn't use it for a really long time after, you know, getting a lot of temporary bans. But now it's like it's almost pointless to post. I don't think anybody is seeing it. Yeah, one of my accounts, I have five thousand eight hundred followers and I can get like one or two likes on each thing I post. So I'm wondering, is Facebook just dead or are we just that rate limited and shadow banned? Like, I'm trying to figure that one out. I think it's an algorithm when you put a video or you put anything important,

it lowers the algorithm. But if you just put like a picture of a burrito. and write like put a smiley face, you know, try that and I bet you'll get like two hundred likes on it, you know, but that's how it works. Well, I mean, I'm even using these social media tools where I'm not posting links to videos. I'm posting the videos directly on Facebook or I'm posting the images directly on Facebook as opposed to a link to the outside. I guess maybe we should make burrito pictures of crypto. We should get AI art that converts our ideas into shapes of food and cats and whatever. We'll give that a try. Maybe that's the key to key to success. Yeah. You got to beat the system somehow. So that,

that might be the new way to do it. Whatever, whatever I did two weeks ago was the opposite of what I'm trying to do. So I've got to unwind, unwind that. Hmm. Oh, there we go. So Mark Watson is joined. Ernest Hancock is re-mentioning Aaron Day on air, LRNFM broadcast, Free Talk Live, declare your independence. Won't work on the device phone I'm using, so I'll have to get another device. Okay. Interesting. Is that a wallet is very well done. Um, I'm very surprised about how user friendly it is. And you know,

so that's one good thing about it. So whoever downloads the wallet, it's going to be really easy. Yeah. Yeah. And they're actually even making another version of the wallet and even kind of easier, lighter implementation of it. So this is the thing. So like Dan, when I introduced you to this, this was, they had literally just for the first time launched a mobile wallet where you could create a token. So they've been at this project since twenty nineteen. So they've been doing like hardcore engineering. And so we're like just at the point where they're making it ready for for the public. And I think the wallet now is great. And the stuff that they have planned is going to make it

even even easier also. And we'll get to this. I think while this is going on, maybe I'm going to recommend just so that we're parallel processing that that everybody also download cake wallet. let me switch here. Here we go. Let's go to cake wallet.com. So I've been using,

I don't even know how many, two dozen different wallets since twenty twelve. And. So. To me, in the long run, if we're going to compete with CBDCs, we need a wallet that is as easy to use as whatever people are used to with Venmo, PayPal and everything else. And then merchants need a point of sale system that is as easy as Clover and whatever the point of sale systems there are. And I even I launched a project and Ernie talked about that on the air today. I launched this Defcon One Manhattan project to build a wallet and a point of sale system. So the first part of my journey was to go out and evaluate what's on the market to see if I can just partner with somebody

because I'm not sleeping enough as it is. If I had to add building technology on top of that, that would probably not go well. And so I was connected up to Cake Wallet. And I really like CakeWallet. This is actually what I use predominantly now. This is my main wallet. And so if you go to CakeWallet.com, you can download it in all of its various forms. And it's available on all operating systems and app stores. What I like about it is it's open source. So if anything happens for whatever reason to the company, the tech is still there, which is to me a... in light of the fact that a

lot of these projects have been centralized points of failure because there was a corporate entity. And so that's one of the main reasons. I remember I had some Bitcoin on a wallet, you know, from twenty twelve and just trying to figure out how to get the Bitcoin off of that wallet was a on a cell phone that I hadn't used for decades. whatever it was, six years at that point. I mean, that was quite an undertaking. And then when I go to look for help, the company hadn't been in business for four years. And so it's one of those things where this has been a problem. And so CakeWallet is open source. It allows you to keep your own keys to your crypto so that no matter what happens to

the wallet in any event that they're your coins. I mean, it is a true self-custody wallet and it was originally designed for Monero, which I would say is actually the leading privacy coin at the dominant, the dominant player in the space. And so I think it was, you know, it's definitely the most user-friendly wallet for Monero, but then they also offer many other coins as well. And they're adding Xano. So, So, you know, in fact, they've already done most of the integration. I'm hoping by New Jersey, by the New Jersey workshop, that we're not going to have two wallets. We're going to have one. So we'll see. Fingers crossed. But the tech integration has already been done, as I understand it.

So that's just at the testing stage. But that's really exciting because it's a user friendly way to not only hold your coins, but you can do other things within the wallet, which we will get to. So if you've got a, uh, an opportunity, you can start downloading that as well. I'll give some narrow to the first, first person to get cake wallet, um, installed and, uh, okay. Um,

So one of the folks in the chat couldn't install it on their device. This is good feedback. I remember I was in South Dakota and we had somebody that had a phone that was Was really was really old and it couldn't couldn't install we for the most part we haven't had any issues but then there are some issues and It's hard to take into account when you're designing these mobile apps all the different Sizes with screens even I know somebody had a problem at one point with They couldn't actually get to the next button move on in the process of setting up the wallet Which we then invade that information and and got that information so

Bethany One, I wonder if Bethany One, have you had any luck yet with this? Anyway, I hope you guys are doing the Cake Wallet as well so we can dual track that while I'm filling up time. I will talk about what's in the Cake Wallet. So in addition to being able to hold your coins, they have something called CakePay. And this is a really cool feature. So within the wallet, I can actually, it's interesting that that's not on their site. I'm gonna go jump back into my presentation. With CakePay,

you can buy gift cards and debit cards directly from, within the wallet. And so, as I said, for right now, so when I'm living on crypto, I'm in New Hampshire. And the good news about being in New Hampshire is that it's very ahead of the curve for crypto adoption. And there are restaurants and stores. So, I mean, we can buy meat. There are farms and all kinds of places where you can go. And oh, good. There we go. all right we got one hold on stop the presses I'm gonna uh send some zano to bethany one all right that

appears to be the zano qr code I check out okay call it okay great And I want to see if I can send. Ha.

Oh, that's interesting. My only options are to, I can't cut and paste. That's bizarre. That is not a good, that's not great. All right, hold on. Why would that work like that? All right, let me, I've got an idea. All right.

All right, here we go. I've got my first monthly supporter on. Turn that off. All right, the Zano has been sent. So hopefully that works. And Beth, maybe you should have that in

less than a minute. It should begin to appear. And then it may take a few minutes from there for the transaction to be completely finalized. So we've got one underway. We've done our first successful one of these. This is very helpful. I apologize that this is taking so long, guys, but this is really helpful to try to work through what the issues might be in advance of tomorrow. Because again, in the past, I haven't been using privacy coins. And so it can be somewhat easier to, with non-privacy coins, there are some mechanisms you can use to make it easier to distribute these things. So I'm gonna hop back

to cake wallet overview. So we'll do something else once Bethany has her or Bethany, excuse me, has her Zeno confirmed. There's some other process that we'll go through, but the timing. So when you, when you have a cake wallet, what you can do is see if I can,

there we go. That's not coming through very clear. All right, I've got another idea. Let's see if this works. Play in window. All right. Let's see if this should. This should improve the readability. There we go. Okay, once you've got CakeWallet open,

will CakeWallet work with the above phone? Hello, Aaron, I'm interested in knowing how to manage using metals as the currency. I will get to that. I mean, I can actually talk about that a little bit now while people are doing what they're doing with the above phone. It should, I mean, I'm not aware of any particular limitations with CakeWallet. So I would say give it a shot. I mean, as far as metals go, yeah, I am going to talk about how to use metals as well. I will say there's a merger between tokenization and metals that I will talk about.

So if... Maybe I'll Verizon. Yeah, Verizon will work. So I well, it's all a matter of the brand of the phone. So do I have the TLDR on the cake wallet terms of service? I do not. So there are, you can actually, here is a list of the coins that you can use within the Cake Wallet. So you have Monero, Bitcoin, Ethereum, Litecoin, Bitcoin Cash, Polygon, Solana,

Tron, Nano, Wildnaro, and Haven, and they're soon to be adding Xano as well. So you go through this process and you select which wallet you want. And for our purposes here, I'm focused on Monero because we are focused on privacy coins. Once you click on that, it will ask you to create a wallet and then you click on next and write down your seed phrase. I'm not gonna put that information up here, but you go through that part of the process, which is pretty straightforward. And then that will give you open up your screen where you have your Monero wallet. And when you do that, just click on receive. And that will throw that will open up the QR code

and the wallet address. And, you know, first person that copies that and message it to me, I will send them some Monero. So. And then I'll walk through some of the other. features. So within the wallet itself, so without having to use any outside services, you can buy crypto. Um, you can actually use your debit card, Apple pay credit card to buy certain cryptocurrencies. There are limits with this and there are fees. And so there's a whole, this is one of the biggest issues with, with all of this, uh, is, um,

buying cryptocurrency has become very difficult. So I've been living on this stuff since twenty nineteen and the government has really been cracking down. You can't actually buy any privacy coins directly from an exchange in the United States today. You will either have to use a service like this where you're buying it from within the wallet. So you can buy Monero, I believe, directly through this wallet. Or you use a service like Coinbase to buy a coin, a transparent coin, maybe what's called a stable coin that is pegged to the dollar or you use something like Litecoin and then you use another service to exchange that cryptocurrency for a privacy coin. So, and, and by the way,

that isn't going to get any easier. So the reason that I like cake wallet is that all in one is the ability to not only have the wallet, but also to buy, uh, cryptos and they've integrated a number of different services within the wallet. So it's actually competing and looking for the best price from, from multiple different services. So, um, So that's one component of it. The other thing that I really like is this cake pay. So as I said, in New Hampshire, I can buy things directly with crypto. But when I travel, that's never the case. There's almost no place outside of New Hampshire where I can actually spend crypto directly. So for that, I have to buy a gift card. And you can even buy these

gift cards with privacy coins, with Monero. And so there's a huge list in there. I just put up a couple of examples in the slide just to show you the breadth of this. But I mean, I took my kids to... The movie theater the other day, I mean, I actually, I buy most things through this. So whether it's gas cards, you can even buy vacations to sandals. They actually have high-end restaurants, Delta, DoorDash, and Amazon. And so these gift cards really handle a significant percentage of retail transactions. Now, again, this is an interim step because of all of a sudden, you know, Congress has just passed a law that says, You can't use crypto to buy gift cards.

And most of these centralized corporations will comply. So this is a risk factor. So again, this is why I put up those tiers, the freedom tier and the tyranny tier, because we have to understand that this isn't perfect. And by the way, this isn't as easy as it should be, but it is a stair step to where we want to go. And this is also me explaining what I do now. on a day-to-day basis. So I buy a lot of these gift cards and when I'm not using gift cards, I can actually also buy a debit card from within here as well. So I just show a couple of examples. Here's an AMC. And by the way, with a lot of these, a lot of people say to me, well, you know, What if you don't want to

buy a fifty dollar gift certificate or whatever it happens to be? You can actually buy the exact dollar amount. I could buy two hundred and thirty eight dollar gift card from Amazon. I don't have to buy in like if you're going to Target or Walmart and you're buying gift cards there with cash, they only have them in certain increments. That's not the case here. You can pick the denomination. Now, there's usually a cap. It's two thousand in the case of Amazon, one hundred in the case of AMC. But I have not actually had any issues with that. And in the worst case scenario, you just buy multiple gift cards. And I think I've had to do that on a couple of occasions. But for the most part,

It's a pretty minor deal. And when you buy it, then you get an email. It usually takes about five minutes to get the thing set up. And then you're on your way. So as I said, that's kind of an interesting thing. I'm showing you this just as another example of something that CakeWallet is integrated with. One of the cryptos in the wallet is called Nano, and Nano is particularly good for microtransactions, and so you can use Nano to use AI. So you don't have to actually sign up for an official account directly with OpenAI or with Claude. with Anthropic, the company behind Claude, you can actually do microtransactions that are anonymous or pseudo anonymous, I guess,

in this case, using this. And so this is just another example of the kind of thing that you can do with the wallet. So the reason that I picked this is that, well, one, I use it myself. It's the easiest because it has everything self-contained within one wallet. With that said, this doesn't cover all of my needs or everything that I do living on alternative assets. So there's buying stuff with crypto. But then the next question somebody says to me, and this is always a pushback. It's like, well, how do I pay my electric bill? Oh, sure. Crypto is great. But how am I going to pay my mortgage? Or how am I going to pay my auto loan? Well, it turns out there are solutions for that.

And the one that I am recommending and use right now for that is called Spritz Finance. And I did forget to mention that if you go to, what did I pick as the URL for that? If you go to Daylight, I'll put it in the chat. If you go to daylightfreedom.org, let me put the link there. This website has all of the links for everything that I use. So this link that I put into the chat right now, this is going to be where I keep everybody up to date because I want to be clear. And by the way, if you've bought my book and you're reading the book, please disregard the

section on the recommendations on kind of all fronts. I'm in the process of updating the book. In fact, based on doing this presentation and updating the website, I'm actually doing another revision to the book. This is a war, right? We're fighting against the technocrats that are trying to push this tyranny. And we're trying to develop these alternatives, which is complex. There are a lot of moving parts. It's a market. And so I've created this URL that lists in real time what I'm using. And no stuff changes there. I mean, there are issues there. I've used different services in the past. I use different wallets. I recommended a completely different wallet in the book.

And I use that one for a long time. But then when I made the pivot to privacy coins, it wasn't it wasn't the right solution. And then there were some other issues with it. And so I am going to always be looking for the best solution. And I may even build the solution if we can't find somebody to partner with. But this page, all right, you chose Monero. I see Bethany. Bethany is going to be the big winner here today. So if you chose Monero, so if you set up your wallet, let me go back a few slides here. All right, so you have a Monero wallet and you went through the whole process to create your seed phrase and all of that

stuff hopefully you wrote that down if not you can get access to it after the fact if you have a wallet on your phone choose monero then click receive to get your qr code and actually more importantly for this example yeah if you could uh paste the uh this address that starts with uh well I don't know what it starts with on yours but what's on my screen is a four or five kc if you could paste that into Rumble, then I will send you some Monero as well. So, all right, good. Well, we're having some success here. So anyway, back to this.

So Spritz Finance. So again, some of the stuff you still have to do KYC. So it's not perfect. This is why for me, it's a continuum. My preference is to do direct transactions with people. I try to use things like this as infrequently. as possible and then I've got some other hacks and trips that I've learned that that you can do that I'll I don't know if I'll talk about on here but I'll talk about at some point maybe in person and and that's an ongoing thing as well it's a little sneaky and it's and some of it's a little bit inconvenient but there are some you know this is how we kind of stay ahead of this while we're building these easier tools so so with spritz finance I

I can set up my account so I have my verizon wireless set up through um through Visa, I can connect my cake wallet to Spritz Finance, move money into from my my cake wallet and pay my bills directly. So it doesn't have everything, but I mean, it has all the major banks. It has it has the utility company here. It has most major utility companies. So so I encourage you to take a look at that and in fact we'll go through all of the categories of bills you can pay with spritz finance you can also get a prepaid debit card uh within spritz finance as well so I x'd out my my numbers here but you can you can easily move money to this and you can

also connect this debit card to apple pay And Google Pay. So again, these are all situations where we're still kind of tied to big tech. We're still tied in one way or another. I mean, you're using a debit card. It's not your own. You don't have a bank account, but you're still using a prepaid debit card. So you're still using the rails of the traditional system. So from my perspective, I'm shifting the balance, moving more towards direct peer-to-peer. but still having to use these. But they're not hard to use. So I guess what I'm saying is through the Cake Wallet, I can do most of my retail transactions directly. I can buy a debit card through that. And then I have another

debit card here that I can use with Spritz Finance. I can pay certain bills directly. And I'll even go through some of the others just to give you an example. But there are thousands of providers here. So for electric, I mean, this is just, this is a very short list. And I encourage you to log into Spritz Finance and check to see if, you know, the folks that you, if your bills are on there. And again, usually the default is if they're not, then you end up using a debit card. So that's pretty much what the continuum is. So, you know, if you're lucky, you can just do it directly. And then if not, then you use a debit card. And then if it really comes down to being bad, there are scenarios where

you can actually use a debit card to take out cash. I mean, if you had to, you could use that to get a money order. Like there's always a way. It's just a question of how many layers of hoops do you have to go through? And at the end, have to make this really simple so we can at least figure out what what needs to be uh simplified in our ultimate solution so again mortgages even student loans why somebody would want to pay repay a student loan is beyond me but if you want to repay your student loan I think if you just wait it'll be forgiven um You can pay your car loan through here. You can pay your credit card bill through here. So this is pretty all-encompassing as far as

bill payment is concerned. And then you can also, which this is not a feature I've actually used, but you can actually move crypto from your... You can transfer crypto to your bank account. So if you need money in your checking account, you can actually move your Bitcoin or whatever to... to your banking account using Spritz Finance. Now I will say Spritz Finance uses different cryptocurrencies. So the issue with all of this is again, I'm focusing on privacy. So I try to narrow what I do, cause I really wanna emphasize privacy first, but you're gonna have to convert your privacy coin to something else that works with Spritz Finance in order to be able to do these types of things.

So just note, If you are putting crypto on a bank account, that's obviously tracked, right? So there's no mistake about what's going on here. Now, with that said, you may still choose to do that. I mean, again, it's just part of changing your behavior as we move along the continuum. So that's what we have through Spritz Finance. I see Bethany has her... I'm trying to figure out how these comments work. I'm getting comments on

StreamYard that I'm not getting now on Rumble, and I can't paste. So, all right. So Bethany, I, so I see the, I see the address there. I can't paste that, but it looks like you pasted it on rumble. When I go to rumble, I'm not letting me refresh. Now I'm showing no comments. If there's any way you could, uh, repost that on, on rumble that, Oh wait. Okay. Here we go. I got it. Nevermind. Um, By the way, as we go through this, I'm going to ask you guys some questions and just, if you're free from your

opinion on how we might handle some of this in these workshops and Dan, this'll be good for, for you guys as well. Cause there's, there's obviously there's so much to go through that. I want to distress actually making sure people got crypto setting up the wallet and. And actually receiving crypto is the most important thing because I wrote my book so that people could just read the book and follow the instructions step by step and get crypto on their own. And the feedback that I got was this is great information, but, um, you know, I need help kind of making that first step. So I decided to do this so

that we could actually. accomplish that. So let me see here. All right. Now I'm sending some Monero. All right, Monero has been sent. So Beth may let me know when you have that. And congratulations, you will soon be the proud owner of two privacy coins.

X cleans the screen. Okay, so there we go. Right, where was I? So as far as the workshops go, there's another step to this. So, um, actually Bethany, if, if the, if it cleared already, let me see that screenshot. It's not sharing. There's one more thing for you to test out with the Zana wallet that we can do on here. So if you, Bethany, if you have your Zano wallet open and you've received the Zano, there's a really cool thing that you can do.

Yes, you add Litecoin and Ethereum the same way. And by the way, on that, so again, you wanna write down your seed phrase. When you go through that startup process, you wanna write that down on paper and store that somewhere. You don't wanna cut and paste that. and put that onto your computer in any way, shape or form. I just saw some article today about some really sophisticated techniques that are being used to just analyze, these seed phrases are a certain you know, number of words. And so people are very sophisticated, even down to the point of being able to scan screenshots people have taken of a picture of their seed phrase and have been able to discern that it's a seed phrase

extract the image and then pull away and then and then steal the person's funds so I I can't stress enough uh how important it is to keep the the the seed phrase in a safe place dot on your computer even an image of it um so if so bethany if you're back to the xana wallet when you get in there there's this thing that I have up on the screen called register an alias so here's the idea behind this and you can probably appreciate why That's important because you've gone through this process now with Zeno and Monero, and you've had these really long strings of characters which are not very user-friendly, right? So it's like, okay, what is this? Did I copy all of the digits?

I mean, look at how many digits there are. You're never going to be able to remember that. If somebody said, hey, send me some Monero, it's like, oh, it's four, nine, F, G, one. That's not going to work. So one of the things Zano allows you to do is register a unique alias. And so I want you to try to do that. That's why I say Zano, it's not very expensive. It's like point one Zano to do this. You can register an alias and have your own unique name. So my Zano alias is at Aaron, A-A-R-O-N. So if you're in your Zano wallet and you wanna send me Zano, you don't need to know my address. You just need to know like the long string of characters. You can just put in at Aaron and it will look up my

address and then you can send me funds. So what's cool about this is that this allows people to use this to send assets and money back and forth. And you can even know what my name is, but the actual information about the transactions itself is still private and confidential. So even though you know what my address is, and even though you know I'm at Aaron, you still can't track what my transactions are. So that is really powerful. And I will tell you one of the features and concepts that they're building into this is the ability to have a, reputation management system. So there are a couple of things about Zeno that are interesting. So let's say for instance, you want to trade with somebody,

and you don't know who they are, there's no trust established. And let's say, you know, I want to sell somebody a baseball card. Well, they have an escrow system. So I can put fifty dollars into escrow, you put fifty dollars into escrow, I send you the baseball card. And then the transaction will resolve when we both click that we agree, and then our escrow funds will be released. So this is a way for anybody anywhere in the world to be able to engage in trade without knowing the other person or having to trust the other person, but at the same time without having to have a third party. And that is an incredibly And if you take that feature powerful feature. and you add onto it the

ability to have a reputation management system based on these aliases, this is a big leap forward in terms of when you think about why there are all of the middlemen in transactions. old model of the world, So if you think about our we're using these centralized databases that are hacked and can be manipulated. And then we have all of these lawyers involved to handle disputes. And, you know, nobody reads the legal agreements. And then now we have a system that's that's, you know, based on people's reputations and where people don't even need to know or trust the other person, but can use escrow to still engage in a transaction and then begin to build up a reputation over time.

So this is a phenomenal way to to be able to trade. anything. So alright, so there's, I don't have anything more that I'm going to go through in terms like I'm not going to go through every one of these things, I'm going to explain what they are. And I'm not going to do this in the workshop either, I will explain what they are. And then you can always go to the link that I put in the in the notes, it's daylight freedom.com, you go to inform the inform section, there's a link for all alternative assets. And that will keep you up to date. And those are links to all of these resources. But I will touch on what they are and why I use them. Because again, this is a list of things that I use.

Would you be willing to grab my wallet? So I actually don't use Coinbase anymore. I don't use exchanges at all anymore. But when people are trying to get into crypto, I Coinbase is unfortunately the only only one left. I mean, there are four left. It's still the it's the best one of exchanges and exchanges. Just it's a place that you go to a centralized system where you can buy and sell and trade cryptocurrencies. And and so here are the things that I will tell you about it. One, you have to go through an extensive KYC process now in order to use a centralized exchange.

give your personal information. You are going to have to You're going to have to go through the thing where they take a picture of you and you're going to have to, and they will analyze your transaction. So just know, know what you're getting into and know everything that just assume everything that you're doing there is going to be tracked. And I will say that there's also this process of, Because a lot of people, I talked about the great taking earlier, people's four or one Ks are not safe. So people that are over fifty nine and a half, it makes absolute sense to start liquidating some of their four or one K and moving into alternative assets, whether it's crypto gold or silver. But I mean,

like the process for this is it takes two to three weeks to get the check from your four or one K. Then you have to deposit in the bank. Then you have to wait for it to clear the bank. Then you have to set up an account with an exchange and then you have to fund the exchange account. And so this process, I mean, it can take like three weeks from the time you go to deciding that you want to use some of your four or one K money to actually buy crypto. just saying that as a warning so that you know in advance what the expectations are um but one thing that I absolutely have to stress never leave any cryptocurrency on an exchange ever almost every cryptocurrency in exchange

history has failed um and every cryptocurrency in you know there are they they're fractional reserve we don't know if they actually have The assets in reserve, the government is selling all of them. They can be hacked. So there's no upside to leaving your crypto there. And even if they claim that they're offering yield, the history of this suggests that the only people who benefit from leaving crypto on exchanges are hackers, the government or lawyers. So please do not leave crypto on exchanges. But with that said, if you want to buy crypto to get it into your self-possession, I recommend Coinbase. but you cannot buy Monero or Zano at Coinbase. So you will have to buy some other coin,

probably I would recommend like a USDC or, I mean, I don't like these things, but if it's just for the purpose of a transaction, use that or Bitcoin Cash or Litecoin. And then what you use is, and what I have used is this service called Exolix. And this is a crypto exchange that has no KYC AML. So there is no you don't have to go through any verification whatsoever. You don't even have to put in an email address. And you can trade from a wide variety of cryptocurrencies. There are usually some kind of limits at the transaction level. But I mean, it might be like ten thousand, twenty thousand dollars at a time, but you can always do another transaction. So I've actually found this

Exelix thing works pretty well. And my understanding is that actually Cake Wallet has Exelix integrated. And as soon as Zano is integrated, you will be able to buy From within the cake wallet, you will be able to buy crypto and then exchange it all within the cake wallet. But the point of this is to tell you what I'm doing now. And this is what I actually do now on a day-to-day basis. Then we have crypto.com. And the only reason I have crypto.com and I'm going to tell you this is just this kind of an explanation for how all of this stuff changes. I used to use something called BitPay for years. For like three or four years, I used BitPay. I had a BitPay debit card and I would predominantly

use Bitcoin Cash and I liked it. It was great. I had no issues with it. And then all of a sudden out of the blue in twenty twenty two, I got a notice with like seven days warning. that they severed the relationship with their partner for the debit card. And that was it. I had to get all my funds off in seven days or basically it's over. So that's not great when you have recurring charges and everything else. And this is a commonplace thing that happens. So I've actually got probably four or five different debit cards with different services. Many of them I've never used. but I do it just because I might end up in a situation like this. I've had some weird stuff. And I will tell you,

My wife can tell you there's weird stuff where I've got to use this debit card to go over here and then I get an ATM. Like it's getting better, but like it is kind of a little bit like a video game. So I use crypto.com right now for the primary fact that it gives me a physical debit card. So there are the other debit cards, the Spritz finance debit card is, um, it's virtual only um and the and and by the way the debit card that you can buy within the cake wallet can't be used everywhere so there are some kind you know you've probably heard oh yes this everywhere visa is accepted everywhere mastercard is accepted well the the the card that you can buy through Cake Wallet isn't

accepted everywhere. And it's not entirely clear upfront what all of the rules are on that. Now, with that said, it also doesn't have a huge KYC process. And so there are some advantages and disadvantages to that. So like plan accordingly. So know if you're using stuff that's tracked, just know that that's tracked and that a certain percentage of your transactions are gonna go through a KYC process and are going to be completely tracked and that others are not. And that those that aren't are probably going to be a little bit more time consuming to go through. So, so that's crypto.com. There's Spritz finance. I use, I use gold backs as well, which I mentioned earlier.

I have a stack of these things. I, I will typically tip people with these unless I, there are in New Hampshire, there are a hundred and fifty merchants that accept gold backs directly. So I can actually use these directly. Or I can use my online account to use Goldbacks. And this is a question now actually for you, for Dan. So now I'm at this point where I found there are issues with live demos, right? So if I'm logging into my own stuff, there's some security risk in doing that in front of large groups of people. So I'm not fully excited about that. Plus there can be internet connection difficulties. I'll explain, let's see, maybe I'll pop this up and

I might log into it as well. I don't have much on this one right now anyway. So I don't have anything on this one. So it's actually not gonna be all that exciting. Okay, this is a demo account. I will show you some things that are interesting about Alpine. So I have an account at Alpine. I'm actually waiting for some funds to clear that haven't, so that's interesting. So you can buy gold backs at this link provided on the website. So you can go there and buy physical gold backs and have them shipped to you. Or if you live in the right state, I mean, there's New Hampshire, Utah, Wyoming, Nevada, South Dakota. If you're in one of those states,

then there's probably a gold back. There's a gold back store there where you can actually go and buy these things. in person. So that's that link. If you click on this, create a UPMA account that will take you to what I'm going to next, which is, let's see. All right. Okay. So here's UPMA. I'm waiting to fund this account, but let me me show you what you can do when you set up a upma account a upma account is essentially it is an account at a it is kind of at a bank but it's a it's a bank that is a gold and silver only bank that's located in utah so utah was the first state in to make

gold and silver legal tender and so the alpine company that sells these goldbacks on the state by state basis, literally in the same building, one floor above or below UPMA, the bank that actually vaults all of these precious metals and runs these accounts. And so just by way of a little background, when you set up a UPMA account, Right out of the bat, it's set up as a trust. So it has all of the legal protection of a trust, which is better than nothing. Although I can tell you from other experiences, trusts can be pierced. So I'm very much a self-custody person. So I don't, as you will even see here, I don't leave much of

anything on anything that's centralized. And whatever I do put there, I assume I'm going to lose it. that it's going to be tracked with that said there are some times when you need to do things and so I have a lot of things set up as a contingency so what I can do here is I can deposit uh I can excuse me let me see if this is right I can deposit funds into this account so I can buy gold for instance if I want to buy I can actually set up an ACH account or I can buy one time and you can pick which way you want to do it. If you want to use a wire or a check or a credit card or

a debit card or a bank transfer ACH. Now, what I am working on right now, because I have the ability to walk into the Goldback store and give them cash and have that actually credit my account. So I can go into the Goldback store with cash and buy my precious metals and have that actually on my account so I can spend it online. But I'm checking to see if I can use one of these non KYC debit cards through Monero that has a thousand dollar limit on it. But so again, I'm telling you some of the edge cases here, but you can go through here and use one of these payment methods and then you can have precious metals deposited to your account and so now what can you do

with that so once it's in there you can move it around so you can you can go from uh so you can exchange it I should have assets in here soon but you can exchange from gold back to paper dollar to silver dollar to gold all from within the system so if I decide today I want to move my gold into silver I can um and then I can keep it either in here where they're vaulting the gold, or I can withdraw it where they will actually mail me or arrange for me to pick up the precious metals. So they have a vault and they have their own system, which they talk about. But if you want to take physical possession, you can. But if you want to shop, you can as well.

So here are, you can actually see some of the some of the merchants what's going on with this merchant directory right now hold on that's weird that's not usually this is why I don't like to do live demos there are like there are two thousand stores where you can actually use your online gold uh gold backs gold and silver now I actually have never done that and there's a reason that I will tell you that I haven't done that which is All right, so I'm waiting for a deposit there. So again, I believe in in self custody,

the one thing that I've actually produced, I've used this for is I have taken some gold and silver and put it onto a debit card. So I do have another debit card, which is which is this, which is tied to gold and silver. So I can keep my value in gold, silver or gold backs. And then if I need to use, make a purchase using fiat, I can then transfer it to this card. So again, I don't use this stuff often. I use gold backs in person and then I will, as needed on a transaction basis, usually because it's here in New Hampshire, I will actually take physical metals to, gold back and then if I need to,

and then transfer it to a debit card. But I take a very extreme position on this and there's no need to take as an extreme of a position as I do. Cause again, this is, we do have time. So, you know, they're moving up the tyranny index, we're moving up the freedom index. And so I'm trying to be as far ahead of the curve and try to push as much of my stuff to self custody and direct peer to peer. The other thing is what I am talking to them about, to the Alpine people about, is using Zano. Because when I logged into this, going back to this database analogy, when I use this, this is a centralized database. This isn't even tokenized. This is just, I don't know what technology they're using,

but it's probably a Microsoft or an Oracle database. So this has all of the problems. This system could be hacked. This system can be tracked. and monitored and you have all of the problems that can happen to this, that can happen to any other database. What I'm talking to them about is what they really need is a system where I can buy gold backs and then I can take these gold backs and I can give this to my barber. I can give this to whoever when I'm, when I'm buying things around town. And once they have this in their possession, this isn't tracked. This is real money. This is like cash. But when I'm online in this system, all of this stuff is tracked. So this will explain to you

one of the reasons I'm so excited about Zano. Imagine where instead of this system that I'm logged into here, you actually have a privacy token that is backed by a gold back. So now we can trade. I can buy and sell things using a privacy coin, a privacy token that is backed by these precious metals. And then If I needed to redeem for physical metals, then that's a touch point where I might have to KYC myself, depending on the volume or not, depending upon what the rules are. But for the most part, most of my transactions will be able to take place privately using a privacy token. So I've been talking to them about it. So this is part of why I don't, I haven't actually used the

online shopping thing because it's, I don't wanna use a centralized database. I wanna use a privacy token. I'm pointing all this out because depending on where you are kind of on the risk profile, this is an interesting opportunity. I mean, you can ACH and wire funds directly from your bank account into this. You can hold your money in gold. You can redeem it for physical metals. You can actually, and there's some interesting tricks to this. You can actually pawn your gold to yourself. and then not pay it back. So this is a way to avoid having to pay tax on it. interesting things in this. So there are a lot of And so if I'm recapping, you set up a trust, you can fund this,

you can buy and sell and exchange these different types of metals. You can transfer the value to a debit card and you can pawn it to yourself. They also have a self-directed IRA account. product as well that you can use and that and that we looked at and I'll be honest like so again I'm taking the extreme position my my position is iras for one k's are not safe so my position is I'm out of all anything to do with any of of it I don't want to have these financial instruments uh that's one end of the continuum I would argue if you're going to have an ira and it's a self-directed ira and it's through a bank that only deals in gold and silver Utah that has the best and it's in the state of

protections in terms of from confiscation and that type of thing, then it's better. It's probably the best of the alternatives for IRAs. I mean, Be aware. if your IRAs or whatever are through these large financial firms that have systemic risk and that are likely to go under, you're your assets are at risk. So I just want to give you the wide range of options. And so anyway, that's the relatively quick overview of this. So this is pretty much what I'm doing today. And again, this is pretty much completely different than what I was doing ninety days ago. And it is absolutely different than what I was doing two years ago. And what I realize is, again,

what I understand is that We need wallets that consolidate these aspects. We need an open source wallet that handles a lot of these functions, that integrates precious metals. And that the key to this whole thing for adoption is for the merchants to have a point of sale system so that you can interact with them directly. That really is the weak link for us in terms of marching up the freedom index. So with that, I'll open it up to any questions or comments.

Oh, Dan, Dan, you got nothing. You look tired. You tired. Well, I like the goldbacks aspect of it. The UPMA, um, I'm looking at the, um, diagram that you got there and how you can fund this. And, um, that's kind of interesting. I was looking at that. Um, and, um, as far as the, uh, Zano while it goes and the cake while it goes, they're great. Um, You know, everything's been pretty quick, pretty easy to use. I didn't jump in on that little contest before because I already had a wallet, so I didn't think that would be fair. But I've been watching all night. You've been really covering a lot of stuff,

and I'm absorbing as much as I can here. Good stuff. Well, I'm trying to find out, and part of this is, I mean, so I'm new to even using a lot of these tools. So Exelix, I've used Exelix now for six weeks. I've used Cake Wallet for about the same period of time. I don't use Coinbase anymore, but I've helped others. So I've used Spritz, but I use it infrequently because, again, I've moved kind of out of the system. But I have used it and I know that people are going to have to transition. And I know that the number one question that I get it from people is when you, well, first of all, I want to put some context because if,

for those of you that are watching this, that if you're already in crypto, you're probably like, Oh, you may already know all this stuff or whatever, but. Ninety-five percent of Americans have never bought anything with crypto at all. And before I started doing workshops, when I was just talking to people about the content of my book and the threat of CBDCs, um, Actually, I would hear that people didn't even know you could use it to buy something. And then so that was kind of a novel idea. And then once they thought about that, but then it immediately came to, well, yeah, but this will never take off because how am I going to put gas in my car? How am I going to pay my electric bill?

Those are the ones that always come up. And so the truth is, there's an answer for that. And you you can't you can do that. You can do that using Spritz. It is not. I mean, again, it's it's KYC. You're not you're not outside of the system. But of course, you know, remember, at this point, I mean, if you're dealing with large corporations, they're obviously going to have a record of whatever your transactions are anyway. separate conversation about So there's a whole other who to even buy from. I, you know, I, I'm moving towards away from all, you know, big box retailers. In fact, I, you know, I wish I could do it completely. I mean, I'm, I'm hypocritical.

I'm sitting here using a Mac and I'm using, you know, a Samsung monitor. So as much as I'd like to fully boycott the WEF, there's kind of like a dual thing You know, going on in my mind. There's part of me that is experimenting and using decentralized tech and all of this other stuff that can work without the Internet and everything else. But that's not if you're going to try to educate people and move people away. You can't use those because using those are the people the only people that are that are already in it. And so then you and ten of your friends have this decentralized system and it doesn't really help. So you kind of have this. cognitive dissonance thing going where you've got two

worlds going on at the same time. So I still use these things, but I do actually try to boycott WEF partner companies as much as I can. And the reason for that is, and I didn't talk about it here, I'll talk about it in the workshop, but the people that are behind the technocracy movement are the large multinational corporations. And when you think about the WEF and Klaus Schwab, you have to understand that there are a thousand partner companies that are part of the WEF. And when you go through and you look at that list, a lot of things will start to make sense. And so when you see who MasterCard has partnered with to track carbon, Well, lo and behold, most of them are WEF partner companies.

And then when you see the WEF influence on the UN and even on things like, you know, pushing and promoting, you know, pronouns and bios and everything else, it's actually pretty insidious how all of this links together in terms of the WEF agenda actually pushing the corporate agenda. You'd think it's the other way around. Like, I was always confused. Why are these Fortune five hundred companies requiring people to put pronouns in their name, and it turns out they were the ones actually pushing it. They pushed it through the UN, through the WEF. It's wild how some of this stuff comes out. I actually, I spend way more time, I don't have that much time but I used to spend a lot of time saying,

to do this anymore, how did this trend happen? So just sitting down, where did the pronoun thing come from? That was never a thing, and then all of a sudden it was a thing. Well, it didn't organically emerge, it was pushed. and it was intentional and there were specific people and specific groups and specific marketing. And it even happened at the level of the UN. So I live in, this is a little off topic, but I used to live in Bedford, New Hampshire and the public school there, they had adopted this UN curriculum, international baccalaureate curriculum. So I didn't end up sending my kids there. And so, but I ended up looking at, well, what's the history of this? And it turns out,

Since twenty fourteen, they had introduced this pronoun concept through the International Baccalaureate program through the U.N. in the United States in public schools. So this stuff gets wild. And so I'm a big proponent. But with that said, crypto dot com, I am reducing my use of crypto. I'm only using crypto dot com because I can't use bid pay anymore. So I use this very sparingly. But but they. we're, I don't think they're a partner company, but they did something with the WEF. So I'm like, all right, I'm out, I'm out on that. I'm transitioning off from that. So yeah, But these are the kinds of decisions that we can start to make, you know, these little decisions that we

make thirty five thousand of every day add up. So just changing one thing here and there and starting to use local merchants and starting to do peer to peer, it does add up. And this is a long this is a long game. Hopefully, hopefully we've got more time because I I think if we if you look at that tyranny index, they really are a lot further than most people think. When I give this talk and when I present this information, most people aren't aware of how much tracking goes into the existing system. how much programming there is with the existing system, they don't realize that they worry about with CBDCs most of the things that are already actively going on today. I heard in England,

they're getting ready to build extra prisons for the people that speak out against the government. And there's a lot of big First Amendment issues going on over there. The social credit score aspect of the CBDC is probably one of the scariest parts of it. It is scary. And again, I'm writing an article about the fact that we really have a social credit system already. It's called the tax code. Even things like four or one K's or even taking the seventeen sustainable development goals and looking at, OK, well, look, we give tax credits for companies like Solyndra. We give I mean, so we use the we weaponize That is our form of social credit system. the tax system.

It doesn't have a shiny user interface. We don't know what our score is, but our behavior certainly is penalized and rewarded. So what so you can see how how quickly this could could escalate here. And again, it wouldn't require any change. There's no big like technology change. There's no like, oh, like Obamacare, they've got to do some big Web site. They don't actually have to change any of the underlying technology. Congress just has to decide they want to implement this type of measurement. And if you look at what happened to Dr. Mercola, and when we had the technical difficulty at the beginning, I replayed that Nick Fuentes quip, and I played it because This guy's gotten shut down

from five different bank accounts, as did Kanye West for political speech. No one was ever charged for a crime. He still can't get banking services. As he said later in one of these things, he can't even sell hats. He's trying to sell hats now and he can't get a credit card processor. He can't keep a bank. He's even had Bitcoin tracked and seized. So this is happening in America today. This isn't even like I mean, I see all these people saying, oh, yeah, look at how bad it is in in England. Kind of, you know, people in America doing that. And I'm like, well, what about Douglas Mackey? who was sentenced to prison for a social media post about Hillary Clinton in the election in twenty sixteen.

He was facing he actually put it in my book. He didn't end up getting ten years, but he ended up getting a shorter sentence than that. I think he's out now. But this but in the United States, people have gone to prison for what they posted on on social media. So we've, we've already done it. It really is just a matter of how much easier does it become? How many, how many, to what degree does it become automatic? Right. It's, it's one of those things where, you know, we were talking about Facebook, what will they allow to post or not? And then all of a sudden an algorithm comes in and it's like, all right, you automatically have your bank frozen. There's no,

there isn't any adjudication process. It's just instant. And that, and that is where, where this stuff ends up leading to. So for the, um, Yeah, England doesn't have a First Amendment, that's true. But they do claim to have some form of free speech. So for these workshops, so one thing that, I'm just going to throw this out there, I feel like I need to have a regular, I don't know how often it is, every month or something, for people that have attended the workshop, for people to be able to check in, on kind of what the updates are. So I'm going to keep the website there. And the website that I showed you, the alternative assets thing on the thing,

that'll always be updated. But I also think I want to throw out a couple of things to you, I guess, Dan. I'm thinking that after these workshops, maybe... a week after two weeks after, because there's a lot of information. We just went through a ton of information. And so a certain number of people will have successfully received the wallet and they'll have the stuff and everything else. Some people will not have had success actually even in the event. So there, there's going to be some followup there, but then others, I've just talked about these things, you know, XLX and everything else. I didn't even show Spritz. So, um, I think it might be worthwhile to

at some time interval after the workshop, have a, not a podcast, but a web, you know, Zoom meeting where people can ask questions. What do you think about that? Yeah, that's a great idea to even form possibly even a little community where the people can help each other on how to get on board with local communities where the workshops are going on. Yeah, I think that's, that's, that's a great idea. Because I just I want to keep the momentum going. I know it's a lot of information. And I know, you know, so to me, it's, it's a big milestone for people to just get the first crypto, then the other next milestone is making your first purchase with crypto. Like that, that is a real, like,

I can't tell you, it's a barrier. Again, like I go through this, it's like, Okay, yeah, I read the book. uh okay they believe you know they they read the book then they do their own research and they're like okay the cbdc threat is real the social credit thing this is real and then they look at you know these elections and they're like yeah we're not voting our way out so all right I'm ready to take that first step so then we're doing that now and then they'll have the crypto but then I think making a first transaction is is is next and ultimately what I want to do and I don't have it in this presentation yet I might have it I probably won't have it by new jersey but

I wanna also have a point of sale system. And even to the point where we might have a breakout session where business owners, we can actually help them set up their websites so that they can accept alternative currencies. So actually make that part of the workshop. So just like the idea is you walk out of the workshop and now you have a wallet and you know how to use it. Businesses can actually accept it. And that's actually an action item that comes out of the workshop. Because now you have people that are attending that have crypto that they want to spend. And now you have businesses that can accept crypto. This is how we're going to make this work. This is totally how this works.

is going to happen. And when is the book revision expected? So the book revision is going to be, I don't know if I can get some sleep probably in a couple of weeks, but, but the website, the link that I put to the alternative assets thing that I have at the let me, let me pull it up right now. This, this page, this is even showing up. Sure. Okay. This page, which is I don't know why that's not showing. Interesting. Daylightfreedom.org forward slash alternative hyphen assets. I'll get a shorter URL, but you can get there by going to Daylight Freedom, clicking on inform and then clicking on alternative assets.

And if you do that, that gives you. the list of everything that we just went through. And there's more information on there as you scroll down the bottom. I'm cleaning this up. So basically this page is going to become, I will rewrite and edit this and then this is what's going in the book. So understand that this page is going to be what the updated material is in the book. And then moving forward, when I update it, I'm going to be very clear that always revert to this. And I wanna say this at all times, if you're listening to this now, whenever you're listening to this, if you're listening to this three weeks from now, three months from now, go to this website to see

what I'm actually doing, because it's conceivable that half of what I just told you, if you were just listening, is not what I'm using. So that's just the nature of this. So the end goal for me though is, at some point in time six months twelve months down the line we have a workshop where there's one wallet and within one wallet they can do most of the functions they'll have xano they will have we haven't even done tokens yet tokenizing alternative assets they'll have xano they'll have monero they'll be able to do gift cards debit cards everything out of one thing and even maybe gold and silver tokens in there as well with possibly the ability to redeem for physical and silver

inside the cake wallet I would love to see that happen and I would love to see a point of sale system that integrates all of these privacy coins and um and tokenized gold and silver that for the merchant can be redeemed for physical metals to me that's the that's the end game and I'd like a year from now when people walk out they're like oh hey this is great I've got one simple tool and I just met five merchants at the workshop that uh actually take this stuff And then, you know, and then we're on our way. Um, it's not going to be like that. bit clunky as it was now. It's going to be a little Um, but at least we're, we're moving the ball forward. Um, and I'll, let's see,

I was going to say that, uh, and I'm going to stress this and I, I know I've said it the last several times, but I'm going to keep saying it because it's people don't, um, don't focus on it yet, or it hasn't sunk in, but it's really, really important. Because if you're listening to this right now, somebody says we need a wallet to use Raven and EVR tokens as well. I'll actually, I'll get to that in a second, because that's interesting. I just had a conversation about that last night. Let me... I want to say this because if you're out there, you might be saying, well, this is really complicated. And then you're thinking to yourself, this is really hard or my mother would never use this

or my aunt would never use this. It's too complicated. And then get down on the whole process. But understand that this stuff goes through an adoption curve. This is a scientifically studied kind of process for adoption. new technologies or ideas to be implemented. And you have your innovators at the first phase, then early adopters, early majority, late majority. We're at the innovator phase. So we're gonna get the people that are, either they like playing around with new stuff, just out of curiosity, or these are people, and there are a lot, that have already been targeted by the federal government, that already can't use banking services, that were woken up by COVID tyranny.

that were woken up by inflation and now are starting to question the Federal Reserve. These are people that are willing to go through the process that is a little bit inconvenient that I've just described because they know that they have to, they know that we need to begin incrementally working towards an alternative. That's who we're going after right now. So if you're sitting here saying this is too hard for my mother or my grandmother or my brother, whoever it is, understand that by the time we get to the early adopter phase, We will make these tools better. So the only way this will work is if these tools are better than the existing system and better than CBDCs.

And they absolutely can be, but it's going to require work. So I'm not presenting this as an ideal solution. I'm presenting this as something that is somewhat complicated, but I think I've shown that you can. I mean, I have for five years. I've been able to do this without having a personal bank account, and I have been moving the continuum more towards direct peer-to-peer transactions. So it is possible, but it takes extra work. But if more people join me with this, and there are more, and then we get merchants involved, then by the time we're going to mass adoption, these tools are going to be so easy to use that it's going to be indistinguishable from people using their bank accounts

today or using Apple Pay. People will be using touch-by-pay cards. They're not going to have to download all this complicated software or cut and paste these long and confusing addresses and everything else. We'll have worked all that out. I already know what's in the Xano pipeline for the next six months, and they're going to make this stuff even easier than it is. It's going to be super simple, and in fact, it's going to be really super simple to flip uh between coins I see bethany said I'll help that already you've already been would be great you've a great help so and that's great and by the way I hope I hope what we're doing is we're building a movement here of people that that

want freedom that want to be able to engage in voluntary exchange outside of this technocratic dystopian system and and so I I am encouraged by the fact that people are even on here today but by the response that we've had so far and as long as we're aware of the expectations. Because if I was going out and saying, oh, yeah, look at how great this is. Everybody's going to sign up for this tomorrow. I would be out of my mind. I know they're not. And understand in my own mind, I'm balancing. Because when you do these in front of a hundred people, that's when you really realize where the gaps are. What I'm excited about is there's going to be somebody from Cake Wallet actually at this event.

So we're going to have People that work on the front end of these things actually seeing in real time, in person, what people are experiencing. And that is the whole thing. Steve Jobs was successful because he was an absolute tyrant about design. And if you think about it, I mean, you know, think about how many devices there are combined into an iPhone. And the idea of, well, it can only be literally one click away. That two clicks away is too much. And he would just be outright belligerent with people within the company, but he was so passionate about making products that were user-friendly for people. Nobody's had that spirit within crypto. That has not been the underlying DNA.

There's been a lot of, oh, well, hey, this is cool, and me and my buddies can do it. But there's nothing inherently about crypto that limits it from being user-friendly. There's nothing about the technology that makes it impossible. So I actually think our movement and getting more people together and getting feedback and getting merchants, the developers. we're already working with I mean, I'm going to the BCH conference. We're going to Mineratopia. I'm talking to the devs actually in... on Monero and Zcash and Zano. I'm talking to all of them. And so I think we can facilitate this. That's why I'm actually optimistic that we can pull this off. What exactly was anypay.com?

I remember a couple of years ago, Derek was talking to me about that and Anarchapoco. So, I used AnyPay back in twenty nineteen. In fact, I see somebody in the chats like we need that wall to use Ravencoin and Evermore. Actually, I got Derek to implement Ravencoin on AnyPay. AnyPay is a point of sale system that works with multiple cryptocurrencies. And it was a it was a really good point of sale system. And New Hampshire had huge, huge adoption. We had in Portsmouth and in Keene, we had a number of restaurants and merchants that took multiple cryptocurrencies and used AnyPay. And this kind of highlights what's going on here. So Ian Freeman, if you all don't know him,

he's just Liberty icon for decades and started Free Talk Live with Mark Edge. And he's been spreading peace and freedom and cryptocurrencies for decades. And he actually he first aired a segment about Bitcoin in twenty ten. And so, in fact, he introduced Roger Ver to Bitcoin. And so he set up a whole bunch of merchants. Anyway, he was raided by the FBI. And so a lot of my friends and people that I know were raided along with that. And I think they went after Derek as well. And Stephen, the creators of AnyPay, they knocked on the door. I understand they knocked on the door, but didn't have a warrant. So those guys left. And so unfortunately, the project was abandoned,

but they've made it open source. So one of the fallback for me positions is to fork any pay and to build on top of what they've created. That's kind of the fallback if I can't find somebody else that has a point of sale system. But maybe we bring the people in. Again, my goal on this isn't I will build it if I have to, but my goal isn't that I I just want the solution. want to build it. And, but I know what the criteria are for the solution. It has to be open source so that it can't be shut down again. if it like what happened with any Right. You know, that actually informed my pay before that, criteria of if we're going to build a point of sale system, it can't be a single point

of failure through a corporation. So they're great guys, though. They are great. I mean, they were it's actually Derek was at every pork fest that I was at for forever. And then all of a sudden he wasn't. It's kind of sad. The federal government is. Really likes going after people that are pro freedom and anti-war. It's it's really discouraging. Um, so Raven coin, I, so when we first chatted, so, so on that, I want to get, cause a lot of people like I I've, I've been a big fan of Raven coin. So when I exited political activism, I gave up on, on the voting route and, and I decided to go into crypto. The idea being that just like Bitcoin was to get rid of the third parties and

banks and government involvement in money, you can take that same technology and apply it to the other was a project to do that. It is a fork of Bitcoin. And it's actually a really cool project. You can create tokens really easy without smart contracts. It's very fast and cheap to use, like a fraction of a penny to send. The issue that it has for people like, well, why aren't you talking about Ravencoin right now? My focus is on alternatives to CBDCs. And Ravencoin, while it can be used as a payment mechanism, that wasn't what it was intended to do. And it is transparent. And unfortunately, because of where we are right now, we actually need privacy. Privacy is critical based on

what we now know about chain analysis and tracking. And this also relates to the assets. With that said, I think Zano might turn out to be the solution here. for Raven coin, because you will be able to bridge Raven coin tokens into Zanos. You will be able to make Raven coin and Raven coin tokens private. And I, this is something that I've talked to people about in the Zeno community. And, you know, there may be a possibility of that because people have created over eighty thousand different tokens. And I have in their unique token names, by the way, in Raven coin. So I have Snowden. I have Assange. I have You know, like a whole bunch of, you know, unique token names on the

RavenCoin blockchain. But for right now, when I'm doing these workshops, I'm focusing on cryptocurrencies that people can use that are private, that have low transaction fees and and that fit that criteria. And that's all on this page, too, on this informed page. And by the way, if you're out there and you're listening to me and you're like, oh, well, why didn't you consider this or this? This is an ongoing process. So I've even put it on the website. Like here are the tier one cryptos. Here are the tier two cryptos. I'm going to update this page as well to actually... indicate which projects are in, uh, under review. So I, it looks like we haven't announced it yet,

but Chris Rice from Rice TV X, which I highly recommend him. He has a great podcast. He's been doing this for years. He's interviewed like everybody. Um, he and I might do a biweekly podcast where we, we talk about a lot of things, but one of the areas of focus is going to be different privacy projects, uh, above and beyond, um, above and beyond Zano and Monero, looking at Pirate Chain and these other things and actually bringing in people from those projects and interviewing them and exploring that. So just so that you all know that none of this is ever stagnant and my philosophy isn't even to try to become a maximalist. The only thing that I wanna maximize is individual freedom.

And so, and, and my assumption just naturally would be that that solution would have, would be an ongoing competitive process. So has anyone had experience with load pay digital gold and silver back payments? I think they have a merchant pay side as well as a customer side. I I've heard of them and I, and this is one that I would say, but I haven't actually talked to them or experimented with them. There's other glint. There are, There are several others. And so just one of the things I'm going to add to this is a form where people can recommend things that I look at. So just to keep that in mind. But I want to be very transparent about what the criteria are, why I'm doing all of this,

so that we're evaluating these things on an objective basis. Um, let's see. All right. So I'm for this, for this thing on tomorrow. Yikes. Uh, I'm going to do the overview part for in an hour and then start with the XANA wallet for a half an hour. So what I have them, so what they've built at Zano is a form. There's a website people can go to where they can paste their address. And then the Zano guys can actually send it all out at once. So that way if like fifty people or a hundred people sign up, The thing about these privacy coins,

and this is why we've been having some of these experiences, and it's true with Monero as well, it's when you send a coin, it kind of freezes your wallet. You can't send a coin and then send another coin. You have to wait for your transaction to complete before you can do another one. Well, that's a problem when you're sitting in front of a hundred people. So we have a solution for Zano. The solution that we have for Monero is somebody from Cake Wallet is going to be there. And I think you can actually send out multiple things. You can do a little batch thing. But these are all things that we're experimenting with. And as we go through this experience, I think the wallet... The

thing I like about Cake, by the way, I want to add this, is that... The CEO, Vic, he's completely ideologically aligned. I mean, this is a guy that owns Monero.com. He is absolutely committed to privacy. And from the very first time I had a conversation with him, it was very clear because it's not the case. I mean, some of these people, some of these wallet companies, you're kind of like, Yo, yeah. Hey, KYC, I can't wait till we can integrate with this centralized thing. Like this is that Vic is his, he's been very thoughtful about the way that he has, he's put this together. So, so I'm, I'm hopeful that, that we can collaborate and, and look, I mean, it looks like we are so that we

can take the data, the real feedback we're getting from these workshops can go directly to the developers and the user interface people. Cause that's been missing, man. I'm telling you that that, These people that create these products don't go out in the field. They don't sit down with real world potential customers. They don't go outside of the people that are in their own office. And so, but I think the cake people really want to, they want people engaging in commerce and, and valuing privacy. And they, they're not, they're very committed to that. So hopefully that will work well. Somebody said, I bought Zeno below three on your advice. Wish I'd bought more. I don't want to make investment

Look, advice on this. And I will also tell you, I invest where I put my money and my energy where I want things to go. Meaning, I won't buy things I don't believe in, even if they'll go up in price. And that's not necessarily a way to maximize your fiat returns, but it's a way for me to... focus the attention and energy that I have in the right place and not be distracted. I know a lot of people that I'll, that, Like it's, you know, again, they'll advocate for vaccine choice. They have a four Oh one K that has Pfizer and Moderna in it. Your money is an expression of your energy. So I, I believe in Zeno, but in part it's because I want Zeno to work because

we need privacy cash and privacy tokens on the, on the flip side. I, what I also add is, you know, Roger Ver is the one who, who, really encouraged me to take a look at it. And he's the one who I learned about Bitcoin from in twenty ten. And so what I'll say is I'll say it like this. So Roger has been. Probably the most principled person I've I've seen in terms of of his actions, both in terms of crypto, but also he actually funds a lot of free market think tanks and works on a lot of other interesting projects like trying to buy Joe Cian and different models for governance and ways of like he's done some really interesting things and St.

Kitts to help promote people getting citizen in St. Kitts like he's really committed to this. So he's always been about peer to peer digital cash and he's always been about that as a tool to spread freedom, but also to stop. the tyranny of and the war machine that is funded by fiat currency. So he's always been clear about that. And he's invested in a ton of different things. So he's now fourteen years into this process and now he's experiencing this attack by the federal government. he'd already been thrown in prison Again, for selling fireworks and some weird thing where he was clearly targeted because he was speaking out against the government because other people got away with it.

He was the only one to go to jail. to prison for something. And it was because he was out, you know, saying things like taxation is theft and so on and so forth. But Roger is, he told me, he's like, this, this is, you really should look at this. I'm very, very interested in this. And well, why would he be interested in this? Well, he's always been for peer to peer cash. And, And they're going after his transaction using chain analysis from from a decade ago. And that is, you know, I mean, it's anti-freedom what they're doing. And I'm not going to belabor his case, but his case is complete bullshit what they're doing to him. They want to make an example of him because he was one

of the most effective people at spreading the liberty message. And then he learned that Bitcoin was hijacked or he was there when Bitcoin was hijacked. He tried to warn people about it by writing this book, Hijacking Bitcoin, that lays out all of the facts about how Bitcoin was hijacked. And it isn't freedom money and it isn't what people are trying to market it as. And three weeks after he does that, he gets thrown out. in prison in Spain, in the same place that John McAfee was thrown in prison. And now he can't talk right after writing this incredible book. amplify his message, So this is part of why I because I believe in his message. And he's been consistent about his message.

So the fact that he's as excited about this is what caused me to actually spend the time to look at it. And then when I did my own research, I'm like, wow, this is This solves a lot of the Raven coin problems. This solves a lot of the Bitcoin problems and has some other factors into it that I'd never even contemplated before. But do your own research. And but it's got like a minuscule market cap. The market cap is like under one hundred million dollars. So so this thing is only at the very beginning of of its of its development. So I am personally interested and invested in it. So. That's. That's what I'll say about that. So, yeah, that's it. I mean, we're building a movement.

This really is a movement. I'm hoping that at the end of this – and I enjoy doing these things, meeting – the people are great, and these events are great. I'm really looking forward to the one in New Jersey just because it's Dan, and I know he puts together a great thing. But this is a real – community of people that are on the cutting edge and by the way this is difficult you know you might think that one thing I've been stunned about and even talking to dan about this I mean there are a lot of libertarians that like are unfamiliar with crypto and most people are unaware of cbdc's there's so much that is is in here this is why it has to be a four-hour workshop you'd be like, well,

can't you get this down to more? Can you have people like, can't you make it shorter? I'm like, if I make it shorter, I guarantee you people will walk away with, Oh, well, they will have already judged in their mind, a whole set of things. And if you don't lay out the whole thing, then, then it won't make any sense. I mean, it could be hours, but you know, I know that's unreasonable, but, but four hours is necessary to drill all of the basics, but it's tough to get those initial people. And, but I'm not offended if people, uh, don't engage now and and again I want to say that this whole innovators in these different stages this is really important so I don't want to be on

mainstream news there's some people like why isn't this on fox news right now or why isn't this on cnn and I don't want it to be because if it was the reaction I would be dealing with so many negative reactions based on this quote Audience presented with a theory one level above their understanding, they find it inspiring. When it's two levels above their comprehension, they fall asleep. At three levels, they become angry. And at four levels, they want to kill the presenter. And I always, actually, I might just keep this as a constant reminder in every one of these podcasts, because it doesn't just apply to what we're doing here with crypto. I was on a libertarian space the other day,

and somebody was like, Well, when I'm talking to somebody at the checkout line, why don't people just, you know, why aren't they interested in these libertarian solutions in Austrian economics? It's like because ideas don't work like that. You don't you don't get an idea in the marketplace by going mainstream out of the gate. You've got to actually start small and show that it works. And then people will follow along in a sequence. So it's so refreshing when you take this outlook because you're not trying to convince everybody. But at the same time, you also know because a lot of if you're compassionate and your goal is you actually want to see a freer place with less violence, then,

you know. There are some people might look at it as, oh, well, this is just going to be something for the, it's not going to be for the elite. It's something that has to go through stages before it gets to everyone else. So those people aren't going to get left behind. They're just not going to be the ones that are involved in it early, but, but it'll get to them. We just have to focus on those two and a half and not get distracted by people that you could spend, you could spend, you could spend hours talking to them. And at the end, you're not going to convince them anyway. And then you walk away from that. It's like, oh, yeah, this is real. This is frustrating. You could have spent that

sixteen hours onboarding, people that are already at the innovator stage, people that are already ready to hear your message, people that are ready for the solution. And the reason I'm doing the workshop like this, the solution part of this, showing people the wallets, showing people how to pay bills and everything else. Everybody wants a solution. People are sick of doom. I mean, all we have is doom. Everything is doom. I mean, there isn't, frankly, a lot of good news because there isn't a lot of good news. But the last thing I want to do is go and spread more doom and then not provide solutions. There are solutions. We can create the solutions. And this is one.

So I would say just apply this, but apply this concept because this concept of of uh adoption through these phases this is like this has been studied scientifically I was it was funny I was in a another chat with somebody in liberty that actually it independently has been promoting that this is an approach to take with liberty um and not to be you know not to be discouraged so um I know this is going a long time for sleep uh Thank you. True death after lunch. Yeah, no, I'm on four hours in the last three days. And yeah, we'll see how this goes. I don't think I'm done either. But any other comments about this? I am just looking for feedback for tomorrow, too, because this this literally

is the first time I've run through this. These are all new. This is all of this is new. No. Okay. Well, we ended up getting five hundred and thirty six. I mean, we ended up we ended up getting some some better numbers. This it started out bad. We've got to work. I've got to work on something with when this thing launches because it's just not I mean, it's it's down eighty percent from from two weeks ago. So I've got to figure out a new way to to boost these things up. So but we'll figure that out. All right, well, if there isn't anything else, then I guess we'll call it a night. And I appreciate everybody spending all the time and

also dealing with all of the technical snafus that we had. And as always, I'm accessible. If you've got any comments or if anything comes up after the fact, just send me a note. I'm here, I'm accessible, and I'm committed to making this work. All right. Awesome. Have a great night. Have a good night, Aaron. All right.