The Aaron Day Show Episode 16: Live From Porcfest

Looks good. All right. Let's do it. Welcome to The Aaron Day Show, season two, episode sixteen. We are live from Porkfest. Yes, we are. Yes, we are. It's Saturday night. This is the final night of Porkfest. The Porkfest-iest moment of Porkfest. We're competing with karaoke. Indeed.

We're competing with a band. We're competing with an alcohol cart. So you may hear some interesting signs. Anything can happen. Anything can happen. I can assure you it is happening out there somewhere. Whatever it might be. uh tonight we have a particular focus which is uh this tent that I co-sponsored has had a purposes over the course of couple of different this week one is to promote privacy coins like zeno and monero there's no better uh goal as far as I'm concerned exactly and the other is to raise awareness about our political prisoners that are still suffering from biden era crypto lawfare yep namely men and roger but there are certainly others roman I can't remember what

Roman's last name is. Storm. Storm, yeah. And those are the three that I've been focusing on. Obviously, Ian being my former business partner. My name is Mark Edge, former host of Free Talk Live. And my business partner, Ian Freeman, was thrown in jail for selling Bitcoin about a year and a half ago. And I've been trying hard to get him out, but it's slow going. So what is the process? Because I was with you at the hearing. Yep. So in February, we went to the Boston Circuit Court of Appeals. We were in front of the three-judge panel. Now, those three judges... none of whom was a prosecutor,

which is unheard of. This just doesn't happen. Then one of those judges mentions that the IRS agent in Ian's case said that Ian didn't necessarily even have a tax burden. And that's an essential part of four of the seven charges that Ian's sitting in prison for right now. You must, in order to have a tax evasion charge, you must have a tax burden. You must owe money. The IRS, the Internal Revenue Service, the scariest organization to any American, has never sent Ian a letter saying, you owe this much. Therefore, he has no tax burden, and it is patently illegal for him to be in prison for But these four judges have

waited twenty something weeks in order to, you know, at this point, they have not acted upon his appellate bond. And I'm beginning to wonder if they really believe that it is better that ten guilty men go free than one and stays in prison. Well, I certainly doubt that. Yeah. I think we already know that. I don't think we're losing any sleep over it. But I really wonder what's going on. I honestly expected Ian to be free by March. And it is now the end of June. I still believe he'll be out by the end of the year. Yeah. But I just, I mean, I'm wondering what's going on. Why is this taking so long? It seems obvious to me. Well... none of the doj cases have really been settled so when

trump ran on this pro-crypto platform and in fact he declared mission accomplished you know sure the crypto war is over yep uh but unfortunately we still have prisoners of war sure and particularly anything related to the doj so I know the doj has a lot on the plate a lot of other issues to deal with but trump could just go ahead and garden these three men and then take care of this particular issue I'd be happy to look into who might else be in prison for cryptocurrency charges. But I can tell you there are dozens of men who spent time in prison and currently have a record simply for selling Bitcoin. Yep. I'm not talking about people selling drugs on the Internet. I'm just talking about

selling Bitcoin and that all under the Biden administration. And, you know, makes me wonder what's going on. Well, Biden signed an executive order, one, four, zero, six, seven, that authorized the U.S. to explore CBDC. And in that same executive order, it also authorized a complete government crackdown on crypto. Yeah. So this was in March of twenty twenty two. And this set everything in motion. So all of these SEC cases and all of these arrests, the banking, all of this stem from this executive order. if we're going to be pro crypto now, But again, you know, pro Bitcoin, then it's time to alleviate the pressure. Sure. It was one of the oversteps of Biden's administration.

It needs to be undone. That's why Trump's in office. When I was at the Libertarian National Convention and Trump spoke there, he promised three things to make Bitcoin, sort of make America Bitcoin great again. I don't know if he said reserve currency, whatever he said. He basically said, make America safe for Bitcoin. He was going to free Ross Ulbricht. He did that. And he was going to keep us out of World War III. I'm hoping he intends to honor that, not just change with whom we're fighting. It doesn't look good so far. It's not looking great. I heard we just bombed Iran. We just bombed Iran? Trump and his military just bombed Iran? I hate that. The U.S. I don't know all the details.

I'm sure there are others out there no more than I do. I heard we were sending in B-tubes. They have bunker bustings that only the U.S. can do. provide to do whatever. Wunderbar. Anyway. Yeah, exactly. what I want to do with these videos is So, to create clips that can be Yeah. shared online. Because all those are actually really popular. And I know with a lot of people, because I've been traveling around the country doing, with my wife, you know, a year and a half. And I talked about Ian and Roger in every single one of those workshops. And people don't know about this. I mean, I can tell you from my experience and traveling to weird places, people have no idea what Ian's story is and people

don't know what Roger's story is either. What is the elevator pitch or what is the short summary to describe Ian's case? Sure. Ian and I were the First media in the world to talk about Bitcoin on Free Talk Live in December, twenty eight, twenty ten. Ian and I shortly thereafter, a couple of years later, founded an organization with other people called Bitcoin Not Bombs. And it's our belief that currency of value holds governments responsible. Let me give you an example. In nineteen forty two, when the government wanted to prosecute its war against Germany and Japan

in World War Two, it went out to the American people and said, buy war bonds, loan us money to fight this war. We'll give you some interest back. In two thousand and four, when a reporter asked George Bush, how do we help in the war on terror? George Bush said, go shopping. He didn't say loan us money. He said increase the velocity of... You really want to find out what that is, but nonetheless... We know that governments, any government that can print whatever amount of money it wants,

they're going to act irresponsibly. And they're not going to care. And the military-industrial complex is going to take over. Eisenhower, a general in World War II, warned us about this. And we fell into the trap. So... Basically, Ian and I realized that Bitcoin was a currency of value, that if it became a world reserve currency, which at the time I really thought that that was going to happen, then we managed to stop the war machine in its tracks. And then hopefully some level of responsibility would be in place. Ian truly believed in this and truly acted upon it. He began to try to get Bitcoin into the hands of as many people as possible. He sold on local Bitcoins,

bitcoin.com slash local, and a variety of other ways he worked to get Bitcoin into the hands of other people. He'd ask all kinds of questions. He'd make sure that he had a picture of the people who were buying, holding their driver's license. He'd ask them questions about why they were buying, whether they're investing. They would have to answer the questions properly in order for him to do business with them. He had five thousand good business ratings, five-star ratings on local Bitcoins. But the government didn't like what he was doing and the way he was doing it. So they charged him They never told him what his

tax burden was. They said he was invading taxes. It's crazy. You have to know how much you have to pay in order to evade it. That's part of the law, but never in his trial was that mentioned. There was never a tax burden. They claimed he laundered money by the judge through that charge out, and the jury found Ian unlikable. And they found the little old lady stories to be little sob stories. So they decided, well, if we can't convict the guy who did the murder, we'll convict the gun store owner who sold him the gun. And that's what they did. Ian sold the Bitcoin to the scammers, to these little old ladies, and the little old ladies gave it to the scammers, so Ian must be in on it.

And that's what happened. That's a great, that's the best concise description I think I've ever heard. I don't know if anybody's ever called me concise in my life. Well, that was a great, great description of this. It's my understanding, am I wrong on this, that Ian had an opinion letter at the state level, but he didn't need a money transmitter license? That's correct. Ian was operating the entire time with a lawyer's opinion letter that said he wasn't a money transmitter. And it's true, he wasn't a money transmitter, but... That opinion letter was never allowed to be mentioned in court or never was mentioned in court. I mean, you'd think the jury would care But no, about that.

Ian was operating under the opinion the entire time. The lawyer's opinion for whom he paid money, for which he paid money, said that he wasn't a money transfer. So how could he be charged with that? But he was. Didn't New Hampshire pass a law that says you don't need a money transmitter? In New Hampshire, That's correct. you don't need a money transmitter. But the United States government still felt like you did. So it's a complete gray area Okay. no matter what. Absolutely. Don't forget that some of these charges from twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, there wasn't any kind of guidance on what Bitcoin was as far as money at this time. We don't know. So, this jury would have taken Ian off his

murder if that had been an option. God rest his soul. I mean, I sat in on some of that. doing selective editing of audio files. It seemed like they were No. Ian asked during the trial, from the stand, will I be able to rebut this? And they said yes, and then he didn't get to talk about it. This is a horrible situation. Yeah, it was a very strange situation. Do we have any idea how much money the government spent holding their case? It has to be... Five million dollars. It just... And they got nothing. You know, no return. And... Ian said at his sentencing,

they had compensated some money out of his state so he couldn't get it back from them. He said... He was willing to sign a paper that said he would never see that money returned to him so long as it got into the hands of the United States government and it went directly to the victims. So he was willing. You didn't hear on appeal whether he ever got his money back. This was three million dollars, a lot of money. I'd rather it go to the victims to He said, drop million dollar bombs on ten dollar tents. That's how thoroughly he believed the message of Yep. Wow. Bitcoin not bombs. So they still confiscated this, right? They had confiscated it on day one, March twenty something,

March sixteenth of twenty twenty one. They went in his safe. It had been in other places and it was really just an accident of timing. It happened to be in his home safe at that moment. Wow. So it's part of the Bitcoin strategic reserve. I think it was probably sold before Trump got in office. Yeah, I see. Okay. they probably got upset that much of Well, the...

confiscated the resort. And as I understand, they did not get the currency out of those transactions. I'm sure they used it to reduce the debt, not buy more bombs, right? So how can people help at this point? There's really only one thing you can do. So the only thing you can do is go to freeinnow.org and sign the petition. We're working on angles. Obviously, we've got the appeal in, and I'm hoping good things happen from the Boston First Court of Appeals. I don't know, but I'm hoping. And the thing is, we're trying to get the message in from the Trump administration for him to honor his word to end the war on crypto and to release the prisoners of war.

I mean, that's how you end it. You don't just get locked up. So I'm hoping very much that the end is out. I believe it will be out at the end of the year. But please, please, please go and to freemiannow.org and sign our petition. Yeah, and I would say on that with these petitions, please direct message them to people. I mean, you can post them on social media, but social media sites don't like traffic going outside of their site. So you want to telegram groups, signal groups. If you have an email list, send it to your email list. These are the best ways to actually get them. signatures. And also it's a Change Now campaign, right? Or Change.org. So people can pay to use the petition,

correct? I don't know how that works. I'm pretty sure you can within Change.org. You can actually put in money to actually increase the reach of the petition within the Change.org organization. So that might be valuable. And I spoke to Lynn. I don't think she knows who has access to that roster. petition because they use change.org as well. It would be nice to use those. Get that thousand person list to help them out. Yeah, that would be really great. Yeah, I wish I hadn't thought about that at It'd be awesome. all. Because I really do believe when it comes to the petition, that the petition is an albatross around our neck until we get ten thousand signers. Until we have ten thousand signers,

I believe it just looks bad. So I'm hoping to get to ten thousand very, very quickly. But it's been kind of close to where we're going. So is everybody here signing right now? You're going? Everybody's signed up? Please, thank you. Freeeannow.org. Dave. Daughter, son, you guys want to put me in now.org? Wife, yes. The wife has already signed. I've already signed. I recommend it. I know I've signed from at least one account. I might have signed from two. I'm not entirely sure. I wasn't sure if it was Rogers. I don't know. I just wanted to make sure I'd signed everything. Better to be on Twitter than not to be on at all. So is there anything else you want to say?

I don't want to monopolize your time. No, I really would appreciate people to go. And I want everybody to know that Ian cares deeply about you, not only signing his petition, but Rogers at freerogernow.org. And Roman, I can't remember what his last name, but Roman Storm. And please, you know, these are the other guys that Ian would like to see out. And we're working very hard to get the message in front of Trump. So I think everybody's prayers will be useful. Okay, excellent. Are you open to taking questions? Yeah, I'd love questions. Anybody have any questions? Here we go. No questions? This is amazing. It's pretty straightforward. So let me tell my Bitcoin story.

I tried to keep things very succinct there, but we talked about we're the first media in the world Bitcoin, on Free Talk Live on December the twenty eighth, twenty tenth. And a man named Gavin Andreessen heard that show. And Gavin was at that time, he had been in the Red Keys by Satoshi Nakamoto. He was the head developer of Bitcoin. Gavin was a regular listener of Free Talk Live. In fact, he also sent us three dollars a month for commercial free podcasts. So he's an amplifier. Gavin sends a letter, says, hey, I'm an amplifier, sends an email, says, hey, I'm an amplifier. I want to explain Bitcoin to you. I want to come up to you to do it. And, of course,

if an amplifier says they want to meet us, I don't care if you want to show me pictures of your kids. I'm going to, you know, yeah, let's meet. So you're going to be three dollars a month for my podcast? We're going to meet. Absolutely. And he comes up to Tigard in the main street in Keen, New Hampshire. We all had the Trump monkey, by the way, which was all in it. And it was this idea that was available. And several things happened that day. He explained Bitcoin to us. Instead of being our first encounter with Bitcoin, we're all like, is it backed by gold? No, that it stinks. And he explained the utility of Bitcoin, the way the cryptography and the mathematics and how

it really did have value. And so we became convinced. I offered to sell him podcast ads, becoming the first ad venue in the world to accept cryptocurrency for ads in his magic internet money. He also wanted to make his first Bitcoin transaction with me, so he paid me. And we didn't have phone wallets back in twenty-one. He said, I'll pay you when I get home. So I just ran it on my card and then he sent me, I believe it was forty-six Bitcoin later. And Ian had to figure out how to store it. So we started on a little website called mybitcoinwallet.com. And for those of you who don't know, this was the first Bitcoin scam. Not your keys, not your coins,

ladies and gentlemen. And the guy scammed on mybitcoinwallet.com. But then people threatened to assassinate him, and he gave back half of everybody's coins. So... I had my twenty-three coins at this point. He was like, I'm going to figure out how to run a real wallet. And he figured out how to do his. Then he showed me how to do mine. And I just had a little blob with a .dat file in it. And I saved my own Bitcoin. And then Roger Ver, the show that we did that night with Andreessen, not with him, but after we talked about it, and he heard about Bitcoin from us.

He went on this manic three-day binge on cryptocurrency, and he... Got really excited. And then he's like, well, now I want to pay my advertising bill with you guys in Bitcoin. And back then we didn't know anything. Swiss bank accounts. We thought they were like So I was having everybody deposit into the same address. I got a vanity address with As a matter of fact, sort of my initials. So I know which ones. It's still out there on the internet somewhere. people put money in it. Every once in a while, It's really weird. And so a lot of early money went through this one address. I mean, there's enough money to buy a Navy for a small country that

went through now in today's dollars that had gone through that. Because we were getting... Well, from Roger, he had a ad bill of thirty five hundred dollars a month. And this was probably twenty twenty twelve or something that this was all occurring. And Bitcoin wasn't worth much then. So, yeah, it was wild times, wild times with Bitcoin. And people love that story. And if you really did love that story, please go to FreeIanNow.org and sign my petition or FreeRoger.org and sign that one too. And don't forget Romans. Yep. Yeah. That's it. I actually want to say, Mark and Ian, you guys are one of the reasons I'm in New Hampshire.

Yeah. I'm grateful that you moved for us. So I listened to Free Talk Live when I still lived in Boston. And I even called you before I moved up there. You took the call. I talked to you a couple times. It was amazing. I think how many available It's really weird. we were on the radio. No, it was phenomenal. And so it's amazing to be here. position of interviewing you I'm used to going on talk live so this is yeah I think it's great unique experience so um any other interesting stories you want to share no I think those are my uh stories but uh who are we bringing up next well Mark Demiesel Mark Demiesel I think I know Sal wants to come up too thank you thank you great to see you not too

bad Mark thank you Mark Yeah, Mark Edge is a legend. I thought he was maybe related to the Edge Wallet and then there's some story there too. Or was that just a joke? Is the Edge Wallet after you? Is that actually... Oh, wow. so the Edge Wallet is named All right, after breaking news, named after Mark Edge. And by the way, exciting news on this front, Edge Wallet now takes Zeno. So this is very exciting. Thanks, Mark. Yeah, so thanks for the invitation. Yeah, I'm also here at Porkfest to help

Roger Ver, however I can. But yeah, it's been... I had the privilege to be able to visit him in Mallorca since, well, I live in Europe, so it's for me easy to make such a flight. And when I heard that he was out on the build and... I really wanted to check out whether Yeah, He stood there on that island. he's okay. And my brother was there, was also arrested, went to prison. But that was just a small drunken man story. But in this case, yeah, it was very serious. So, yeah, I've met him a couple of times there and I've been very impressed how strongly he holds up himself.

He's true inspiration. Like I was once, or a couple of years ago, I was also chased by government agencies of Kenya and that totally freaked me out to the point that I stopped eating and I lost a lot of weight and was very stressed. But when I see him, yeah, he... You wouldn't know that he's in severe trouble just talking to him. He's focused on cryptocurrency projects like Zeno. And yeah, you couldn't tell that. Of course, he shares that he's working hard on his case with his lawyers. But yeah,

he's keeping his head very high there on that island. that's great because he's been there Well, for about four hundred and sixteen days. So this has been a pretty exasperating process. And of course, I'm sure everyone here knows and ninety years he's looking at one hundred potentially in prison here in the US. So. Yeah, and that's very scary. He's really fighting for his well, it's really his life, his freedom, but it's also his life. And it does take us very serious. Yeah. So, yeah, I don't know what else I can tell. Maybe you guys have some questions. What did you first learn about Roger? How far back is this?

I mean, I know you met him only recently, but I'm sure you've been tracking him longer than that. Yeah, so for me, Roger Ver was like the same as for many of you guys, a guy I saw on the internet talking about Bitcoin and in a way that really is convincing. He's focused on not taking money with it, but on the kind of freedom it can give you, the kind of control it can give you over your own money and also how it really helps in getting rid of evil that the government is doing or governance around the world so that's already really clicked with me at the time when I looked at bitcoin in twenty eleven um was twenty

twelve I had heard a little bit about it but I started to really take it serious in twenty twelve and um and then I looked at roger various interviews and for his and and he had also takes meyer at the time and davinci I looked at all these guys, but it was mainly Roger Verde that convinced me to take that step and also invest in Bitcoin. And since then, I've followed his lead. And also, actually, I was ahead of him in Bitcoin. in Bitcoin Cash because it's quite late to think he invented it. That's not the case. It was actually quite late to start to also support Bitcoin Cash. I actually invested before him in the futures market

for Bitcoin Cash and it took him half a year or so to also start investing in that But then I had a few interactions with him because I was also investing in Bitcoin Cash as he was and I had a few interactions there but it's only now after the arrest that I was able to meet him personally for the first time and then I can say that I befriended him now. I don't think it's a coincidence. I mean, listening to what Mark H. had to say about their original focus being on Bitcoin, not bombs. I mean, there's a very similar ideological approach between Roger and Ian, and I think this is why they were targeted. I took interest in Bitcoin when I heard Roger speak about it at a Liberty Forum event in

And at that time, he was talking about how this could end central bank tyranny and actually stop all of the wars around the world. And that was the primary use of it, to have money that anyone in the world could use that was unstoppable and facilitate voluntary trade and voluntary interaction. So I think this is why these two in particular were targeted when Biden decided to push his DEDC and crack down on crypto, because They're probably two of the most influential people on the planet at actually introducing people to using crypto for day-to-day commerce. I mean, it's amazing. I travel around with my wife. We do these workshops. Most people have never heard of the idea that you can

even use Bitcoin or cryptocurrency for transactions. They only know of it as a speculative investment. And so I find that fascinating because we're here. Obviously, everybody here is aware of crypto and it's probably used crypto or are using it at Porkfest itself. And most of the world is not familiar with that use case. Yeah, I think my impression is that he got arrested right on that time because Biden was going out of the office and basically had to strike to make it count. That was their last chance, at least based on these kind of charges that were... going to have an anniversary of ten years soon after.

So they were just on time to claim that they made a tax offense in twenty fourteen. And then also Biden was going out and then they strike. So it's a bit, yeah, just on time for them to do that. But yeah, I also believe that Roger Ver was targeted because, well, actually they were very foolish to charge him with nine years because that makes it very clear that it's political prosecution because you wouldn't do that for a normal tax case to ask such a ridiculous amount of years in prison. And they gave their card away in that way,

the same as they did to Ross Ulbricht. And maybe that would be also his luck, in that it's obvious to anyone looking into this that it's not a reasonable sentence to ask for such an offence, even if it would be true. And then they also went so far as to raid his lawyer's office. I've never heard that happen in the U.S. actually. When I was in Kenya, actually those agencies that went after me caused accusations to extort me. But actually, my lawyers also at one moment got threatened that if they don't cooperate with the corrupt police agents at police agencies,

then... they might be also getting into trouble um but actually never went before us to read uh the lawyer's talking about kenya africa office and then we're here I'm very surprised I does that happen in the was shocked to hear like united states that they rate uh lawyers offices and take a client privilege document uh confiscate that does that happen in any other case here It doesn't usually happen, although Trump has experienced some interesting situations. He saw a breach of his attorney client privilege with his lawyer, Michael Cohen. So it doesn't usually happen, but it's something that Trump should be familiar with. Okay, yeah. Yeah, but you see different kind of places

why they are targeted. But I think that Roger Verin did, like, I think he pissed off some very powerful people with what the things he has said in the media, such as when he was talking about kind of high up government official that was responsible for the sanctions against Iraq at the time, causing how many children to die uh uh five hundred thousand yes one hundred thousand and and and that the albright was the name of that uh government official and uh and that official said then also yeah that was the necessary thing to do uh and and I remember very crying on camera that that's totally unacceptable that the

government does that. And I think with things like that, that he said that he really got a target on his back that they need to shut down this person. And of course, evangelism was extremely effective also in convincing so many people to get started with cryptocurrencies. And some people think that when he released his book, Hijacking Bitcoin, that that's the reason why he got targeted. I don't think they work so fast, because it only was one month, two months after I read that book. But that book was, again, an amazing job of them to really get the word out about cryptocurrencies. So, yeah, these are my observations of it.

Yeah. One of the things I really like about Roger and what draws me to him, and actually we're going to be talking to Mark Passio here, hopefully shortly. I think about an interesting topic regarding kind of order followers. But what I like about Roger is his passion. And when you see him talk about Madeline Albright hundred thousand murders, being okay with five Of babies. Or you hear him talking about babies being murdered by the ATF. You see righteous anger. That's what comes out of Roger. And behind that is a true love for humanity and an understanding that people can engage in voluntary trade. We will have a peaceful and prosperous earth. And that's what actually drives him.

But that righteous anger, they want to shut that down. They want to shut down that spark. That's what I think this is all about. This is more about obedience to authority. I think that's fundamentally what this case is about. Certainly they violated his constitutional rights. That's kind of normal. And certainly they did all of these other egregious things, but they don't like it when people speak from the heart and with righteous anger. Yeah, so I think with Ros Willbrich, I agree with you. With Ros Willbrich, it was a real miracle that it all fell in place, as Lynn Willbrich was explaining, and that he got free. There was some serious luck involved there,

a lot of hard work, some serious luck. And yeah, Roger Ver is putting very hard work into it. to trying to remain out of the shackles of the US government and to try to make his case in any kind of way, looking to help himself. So, but I think serious look will be needed here too. So yeah, and I'm also a little bit, I don't know what I can do to help him more. I don't know. Well, sign the petition. The other thing that I want to mention is that Roger hearing coming up on July does have another court the twenty eighth at one thirty p.m.

Pacific time in L.A., L.A. courthouse. This is on a motion to dismiss hearing. Now, this has been changed three times, so it may likely be changed again. I keep on buying refundable plane tickets and refundable hotel tickets. accommodations. But I do recommend that if you can make it, please try to make it out. Showing support really does help. It helped with Ross and I think it'll help with Roger. Although we hope Roger won't actually be hearing because if he is, it means he's probably been extradited to the United States and is in federal prison. So hopefully Roger won't be there even if the hearing continues. Yeah, thanks so much for hearing me out about Roger.

really nice to be a part of the Yeah, movement to try to help him to get free again. Thank you. Thank you. sweatshirt and we'll be right back. I'm going to put on my Mark, do you want to come up? All right. Thank you.

Thank you. Hello? Check, check, check, check. I'm very excited about this. Mark was on my podcast last year Actually, with Michael Recktenwald. Got it right this time. We had a very interesting conversation about esoteric, esoteric topics. People really liked it. I actually got a lot of positive feedback. People wanted to hear more. And I know I've watched a

lot of your podcasts, as many as I can. I also got the ARC, so I appreciate you sending that. Yes. Tremendous information. But watching a lot of your podcasts, I noticed you've become a little bit frustrated. I've been frustrated for a long time. Yeah. And I get it. I mean, I actually feel the same way. We have a situation where people are not taking agency. They're not taking control of their life. Correct. They're not taking control of their thoughts, their emotions, their actions. And this is a real problem because we can't make progress unless people actually exercise their free will. That's right. I don't have a particular agenda for this. This is kind of an open discussion.

That's cool. How... What do you think the problem is in terms of waking people up? Great question. It's a question I've actually been asked here as I wander around on this little mini vacation here at Porkfest. talking with people and I'll give you the answer that I've been giving everybody else the problem lies with people's willingness to receive the truth their reception is off it is not a matter of the truth not being present it is not a matter of the truth not being knowable It is not a matter of the truth not being accessible unto us.

It's a matter of the human ego run amok. And the ego does not want to step aside and prepare a way for the reception of truth. That's the problem with the human mind. The human mind is loaded with junk. It's loaded with junk information. It's loaded with things that people believe to be true, which are not. It's loaded with things that are not the solution that people believe is the solution. It's like a cup that you want to put, I have a mug sitting over there you know, on my chair, okay? I had root beer in it earlier. If I want to have a nice American pale ale beer,

the root beer cannot still be in there. So you look at that as, that's not what I want, yet that's what's there. And in order for me to put what I actually want in that mug, I have to make space. I have to empty it out and make space for it to receive what I say that I want there. And that's how we have to look at people saying that they want freedom. Freedom has requirements. You don't just wish for something and it magically appears. The universe doesn't work in magical terms like that. There are requirements for states of existence. And the ego doesn't want to acknowledge those requirements. It wants to say, no, no, no, no.

That's not the requirement. I don't need to do that. I don't need to participate in that. I don't need to make it like that. I can have what I want even though I haven't prepared the way for anything. I'm not receiving truth. I'm not understanding requirements. I'm not acting in accordance with those requirements. I can just magically wish for something and then receive it. And this is, for lack of any better term, how religion operates. This is a form of religion. It's a false belief that people stay rigidly attached to because they want it to be true. And people want to believe

that freedom has negligible or zero requirements. We could just wish for it and then magically it comes onto us because we wanted to make it so. Freedom has very specific requirements. It requires tremendous mental and psychological and spiritual improvement compared to where the bulk of humanity is at. It is not a matter of what we need to begin to do or put in place or create new things or invent new technologies. The state of freedom, the requirements for the state of freedom are

actually a matter of what humanity must cease doing. That it is already actively engaged in doing, that it has no right whatsoever to do. And that involves not only behavior, but belief. It's not just activity with the body. It's the activity of the mind. Humanity not only doesn't have the right to enslave other beings, including ourselves, it doesn't have the right to do the physical behaviors that are based in violence and aggression and a violation of other people's rights that we constantly see.

It's a matter of we are even condoning that in the mind. We're even thinking and staying rigidly attached to thoughts that formulate whole belief systems that we have no right to believe. People want to think we have the right to believe whatever we want. See, this is the whole problem with the human imagination. It's our greatest potentiality and our worst enemy simultaneously. The imagination can get us to envision all kinds of betterment and ways things could be that they aren't right now. but it can also completely

run amok and then envision constructural concepts like some people have authority over other people. Or I don't need to actually learn how the laws of nature work. I can just wish whatever I want and somehow magically it'll become so. There's no discipline to the human mind, largely, in most people. They haven't been disciplined in how to learn. Most people are poor learners. They don't understand the methodology for learning. And I want to say that emptying the mind makes space for new experience and being fully present so

that it is actually absorbed. I see so many poor learners in my own experience because, I mean, I run seminars and teach information. And I'm so meticulous about the way I go about teaching things. And I am following a formula to try to get the information through to people. And it's not flawed. It's been a methodology that has actually been used for millennia. mostly to teach the elitist children, to teach the controllers of this world, to teach their children how to learn. They don't really teach this

to the average people. And the problem is people are poor learners because their minds aren't disciplined and their minds aren't present. In the attempt to receive knowledge, They're somewhere else. And it's the same thing with the potential freedom community. I call it potential because I don't believe we have a freedom community. We have what I call the my freedom community. People who want freedom for themselves. They don't extend their worldview out much beyond themselves or their own families. To all beings. Forget just all human beings. To all beings, period.

To all forms of consciousness. They don't have that kind of an expanded worldview. And so they're still locked in a state of selfishness ultimately. And when you attempt to get them to listen, they're elsewhere. Their minds are not fully present. They're thinking other thoughts. They're thinking competing thoughts and ideas that are preventing them from actually learning new ones. This is why I tell people that You have to learn truly how to be present and to be in the moment. And to do that, you've got to learn to meditate. Meditation prepares the mind for learning.

And it's not some pie-in-the-sky idea. It's not some religious concept. It's a very small concept of I'm going to stay so focused on one thing a word, a mantra, a sound, whatever, an object, that no other thought will be allowed to penetrate my mind. And this is one of the first things I would say to really wake somebody up. You have to teach them how to focus the mind. And you teach someone how to focus the mind by teaching them how to empty the mind. If the mind cannot be... guarded if we can't put a shield up and say I will not allow anything else to penetrate me on this plane

and I will stay completely present and focused on this one thing or idea and I won't multitask And I won't let my attention wander. And I will be fully present with my time and attention until I accomplish what I want to accomplish. Nobody's becoming competent. Nobody's becoming driven. Nobody's becoming truly intelligent. And honestly, this is what I see in our community. We don't need to go far beyond our family and friends. And in the wider community, I don't see disciplined minds. I don't see people with like tremendous bodies of skill and they're not competent a lot of people

are inept a lot of people don't know how to learn a lot of people are staying rigidly attached to false ideas which constitute religious beliefs you know I mean I say in my work all destroyed forget about even religion needs to be just the cultural religions that's not that's not what I mean by religion I think cultural religions are all nonsense. Every single last one of them formulated by the controllers of our world for people to believe in nonsense so they won't do real-world action. Even set all the cultural religions aside that we generally call religions. You know how many other religions there are? There's an infinite variety of religions. If you want to know what the

controllers of our world, their main job, their main MO, their modus operandi, is to create new religions all the time. They want people focused on nonsensical ideas that don't lead anywhere. They want people focused on, you know, authority, which is a religion. They want people focused on government, They want people even focused on money, which is a religion. which I consider a religion. They want people focused on all kinds of nonsensical false ideas to prevent them from learning one thing. How do the laws of nature actually function? And what do you need to do with your mind? What do you need to do in your behavior to align your consciousness and your will

to those laws so that you cannot inflict self-inflicted suffering and ultimately chaos? When you're out of alignment with those laws, you're injecting chaos into your life and everyone's life around you. When you are aligned to those laws, that's when you're capable of creating things that are based on order and are based on freedom and will ultimately lead to long-term prosperity. And humanity is doing those things. We have what I call A paradigm shift. A paradigm shift was prophesied and supposed to happen in the early thousands leading to the end of the century. Or whatever date a lot of people say was supposed to

be the big change for humanity. Well, I got news for people. It didn't happen. It didn't even come close to happening. The requirements for freedom were not met. It's what I describe to people like, you got the roof of a house that's on fire, and it's going to burn the whole house to cinders. It's going to burn it completely down to ash. And those are requirements for putting the fire out. That's where humanity's at. We had a requirement, and it was a paradigm shift in the mind. It was laying aside garbage, religion, and false ideas. And that's bringing enough water to put the fire on that roof out before it comes down to the second floor,

then the first floor, burns the house to the foundation. And you know what humanity showed up with? Everybody all around the house, blocks and blocks away, showed up with a symbol full of water. And you look at it and you're like, what in the goddamn hell am I supposed to do with that? That's not the requirement. That's garbage. You might as well throw that on the floor because it ain't going to do a thing if you throw it on the house. We needed multiple fire trucks loaded with water. We needed an unimaginable body of people changing their minds and then teaching others to change theirs. And it didn't happen. And I'm not blackmailed about it.

I think it's possible. But possibility does not equal the will to accomplish. And our will to accomplish that great change in the mind and the human will failed abjectly, miserably. Because we are not learning the actual requirements of freedom. We're scurrying the periphery. We're all the way on the outside. We're not hitting the bullseye. We're not right on target where the mission needs to be. Lynn and I were discussing earlier, nobody can take that burden upon themselves. Nobody is the individual

savior of humanity, least of all me. I would never make that claim. ridiculous thing to ever say. That would be the most That burden is not upon one person's shoulders. Who did come to save humanity? All of us. All of us came on that mission to free our species and then act as stewards of this planet and then set examples for other places in the universe. And we just failed objectively at that mission, percentage-wise. Some of us stayed on mission. But percentage-wise, how many people in humanity went completely way off

mission and didn't really learn the requirements, didn't teach the requirements, and therefore were on the brink of a nuclear war, which is a very real possibility. people want to think good always wins. You know, Good does not always win, folks. Evil can win. Evil is winning. Evil's winning very hugely, okay? It's not even a close competition. Evil's kicking our ass up and down the street. If we want to turn this around, we have to be forces for good, okay? We've got to go so far beyond the paltry efforts that we have made as a movement and as a community

that it's sad. It's not really joking around. I say to people that I express two emotions anymore. Despair and rage. Those are the emotions that I express anymore because of how profoundly disappointed I am with humanity and in particular the efforts of the freedom movement. Not teaching the solutions, not meeting the requirements for human freedom. And the requirements for knowledge about how the actual laws of nature function and teaching those laws to other human beings. Getting out of religious modality of thought. Stop believing in authority.

It's a nonsensical religion based on violence. could you imagine if people still I mean, don't understand that we just had this whole garbage non-kings, no kings movement. I mean, imagine people saying no kings and then in the next year saying government's government. We can have government, you know, imagine that. Like government is your kingship. Like, you literally have to be mentally challenged to believe the government is in friendship. It's the exact notion. It's the exact thing. Oh, a couple hundred years ago, in the human past, we had kings, we had queens. Their word was unchallenged. They decreed something, and then they said that their older father or henchman,

anybody that disobeys, kill them, because my word is law. How is it any different today? You want to know how it's different today? Instead of a monarch that we call a king or queen, we have an oligarchical few. we euphemize it as government. And we call it, But we still kept this idea of unquestioned authority as law. My authority is law. And it can't be challenged and it must be obeyed. And it's completely relative. It's totally morally relative. Because one thing in this set of royalty or kingship or queenship or government, whatever the hell you want to call it,

on this side of an imaginary line, this behavior could be perfectly fine. On this side of an imaginary line, because different government or kings and queens say that that behavior is prohibited, we'll lock you in a cage for doing the exact same behavior. That's the definition of moral relativism. The very definition of a satanic planet. The main satanic planet is pure selfishness. Well, look around at humanity. How many people are purely locked in the ego and totally selfish and couldn't give a damn about anything beyond themselves? What percentage would you say? Would you say it's well over ninety five percent? generous if you said it was I think you'd be being people that don't think

like that or five percent of the population. I'd say it's well over ninety You know, Well, nine percent. that's that's the first tenet of the Satanic religion. which is the religion that rules Satanism, this whole planet. That's what the elitists believe, and that's what they've inculcated in people at the lower level. They've given them a smaller version of their religion so that they can control their mind. The second tenet is moral relativism. This idea, there's no right and wrong. That's just what people make up and believe in. It's just, you know, whatever we say is right, that's what's right. Whatever we say is wrong, that's what's wrong. And it could change from person to person.

It could change on the other side of the imaginary border. It could change at different times, you know, because just we are based on our whims, you know. I do social experiments asking people whether they think morality is objective or subjective. And, seventy percent of the human population thinks it's subjective and relative. That's pure Satanism. And, I don't say, I'm not speaking metaphorically, folks. There's a religion in this world called Satanism. And you're likely not to know about it. Because this is the elite's religion. And it's what they fervently believe in. And it's not the worship of an entity.

It's that the ego is God. And then we're the lawmakers. We're going to usurp the place of creation and the laws of nature. And we're going to become God. We're going to become the authors of law, the authorities. That's literally what it means. An authority is a writer of law. That's the usurpation of the creator. I don't care what you want to call it. You can call it intelligence within nature. You could call it nature itself. You can call it God if you want. I don't really give a damn what word you want to apply to it. Creation has laws. They work a certain way, and every other conception

is incorrect other than how they actually work. And they're not unknowable. We're not here to be tortured by their unknowability. The creator didn't create it. It's perfectly based in law and functioning flawlessly in all times and places to torment us with the unknowability of its function. It's knowable. That's not an egotistical statement to say that the laws of nature are knowable. And I'm talking about not just physical laws. I'm talking about behavioral laws of creation. And these are the requirements for freedom. We are bound by law in the universe. Our behavior has consequence. You do one set of behaviors,

you get one result. You do a different set of behaviors, you get a different result. We're continuously doing the same behaviors, getting the same negative results that we say we don't want, and then insisting we're going to keep doing that set of behaviors and we're going to get a completely different result. That's not only insanity, that's retardation. That's exactly what that is, is mental retardation. And when I say this to the freedom community, I'm the bad guy. I'm black-billed. No, I'm not black-billed. It's very possible to achieve freedom. A black pillar wouldn't say that. They'd say you're doomed from Jump Street and it's impossible. It's very possible.

We're not meeting the requirements. The world isn't there to accomplish that kind of work. That's what I'm so disappointed in. I thought people were better than they actually are. They're not. They've failed at the paradigm shift. They've failed at the requirements. We can still turn it around, but what I mean, when I say we're on the brink, I'm not talking about back when I was telling people in two thousand seven and eight, we're on the brink. It's different. We're really on the brink of annihilation now. And it may very well happen. Evil can win. Evil can win. You don't think evil can win delusional. Evil can win. Evil is winning.

And it can totally annihilate us. And that's a very distinct possibility. And I think that's sad because I think humanity has a lot of potential. And I'm not blackmailed. I tell people you can't be black-pilled. You've got to be gold-pilled. You've got to understand what the real potential realities are. You've got to understand the laws of nature. You've got to align your behavior to them. You've got to align your behavior to behavioral law, moral law, natural law. And it's not good enough just that you do it, then you have to teach And most people say, oh, other people to do it. that's not my responsibility. Bullcrap. It's everybody's responsibility. The problem is so few people

have taken up that banner and run with it that it's the burden and the weight has fallen on too few people's shoulders. And that's why you can say, I'm not blackmailed, but I am jaded. I'm jaded. I'm embittered. I'm unimaginably disappointed. Once again, because I thought in my heart of hearts that we had much better potential than we showed that we do. And if people are really going to get out of this conundrum, they got to start getting on other people's band and their nonsense or religious beliefs. And again, I'm talking about the belief in authority as the main religion. That's the main religion of this world. Forget the cultural religions.

They worked in the past, and now the cultural engineers and the sorcerer, the mental sorcerers of our world said, we're going to invent new religions, and we're going to take the idea of kingship, and we're going to extrude it into the future as government and as authority vested in an oligarchical people. It's the exact same thing as kingship. And did you think kingship was ever moral? Was kingship based in voluntary moral behavior or was it based in that abject violence? One guy saying, this is my will and it's gone. If you don't follow it, my henchmen are going to cut your head off. Pure, unconditional violence. How could that ever be moral?

Government is no different than that concept, except the authority, instead of being vested in one individual, is divested into an oligarchical few individuals. And people don't want to acknowledge that basic truth, that that's totally immoral and purely based in violent behavior. And to believe in that makes you trash. And this is how it has to be said. You're not only believing in violence, If government decrees you can't put something in your body, is that not a claim of ownership upon the body that it's prohibiting that thing to be able to be put into or imbibed into? Well, if somebody can make a claim that you

can't put a substance in your body or you need their permission to do something that's right, They're making a claim of ownership upon the flesh, upon the body. Well, you know what? The claim of ownership upon someone else's body, which government does all the time through things like prohibition and taxation and licensure. Taxation is a claim of ownership of the body because it's a claim of the product of the fruit of our labor and we perform labor with the body. So the fruit of our labor is an extension of our body. Therefore, somebody claiming that any percentage of that, no matter how small, belongs to them to take at their whim and discretion is a claim upon the body.

Well, you know what? Claim upon the physical body of another, that's the definition for a particular word. And as uncomfortable as that makes people, the actual matter-of-fact reality of it is, The claim of government, the claim of authority over others, the claim of all the claims that government claims that it is allowed to do is a claim upon the body of others. It's saying that you're their property. Well, that's a definition of the word slavery. Slavery. Slavery. So anybody that believes in that conceptual, constructional idea of authority,

of government, of the claim that it is somehow moral or right to make a claim over someone else's body. And this is how the freedom movement has to start talking about it and keep talking about it and brutally talk about it to people, is slavery. And if you're a supporter and a condoner of slavery, you're a piece of human vermin. And hardly anybody will say it just like that to other people. That's all it is. You're trash. You're immoral trash. That's how strong we got to get up on other people's faces about this religion. This is violent religion.

That's what the belief in government is. Let me say that again. It's violent religion. There's a definition. There's a word. Violent religion means. You know what that word is? Cult. Cult. Government is not only a religion, it's a cult. And it's a cult of death and slavery. And this is the paradigm shift, folks. This is the paradigm shift that was prophesied back in the late nineteen eighties and nineties. And nobody was very nebulous. It was all just bantered around the new age communities, you know, spiritual community.

What's the paradigm shift? Oh, everybody's going to become enlightened and spiritual. Nonsense. That's a nebulous definition. The real paradigm shift was the abandonment of the religion of authority and violence. That was the paradigm shift that didn't happen. humanity abjectly and miserably failed at that paradigm shift. And guess what? Opportunities like that to make a mental paradigm shift and abandon a religion that's holding back the consciousness of an entire species, planet-wide, comes along once every so many thousand years. So many thousand years.

And once that opportunity is abandoned because people didn't seize it and take hold of it and run with it and achieve it, destruction occurs. Every single tradition throughout human history, every tradition of knowledge throughout human history has taught us about cycles of destruction and rebirth. And we're right on the brink where we can come out of that and go tangentially to that circle that's that hamster wheel, or we're going to go right back around and repeat this cycle all over again. Unnecessarily. Because all of the knowledge was present, and people chose to willfully ignore it.

Willfully ignore it. And when people do that, this is one of my sayings that I want to be remembered for. And I'll close on this. Willful ignorance in the presence of knowledge is the measure of a bad person. I'll say that again. Willful ignorance in the presence of knowledge is the measure of a bad person. And I am not the judge of humanity. But boy, if I were, I would not go light. I would bring down the hammer of the gods. I would bring the Ragnarok. And we richly deserve it.

That doesn't mean I'm blackmailed. That means I understand nature's laws and what it is willing to long-term tolerate. And it generally gives us that opportunity so many thousands of years. And then it says enough is enough. These babies got to go into the big grinder. And then maybe something will emerge kind of aligned with the laws of reality. Will that be humanity? I don't know. I don't claim to know that. I don't claim to be a prophet or a judge. OK, but from what I see, we're definitely on the wrong track. And if we're going to get on the right track, what we need is a rebirth

of a study of the hidden laws of reality. We need a renaissance of an understanding of nature's hidden laws that are not easy to see with our eyes, but can be seen with our mind. If we put the mind to proper use, if we discipline it, if we train it, if we learn the requirements of nature, and then we make our behavior aligned with those laws, then humanity has a chance. And I'll wrap up on that if you want me to talk about what I just talked about. Well, I have some thoughts on this. I think the new authority that I mean, we're facing is a braver threat than the previous, which is technocracy. Absolutely.

And we are moving full speed ahead. Yes. From both the right and the left, even the movement itself. I actually look at kind of there are two poles of this. There's Yuval Noah Huari on the left, and there's Curtis Yarvin on the right. And they're both pushing technocracy. They're both pushing authority. And that is a big deal, even in this liberty movement. Do you know what I call ruling class? I call them the technotronic occultocracy. And that's a good mouthful. But they are, I'm sorry, not technotronic, technocratic. They're a technocratic ruling class, meaning their rule is going to be based on technology and artificial intelligence.

They are technocrats, rulers by technology. And they are an occult democracy. It's a hidden priest class. It's not the people you see on the nightly news. It's not even bankers and politicians. It is an occult or hidden ruling class. These are the real priest class behind all of the authoritarianism of our world. They are people whose worldview is we're going to become God-driven The law is going to be written by us. Our will will be the law. That's it. And that is Satanism. That's what Satanism is. So I call them Satanists. They are a satanic ruling

class that constitutes a technocratic occultocracy, a hidden ruling class. And this is what the freedom movement is also awful about. It's awful about studying the occult. We're trained by religion to think that the occult is evil or bad. It's just hidden knowledge about how the laws of the universe actually work that are hidden from people so that they could remain in ignorance and be completely controlled and enslaved. If one group of people, there's a tiny few, knows arithmetic, And they keep the knowledge of how to add, subtract, multiply, and divide from the rest of humanity. What kind of a number do you think they could do on the rest of the people?

They can steal from them at their whim, at their discretion. Because these people won't even know any better. They're just ignorant fools that don't even have the basics of arithmetic that the ruling class does. Well, let me tell you something. The real ruling class has hidden far more than arithmetic. They've hidden how all of the behavioral laws of the universe function. They've hidden how the real laws of the universe function. They've hidden technology. There's total technology that they have at their disposal that they've completely hidden from the rest of humanity. And if people don't think that's true, you're naive fools. And the freedom movement is just woefully wrong.

lacking in their understanding of the occult world. It's tragic. I don't even know how much stronger I can make the language. It's abysmal. Abysmal. And they're never going to understand their own farmers. It's like a pig trying to understand the mind of its farmer that's getting ready to send it to the slaughterhouse. This is the leap, the jump in knowledge that we need to make to understand the real followers of this world. They don't even operate on our thinking level. We can barely conceptualize the way that they think, let alone how powerful their will is to accomplish their dark work.

They're committed to that unto their deaths. Committed to it in their fullness of their resources and their life. And you know what the freedom movement is? Do you know what people even say they want freedom? They're just wishy-washy in their mission and what they say they want. They're not committed enough. They're not driven enough. Many of them are inept. We need to use technology to get the message out about the moral laws of the universe. This is one of the things people are woefully lacking in. How do you think it's going to happen with a megaphone on the street corner? I'm going to say something to my Aunt Patty. I mean, be realistic. Just logically try to think it through.

If a better way of existence is going to come about, it's going to have to be communicated through the voice and amplified through technology out to the world. If you don't know how to do that, you don't know how to load a weapon to shoot the enemy. This is the modern weaponry to shoot at the enemy. And it's like going into a war ditch, you know, and not knowing how to load and unload a rifle. Not knowing how to point and aim and shoot the rifle. So you're not helping your team. You're not helping your side. You're not advancing the war effort. We're at informational war. This is informational warfare. And they are kicking our ass all around the town like Bruce Lee beating up a two-year-old.

Because that's literally the divide. That's how bad the knowledge gap is. I didn't learn this from book knowledge. I don't know whether we got it in my background on the last show or if we didn't. It's worth doing again. I worked with these people. I worked with these controllers. I worked with this priest class. You could say I was at the really low level of that priest class. I was at the level where they start teaching you the rope, grooming you up the hierarchy. And when I saw how evil it was, I'm like, no, I'm out. No way. I didn't sign up for the enslavement of my fellow men and women. I signed up to understand higher levels of knowledge, how things really work,

maybe give me a leg up in my life over others and similar fields of interest or whatever, jobs. I didn't sign up to enslave the whole human species. So when I saw that's the end goal, that's where they're taking us. I said, I'm out. And they said, there's the door. We don't need you, boy. They said, you need up. And, you know, I said, I'm going to do my best to expose exactly how all of this works. And they said, go and do your best. You'll be banging your head against a concrete wall for the rest of your life to the day you die. And they were right. They told me the truth. That's exactly what I've been doing.

So am I frustrated? You're damn right. Am I jaded? Absolutely. Do I believe it's possible? No. You know, the possibility is a different definition. But as far as my disappointment, it's real and it's profound. And I wish people would turn the tide. But at this point, I don't really have a lot of faith in people. I have faith in the laws of nature. As a matter of fact, let me retract that. I don't need faith in the laws of nature. I have knowledge of the laws of nature. And that trumps faith every single time. And this is what, unfortunately, the freedom movement does not have. And they still have their religions, just like the statists have their religion.

And we've got to do better, and we've got to wake up all the ways spiritually. And that's a word you can banter around in this community, and if some people get it, and in most people's minds, it's very nebulous and non-existent. And that's the problem. We have to... open up our minds to true spirituality. There's a lot of fake and false spirituality. All the religions, all the New Age movement phenomena, or whatever you want to call it, they're false teachings. Natural law is the answer. Understanding the moral laws of creation are the answer. We align our behavior that there's no stopping humanity. We become a type one species in under a century.

Conservatively, under a century. You know, we're not even close to that at this point. we're probably being And like I say, controlled by a civilization that might be a one point five on the card or beyond. And ultimately, the answer is the same. The solution is always the same. You got to say no to evil. You got to stop participating in evil and violence. You got to stop even condoning it mentally. You can't condone it, let alone participate in it. And most people... They have a different God than the God that created all the behavioral laws of the universe and all the physical laws for that matter. Their God is mammon.

It's the God of money. They don't acknowledge or capitulate or align their behavior to the laws of the real creator God who created the laws of nature. They're a capitulating God of money. Because how many people will say no to people if it means their gravy train gets cut off? See, how many people even in the mainstream alternative media will tell their audience they're abjectly failing and requirements for freedom? they're not meeting the Most people won't even tell their audience that because They're interested in the clicks. They're interested in the followers. They're interested in the money that comes along with that. Where I'm different is I'm not a servant to humanity.

I'm a servant to the truth and the God of creation. And I'll burn my whole operation to the ground and I'll let every single solitary person who has ever followed my work go by the wayside. I'll let any resources that come in not come in because people say, I don't want to listen to this guy anymore because he's too harsh on me and others like me. And I'll live in a gutter and I'll still tell the truth. That's my only commitment, and that is my only allegiance. And that's the difference between me and other people on the mainstream alternative media. That's why I'm never on any of the mainstream alternative media. A person with integrity like yourself, Aaron,

will have a discussion like this with me, or let me put my views out on your platform, because you're a person of principle. Most people in the alternative media, they're not interested in principles. They bow down to the same author, but just about everybody else bows down to you. And they won't be harsh on their own audience members and followers and tell them that they're wrong just because they want that gravy to continue to flow. That will never be me. Sure, you can ask a question. Yeah, go ahead. If you wouldn't mind, Linus, is this mic working? My favorite podcast, Timeline Earth, they've been working their

way through Bill Cooper's Hour of the Time AM radio series. I wanted to just hear what your thoughts were on that. I love Bill Cooper. His forty podcast series, The Constituted Mystery Babylon, is absolute required listening. And most people have never heard about it. I'll mention books that people absolutely have to read. the end of all or the most dangerous superstition, things like that. Um, Mystery Babylon is one of the best exposés of the occult world that you can take in. Absolutely. That doesn't mean I agree with everything William Cooper said or everything, but I think he had a very

profound series in Mystery Babylon and everybody in should definitely give it a the freedom community listen and then explore what he talked about in it. Because it's not just about listening to the podcast and then, oh, you're done. It's like, I would be like, go listen to What on Earth is Happening podcast And then you're done. And you know, no, you got to, that is a concrescence in a few years of source material that would take people twenty to thirty years to devalue. And that's if they're a rabid reader, you know. So it's like, you know, this is just to get people's appetite with this knowledge. I mean, you've got to research all of the

source material that's talked about in it, you know, and that's a lifetime endeavor. You know, you could do it in a couple of decades or even in a decade if you're really driven. You know, I let people get the Cliff Notes version with my work with What on Earth is Happening in maybe a year. If they're dedicated to doing it, they can do it in a year, you know, to just receive that knowledge. But that's, again, to, you know, maybe... leverage on Bill Cooper's work and talk about the occult and the Western mystery traditions. This is what I tell people. The problem is the perception of the human mind as a whole in our culture, in our species.

We need to prepare the mind for truth. And Western mystery traditions are the best preparation for the mind. They are the best way to discipline and advance psychology and mentation and intellectual activism because they're telling us The proper modalities of reception. The word Kabbalah, which the Western histories are based upon, and that is not just a, that is not some bad or evil dark art for people that don't understand the occult world. Every occult teaching, set of occult teachings has a negative side and a positive side.

And it's all about the same knowledge and how it's used by people. So if people use it for the uplift of human consciousness, well, then that's white occultism. If they use it for control, manipulation, and enslavement, dumb people down and ultimately enslave them and call them, well, that's dark occultism. It's the same knowledge. The Western traditions are built upon Kabbalah. And then they advance. People think that's the be-all and end-all of the occult. No, that's the very foundation. You build on top of that. You end up with things like Freemasonry and Rosicrucianism and the tarot tradition and the layman and other occult traditions. Theosophy.

I'm not just a proponent of one of them. And again, I'm an integralist. I'm a person who studies things from an integral perspective. That means you have to take in knowledge from an eclectic array of traditions and knowledge pieces, and then you have to distill them down to the most important elements, and you filtrate out some of the things that could be filtrated out, and then you're left with a distillation. That's what an integralist does. And that's what I consider myself. I consider myself an aggregator of knowledge and a proponent of the integral tradition of spirituality,

which does not put anyone on a pedestal but studies them all equally. And in the Western tradition, the word Kabbalah, which comes from ancient Hebrew, means to receive. And there's a more connotative definition of it. It means literally, connotatively, to properly receive. People think Kabbalah is a noun. It sounds like noun in English when we say the word. It's a verb. The word Kabbalah is a verb that means to properly receive something. And this is what humanity has not integrated. They have not integrated into their makeup the proper reception modality.

Just imagine if we're broadcasting here the most powerful radio station ever broadcast, multiple millions of watts of power, let's say, okay? it doesn't matter how strong that signal that you're sending out is, if not one radio station is tuned to that frequency that you're transmitting upon. And that's what the Western traditions of consciousness allow us to do. They're properly studied and integrated. They allow us to tune the frequency of our consciousness to that truth frequency and properly receive it. So to go back to your question, I think, William Cooper was an awesome guy, great podcaster. Well, I would say the original alternative

media personality. And he had a very broad and strong knowledge base. And his teachings that delved into the occult and its operations in our world were top-notch. So I would highly recommend it, but I would not stop at his amalgamation or breakdown because you go so much further into the studies of the positive application of occult knowledge and occult traditions. That's what enriched me the most. When I left the dark occult world, for people who know my background story, you think I stopped learning about the occult? Like, that's when I started learning about the occult.

That's what scared the living crap out of me and got me driven into learning about what the occult really is, what I had just witnessed. And there's such a rich and powerful, positive tradition of the Western traditions of occultism that that's what I think we need. I've said this on many, many shows that I've been invited to participate on like this one. We need A modern occult revival. We need a modern day occult revival into the understanding of what the knowledge of the occult really is and then studying the traditions from an integral perspective. If humanity begins that process,

there's no stopping it. It's a bomb going off in slow motion that has already been detonated. The problem that I see is we're not doing that. We're saying we know enough, and we have the requirements. We're somehow going to meet them. The freedom movement not only isn't meeting the requirements, it doesn't know them. It does not know what the requirements for freedom are. How could it meet them? You know, it can't even give the simple explanation. I challenge anybody in this room, go and talk to as many people as you want to talk to and say, what is the single governing dynamic of human freedom?

That's the question. And it is true. There is one single lone governing dynamic of freedom. Here's the master key that unlocks all the keys to all the locks on all the doors on all the cages forever and ever and ever into infinity. This is the key. This is Solomon's treasure. This is what's in the Ark of the Covenant. This is the Holy Grail. This is the secret of secrets. The one law that everybody needs to learn that is the ultimate law of all creation. What is the governing dynamic of human freedom? There's one thing that

governs whether an entire species is free or enslaved, and there will never be any other dynamic. And I challenge anybody to go out and ask anybody to give the right answer in one word, because there is a correct one-word answer. To all the people watching, It's not a trick question. It's not a, you know, proverbial question. And it's, you know, not a, what do you call it when the question is not a hyperbolic, rhetorical. It's not a rhetorical question, folks. It's a real question with a real correct answer. And it's one word. It's one dynamic. What governs freedom? Try to do the experiment. I guarantee you, ninety-nine percent of people will give the incorrect answer,

and the one percent that does give the correct answer will have learned it from me. And I'm not saying that statement to be indisputable. I'm saying it because it's the truth. The governing dynamic of human freedom, ladies and gentlemen, is morality. And I don't mean total nonsense, garbage, fake religious morality. You know what you can do with religious laws? Put them in a toilet and flush it and close the lid to the book because that shit is going to stink. Okay? Not my little effort to be comical. Okay? That's what you can do with religious morality. I'm not talking about their fake morality,

which gets people to hate morality and think it's associated with their nonsense. Because that's the problem. That's why you have so many non-sexual people. Because religion is a clown show. Clown gratulations. That's my new statement. Clown gratulations, everybody. Where's the clown horn? I need the harpo horn. You know, clown gratulations, folks. You know, because if people believe morality, true objective morality, is in any way associated with any garbage, nonsense, religious tradition, I feel bad for them. I really feel bad that their Like,

intellectual acumen is so low and compromised. You know? that's what makes me so sad is that Really, this is how many people don't understand anything about anything. They really believe they have the answer in hand when they have no part of the answer in hand. I'm talking about true objective morality. Saying no to evil. Don't do seven things that constitute one thing. Murder, assault, rape, theft, trespass, coercion, and deception. That all constitute one thing that's the only offense. It's the only offense against all of creation. Theft. Every form of wrongdoing is

a form of theft. There's one law of creation. Don't steal. Don't take that which does not belong to you to take. And that's what this whole planet is. It's a prison for thieves. It's a spiritual prison for thieves. And the way out of it is saying the word of all power to any form of evil. The word of all powers, no. In the tradition of Freemasonry, that is the lost word. And almost every single Freemason, no matter what their degree is, doesn't know that that's the lost word. they'll say it's Shabbalon or it's the Oh, Bible or whatever. No, the lost word is no, folks. That's the Freemasonic lost word. I just talked to all the Freemasons out there.

You know, your lodge isn't telling you the truth. They're not even telling you what the symbolism is or what the ultimate goal of Freemasonry is, which is teaching natural law to the public and getting it right and understanding that the lost word is no because that's the word with all power to take back all of our power from evil is we say no We're not cooperating. The end. There goes the whole system. But they make an offer. They make an offer to us. Will you do this for this paycheck, for this much money, for this much mammon, for this much toilet paper? Is it even worth the amount of toilet paper to wipe your ass with? Yeah, give me more toilet paper.

I'll go and do the evil for you as long as that toilet paper shows up in my bank account. you know and and again I don't want to get too over the top negative but it's like if you don't think that that's most people and they'd stab their own mother in the back for more money and that's the god that they're worshiping once again I feel tragically bad for people that are that naive and have that much faith in humanity because their children psychological children Ninety-nine point nine percent of humans will stoop to any level even when the Milburn experiment shows it. As long as they're offering enough money or as long as they're not responsible. Because that's all people of this planet want.

They're worshippers of comfort. They're worshippers of money. They're worshippers of Get responsibility out of my face. I want to be a part of it. That's what they worship. They worship low dynamics. And we think we're going to get the job done when we're an infinitesimally grain of sand on the beach that isn't growing because we're not learning the technology to put the word out. And while the technocratic elite class is developing all these AI systems that inculcate us deeper and deeper into Satanism, deeper and deeper into the egoic mindset, deeper and deeper into moral relativism,

It's not even a close fight. I would love it to be a close fight. I would love to see it be a tooth and nail battle between good and evil. But evil occupies ninety nine point nine percent of humanity's mind and heart. And it's just our efforts were not enough. if we really get up off of our lazy Like, asses and really get to work, learning what the real requirements and dynamics that are important here are, and stop pushing nonsense or garbage solutions, we will make progress. If not, love slavery,

because you're going to get nothing but that. Get used to it and love it. And that will be what humanity has richly deserved. Sure. Her question was, Sure. how are the forms of violence, violations of someone's natural law rights, All forms of theft, which is just a statement I made that didn't explain how each one is a form of theft. Murder is the unrightful taking of a life. That's theft of a life that doesn't belong to you to take. Not talking about self-defense. That's different.

That's a different behavior. Killing in self-defense is a different behavior than murder. That's why one is called killing in self-defense and one is called murder. They're two different words or phrases or different definitions of things. So murder is unlawful, unrightful taking of life. It wasn't yours to take. That's theft. Assault is the theft of well-being that you had no right to take. Once again, that's not bodily self-defense. That's assault. That's who started it. Who initiated the violence? So if you initiate the violence, that's an assault. That's what the government always does. They almost always initiate the violence.

They never protect anybody because they always show up after the violence has been committed and then try to go get the perpetrator of it, if it is even violence. Sometimes they're the ones outright doing the violence or preventing people from engaging in rights that are theirs, to stop someone from and that's violence, engaging in a natural right. So in any event, assault is the taking of physical well-being without right. That's theft. Rape is the theft of free will sexual association with another. That's theft. You're taking someone else's free will sexual association. Trespass is the theft of security to one's property of living. That's a form of theft.

Physical theft is the stealing of property. That one's self-explanatory. Coercing is the theft of someone's free will if they're engaging in a right. Or if they don't wish to participate in a behavior that they have every right to, not participate in, like giving over the product of their labor to a thief. That's why taxation is theft. It is immorality. It is violence. It is So coercion is theft of the free will of another to engage in their rights. And finally, deception. Deception is the theft of someone's ability to make

informed free will decisions based on accurate information. And if you know you pollute the field of information with deception, you are taking away someone's ability through deception. distorting the field of information, correct decision-making. You're distorting their ability to make informed decisions, and that is a form of theft. So that's the way that all of the seven transgressions against natural law are all forms of one thing, theft. Therefore, moral laws of creation are actually so available, they're so simple, they're almost stupid.

This is remedial Nursery school stuff, folks. It's two words. Don't steal. You know? Okay, I threw a conjunction in there. You know, do not steal. Don't steal with a conjunction. Two words. If you can't understand that, once again, you're beyond remedial retardation. And that's why I don't have much sympathy for people these days. They're not committed to intelligence, to holistic intelligence. They're real committed to cleverness. all kinds of ideas that go They're real committed to in all kinds of tangents and patterns and waves. One hundred percent elegant

simplicity that comes from the mind of the cosmos somehow just passes them by. So that's not real intelligence, which is one of the requirements for human freedom. That's one of the main requirements, is knowledge. And that has to come through holistic intelligence. And unfortunately, the bulk of the body of humanity does not have it. Well, I think we have an issue with people being programmed and indoctrinated, and that indoctrination has gotten significantly worse. I think I saw something today that they're actually changing the SAT because people can't read long-form text anymore, so they're removing long passages. The reading and writing sections,

literally. And so it is scary, but knowing this, I mean, tactically, how do we... People aren't receptive in part because they literally have been programmed to not have the facility to receive it. So here's going to be one of the harshest things I'm going to say. The answer is parenting. And this is the problem. Parenting is garbage. It has been garbage. We don't want to instill our children with a thirst for knowledge, with a reverence for knowledge. with a drive to acquire and achieve knowledge. We want to throw them on a

device so they're out of our hair and let them just develop a shorter and shorter attention span where we're, again, they can't even read books anymore. And then we want to say, we're raising our children. Not raising them, we're burying them. Burying them. And guess what? People will say, you're not qualified to say things like that because you're not a parent. Bullshit. I'm eminently qualified because I understand most of what is required for proper education. This is the bulk of what I do. Understanding what the real is versus the artificial.

Understanding the difference between the natural and the mentally constructional. And being able to teach that so it can be readily seen and understood. And nonsense and BS can be seen and spotted like that if we're actually teaching our children truth discovery methodologies. But we're not. We're not doing that as parents. We're not doing that as educators, as so-called educators. Children coming up today, look, I am a keen observer of people. I eavesdrop on people blatantly.

Just do it as a social experiment. Listen to what people say when they don't think I'm listening. Listen to what children talk about or even just teens or whatever, young people in general. Their minds are tragically, barbarically, embarrassingly undisciplined. And you know the minds of the young people who are very disciplined? People who are going to become the next control and enslaver class. I guarantee you their minds are not as undisciplined as the plebs' children's mindsets. They're disciplined. They're honed.

They're focused. They're driven. They're taught the correct educational methodologies. They're taught the trivium process, which we're not teaching our children. People don't even know what it is, let alone teaching it to their children. We're not teaching our children the thing that in the Roman Empire, the ruling class elitists forbade any free person in the empire, anybody in their political hierarchy, to ever teach a member of their slave class anything. It was a crime to teach the trivium to a slave. In Egypt, it was a crime to teach their version of the trivium to a slave. In the Greek Empire,

it was a crime to teach the trivium methodologies to the slaves. In our culture, if you want to call it that, our civilization, our society, the trivium is out there in the open to be learned and taught. use, and people don't do it of their free will and send their kids to the very institutions that are teaching them nothing but enslavement mindset, how to be a good slave, indoctrinated into what to think instead of how to think. The trivium is the real methodology that will train a mind how to think, especially a young mind and an inquisitive and inquiring mind. It's all bad parenting. That's the ultimate answer

to your initial inquiry there. Parenting is just as much garbage as the mindset of most people on this planet. And it's got to improve unimaginably drastically compared to where it is at today. So, you know, I see that happening. And once again, FIMBL, full when the whole roof of the house is on fire and we've got a symbol of water. That's how many people are properly homeschooling and mental disciplining and teaching their children true methodologies of learning instead of shoving them into a public school institution and saying, let the state educate my children. It's too few.

We're an hour late and a dollar short. And I'm telling you, there's not a lot of time to turn it around at this point because the hammer's coming down now, folks. Hammer's coming down now. So don't say the people didn't tell you. And the people aren't warning you from Jump Street. I've been doing this almost twenty years now. And the only thing that has come true is exactly what the dark occult Satanist told me. You're going to be banging your head against the wall for the rest of your life, boy. That's about what came true. Because the paradigm shift sure as hell didn't. Well, we discussed last time the fact that we are really losing ground quickly. Yeah. And people really need to do

hard shadow work. And I know last time we talked, we were working on something related to shadow work. We also talked about, I mean, are we at the point where maybe using psychedelics or ayahuasca? Well, we need a jolt because we're that far. I'm on a halfway piece of psilocybin right now. Yeah. But yeah, absolutely. It's a small one. I've been using microphones for shadow work, actually. And I have mixed results. It's difficult to tell until you really integrate the process for a while. I've gotten off to a very bad start to the year in the first three months of the year were very, very bad for me.

And I dumped a whole new set of trauma on me. It was bad enough last year I lost my dad to turbo cancer because he took all the clot shots and boosters. Didn't want to listen. Afraid of every little imaginary thing that comes down the pike. Afraid of germs. It's like intelligent guy until it comes to germs. Then all of a sudden I'm going to listen to everything the government tells me to do. My mother, who has really not been that great in her intellectual understanding of things in the past, at least listened to me and didn't take shots. You know? So, you know, that's a small win. But, uh...

You know, yeah, I think that some people's minds are so calcified that they need large doses of psychedelics. I think psychedelics can be plant medicines as long as they're used in a proper conscious context, not just really-nilly entertainment or for partying, you know. Psychedelics are tools of... decalcifying a calcified mind. They're here to bring us back to a state of sanity. If they're used incorrectly, yeah, they can invoke psychosis. They're just a double-edged sword. They're dangerous tools. They're tools that require navigation. You have to learn how to use them. You've got to treat them with respect. It's a form of consciousness.

The plant kingdom is not unconscious. It provides, through the sun, all of our nutrition, where we ultimately get it all. And, you know, the psychedelics that are in the form of plant consciousness here have lessons to teach us. Some of them are gentle ones. Some of them are harsh ones. Some of them are ones that we probably don't even want to go anywhere near right now. You know? But... I think, in particular, cannabis and psilocybin can be gentle teachers. We don't use them to just escape or blow our minds out, you know? They're used in a conscious context, sure. It can be a help for people who need that assistance

and can't really do it on their own because they become too weak mentally and psychologically. And literally what psychedelics mean is, psyche means mind, and delune, the Greek noun, you know, psychedelic, psyche delune, literally means reveal the inner workings of the mind. The literal etymological definition of psychedelic is to reveal the workings of the mind. And I think that is what they do. Again, if we approach them with respect and use them in a very conscious context, not advocating for the, you know, unconscious party use of these compounds. Never have. So, you know,

psilocybin has been a tool that I've been personally using And I probably will continue to use it as long as it helps me with progression toward resolving some traumas maybe being a little bit more tolerant of people's ignorance. Some people cannot hear it from me. I go right in on them. I'm swinging uppercuts. I'm coming out like place. I'm going to hit you with an uppercut. I'm not the general teacher. You want that? You're listening to somebody who is going to guide you by the hand like a little kid. I'm talking like I'm talking to an adult who's capable of hearing.

So that's my approach. Not everybody has to take that approach. But absolutely, I think the goal is to help people. I think more than anything, it's the knowledge of the occult that will really awaken people. You want to go to full awakening. You've got to understand what the occult hides, why it hides it. It hides it because it doesn't want a transformation into human enlightenment. Why do you think it tells you that's evil? Don't go near it. Because all the real evil priest class doesn't want you learning what they already know and what they're holding you back from learning that can truly turn you into an enlightened being that can't be controlled. They don't want no part of

that in the human population. So their religions that they invented are going to tell you, oh, make sure you don't go near this body of knowledge because that's evil and bad. That's evil. That's dark-sided. It's like we want to say... mentally challenged child mindset and not grow up into the understanding of the laws of nature that govern all of us. It's pathetic. You know, I'm not going to say, see, I think what a really good teacher does with a student body, if they're charged with the education of the student body, I'm not for rigorous presentation, like on paper, right?

I'm for looking at what the student has learned and how they're applying it in the real world and then making an accurate gauging of that progress. So it's like if the student's going like this over time, I'll do it left to right. This is time and this is progress. If the student's going like this, right? Should you pat them on the back and go, great job, guys? You're doing so well. No, you're doing a disservice to someone like that. Because at least if they're doing this, give me a fifteen degree angle and I'll put a smile on my face. I don't need asymptotic growth.

I need a linear progression over time that's a gentle curve. And then you put a shitty grin on my face. Okay? But we can't do this. You can't coast over time and not make a movement. And that's what most people want to do. They want to say, it's not my responsibility. That's someone else's charge. I'm not responsible. I'm just going to coast through life. And learning is never going to go like that. And I got news for everybody. That ain't going to get the job done. That's going to get us all killed. When I was talking to Dan about this originally, the topic we were going to talk about was order followers. I don't know if you want to...

chime in on that. The lowest form of life in the universe? Yep. The absolute most permanent trash form of life that has ever existed upon any planet, anywhere in the cosmos? Yeah. Oh, I could talk on them. I love those guys. I mean, you know, they're my pride and joy. I mean, you know, they keep us safe. Thank you for your service to the evil satanic worldwide empire. You're really doing them well. You know? Could you imagine being a person who says, I don't want to know what's right or wrong. I want to take money from these losers over here and do their will to conduct violence on other people who are ignorant as well,

but I'm just going to do it to my own kind. I mean, imagine the kind of trash you've got to be. More than that, imagine the kind of trash for parents they had to have. Imagine how abjectly, barbarically, miserably the parents of those people failed them as human beings. Why aren't we saying that to these people? Why aren't we telling the parents of order followers, you guys are trash, raised trash. You think you instilled morality in your son and daughter who does this job? For enslavers and Satanists? How can people think in

today's day and age that propping up a system of authority is moral when all it's doing is perpetuating kingship, the religion of kingship, the religion of violence, the religion of slavery? These order followers and the police and the military are the enforcers of human slavery. And that's what they always have been. That's what they always will be. Get as offended as you like. Doesn't matter how mad or angry you get over the statement. It's still going to be true forever and ever and ever and ever. It's the eternal truth. Not my opinions.

I'll go so far as to say this. The greatest crime against all of creation is to behave you to other beings that you were told to do without betting that it is moral behavior first. And that is exactly what these people are. Therefore, they're the most degraded and lowest form of consciousness that exists. That's why... Aaron, I do not go on all my shows, podcast shows that I'm invited on, and go, let's just talk about the elitist Satanists, and they're the problem, and let's point fingers, and let's go find all of their names and addresses, and then kill them or whatever. Because what, you're not going to have ten million people that want to

take their place for the paycheck that they're going to receive? We have an immoral population. Forget the rulers of the population. They came from the population. The population had to be immoral to raise rulers who are immoral. The population is blamed. Nobody wants to say this. The average human being is to blame for the condition of human slavery on this planet. And until the average intelligence and morality of the body of this species, the average body of humanity in the aggregate, is raised to a far higher level of consciousness.

Once again, expect nothing but enslavement, death, and annihilation and chaos. That's all that can be garnered and received from the kinds of thoughts and behaviors we put out into the world. The universe is just a mirror unto us for our thoughts and behavior. And guess what? The state of slavery we have, that is the best we could muster as a species. Unimaginably pathetic is that. That is the most pathetic thing that I can think of. And I mean, my everyday prayer to the cosmos is send a comet. That's my everyday prayer to hell. Totally lost this thesis.

And again, people will say that's being blackmailed. I think we are capable of turning it around with an unbelievable willpower that we would have to summon and drum up and push forward. Do I see it? No. That doesn't mean I'm blackmailed. Blackmailed means you think it's impossible. It cannot be done. You think that an ant can be taught calculus. It cannot be done. That is not what I think about human freedom. I do not think it is unachievable. I think it is a very achievable goal if the requirements for that condition are met through

our thoughts and behavior. We're nowhere near meeting those requirements. We are pathetic at meeting those requirements. And the problem is most people can't even hear what I have said throughout this whole thing. They can't hear it. They're so trapped in the state of the ego that they literally cannot hear the language and derive an understanding from the words. I genuinely believe that that's how degraded a lot of people have become. That doesn't mean that they can't improve. A stupid person can become an intelligent person. A lazy person can become a driven person.

An uncaring and apathetic person can become a caring and compassionate person. Believe me, I know. I am directly... experiential knowledge of those facts. Because I was one of those former states. And worse, I was a black-hearted Satanist. And if I can come into the knowledge that I've come into, and not only understand it, but teach it to other people, any human being is capable of doing that with enough effort. This is the problem. We're told that life is all about comfort, enjoyment, pleasure, and just seeking whatever is the highest form of comfort in the moment for ourselves. That's not the purpose of life.

There is a knowable and true purpose to human existence. It is to learn. It is to grow. It is to expand in awareness and consciousness. It is to learn the laws of nature that are prevalent all around us and manifest all around us and knowable. and are revealed all around us, and to bring our behavior into alignment with those laws, we proffer and move on to even higher states of consciousness, and that's absolutely doable. So I'm not black-pilled, folks. I'm gold-pilled, but I'm a realist. And when you see the track that somebody's been on, you can see where the destination they're going is. And you know that the destination they say they want to go is way over there.

And over years and years and years and years, they've been going this way. They're not going to that destination. They're going to that one. That's a discernible, knowable difference. And that's all I'm saying. It's very possible for us to reverse course. At this point, we're so close to the destination, which is a chasm where there's jagged rocks at the bottom, that I don't know if we can pull up and make that hundred and eighty degree reversal and go to the destination we say we want to go to. Maybe it's still possible. Maybe it's not. That still doesn't mean that I'm blackfilled. Well, how do we summon that willpower? The willpower is summoned by the discipline of the mind and the spirit.

You have to learn the methodologies for self-transformation to become self-actualized. And part of that is you got to set aside the childish notions that you once believed in. Yeah. You have to stop believing in religion that's been believed in for millennia and millennia and millennia and has gotten us nowhere. Stop fighting with each other and bringing the point of nuclear annihilation. So things like that have to be set aside. Then you got to start learning how things really work. You have to be driven to it through care. The heart is what drives us to that willpower. See, the heart drives our will and then

activates our learning, our knowledge. So the heart's in the middle of the body. And that's what the G in the middle of the compass is in square and masonry means. It means the heart, the generative principle. The generative principle of all creation is care. If you don't care, you're not motivated to do anything. If you don't care, you're not motivated to learn. You got to care so much that you're not only motivated to take action, to do something, to really learn how the laws of nature work, but you have to be driven not to continue and do requirements, even if it means you have to make sacrifices to do it. You might have to lose other

things in life to advance that aspect of yourself. You have to care. I know so many people that are like, Oh, I care about the outcome of humanity. Well, what are you doing? Oh, I'm not doing anything. I'm just watching things. I'm like, well, that's not caring enough. You know, that's you saying you care. There's a difference between saying you care and actually caring. And that comes out the same way everything else does. You'll know people by their deeds. What do they do? Are they speaking? Are they teaching? You know, there's this thing in the occult, the universe is spoken into existence. Everything was spoken into existence. It's all sound and vibration. The creator stories,

the creation stories are about the creator speaking the universe into existence, saying, let there be light, and there was. You know, how we are a small G God creator, you know, is you have to use our voice. We got to use our voice to change the story, to change the entire, you know, cultural mythos that we're bathing in, you know, we have to take the reins of those narratives and tell a better story. Tell a story that's based in truth, not lies, not deception, not wishy-washiness, not wanting things and not being willing to meet the requirements to do them. And so if more people speak

and more people teach this kind of stuff and more people inspire people to, you know, study the occult world, then there's going to be a renewed interest in it. What I call the required cult revival that we need and don't have. And then maybe we'll make that paradigm shift. But again, I would, the ultimate answer to your question is you have to care enough and care, true care for betterment has to drive your behavior. That's the only way you're going to get there. You can't be apathetic. You know, me saying that I don't think humanity may make it is not me being apathetic because I've, uh practically exhausted my will to try to meet better outcome happen problem is it was just too few people

getting on board with that kind of an effort and people getting derailed and sidetracked and didn't run solutions where the only solution is true objective morality That's nothing else will ever create freedom. It is the governing dynamic and the generator of human freedom. And in order to do that, we have to care enough to drive our will to learn how the laws of creation actually work and teach that to other people through technology that we have available to us. I guess we need to figure out how to teach people how to care. I mean, that seems to be a missing piece. That's why you have to get to children early. Because once we put care in the grave, it's very difficult to resurrect it.

That's why there's got to be Good, conscious parenting and teaching children not only what they need to do, but they need to teach the children how to learn. Even more importantly, they've got to teach children why they have to learn certain things. And that's what's going to instill care into the young and future generations. You know, children will care when parents have developed care and then bring that, nurture that into their children. So it's all about conscious parenting. If conscious parenting prevails, the world could go in a drastically different route. If we don't have conscious parenting, forget it. Well, my kids are back there,

so I hope they're listening. Well, I know you're probably doing a magnificent job with them, you know, teaching them these principles. So, you know, I mean, that's all we can hope for. You know, I can't, you know, force anybody to listen or share things or teach things. You can put the word out there and prevail upon people's reason if we explain it. logical way and people care enough right thing that's what So what are you working on next? Uh, the main project this year, uh, in all honesty right now, I've been taking time for self care to be quite honest. Like I said, last year I went through some trauma, uh,

and the beginning of the back to back traumas. And, um, um, so, you know, for a little while, I'm just kind of, uh, resting after, uh, I did a, um, technology seminar that I give half the year, um, to basically anybody who wants to learn techniques for putting this knowledge out online. I call it how to become the true idiot. It's not the mainstream media. It's not the mainstream alternative media. It goes even beyond that. This is how to be a servant of the truth and utilize the technology that we have at our disposal to put the truth out there for others.

So I do that from January through June. It's called How to Become the True Mediator. And then this year, at least in the second half of the year, November, I'm giving an all-day seminar online called Shadow Work. And this is something that I've planned for a long time because I think psychological and mental improvement is the number one thing that people have to learn to do. So I'm going to be teaching like preparatory work to do shadow work. It's not like just jump into the techniques for shadow work. You have to do preparatory work for that. So I'll be getting into, you know,

not only just, you know, the concepts about what it is, what you're doing, what types of improvement are you making, what types of things are you looking at within yourself, But I'll be getting into, again, what's the preparatory work for that. It's like, you know, you might want to, you know, have a knee pad if you're going to do some exercises that have to go down on your knees. Preparing is for what you're going to have to do to do the exercise. That's going to come first. Then I'm going to go into methodologies. You know, so how do you actually perform this work upon yourself? What do you do? What are the steps? You know, physically, what do you do? And, you know,

a lot of it's just going to be about initial meditation, learn to quiet the mind. A lot of it's going to be learn how to sit quietly. There's so much extra time and noise that we don't need. It's like people are afraid of quiet. They're afraid of not speaking. It's an awkward silence. You know, silence is where knowledge and information comes into you from, because you're making space for it. Most people don't know how to make space in the mind. That's an undisciplined mind. You know, I liken it to the traditional cremation. I talk about this in some of my work. You know, the lodge system, regardless of what anybody

thinks about it, I'm just telling you how it works, before they begin the business of the lodge on any given day, the lodge is what's called tiling. So there's a tie line. Okay, that's the person who makes sure there's no intruder into the lodge while the business of the lodge is being conducted. And this is an allegorical mental metaphor because the whole thing about Freemasonry is the improvement of the mind and psychology and morality, the behavior of the individual. So the lodge represents the mind. And the tiler of the lodge stands outside the door and says, no intruders may enter once the task is being conducted. That's the discipline of the mind. That's us saying to ourselves,

I'm going to be fully focused and committed on the task at hand. And I'm going to tiler the lodge here. and no intruders are allowed. That's pure focus on the task at hand, and that's what the allegory means. It's not a literal thing. It's all symbolism and metaphor and allegory and parable. This is why people take everything literally. They take religious traditions literally. They take Occult tradition is literally, you know, they don't see the symbolic language that is being communicated to them. And this is bypassed the conscious mind. We become so rooted in that

distracted conscious mind. We don't need symbolism going to the subconscious. We need to explain those symbols. We need to explain the methodology right out in the open. That's why I don't consider myself, I consider myself both an occultist and a deocultist. An occultist in the sense I've studied all of these traditions and how they relate metaphorically to what humanity needs to do. But I'm a deocultist because I'm not keeping them secret. I'm revealing them to everybody, which is what the occultists think not to do. Oh, too dangerous. We're on the brink of nuclear annihilation. I think we've actually undergone the danger of not bringing this knowledge out into the open.

It needs to be brought out into the open and shared widely and truly with everybody. And then maybe we'll Have a shot at getting out of the mess that we've created for ourselves. But unless that knowledge is shared widely and freely, forget it. There's no chance. It's like bend over and kiss your ass goodbye if we don't get that knowledge out into people's hands, into their minds, into their hearts. And, you know, they get to work on integrating it and teaching it. Great. Well, where can people find out about the shadow work? So if you want any more information on ShadowWorks coming in November, November, November, it's going to be an all day. I'm hosting an all day

program and you can get more information about All they sent from my website, which is what on earth is happening.com. What on earth.com. All my work for free at that website. I, you know, do have physical copies that, you know, I make available in my gift area. along with other, you know, merchandise. But all of the information that I have ever put online is available for free on my website, whatonearth.com. I also have howtobecomethetruemedia.com if you want to learn how to actually do the technological techniques that are required for disseminating knowledge online.

You can check that website out and enroll from October through January. I opened enrollment for that seminar. And then the seminar is conducted January through June. So I just wrapped up this year's. And then one other website I run is called the One Great Work Network, onegreatworknetwork.com. And that's a collection of conscious content creators. I'm like the curator on that site, and I invite people onto the site to share their knowledge base. And we have, I think, like, you know, somewhere over seventy-five content creators. We'll be adding more. And, you know, that's where you can find all my works. One great work,

how to become the true media.com and what on earth is happening.com is the central website where you can find all these. Great. Thank you. Well, I see the lights are starting to flicker and I have a huge storm coming. So we might want to wrap up. Do you have any final thoughts before we, before we end? Final thoughts is thank you for what you were doing. You know, when we met in New Jersey, I thought it was a great seminar that you gave. You said things about Bitcoin that I've been thinking for over seven years or more and, you know, have basically said on my show. When you interviewed me on your podcast, I thought we had great material and you had great questions.

So thank you, Eric, for what you're doing. That's all I can hope for or expect from somebody else is just put their knowledge out there, share what you've learned, try to uplift human consciousness. And if people are doing that, like I said, I have no issue with problems. When people just say, oh, it's not my responsibility. I don't want to help improve anything. I just want to live my life in selfishness. That's where we can't go and we can't stay there. We have to acquire something beyond ourselves. And that involves putting aside the ego and learning about the requirements for freedom and then meeting them. And we do that by educating ourselves and then educating others.

So I'd say that's where I leave it. And if anybody else wants to look into my work further, not on earthhappening.com would be the place to do it. Okay, great. Thank you for coming on. Thank you, Aaron.