The Aaron Day Show S2E13: Breaking my 40 Day fast to Free Roger Ver

From Silicon Valley to the Spanish shore Fighting for freedom but they want something more Ten months in prison just for speaking his mind Now they're coming back trying to leave him behind One oh nine years for following the law The most corrupt case that you ever saw They can't silence the truth They

can't change what's right Bitcoin Jesus showed us all How to stand up and fight Free, free, free Roger Ver free free roger now hired the best lawyers did everything right still they raided offices in the dead of night used his own compliance as evidence of guilt now his freedom hangs on the Speaking truth to power comes with a price,

but we won't let them sacrifice. us they come for all either stand together now or watch

freedom fall they can't silence the truth Bitcoin. Right. Jesus showed us all how to stand up and fight. Free Roger. Free Roger.

They've been feeding us these lies Since the day that we were born That we need them to protect us That we can't survive alone But baby, that's a fallacy A chain around Been blinded by their promises While freedom's been denied, oh Critical thinking broke these chains Opened up my eyes to see the game No

need for rulers telling me my worth I'm taking back the power that is mine My life's just belief The truth has set me free at

last Government ain't nothing but a cycle Heading toward tyranny They militarize the police force While preaching about democracy But fuck that noise I see the truth now Voluntary system show another way is here

I'm taking back the power that is mine by birth, yeah This fallacious belief in their control Has been weighing down my goddamn soul But I'm free at last, free at last Breaking out of their system fast No, no

They wanna give him one of nine First investor in the game, now they want to kill his flame. Hired lawyers did it right, still they want to pick a fight. Core devs changed the protocol. Government wants total control. Attorney, client, privileged, dead. Using compliance plans instead. First investor in the game, now they want to kill his flame. Hired lawyers did it right, still they want to pick a fight.

Core devs changed the small blocks kept us paralyzed now they're coming for the king using laws like puppet strings spanish prison mcafee died making sure veer stays inside they can raid the

lawyers what they can seize the files yeah but they can't stop crypto running wild running wild brownstone dropping

Free Roger Ver. I grew up in the U.S. and I see all these people like, yeah, nuke everybody in the Middle East and kill them all. And then they have the former secretary of state, Madeleine Albright, on Sixty Minutes, one of the most popular news shows in the U.S. And they asked her, they said, like, there's reports that more than half a million Iraqi children have died as a direct result of U.S. sanctions. And she looks back at her with a straight face and she goes, it was a really tough decision, but I think that it was worth it. You know, is the price worth it? I think this is a very hard choice, but the price,

we think the price is worth it. Worth murdering half a million kids because of what the government did? And I apologize for crying, but it just disgusts me from my core when I see government people murdering people around the world. It's not just theoretical. These are real people with real lives. and bitcoin has the power to undermine everything around the world and I'm they're doing to people sorry for shouting but it just disgusts me what these people in government do and they do it through central banking and through the control of the money supply and bitcoin takes that away from them I gotta stand up because I'm just so excited about bitcoin I can't talk about it while sitting down

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learning about it here today, tell your friends, tell your family, help them set up Bitcoin wallets. Help tell everybody that you know about Bitcoin. Anytime you need to buy something, ask the merchant if they'll allow you to pay in Bitcoin. And anytime you receive US dollars, convert them to Bitcoins, then use them as Bitcoins. We need to spread this, and the world is going to be a much, much, much better place because of it. And it's not a question of if this is going to happen. It's just a question of how soon it's going to happen. And with your help, we can make it happen sooner rather than later. All right, here we are. Hey, way to go, Aaron. I'm going to do this a little. Hi, buddy.

How are you feeling? A little emotional. Of course. It's been a little more intense than I thought. Of course. To be honest, I've got my food here ready to start to eat, although I'm not that hungry, so I'm actually probably just going to be picking at it a little bit. But yeah, no, this was more intense than I had really anticipated, especially the last ten days. I'm in Amsterdam right now. Right, right. How was the flight? That must have been rough. I can't imagine. So I actually – I don't usually fly like the fully upgraded seats,

but I actually – did go up and upgrade it to have the uh the full like bed because I I didn't know if I was going to be able to make it and in fact when I landed between walk just walking with my luggage which you know I packed my luggage enough where you know all the heavy stuff I wasn't actually lifting anything but I actually puked bile waiting for the uber so just the walk from the from the from the airplane to going through customs. And so so, yeah, when I got in, which was, I guess, yesterday, I guess I don't know what day it is right now, but I guess Wednesday it got in like eleven thirty. Yeah, I wasn't sure if I was going to make it like eleven thirty here on Wednesday.

So I came back to the hotel and basically slept all day Wednesday and then most of today and then was able to muster up. Fortunately, this apartment that I'm in, I have an apartment that has a kitchen and a stove and everything. like a two minute walk. And the grocery store is So I was able to do that. And now, now here, here I am. But man, I didn't realize I did thirty seven days before. But the difference between thirty seven and forty is actually sure a lot because at this point you've it's like this battle. Are you getting enough magnesium and potassium and salt? Um, but you, everything tastes so bad that

you don't want to take any of the salt. And if you take it too fast, you're going to overwhelm your kidneys. So it's like, it's like playing this game and it's just like, yeah, no, it was, it was torture for the last, for the last ten days. So I can only imagine. Um, How's your family? Um, how I'm sure that supportive, but concerned about you flying all the way to Amsterdam. Yeah. Right now. Right. Your wife wasn't able to go. Yeah. She wasn't able to go. She obviously checked in on my kids and actually in my ex-wife checked in to see if, you know, if I was, if I was okay and I made it. So, so yeah, it was a hell of a hell of a thing. I don't have enough energy yet to,

even describe what the overall process is like it's been interesting some some of the comments that of the comments from people people are like you know like I'm doing this for weight loss this is I mean I'm separately trying to wait but you don't do a forty day fast weight loss if I was do if I was going for weight loss I would do intermittent fasting this kind of fast once you once you get past seven days and then as you get into to to twenty one it's it is very much a spiritual process because you are completely present for an extended period of time there's no escapism you can't escape from the present moment to yourself in any way and as that goes on for an extended period of time we

spend so much of our life programmed by external things and external parties and things outside of ourselves that that amount of time, a lot of people probably wouldn't get that amount of time in their lifetime where they're actually that present. And you end up just learning a lot about yourself and everything. But man. Oh. I'll explain some of that as I get more energy, but yeah, what a process. I'm speechless and I'm in awe of what you've accomplished, what you've done to get the word out against the forces against Roger Verre.

And that lawfare case, it's tremendous. It's noble. It's an amazing feat, as well as, like you said, I think you're getting in touch with the spiritual side and understanding. I think you mentioned last week a lot of meditation as well. Sleep interruptions and that kind of thing, too. Yeah, a lot of meditation. And then you just have like a million different insights. whether you remember them all or whatever, Now, depending upon when it comes up. But you really do start questioning your relationship to everything and the world around you. And it's, again, I don't have the...

So I went through this period from like day fourteen to day twenty one where I got probably six months worth of work done. Like I literally created a working point of sale system that accepts Zano that has like a dashboard and everything else. And then once day twenty one hit, then I went into a thing where I actually screwed up what I'd already built. And then I spent ten days just trying to figure out how to get back to where I was. And then after that point, by day, I was useless. I couldn't sit down for more than five minutes at a computer and do anything. And so my, my, so I went from like, you know, it almost feels like it was a fifty point IQ shift. It's like I went up and then

I went way down and then I'm like, whoa, what the hell is going on here? So for the last ten days, I have not been able to be productive. In fact, I've done very few interviews. I have other people that want to do interviews, and I did one with Sal the agorist, but it was only like twenty minutes. I did another one, and I'm just like, after doing a single interview, I'm done for the day. Sure. That was it. Sure. When I did the fast the last time, I wasn't doing anything, and it was in the winter. So I've never done a fast where I actually interacted with anybody or tried to work. And so that's a whole new avenue.

Those things that we do for day-to-day, sometimes I think we probably take it for granted. However, it's taxing enough. and then to be on this fast and then still try to accomplish those things. Um, I know from, you know, my small fast, uh, as well as, you know, being on keto, um, and feeling that brain fog lift, uh, the synapses firing, it seems like on all cylinders, it's just an amazing feeling. And, um, um, as well as fatigue that steps in from a fast. So I can't imagine because what you're experiencing is a thousand,

ten thousand X more than what I've ever or most of us have ever experienced. Well, I would not recommend a forty day fast. I can actually say that with confidence now. I would I would I would recommend building up to a twenty one day fast. I think that the, you know, Gandhi probably had it right. The extra nineteen days, you know, were were a little overkill. I know Cesar Chavez did a lot of fasting, protest fasts. I want to say Jesse Jackson did too while in jail or something, but I don't recall exactly and I don't remember how long they went.

Yeah, and when Cesar Chavez did it, Robert F. Kennedy Sr. actually showed up and it really did help to raise awareness on that issue. There's some people in Ireland that were doing this type of protest. They ended up being force-fed. One of the people actually died, but it has been an effective, but boy, is it misunderstood. Like even some of the comments that I got online, it's like, you know, I had people like, well, you should do this fast to, you know, yourself. And then I'm like, all right, well, where does this come from? And there are a lot of religious texts that say that, but it's like, there's no, people don't know about fasting. And, you know, when I am,

more restored I will explain more about what happened throughout the process and why it's beneficial but I do think it's something even you know getting to three days seven days it can it it can reset all of the poison that we're putting in our bodies we are I mean I can say this being in amsterdam and just going to this grocery store the grocery store that I went to the food was cheaper than it First of all, was in the United States. But it's like I didn't have to go scramble to find the healthy food. If I'm in the United States and I'm going to a grocery store, it's like you've got to go through the eight aisles of cereal and candy and everything else to try to find healthy food.

All of the food is healthy. And so people that have not traveled outside of the US really don't yet understand the level to which we are actually being poisoned with our food. As I'm eating now, my taste buds have completely reset. Anything that I may have been eating, and I actually wasn't eating junk anyway. I don't eat sugar. I'm mostly keto. But if you have gotten addicted to, like, if you see how they engineered Doritos and the flavors and everything like this, when you actually reset your palate, you will not want those things. Yeah, it tastes like chemicals, you said.

It tastes like absolute chemical. Actually, by the way, I mean, I still have electrolytes. This still tastes like shit. I don't know how long it's going to take for, you know, some of this to come because I need to take these electrolytes. But this tastes horrible. I mean, I have to, like, nurse this. Oh, I can't. I imagine. That's what I do the same. I think I showed it to you last time, Dr. Berg, electrolytes. I got the raspberry lemon flavor. As a matter of fact, that's what I have in here. I just can't imagine. Your choices that you took that picture and put on X, I thought were really wise.

you know things that were are pickled you know the sauerkraut I I I wonder about the kimchi just because of the spice on your gut um I'm not doing the kimchi first what I'm eating right now is just beef broth with uh carrots celery and spinach that's what I'm having first and I cook the hell out of it so it's completely soft I'm not gonna have like because you know I you know I had some guys suggest oh you should you should break the fast with juice it's like I could actually die if I broke the fast with juice if if you actually have that kind of uh glucose surge or whatever um that can kill you so right so this this is good

and then now I've broken fast before and it's like I broke a fast one time and I hit chili And I was fine. But this one, I had more cramping at the end of this one for the last week. So I know that my digestive system and with what happened at the airport and everything, I know I've got to be really careful and and so I'm just going to kick start it with this and if and if this goes well if the soup goes well then I'll go to pickles olives I've got pickles olives and kimchi is is next I may get to that today I may not get that to that today how about how how do you think your liver and kidney functions have been have you been monitoring that those are you know can be a

telltale sign to other issues or problems Well, you can feel it. That's the one thing about once you're actually this present, you can actually get, you can feel where the imbalances are. So for instance, I had to stop taking Berg electrolytes. The potassium ratio to magnesium and sodium is actually too high. So what I noticed was I was retaining massive amounts of water. All of a sudden I'm like, what the hell? I have this, I have a massive extended belly. And so I was researching this and everything else. And so I actually, cut out electrolytes for a day. And then I rebalanced using this Ultima, yeah, Ultima electrolytes, which has a more, balanced ratio of magnesium

that's not to say by the way that is is bad so exactly I believe that we actually need I mean you know who knows but I question everything even the you know outside the box stuff at this point but something like forty nine hundred milligrams of potassium a day is what we actually need. And almost nobody gets that. And everybody says, oh, bananas are great, but bananas have almost nothing. You would have to eat like, fifty bananas or something to get that amount. So it's in cruciferous vegetables and some other things. So the Berg amount is the right amount. But when you're in this deeply fasted state, and what I'm guessing is happening, and I don't know for sure, but after a while,

the autophagy runs out. So there's a period of time where You're feeling great because you've depleted glycogen and then you're actually using your recycled cells for energy. But then when that runs out, then you're in this thing that I've been for the last ten days, which is, oh, I better get this balance right. But the taste and even the texture of the electrolytes is horrible. And then salt tastes bad, too. And then you have a bad taste in your mouth. So my throat is dry. And no matter how much liquid I take, my throat is dry. In fact, my tongue turned a little bit white. So one of the things that you're finding that you have to do is now I'm brushing my teeth five, six times a day,

even though I'm not eating anything, I've got to brush my tongue. And it just tastes horrible because... The only way that the ketones are removed from your system is through urine and through your breath. So, I mean, you know, I've warned people. I even told, you know, Sal, when I was going to see him, I said, listen, stay away from me for the first day. Cause I can't, there's nothing I can do to fix this breath. But, but at the same time, you know, You almost have a salty taste in your mouth. Well, don't let that salty taste fool you. You still need salt. So I could be running a deficit of salt, but my mouth is like, God damn, this tastes like salt. It tastes like I'm literally

just in the middle of the ocean. Drinking the water. And so that's a challenge. And so you end up learning how to balance that. But then it becomes not doing much activity. So again, get up, go to the computer for five minutes. I would take walks, but the walks became... like there were days where I got fifteen eighteen thousand steps but I would go like at a third of my normal pace and I would tell people not even my kids don't go on a walk with me because like no one unders like even though I say you've got to go slow what you don't what you can do is I can see my heart rate in real time so I'm wearing a fitbit right but I would go on a walk when I go on my normal walk

because I will normally walk twenty thousand steps a day but if I go on a normal walk I never get zone minutes. I'm still kind of in a lower heart rate thing. In this instance, like I'm like walking slowly and my heart rate is one thirty five, one forty. So I had to, so that's another step, which is like, okay, I have to slow down my walking and then I have to stop walking and then I have to take a rest. So it all became a, so for me, it wasn't, I mean, I did this not medically supervised. I mean, in fact, I don't know anybody that does a forty day non-medically supervised, but again, I've done it because I've researched the hell out of this and I've done it a bunch. And then now I know it's

just when I'm checking in. And the only, like, I still never got lightheaded the entire. Really? Really? Not once. And that's the other. That was one of my questions because, you know, I've gone through that. Not once. It's almost like vertigo. every other fast I've had I've always had some degree of lightheadedness at one point actually passed out this time uh not once and that that's another sign if you get lightheaded that means your electrolyte balance is off so okay so so that was good so overall overall it went uh wow that really tastes like a carrot I don't know if that's

I'm so honored to be here with you, having your first meal like this. I mean, what an honor. Have you heard from Roger? If you can or can't say, I understand. No, I mean, he knows I'm doing it, and I know he's... you know grateful for it but you know he's not like I said I didn't coordinate with him on this or anything but you know he's aware of it and you know I got a note today about that so you know I admire the fact that the commitment I will say honestly though I'm disappointed because I really thought Roger would

be out during the fast I know I actually really expected that his case would be dropped or settled or negotiated or they were supposed to have the motion I thought there were enough things, to dismiss hearing. triggers and events that would actually have led to him being out. So it is discouraging. And then part of it now is it's like, okay, I'm trying to raise awareness. I think, I don't know if I mentioned this or not. I interviewed with the Wall Street Journal So I did an interview with the Wall Street Journal. They haven't published it. And by the way, I did it with hesitation. I actually talked to some people about it because I

generally have a no mainstream media policy. Oh, I know. I couldn't, you know, because they could, oh, they could slander this and push it in a different direction. Yeah. The only reason I did is I was talking to some people and what they said is, Because of the situation with the press pool, the mainstream media is so eager to gain some support with Trump that they can actually get access to the press pool. There was this window where it might have made sense. So it's on that basis only that I did it. But it didn't amount to anything. The New York Times did a story on Roger Stone, and they referenced my article that I wrote about Roger in that.

And then I have other people that want to do podcasts. But from an awareness perspective, my concern now is so obviously Roger is in the process of doing something because he's got dates and court hearings and everything else. And so there's probably a reason he's not speaking publicly. So I don't want to screw up whatever he's doing. On the other hand, my actual concern is that this case has to be dropped by the DOJ. And I don't know how long Pam Bondi has left. So if his whole focus has been to try to work on the current DOJ, well, then if all of a sudden she's gone, then he's at square zero. And so then if...

if nobody's been talking about his case, then whoever new comes in, if they aren't aware of the situation, he's starting over at square zero. Oh, I know. Except for the case that... Now, the May case, I believe in LA, right, has been postponed to June. If I'm not mistaken. It's now June the twenty third, which is work faster. And I was hoping Roger would be at work. Wow. Wow. Now, does he have to be present for that or just as attorneys? Do you know? I don't think he doesn't have to be. And I think we don't want

him to be because if he is there, that means that he's been extradited and he's probably in prison in L.A. I was meaning on his voluntary basis if he wins. I don't think that would be a wise choice either, though. I don't think that's. I don't know for sure, but I can't imagine that that would be a good idea. But who knows? I don't know for sure, but I hope to not see him there. And I hope that the hearing doesn't happen. And this is the other problem that I have. Obviously, I have my views that I'm trying to communicate to people about what Trump is doing

with the stablecoin bill and everything else, which is all documented. It's all horrible. It's a backdoor CBDC. There's no disputing it at all based on the language of the bill. And so, you know, it's, it's hard for me to interview with people in a, and have a particularly positive context about what's going on. But I do wonder why, I mean, dragon chains now resolved, like everybody else has resolved. Like, why isn't, why is this, why is this still going on? And, and I, you know, I'm trying to remain positive, but, but, you know, the reason I, the first talk I ever gave about this case was May the twelfth last year. So it was almost a year ago in San Jose.

You know, one of my CVDC workshops was the first time that I, that I talked about this and this is, I mean, this has been going on for a year and you know, you, you wonder, you know, who's in on it now, but I hope that's not the case and I hope that this gets resolved. And I want to figure out, I guess the best way I can use this to raise awareness is to raise awareness within the community to probably turn out people to show up to the hearing. That's probably the best and most impactful thing that we can do. I think everything else is probably behind the scenes negotiating lawyer things. Sure. Probably. Oh, I certainly hope so. And I hope that if any kind of word is getting to the

upper levels of Trump White House, they're certainly positive about this being lawfare and not a revenge case because of Bitcoin. Because I know he's surrounded by Bitcoin maxis. Yeah, he is. I don't know if Trump is getting any kind of alternative viewpoints. you know, whispered into his ear or not. I don't know how he would, unless, you know, Rogers, you know, presumably Rogers working on that, but, but that's gotta be a tough, that's still tough. Cause even if you're, we've been trying to get the truth. I've been trying to get the truth out about hijacking Bitcoin and everything else. And I've been nothing but shut down by, by, I mean, and it's systemic.

I mean, they will immediately shut you down. So there's no doubt. I mean, people will laugh. Oh, Roger wasn't censored or everything. I'm like, look, I've got the receipts. I'll show you all of these people who didn't block me before, but blocked me just because Roger retweeted a post where I said that people should read the book literally just based on that. So they have, I believe, Jamison Lopp or somebody has a GitHub account. with lists of people to block. So, so this isn't a joke. Like this is an organized censorship campaign. And so, so I don't know how, and I don't know other than me and a couple of other people, I mean, who's been talking about hijacking Bitcoin. Like I know, I know,

I know I'm world block charm rate round table, you know, maybe an audience of a thousand for lucky, you know, it gets mentioned almost every week. you know, maybe a sentence or two, Um, that's about it. But, um, because most of the, the viewers that I am aware of, of the show as, as well as the panelists are, are certainly not, you know, centered around any one blockchain. and look towards blockchain Um, as various utilities that can be applied to different problems we face. So I know that he is, that is a welcoming

audience for Roger and the, you know, like I have it right here next to me in bookshelf, you know, hijacking Bitcoin. It's just, it's because I got a feeling that if the intelligence agencies were involved, which they were, and he outlines it there on page one Oh seven, then they're also involved in big with big tech and they certainly want to suppress the story in this book. So here's my take. Is it maybe it's maybe I'm being a little too conspiratorial. However, we're talking about, you know, multiple trillion dollar valuation now.

And there are people that don't want to get burned at top levels that are pushing for Bitcoin to be a reserve, you know, be in Trump's reserves. And it's pretty disgusting as far as how they become whores, to be honest with you. Here's the thing. I think it's possible that Roger got hit twice. I think Biden wasn't concerned as much about hijacking Bitcoin because Biden didn't like Bitcoin, but Biden was trying to push a CBDC. Biden wanted to shut down Roger because Roger is effective at promoting alternatives to central bank currencies. That's why. But that goes back to the Trump era because in

Trump wasn't probably knowledgeable who Roger Ver was or what he was talking, but certainly other people were. And I remember watching, you know, YouTube videos starting to go viral. And then all of a sudden they started getting shadow banned. And this was before the fork wars. You know, so I, you know, I kind of think that, well, and then what was the president of the CME in December of twenty seventeen? He was quoted of saying, you know, before the CME went live and made Bitcoin a future said we will tame Bitcoin. And that was approved by Mnuchin and Trump. So. They were already against

Roger at that point. Roger's been fighting this since his early twenties. They were. And the assistant controller under Munchen ended up becoming the chief legal officer at Coinbase who actually drafted the product roadmap for USDC. There you go. And then Howard Lutnik. I think Howard Lutnik is probably the Antichrist, to be honest. This guy is actually... He is horrible news. So, you know, I don't know what's going on behind the scenes. And, you know, at this point, I'm not even sure... I'm not even sure what to do to help. You know, there's kind of, you know, keep... It's like, I want to keep people aware of this.

But, you know, on the other hand, the time... they still haven't done the You know, Bitcoin Strategic Reserve or passed the stablecoin bill. There's a part of me that says, you know, take, for instance, RFK Jr., right? Well, RFK Jr. 's running mate's boyfriend runs a lightning network company. So anyway, RFK ends up getting all excited about Bitcoin and he goes and speaks at the conference and everything else. But if he's a guy that's interested in facts, I've tried to get him a copy of hijacking Bitcoin from a couple of different angles, including trying to give it to him in person at an event. a while back. But, you know, in theory, based on him being interested in the truth,

he seems like the kind of person that when presented with the new information would change his mind. That's been hard for me. And, you know, I think at some point the idea was, well, maybe we should hold off on that. Maybe, you know, pushing hijacking Bitcoin isn't the right thing to do. The whole focus should be just focusing on, you know, lawfare and getting the pardon. The problem is, that that book needed to get out there people needed that information there was a window for that information to get out I remember when that when that bitcoin conference happened last year in Tennessee. And it's like all these politicians, Loomis and everybody are talking about this. And I'm like, God damn,

none of you have heard of this book. So I'm like trying to tweet. I've taken the book and I've done I've tried to make memes out of it. I've tried to do everything that I can. But, you know, whatever. Maybe I've reached fifty to one hundred thousand people. And it's and it's not the right people. And I've given this book to a lot of people. I mean, I've given hijacking. I gave it to Gia Griffin. I've given it to uh other politicians I've given a lot of other politicians my book which doesn't have hijacking bitcoin but it has but it does have a section that would that explains that bitcoin was hijacked and so um but you know I wonder about tim pool he seems to be crossing different

aisles now and um I don't know he's even gotten into the woo thing of solar CMEs and polar flips and crustal flip as of late. So, you know, he might be, I don't know. I don't know. Well, I mean, the good news is that, I mean, Tucker and Tucker Carlson and Charlie Kirk and Alex Jones were, are on Roger's side. Yeah. Oh, I didn't know Charlie Kirk is. Oh, that's great. Yes. yeah well he's on the website and and he was one of the first he did an interview with roger before even uh tucker and before uh and before alex jones so

when you go that's right that's right I remember that interview um yeah so oh good good yeah he well I wish they would talk it up more You know, the thing is, No, I wish they would, too. who knows what's going on? I can only assume that he's got good people and that he's working a strategy and that his silence is strategic. So, you know, I'm assuming that. And, you know, this New York Times article states that Roger Stone is involved. So, you know, I don't know to what extent that's. Well, I have a lot of respect for him. Yeah. Are we talking about Roger Stone, the author, not the director, correct? Or Roger Stone, because there's two.

Roger Stone, the work from the Nixon. Yeah, that's the Roger Stone. with the big Nixon tattoo on his back. Yeah, I have a lot of respect for that man. I think he's calling it right when you get into the JFK assassination and his research. And Nixon was a character assassination. JFK was a bullet assassination. So I have I actually have a lot of respect for Roger Stone. So that is good. You know, that means, you know, Luke Gorkowski and Roger Stone are practically neighbors down there in Miami, if I'm not mistaken. And and Roger Stone has been on Luke's. You know, we know Luke is on board. I was on Luke's show. Yeah, I know Luke is on board. Luke is.

Luke has always been been there. I guess my point I'm trying to make is if these individuals would start talking more about it or even just one of them, hear the other one talking the other one's going to about it and might spur it, you know, more conversation. In other words, they'll start talking about it again is where I'm trying to get at. But I don't know. Law is funny because it moves so slow and then all of a sudden it moves rapidly. It definitely seems to be gradual at this point. I'm ready for the suddenly part. I think, though, to be honest with you,

Aaron, I believe it goes beyond just the Bitcoin and the block size wars. I think it has to do with Roger Stantz on volunteerism and, and, uh, and freedom stance, uh, peace. So he's going up against you. If you, when you start thinking in those terms, you know, he's going up against the state department. He's going up against the military industrial complex. He's, you know, not just the DOJ, not just the IRS. Um, and, uh, he's going up against the money masters. Congratulations, Aaron. Uh, You know, this has been incredible that you

were able to get this far. And you had mentioned earlier about you went through that period about twenty days in where you just had that burst energy. It was very difficult keeping up with you with everything that you were doing. The I'm hoping that we can get. What are we up to now? Closing in on fifty minutes. usually you'll you'll do three You know, plus hours. So how are you feeling so far and how many questions can I throw at you? I feel I feel fine because so I got a Well, six hour time difference. So so interestingly, it's it's whatever, two eighteen in the morning here. And which this time zone thing is actually pretty bad.

I've been in bed the last two days. And I have a talk and I have a keynote speech tomorrow and a panel. And then I have another keynote speech in another panel the day after. So we'll see how that goes. I was actually supposed to But originally, speak on the fortieth day. And that, I will tell you, would have not gone well. I probably would have passed out doing that. Well, you look great and you sound great right now. So this is this is incredible. What's the hardest part of the fast physically and mentally? What was that you went through? the hardest part actually became my I mean,

stomach cramps. stomach cramps and then balancing electrolytes and figuring out how to do that on an ongoing everyday basis, knowing that everything tastes like shit. Like even though Even though I now have this soup and a bite of pickle and everything, these are my electrolytes. This stuff still tastes like shit. I used to be able to just guzzle this. I don't remember there being a long reset period, so I'm hoping this snaps back relatively quickly, but it's the fact that I'm sitting there listening to my body and I know what I have to do. but everything tastes so bad that it's like, it's a chore. And then it's not, and it also isn't one of

those things where it's like, okay, I'm just going to guzzle this because if you guzzle it and you put too much strain on your kidneys, then that'll create a problem. So you are in this, like, the good news is you're really in tune with your body. Like I was very aware of, and very present about what's going on. The bad news is it's like, OK, I'm sipping water constantly. I'm having to make sure that I'm lying down. I'm really having to check in. And I had to tell other people, like, I still drove my kids to school. I mean, look, like I still like I still did stuff like I didn't I did a couple of interviews but I mean if I did an interview then that was it for the day then I was

completely completely done but but you know something like going and getting the mail is a task where you like oh my god I can't think about it and it's believe I could ever possibly go and get the mail um but you know or just trying to having to be so strategic about your energy and how you sequence you do things knowing that you know it's not like there are a lot of things to do, but you also have to go to the bathroom a lot. So you've got to take three liters of water a day, which means you're peeing a lot. so then I'm also looking at my pee to see, And then, what does the color like all right, well, and everything else? And so it's just, it's when you have so

little mental and physical energy, just doing those things is draining. And then it becomes really hard to concentrate. So I would watch just stupid shit. Like I'd watch Matlock or something. I would watch it like a complete, cause I didn't have like, this was not a time to sit and binge watch, you know, a bunch of YouTube lectures or something like there's, there's not enough concentration. And the cramping in the, in my stomach was, was really, was really uncomfortable. The other thing that I found is at night, When I would go to sleep, so between and I'm sure this is just a circadian rhythm thing, but between like eight p.m. and one in the morning, that seems to be when I'm

producing a lot of ketones and burning a lot of stuff. And because of that, that creates a lot of like, you know, I don't know if it's acid reflux or whatever you want to call it, but I can't lay down. from eight p.m. So I know even if I'm tired, until one a.m. I have to sit up during that time period. I will not be able to go to sleep. these are all just things that I learned. But again, Some of the amazing things that happened during this, and I wasn't measuring a lot. I mean, I have my Fitbit. I have an eight-sleep bed. And I mean, I didn't even bother to use ketosis strips because there was literally no reason to do that. But managed to keep Every night, night that was actually

with the exception of one fairly early on in the process, my heart rate variability, my breathing rate, my deep sleep and REM sleep were all in normal ranges the entire fast. That has never happened. That's never happened before. And there were times like two days ago, I was thinking, all right, when I puked up bile at the airport, I'm like, I might need to stop fast. My plan here is I'm not going to kill myself for this. um and I'm gonna listen to my body I'm willing to go through the suffering if you know if I know that the suffering is is simply all right I gotta suffer through you know this electrolyte imbalance I'm gonna have this discomfort I'm willing to do that I'm

not I'm not great with the idea of you know having organ failure um or having to go to a hospital in a foreign country or something like that so so I was you know I was really highly attuned to that but but not ever feeling lightheaded and having all of those sleep metrics in range the whole time was really surprising. I was very happy about that. But it's the cramping That was the worst part of it. there's all kinds of stuff that But I mean, I've learned. that I remember that I And then there are things learned the last time I did a long-term fast that are just like, I I've, I've been saying for a long time that, you know, it's, it's, you know, love versus fear and abundance versus scarcity,

decentralization versus centralization and free will versus determinism. And I came to that realization at the last time I had a long-term fast. So because I wasn't sure where when part of the doing the long-term fast like this is it gets you into your right brain. that was my intention when I did In fact, it originally. But I think the people that were doing these mystery Pythagoras and the ancient school things like Egyptians and ancient Greeks as a right to entry, it really was, I think, in part to get you into your right brain where you're actually, you know, a better way that we would describe it now is to be connected to the quantum field. things I'm not going to be

And there are a lot of able to articulate well, because I still don't have enough energy to do it, but that make a lot more sense and that we are going to be able to understand. Science is really far behind. I did some posts where I, that probably made no sense to anybody, but I'm like, you know, random controlled trials are complete bullshit. It's all based on materialistic science. We're like measuring the shadows, right? If we are energy and we're connected to everything else, the random clinical trial, the whole idea of it is that you aren't connected to anything and we're going to measure you by taking away all of the environmental variables. Well, the environmental variables,

if we're in a holographic universe or if we're all interconnected, then all of those variables are the most important thing so the entire basis of science and how we measure things is irrelevant and it's why big pharma doesn't work because big pharma is all optimized to find success within that measurement system so all you're doing is you're treating you really are treating the symptom You're like treating, you know, we're part of this big energy thing. And all you're seeing is the reflection off the cave wall. We're literally just, modern medicine is just treating the reflection on the cave wall. That is all that it's doing by design and by the way that it's measured. So it's a double split

experiment for the waveform? function of a human being well well so there are other things that we should be measuring we should be measuring our energy and actually the energy around us and there are a lot of implications for this now you've experienced this I george you know because have this bio well that you actually use that you can stick your fingers in there and it actually measures your energetic field it will give you a uh a printout of you know basically your your aura that where there are um breaks in the energy field. And so based on and so you go back to Chinese medicine and everything else like this and all of your Again, I'm not going to be articulate right now. But basically,

your energy flows and everything. That does map to your circuitry in your body. And we are electrical beings. And so Dr. Joe Dispenza uses this. And he uses it not only to measure individuals, but to measure the room itself. So when they do different meditations, they actually measure the energy level of the room. And then they do individual... My point is we need to be doing these kinds of tests. We need to be actually getting to understand and more what we are as energetic beings as opposed to matter, where we're measuring the effects of things on matter, which matter is just a low vibration of energy. So it's a lower vibration. If you want to change something, you change it at a higher

level of vibration. So all of modern medicine is is about dealing with this low frequency and measuring it in a way where it's it's removed from the environment and so so I'm saying modern medicine is useless like it's actually useless when somebody says random clinical trials are the gold standard it's not a standard at all this is why I get so irate about rfk or what everybody else is saying we have been so locked into the wrong uh the wrong way of even think. this isn't like we've known And by the way, about this since the nineteen twenties. This isn't what the thing is. Right. This isn't woo woo science. This is stuff that's been known for a hundred years. But inertia and protecting

financial interests and everything else aside, we're literally on the wrong operating system for our understanding of who we are as human beings. And so I went through a phase on that. And that actually does fit into some of the stuff that I had already been doing before. But I really, really, because a lot of people were saying to me, why don't you do all these tests or well, you don't know if fasting works or not? Well, actually, the reality is if you can get present kind of like we are so at outsourcing everything we the point where we're have to get tests for everything brian johnson's getting all of these biomarkers and everything else and do we have food allergies and hear all

these food allergy tests if you are present and in tune with your body and you get your mind out of it not what you've been programmed to believe you think you know about nutrition if you're actually able to cut that off and listen to your body as you go into a grocery store you're your body will tell you what it needs because our kind of subconscious, if you will, is like a supercomputer in terms of horsepower. Our conscious ability is only, it's like less than three percent of our overall computing power. And that computing power can be corrupted. That computing power, that consciousness is completely determined by all of these external parties and it gets in the way.

this is our fear and our ego and I mean, all of that. If you can get that out of the way, and just tune in, you actually don't need all of this stuff. But as a society, we're moving towards now I need a six hundred panel test for this. And I'm like coming out of this like I'm never going to use any of these tests. I already don't go to doctors, but I'm also like but moving forward to the extent that we're going to try to measure these things, we need to be measuring things that are actually even up to date with with physics. Some of Dr. Jack Cruz's stuff is interesting, isn't it? I like him a lot. Yeah, his stuff is interesting. I mean, the fact that he's a Bitcoin maxi, I'll look past it.

So every time I come out of one of these fasts, you make tweaks. And the tweaks aren't just diet tweaks. I've already made diet tweaks in I mean, the past. I mean, the reason that I gained weight at all is simply... I couldn't walk twenty thousand steps a day. I had a whole bunch of stress with traveling and I'm not great. I'm great at being singularly focused, but that can mean that I just forget about other things. But it's not that I don't have the knowledge about what I should be doing and I'm largely doing those things, but I think you know more often than not now I've got my screen I've got efflux on here and you know if I were home I'd be wearing my glasses as well

I'm gonna I'm gonna play around with his stuff and I think there's stuff at the intersection of what jack cruz is doing with bruce lipton and with uh joe dispenza and tom campbell all of it together I think that's a whole area that needs to be explored We need to create it. I don't know how it will work yet, different way of probably measuring, but there's a whole trying different things that can be created in a decentralized manner, probably using tokenization system or something like that, that is a complete replacement for random clinical trials. I'm at the point right now But I mean, where I'm irate about the fact that, you know, like these surgeon generals, I mean,

what a horrible costume they wear. But I mean, why are we at this point where it's like, oh, well, our guy's in this position now. Like they're all pursuing the wrong science. They've all been indoctrinated the same wrong way. And now everybody's lining up about which indoctrinated guy is going to have the ability to set policy that determines what people can and cannot do in terms of even experimenting. or measuring and I and and so I'm going to be harsh about just and I've said it before because I think it needs to be done I think doctors need to be attacked and mocked because I mean it's not enough that they should not have any power at all And when you get into situations, and honestly,

this is with a lot of libertarians, well, what are the random clinical trials? It's like, fuck you. First of all, not only is this not measuring the right thing, but even if it were measuring the right thing, none of this information is reproducible. And it's all funded by people that have vested interests in the outcome. So even if your methodology is right, which it isn't, your data is fake. And so I don't want to have any more of those conversations. So moving forward, I just want to start moving out of a lot of things, a lot of debates. The other, I mean, there's a mile long list. I'll just say the ones that I can remember and partially articulate.

But another big one is this whole idea of trying to influence public opinion. A lot of the stuff where like changing the debate and, you know, even the whole, well, you know, if I get on Joe Rogan or if I get on, these channels with Tucker Carlson, you know, then maybe we're going to get people to change the The more I think about it, it's like that's a failed strategy because what actually needs to happen is people need to realize that they're programmed so that they can start exercising their own free will and start exercising and making their own thoughts, decisions, and actions. That's what needs to happen. If you're just substituting out... what it is that somebody

believes or how they're being programmed, then you're no different than the other guy. You're just providing a different level of program. And so that, to me, is a bad thing to do. I mean, to the point where I'm like, OK, that actually seems morally wrong to me to do that. I don't want to manipulate people to do what I want. I want to help people realize they're being programmed. And then once they realize that, they can figure out whatever they wanna think and do and act on their own, but at least with the understanding that they've been programmed and also with the understanding of the fact, we've all been programmed, but that, what we end up crafting as our identity is programming

and it can be changed at any point in time. We're not stuck with it. So most people's personalities end up being defined by trauma and that doesn't need to be the case. Just because something happened to you doesn't mean that that is what your identity is. So as people strip away, the programming that pulls them back and gives them these self-limiting beliefs. And as they're becoming aware of the fact that everybody's trying to program them, then they become present. I think one person becoming present is worth a million people. that you might change or influence their mind through some kind of public discourse or by trying to change the arc of this stuff. I feel it energetically that

doing that kind of stuff is draining. I guess I can think about things more because I can at least start to express more about how I feel about them. Engaging in those things It doesn't actually make me happy either. So I'm capable of doing it, but it's like, okay, that's not where I want to put my energy. So related to this broader concept of energy and not matter and everything else, I'm going to be more conscious of if something doesn't feel right energetically, not doing it. Right. So that's a great jumping off point for just discussing energy. the physicalness of the fast.

So I've known you for a while. I've known you to do an incredible number of fasts. I remember when you got to the thirty seven day previously, I actually thought it was thirty eight. But now you've just you're you're literally right here on this podcast. eating for the first time in forty days. So somebody is going to be watching this and saying, you know, I've been debating about doing a fast. Maybe I've done some intermittent fasting. Can you just give a breakdown over the past number of years when you first started to fast and just a rough number of how many fasts you've done and the time lines on them, like, you know, three day, five day. So

I first started fasting, and I realized also that I, throughout my life, have just done things for reasons that I don't even know why at various points in my life. So for instance, I grew up in Indiana, and for some reason when I was sixteen, seventeen years old, I became a vegan. And I will tell you, no one No one influenced me to do that. I actually have no idea why I decided to become a vegan. But I did find the idea of eating animals to be problematic. I just didn't even want to touch flesh. There was that component to it. But it was weird, and it was very difficult, almost impossible, because we're talking about

early-nineties. Good luck being a vegan in Indiana. in the nineteen nineties. And then I read somewhere that for a while and I think maybe he was in his teens or early twenties, Benjamin Franklin was as well. He ended up going off that wagon pretty hard and then ended up, partying with all the women and you know, doing whatever he ended up doing there. hanging out in France and But so so anyway I've always experimented with things like that and and I would fast also um like on sundays just for sir and and again there's literally I wasn't religious at all so there was no there was no tie to it so that there would come a period of time where I would just fast periodically on on sundays

and this started when I was like or so not all of the time but but when I would get into a mode and I often go into modes. And I don't know if I need to fix this or not. So part of this is, I do believe there's a certain aspect of this where there's some people that say, well, you should just be moderate and be doing the same thing all the time. And I feel like that's not really how we're built. I think that doing sprints and then recovery has been shown to be more helpful for a whole variety of reasons and now a lot of people are doing things like saunas and cold plunges and everything else and it's kind of a similar concept where putting your body under stress and then

letting it recover actually allows you to build up resilience and kind of um or become more bulletproof or whatever whatever analogy the problem is that I'll pick stuff to do where it's not a sprint like so all right I want to try to warn everybody about cvdc's and then raise awareness about this roger thing that turned out to be a two and a half year thing and it's not done and so what so at what point so I've done stress for two and a half years where's the recovery so I've I've got to get better with the syncing that up so to get around to this I started fasting probably when I was and would go through these periods of recovery where when I was working on something,

a startup or doing whatever, and then there was a recovery phase, that's when I would typically experiment with things like that. I really got into it in twenty twenty one, I think. Well, I guess before that, I guess actually, twenty nineteen when I was down in your place in Florida, when I left New Hampshire and I was staying with George for like six months and lost a bunch of weight, went through a divorce, a whole long midlife crisis kind of thing, got remarried. But but during that period of time, while I was down in Florida, I was doing biohacking and a whole variety of stuff, just experimenting with everything and like doing all kinds of research that

was outside of my normal comfort zone. And that's when I found healthy keto. I've experimented with but really Dr. Eric Berg's different kinds of keto, healthy keto. And so, uh, so he really promotes this idea of being in ketosis. So never eating more than like, like grams of carbs a day. And there are a lot of parameters to it. I'm not gonna go through all of them, but you basically want your body to always be in a state of ketosis where you're always burning your fat as a primary fuel source. And, and if you can give your body a rest, as you basically, uh, shorten the window for intermittent fasting. So maybe you go from a ten

hour eating window to a six hour window where it's like you're not eating for eighteen hours a day but you eat within a six hour window to then once you become so fat adapted you can skip. So I got to the point where I would do a four hour eating window every day just because once you're adapted You actually don't need that food. People would think that this is about suffering. But if you can time your food right, then it turns out you're actually full. And a lot of the reason people are overweight and have a whole bunch of different problems is they bought into this. You have to eat three meals a day. You have to have snacks. All that's bullshit. I did all of those. I included I talked about

that in some previous podcasts. But As you really get down through this, it's like, yeah, okay, I can have a four-hour eating window. And if I still have to, and if that can be your baseline, but then if you still have to lose weight, you can actually just start eating every other day and not be hungry. Like literally you can do that and can't necessarily lift weights. There are other parameters. But so I would go from a, you know, ten-hour eating window to a four-hour eating window to then eating every other day. to then maybe having a short eating window and then fasting on Sundays. And then I started really exploring more about long-term fast. So I read not only Eric Berg's work,

but Walter Longo, I believe is his name, Dr. Fung, we have Jason Fung. There's a guy, Dr. Alan Goldhammer. So I basically read everything that I could about fasting and watched every video that I could about fasting. And so now that I'm normally in the state of ketosis, for me at that point to do a three-day fast is not that big a deal. But you actually have to do it in a progression like this. If somebody who's never fasted, who eats a bunch of sugar or whatever, certainly I wouldn't recommend, I'm not sure I would recommend anybody do a forty-day fast, but I wouldn't recommend that anybody even just start off with like a three-day fast. You have to People have a lot of

metabolic disorders that have been caused by the poison and public health information that we've been given over the past decades. And so start small and then And then been doing the research, build up to it. it's like, okay, a three-day fast. We'll reboot your immune system. So now it's like, OK, well, once a quarter, it probably makes sense as the seasons change to do a three day reboot. Seven days kick in stem cells. And, you know, I can't prove this using random controlled testing Not that I would even care and all this other stuff. to or think that it matters. But but it seems to me that if somebody did a fast that nobody if you did a seven day fast once a year, there's no reason you

should develop cancer. Literally, you are going through autophagy, and you are kicking in new stem cells. As long as the cancer hasn't reached some advanced state, which cancer takes a while to develop. As long as you are, and I don't know if, when I say seven days, once a year, I don't know if that's the right period. But there is probably some period, interval of fasting, where a whole series of diseases will just never present themselves if you're fasting. And so you then push it. And then after you push it for a while, and then when I was doing the intermittent fasting and everything else, I was also doing a lot of meditation and exploring a So every time I would endeavor to do a

lot of other areas. I never did a long-term fast because I was sick and I never did a long, I always did a long-term fast because I actually wanted to push the envelope. When I did the thirty seven day fast, it really was, oh, well, these people were doing this for mystery schools. And based on everything that then maybe this is a way of I've heard about that, tapping into my right brain because I've been mostly left brain. Although I didn't realize that's not even actually true. I've been both. I haven't been. But we get pigeonholed into these things. But then it's like, oh, okay, now I get that. So the longer ones, I would only recommend if people have really serious

health problems, which, I mean, if you do that, then you probably do want to go, then you've waited too long and you probably do want to go to like Dr. Goldhammer's clinic. But I think this is a tool now for people if they start going through it and building up to it, they can not only use it to get off of food and all off of the junk. Because again, you do a seven day fast, you're not gonna want the Snickers bar. You're not going to want any of that stuff. You think you will want it. I really love these things. You're like, oh, And then if you go through and actually go through this process, you have to become unconscious to go back to it. You literally have to become unconscious.

most people do become unconscious Now, because we're bombarded with bullshit all the time. and we're being programmed but but you will not suffer like I don't suffer not eating I used to eat desserts and all this other stuff I do not suffer or want it at all even while fasting another thing that happens is there's a period of time during this where I'll watch cooking shows Really? And it's not suffering. I'm not like, oh, I really want that right now. But a lot of it is thinking about, well, what am I going to eat? Not when I break the fast, but what am I going to do to change my diet? So you start exploring different foods and different cuisines and things like that.

one thing because I you know I'm all over the place just remembering this the one thing that was interesting about this that I don't have answers for I actually was hungry on day like or thirty, thirty four and thirty seven of the fast. And that's unusual. And I actually don't know why. Normally, I'm not actually hungry, but there were two days where I'm like, this really sucks. I actually went with my kids to the grocery store, which I always do. I'll go to restaurants with people while I'm doing a long term fast, once you're really kicked into it, because, again, it's not it's not torture like you think it would. But man, those two specific days, I don't have an explanation for.

The other thing that happened, somebody had asked about this online, is I took a shit on day thirty two of the fast. And it wasn't like bile or something. It was a normal colored poop. I know that's a weird thing to talk about, but I'm like, what could that be? What is coming out of my intestines? Thirty two days into the fast. And really, the only thing the only thing I've come up with is I guess this is something in Ayurvedic medicine where what they do for a colon cleanse is they actually take take a lot of salt. And what that does is like shifts the gradient or something. And it cleans out, cleans out your intestine. And sometimes I would actually just like,

you know, crack a little bit of Himalayan pink salt and then just put it in my mouth. So maybe on those days I did that and there was something related to that. But it was very bizarre. That was an anomaly where I'm like, well, I don't know what that is. But But coming out of this fast now, my gut bacteria has been cleaned out. I mean, we all have horrible gut bacteria, more than likely, the stuff that we eat. By the way, if you drink diet soft drinks, if you drink things with NutraSweet or sucralose, that shit destroys your gut bacteria. It's horrible for your gut bacteria. So your gut bacteria is important. This is why I have kimchi. I have kimchi instead of And by the way,

sauerkraut because I couldn't find the sauerkraut. um but kimchi is great the the koreans eat about forty five pounds of kimchi a year and they don't have the kinds of problems that we have with with digestion that are you know gut bacteria related so now as I come out of this um if I can stay conscious then I'm only going to eat foods that that my body actually needs and then a big part of the next thirty days is repopulating my gut bacteria so now that everything is fixed stem cells are fixed inflammation inflammation is gone I have absolutely no symptoms of anything that I had before I don't have brain fog I just say my iq is about thirty points lower than it was

but that that'll that'll jump back up But I don't have any inflammation anywhere. I don't have any brain fog. My issues I was having with my knee are gone. The issues I was having with my Achilles are gone. So I have like no underlying health issues. I don't have lung issues. I was having issues with coughing and upper respiratory infections for a long time, for like six months coming off of COVID. That's all gone. And so now it's like, it is a complete reboot. Dan O'Neill talked about it. He's like, it is like a time machine. I mean, I feel like, and my kids noticed it too. I look about, you can't tell with this light, I look about five years younger. And it's not just the weight loss.

Your skin literally clears up. Any issues that you had with skin go away. That happens like days ten through fourteen. So now it's like a whole new opportunity to build on this. And so that's going to be a fun thing to hack through. But I will say that the mental energy has been that's been annoying. It has been frustrating. you know, not being able to even like study It's not, anything. not only am I not like coding stuff and George, you know, right. I mean, I was like, I'd actually, I had a functional point of sale system working that, you know, was, I had a two servers set up and I have a Xano node that's pinging in real time and we're doing real time

confirmations and breaking up payments. And I think I already figured out a solution for, you know, um, Remember what we were doing thirty years ago, trying to do multi-party settlements? I think I figured out a way to do that. I'm doing this with AI, but at the same time, it's still like, we're figuring out a whole bunch of stuff, okay, and now it's like, I don't even know if I can remember what I did right now. You will. I will, but that part of it is heartbreaking. Did you keep a journal through this process? I did until like the last ten days just because I like the energy level to do that. But I mean, I can remember what it was because it was consistent. every day I mean it was just

this it was this constant battle with these electrolytes these you know different flavors and water and salt and like oh my god and do I am I getting enough water and then uh you know it was and then with no energy to do anything it was all the same pattern for like the last the last ten days but uh uh I but I did keep a fairly lengthy journal with a bunch of different columns on it in terms of, you know, what's my mood and, you know, intellectual, emotional. What did I, what did I learn? Because there are a lot of things, even when I was doing the podcast every day, like I started off with coffee and tea and electrolytes, I was pushing electrolytes. And then by the end, I'm like, yeah,

I only want water. And then I can't use these electrolytes. And then it's like, but yeah, But the lack of energy, like even setting up this podcast, I mean, it doesn't seem like a lot goes into the podcast, but just to get to configure like all of the images and set up, like we're not on Rumble, because I guess Rumble's offline right now, but I have to set up all these channels, set up different images, And then to get people to show up, the reason I play the music at the beginning is because I have to post links in telegram groups and everything else. And like as I'm sitting here, like, well, I'm not going to play ten songs at the intro, but I just didn't get a chance to post many links

because I'm like operating like a sloth. So anyway. All right. So if we could summarize about the fasting part, you've been you started fasting in the early nineties when you were vegan. I knew you well back then, and you were highly productive, and people were amazed at your mental capacity and your energy levels even before you started doing any kind of paleo-related things or more advanced fasting. So over the past... uh, what is it over the past eight years or so you've upped the fasting game where, uh, you know, three days, five days,

seven days, uh, fifteen day fasts. And then you did the thirty seven. And now you've reached the forty day mark earlier in the conversation. You had talked about Fitbit. So you were monitoring heart. You said you weren't doing ketone strips. you have the, the, Um, the bed and the sleep app. So, uh, back, you know, a couple of weeks ago you had posted, I think that you, you slept eleven hours and you had like a ninety-nine percent sleep mode. Uh, and so I imagine if you weren't doing ketone strips, you probably weren't testing blood sugar in any way, right? No. OK, so, you know, and again, I don't even believe that part of the learning of all this is I don't even

believe in all that stuff anyway. I actually believe that if you're in tune with your body, I don't I don't need a bed to tell me whether I got enough deep sleep or REM sleep. If I need my bed to tell me that, then I'm probably out of touch. with myself at some fundamental level. So I'm actually like, I'm like, I'm thinking like I might even ditch the Fitbit. That's kind of where I'm going with like, I can't articulate it yet, but there isn't, there's an aspect of this where it's like, this is why when I say that pieces together some of the Dr. Joe stuff with the Jack Cruz stuff and everything else. It's like, you know, at the end of the day, love is a higher order, energetic state that does

affect if you are in that state, as opposed to fear, you're actually expressing different genes. And, you know, so much of this is just a little bit of a sidetrack but a lot of like this genetic testing that people do is just oh here here I'm going to hand myself a whole pile of limiting beliefs that I'm going to assign to my identity as if we know if these genetic markers are accurate or Do we even know if we're expressing those genes? I may have a certain set of genes, but epigenetically, you can express different genes. And what actually changes epigenetics

is a change in your environment. It can be a physical change in your environment. It can be a change in your internal state. And the biggest thing that you can actually do to influence and affect this is to be in a state of love versus fear. And actually, Dr. Joe has measured a lot of this. And this is the kind of stuff that people wouldn't believe because they're still stuck with their materialistic, you know, how do I measure this without any concern for the environment? But I think that there's, I think, I think life is a lot simpler than, we're trying to make it I mean I think it really is more about uh expressing love instead of fear and remaining present and if you do those things it

actually has biological impacts that we're now starting to understand but science is like way far behind from understanding all this so I'll do a presentation about this because this that's most people aren't going to believe it so I'm already aware of that that's fine but I I'm going to kind of lay lay all of this out but It really is about if you can remain present and remaining present is then understanding is this thing that I'm doing or working on, is this a low energy thing or a high energy thing? And if you're aware of that, you can keep moving on to the moving away from the things that are pulling down your energy that will actually extend your life. And I think things like the

bio well and other sensors and other things are going to be developed. that will measure this better but there is so much going against this right this is where things like five g become uh impactful because if if the signals around us and we are energetic if this actually does impact us holistically, then that has impact for Verizon and Google and everybody else. There are a lot of people that are going to not want to discuss this or to pursue it because all of big pharma is based on not curing people, which it doesn't cure people. We spend four and a half trillion dollars a year and nobody is cured of a fucking thing.

and we have a lot of other things that we're implementing and we are this is why I have such an issue with elon musk because at the end of the day he is a materialist and the outcome of his worldview is technocracy and I think that it's it is he's brilliantly executing on if that's your worldview, but completely missing the point about consciousness and the nature of reality on the other hand. That's why I think he's actually dangerous. But again, as I say this, I'm going to lose a lot of people on this, but whatever, it is what it is. I sense all of these discussions and everything that's going on and all of

the energy around Doge is going to fix this and Trump is going to fix this and these public health people are going to fix this. There's a zero percent chance it's going to fix it because they're not even attempting to address the right problem and they can't address the right problem because they're actually stuck in a particular way of thinking. The problem with their way of thinking, and it's fine for people to have different views of thinking, but they use the force of the state to make it so that their way of thinking is the only thing that's allowed to exist. but rather than fight that just do the other thing everything like there's no don't ask for permission from anyone on anything

just build these other things and don't even waste any time on it and also don't waste time thinking I you know I've I've I say this a lot of try to say this a lot of different ways but trying to convince somebody I I'm going to make up I'll call it the arbitrary number but somebody that's like You know, at some point, if if seventy five percent or more of your thoughts, actions and emotions are determined by external forces, you are an NPC, you become an NPC trying to convince and convert an NPC from the standpoint of looking at it from any standpoint, marketing, how you affect your time or time is our most important asset, trying to spend time on people that are

at that level, the ROI on that is going to be almost zero. So don't do it. Focus on the people that, you know, I'm making up the percentages on what percent, you know, but if you can start making people aware and conscious of the fact that they do have control over their own thoughts and actions and emotions, and that who they are as a person right now has been determined by other people. again one person that understands that is worth a million or more people out in in the mainstream public and so I've been trying to get to this I've been trying to articulate this in different ways I'm not articulating it as well as I'll be able to in like five days but I think this

is where where the the time should be spent I I'm just watching a lot of people argue over the people that are not even fully awake themselves that are taking their own trauma and their own limiting beliefs and now trying to impose this through public discourse is just it's just it's a waste of a waste of time I guess I'm more passionate about helping people reclaim their free will at a at a core level like I'm actually passionate about that over like push there is no specific agenda whatever that means once somebody is aware and is present then what they do with that is is theirs I don't have an agenda with that but that seems to me like a worthy place to spend time the rest of the

stuff is noise and it's just negative it's really negative energy that's fruitless right if we could just touch on something that you had mentioned earlier about at thirty two days you had a bowel movement And the reason why I'm bringing this up is in one of your posts earlier today, the thread started to build out where a gentleman had said that he was going to ask about pooping. So you had said that you were drinking a certain amount of water per day and you were limiting it because you didn't want to tax your kidneys too much. But over the span of the forty days, what was your typical urination and bowel movements like? I mean, early on, I would have just liquid

bowel movements for like the first, I don't know, seven days or so, and then nothing. Then there was literally almost nothing for a couple of weeks. And then this thing on day thirty-two was a complete out of left field, not unexpected. Peeing was pretty constant, but the water I would drink at just paste all the time. I was constantly sipping water. And I was alternating between electrolyte water and then just pure water. Because I went through a period where I had too much of electrolytes. It wasn't just... Berg's electrolytes, all I was drinking was electrolyte water.

And that was too much for my kidneys to handle. I didn't need that much potassium or magnesium or salt. And so I finally got that balance right. So I would get to the point where I would have two of these. I have a SodaStream. I would have two of these a day with... electrolytes and then I don't know three or four of these that were just regular water maybe I wasn't I wasn't fully counting it but but I was constantly always drinking drinking water and I would I don't know how many times I would pee but I was peeing all the time I mean including in the middle of the night I mean it was uh it was a common common thing

So I'm looking forward to giving my kidneys a rest. They did good work. My liver did great work. They were the stars of the show for sure. The amazing thing with this is the biggest issue that people have is with visceral fat, fat around their organs that actually causes the most health issues. But when you do a fast, my understanding is that the fat around the liver goes first. So you actually clean up your fatty liver first, which is an interesting, interesting phenomenon. There are so many magical things that happen during this process and things that get reset. And I've tried to figure out how to document. And at one point when I had a whole bunch of energy, I'm like, hey,

I'm going to do ten of these things a day, and I'm going to schedule out all these posts. There was a point in time where I was not only coding, but I was writing two books at the same time. Like while I was waiting for the AI to respond to a change on the coding, I would write a paragraph. Like it was just, it was phenomenal. I hope to figure out how to reclaim that. I hope that is a state that can be achieved without being, you know, twenty days in on a fast. So if we could just dig into the water, uh, because people are going to have questions that, you know, people are going to want to replicate, uh, what you're doing. So you said soda stream. So, uh, does that mean that the water was

carbonated in any way? Does that mean that it was filtered? I use filtered water out of my refrigerator into the soda stream. I usually, I usually drink carbonated water, but as the fast went on, I did not want the carbonated water. So it went from two pumps of the thing for the fizz to by the end, it's the last week it was not carbonated water. And so, but again, everybody's experience, well, I don't know if everybody's experience is gonna vary, but I'll assume people are gonna have different experiences, but you just don't want anything other than the purest water. You don't want any flavors. You don't want any textures.

Now, you need the other stuff. That's the only part about this that's a bit of a conundrum because usually at this point, you're so locked in that your body knows what it wants, except in this regard. Your body needs the electrolytes and it needs the salt and it does not want it. so that that's like this is probably why when this is done in medically supervised settings they do it through ivs oh so people would actually get uh electrolytes or uh you know potassium magnesium that sort of thing uh through the iv if they were in a medical setting and you just had to go by uh how your body was feeling and uh you know When do you think you got

really in tune with your body? At what point in the fast? Pretty early. I mean, when I was doing some of those early podcasts, I was already getting there. And I think, and I'll go back and look at my notes, but I'd say day fourteen to twenty-one was probably peak. Wow. Okay, and so now the fast is ending. Earlier in the podcast, you were talking about what you were eating and resetting your gut bacteria. And you had also said that in five days, you think you'll have finished the recovery. And so for the next five days,

what is your plan, knowing that it might change, but what do you think it's going to be for the next five? Well, this kimchi is pretty strong. You were right on that. I was worried. I'm going to go a little slow on that. That, that is, uh, I, I, I like spicy food by the way. I'll eat an omelet and I'll put So, I mean, three half an hour of peppers in there. It drives my wife nuts. Cause I, you know, I'm cooking the stuff and she's like, you know, well, at least, at least I'm gaining immunity to pepper spray or whatever. But, um, Normally, kimchi is not spicy to me. This is now spicy. Maybe it's actually spicy kimchi. I don't know. I'm in Amsterdam. I actually don't remember my

thirty-seven day fast that much. People tell me that I was kind of out of it and was going on at the end. didn't know what the hell I don't know how much that was true or not, but I don't I do remember breaking the fast and thinking that I was going to eat one thing. And then what I went for when I went to the kitchen, even though I had in my mind, I prepared what I was going to eat. When it actually went to breaking the fast, I went immediately to sauerkraut pickles. It actually blew cheese. I actually broke a fast with that. Not even with while I was waiting for the bone broth. I just jumped into that. That is what I wanted. Now, I believe at that point, I... had done a water only fast

and hadn't been taking salt so that was a salt deficiency I do not I do not have a salt deficiency I can tell you now I do not have a massive salt deficiency exiting this fast because this stuff is actually tasting salty and so almost too salty so that's that's a big change usually in the past there hasn't been a five day ramp up again I've broken fast with chili I've broken fast with other stuff I've generally pretty cognizant about doing the bone broth just because I know what minerals deficiencies that I have so you know they're just things that I know that I absolutely don't have and want to get those in as quickly as possible but it's very possible that I might be like all right

well I'm going to go out for a steak tomorrow that that that could happen that's I would not rule that out it will depend on what my first bowel movement is like Right. Well, you have a big day tomorrow too. Yeah, I do have a big day tomorrow. So I've got a panel and a, talk and then and then xano's having a after party from like eight to ten which I'm not going to be able to stay out late for any of that because then I have to actually create a whole other presentation for the next day so um so interesting couple of days it's going to be an but I've I've also not needed a lot of sleep I don't generally need a lot of sleep so I don't know I going to play out I also don't know how all this is

don't know how it's going to play out with uh with my heart rate and walking that is something that when I did the long fast before it was in the winter and so I wasn't doing walks in the winter but the weather was actually nice in new hampshire so I was going for walks every day but then I told you I had this I would have this thing where I'm like oh I got two hundred and forty minutes of two hundred forty zone minutes Like I never get two hundred forty. I don't care if I'm lifting weights and or if I'm wearing a twenty five pound weight vest while going on a walk. I'm never getting those kind of zone minutes. And so I will be curious to see how long it takes for that to to recover and what

what all happens. is involved in that you do lose some muscle and your heart is a muscle so I don't know what what all goes on with that but it is you're also in a protective state so you're not because a lot of people are like oh you're going to lose a whole ton of muscle and everybody likes to chime in on all this but turns out your body is a lot smarter than that so that when you get into this position you're operating mostly on ketones um I mean I wouldn't do weight lifting on while doing this and and I have a whole bunch of theories, but I don't even know how to test them. But about the fact that part of it is that when you're in ketosis, you're reclaiming some amino acids.

And so that's why some stuff actually still functions, because you can't get amino acids just by converting your fat. And so you do have certain other functions that you need to have happen, but they were happening. I wrote about it and I, and I journaled on this day seven, I'm playing volleyball with the kids and actually better than, than I would have been six months previously. And it was just weird. And then this is the point where it's like, Oh, Hey, you know, my art is like, do you want to play tennis? there's no way I'll die if I play tennis. I'm like, I mean, if my heart rate's a hundred and forty doing a slow walk, then no, I'm not even going to try to play tennis.

So that will be the interesting thing to see the, um, the recovery. Uh, but in the past, I don't remember there being a long, a long ramp up at all. I'm just being more deliberate about it this time, uh, in part, cause I want to try some new things. I think, you know, the Jack Cruz stuff and everything else, I think there's some interesting things about the timing of eating that I want to play around with. Um, and so some of that is just experimental, but I expect to be, you know, probably probably in two to three days, I'll be back to somewhat normal, whatever that is. But then again, I haven't decided what I want my eating to be. You know, one of the- So you've said ramp

up a couple of times, but so you mean ramp up back to normal eating, right? Well, normal eating or normal exercise. So for instance, so the weather here is nice. So if I were in normal mode, I'd probably walk twenty miles a day here through Amsterdam based on the weather. And I will tell you, I mean, based on the fact that I'm you know, it was a five minute walk to the grocery store. You know, I can't see that happening. So not remember. So I guess what I'm saying is that the disconnect for me is I never walked before during a prolonged fast. So I never experienced this thing with heart rate. and so maybe there's nothing to it and then maybe like tomorrow I'll be back to doing normal walking

because that because I was able to get right back into things before I don't know but it just seems like it was so like I went from even during this fast doing eighteen thousand steps a day to then, you know, you could just, you could chart, I can see on the Fitbit how much walking I could do. And it's not like I didn't have anything else to do. It's not like I was blocked off because of my schedule or anything. there was a day where it was Yeah, I mean, raining and I wasn't gonna go out, but there was just like, yeah, no, I can't. Okay, I did eighteen thousand steps three Today, days ago. going and checking the mail is all I can do. and so there's like there's a there's this like ramp

ramp thing but it might it might repeat right away but I I do have a sense to be really mindful of my kidneys in particular kidneys and liver but kidneys in particular the kidneys did a lot of of work they did an exceptional amount of work So a while back when you had completed the the thirty seven day fast, your body mass had greatly reduced, as people would imagine. And you had told me because I'd asked you, you think you're ever going to try to go for forty and you didn't think you would be able to because of the body mass. So prior to starting this, if you're comfortable talking about it, because I know people are going to want to know. uh what was your weight if

you're comfortable what was your you know I didn't weigh myself I don't give a about that that's not the point of the that wasn't the point of the fast that that's the again and I want to stress the point of this isn't to measure these data points based on the way this materialistic deterministic medicine works I I it's hard to exp I don't ever want to measure those things I want to figure out a way to flip the way we even think about health so I did not measure the thing now did I lose a ton of weight yeah I mean I I'm down I probably lost fifty pounds, but that wasn't the purpose. But yeah, I would imagine it's at least fifty pounds. I still probably have an extra thirty pounds to lose.

So I'm not at my my optimal weight. I'll probably be back to my optimal weight by the end of the summer. But yeah, that wasn't that wasn't a focus. So you have to get up and speak at this event. And do your clothes even fit? I bought new clothes. I had to buy new clothes. I mean, I'm wearing my t shirts are oversized, but no, I had to buy new shoes and new pants. However, the thing is, this thing with the kidneys, and the electrolytes and balancing that is a bigger deal than I thought like

again a few days ago I was like bloated like where it's like no my waist increased like five inches like that like that level of bloating so I don't know so I might actually have the reverse situation where if that bloating happens I'm gonna have problems with wearing the pants that I just bought but that but that is clearly water um but it's an interesting it's going to be I I probably won't have any problems with it at all I I really do believe that this was just a a function of uh of the electrolyte thing but this also happened on the air the airplane like the airplane was uh I'm glad I got the other seat because that that was a little bit of a that was an uncomfortable that was an

uncomfortable flight even with a flat seat Wow. All right. Excellent. So I think we covered, I hope we covered, if anybody's watching this or will watch this in the future, that we've touched enough on the fast itself. And, you know, throughout this podcast, you mentioned quite a number of books and authors and different doctors that you've recommended. If somebody was in, we'll summarize the fast part now. If somebody was going to start what is the first book or the first doctor that they should follow?

Dr. Eric Berg. I would start with him and start with, I would start with healthy keto. And I want to stress healthy keto because people jump into healthy and it's like this I'm going to eat all these people. I'm going to have a stack of steak and a stack of. Yeah, he's showing the electrolytes, a stack of eggs and a stack of steak. And that's all I'm going to eat. That's not going to work. I mean, so part of healthy keto is I eat like a half a pound of spinach a day. Like you actually are. The whole point behind it is that you need to get a certain amount of protein. You need a certain amount of nutrients from your food.

And then you need fat. The rest of it is fat. So we've been scared away from fat, but eating fat is actually what makes you feel full. And when you're in ketosis, then if you're feeding your body fat, then your body is already adapted to fat. So you don't feel hungry. You're actually burning this fuel source. What happens is people's blood sugar is all screwed up. The insulin levels are all screwed up. So they're always hungry. They're never actually burning fat. And they're constantly dealing with issues related to blood sugar and insulin. and so uh but you have to do it in a healthy way if you don't do it in a healthy way where you're getting all of the nutrients so I

eat you know so I'll have a big I'll have like a five egg omelet and a half a pound of spinach um and sauerkraut like that's a common meal for me to have on this but there's a lot of other stuff like so you he has thousands of videos so you can go down and he does a weekly show you can go down his rabbit hole for a really long time but he has videos on every topic that you could imagine and so you have people that have all these different conditions and women have different situations and apparently a lot of people have lost their gallbladders and I've learned a lot about things that I didn't realize were things that people dealt with and and it's fascinating to learn about

this and he actually has some interesting supplements and things for this you know for instance having apple cider vinegar is really helpful And my wife does this. She has apple cider vinegar and lemons and she, she makes up, she has a whole complicated routine with a whole bunch of stuff, but she's, she, she, she manages all this stuff properly. And I, I fell off the, I forgot about the apple cider vinegar somehow just in the process that, that fell away. The other thing is eating nutritional yeast is something that you can put on. I put it on spinach, but you can put it on, on anything. People have a, Vitamin B deficiency and and nutritional yeast has a lot of different B vitamins so

anyway start with him because Once you get into you have to fix your your blood sugar first And you have to fix the insulin levels before you can start doing this longer-term fasting and and so what the combination of his diet and then the timing of and the duration of the intermittent fasting is actually what gives you a platform to be able to do this stuff longer. But he doesn't dwell a lot on the longer term fasting. So once you get through that, then you're going to be looking at, the ultimate expert on this is Dr. Alan Goldhamer, because he runs a water only fasting clinic. I can't remember where it is. I want to say New Jersey, but I might be wrong on that. But for years,

he has had people that come in for up to forty days and and these are people with ailments and he has a bunch of data on this I wish his data was all fully public because the other thing is throughout this fast this is the great thing about this good luck finding an ai every ai tells me this is unsafe you can't do this I'm like well if I'm on day thirty of a fast what should I do well you shouldn't you should check with a medical professional and then when I would ask it more questions I'm like okay Show me the data that suggests that there's an issue doing a four-day. we don't have any data because the Well, independent review board unsafe to even have people says that it would be

test doing a four-day fast. I mean, literally, Fuck all this. and all of the AIs are the same. The only AI that has, I don't have access to it yet, is Mike Adams, Enoch, HealthRangers AI, where it's trained on some data set based on some actual results from long-term fasting. But this guy Goldhammer has apparently thousands and thousands of data points. And it's like most people fix type two diabetes most people fix blood pressure most people fix a whole long list of things and then you have other surprises in there like ms and cancer and some other some other situations but but I can tell you from experiencing it multiple times once you understand what happens with diabetes

and how all this stuff works yeah you can your body will reset if you leave it alone And provided you get you refeed out of it properly, you will cure most of the conditions that are driving most of the four and a half trillion dollars in health care in this country, literally through fasting, most of it, most of the chunks of it. And so no one wants to talk about it. As I've said before, doctors get between twenty and twenty four hours total of nutritional education the entire time they're in medical school. And there is zero time spent on fasting. The only thing that they might study about fasting is to do a twenty four hour fast before doing a surgical procedure.

There's literally nothing in their curriculum. about fasting. So I said this very first episode, this is one of those things and I'm adamant about this, your doctor doesn't know anything about fasting doesn't know anything about how to improve your health. And I'm not saying to listen to me either. I'm saying that you need to responsibility for your own actually take health and start doing your own research, but also not assuming that These people know what they're talking about. And a big part of this, because George, you know, I do this. If somebody claims to be an expert, then I'm going to study what it is they study and what their educational background is and what the curriculum is.

And if it turns out it's bullshit, then I'm not going to listen to them at all. You should never listen to they're an authority or somebody just because because somebody says, look at the track record of doctors. I mean, look at the health of most doctors, by the way. I mean, it's kind of, I mean, how many overweight doctors are there? How many, you know, I post those things sometimes, the cigarette commercials, you know, nine out of ten doctors prefer this. I mean, they're giving people opioid addictions for lower back problems. Like, literally, I can't tell you. The only reason I would go to a doctor is because they're you know if I broke a bone that's the only place that

you can go to and the only reason it's the only place you can go to is because of laws and accreditation doctors are horrible um so I'm adamant about people learning this themselves but but along with that is I didn't just jump into this and I am not recommending a forty day fast like you have to have a really specific reason to do this and you know and you have to be willing to always be willing to break a fast like I said I would have broken the fast a couple of days ago uh but I got back to the hotel and I just slept and I didn't have the recurrence of the thing with bile but but I would have broken the fast uh if if my body told me that you know it wouldn't be able to

do this I've done this on multiple occasions I've had times where I was trying to do a fourteen day fast. I only ended up doing twelve. I had the other one where I was trying to do forty. I did thirty seven. It happens all the time. Sometimes sometimes your body tells you different signals. So I think the whole point of this is that fasting can help you figure out how to listen to your body because most of us are completely out of our body. We are not present in our mind or our body because we are programmed not to be. And everybody is looking for ways to sell us things to occupy and take control and deter us from learning about our own innate power in our minds and our bodies.

I just want to confirm something you said earlier. So the entire time that I've known you and worked on different projects, different startups, If ever there was somebody that was said to be an expert in something, you would very quickly research what books that they're reading. people would post the Back in the day, different books and you would make sure that you consumed all of that information. So if we can just go down that rabbit hole, because people might come across this video because they're interested in fasting and what your experience has been, and now you've helped them to get a high level view of what it's like, but let's give them some background on you.

So maybe you're comfortable talking about tangerine. Maybe you're comfortable about just as quickly as you can, a summary on who you are, what you've done, and that you're just not somebody that follows an internet fad. Well, I'm not looking for people to follow me. So I like I'm not. I don't know. I'm not I guess I'm not really trying to like hard sell it. I think that I made I may write a I'd started writing a book about this between day fourteen to day twenty one. So I may put together a a book on this.

I have talked about it in other things. I mean, I mean, as it relates to this issue in particular, my parents followed the stupid USDA food pyramid when I was a kid. So growing up, I ate shit. I ate fruity pebbles for breakfast. I had school lunches, which it's like square pieces of pizza and all the shit that they serve at public school. I would eat horrible things. I would have Taco Bell and all this other stuff. And so I gained weight as a kid. And so I've struggled with weight on and off. And when I was a kid, I think the first time we're like, oh, well, why don't we go to the doctor and see what we can do about this?

The doctor referred us to a nutritionist. And the nutritionist told me to have a low-fat diet. and told me to not have any fat literally told me to have because I remember it as clear as day to eat snack well cookies actually it said because at that point in whatever it was like the late eighties early nineties it's like that was it the low fat craze so you go somewhere and it's like hey you know here's you know frosted flakes are low fat no fat frosted flakes and so so of course in doing that if you ever reduced diet calorie diet that sugar you're going to be hungry all the time because all they're doing is spiking your blood sugar and screwing up your insulin

levels so of course those diets didn't work so so I you know I got serious about losing weight when I was seventeen now of course I I always try extreme things so I i went, you know, I'm at I'm at high school, I'm at this, you know, gifted and talented high school and in Indiana, it was a residential school on a college campus. So I'm like, eating like, five hundred calories a day, and, and I'm swimming one to three hours a day. Like it was insane. Like it was just kind of like a, you know, non nonstop thing. So lost a bunch of weight. This is when I became vegan. So I know no shortage of determination. on this. But again,

what what happens with this is then get involved with startups and everything else. And so I'm very good at concentrating my energy, but often that part of it goes away or and this is still an issue. So so part part of the issue with this is it's like, all right, I can be here's all the food and here's all this stuff. But then I travel all over the place and meet with people and eating as part of the social experience. So like the idea that you're going to cut that out of your life, that would actually be a bad thing. That's a net, you know, in overall health, actually having connections to share a meal with people with people and being able is an important part of life.

So trying to figure out how to balance that without being a complete pain in the ass is is a challenge, but it's something that have to work on an ongoing basis. Anyway, did my first company work on my which was around this weight issue again, second company, and, and the idea behind the company was actually pretty straightforward. It was to use financial incentives to reward people for losing weight in corporate settings. So it's, Actually, I haven't even looked at the stats now, but I'm sure it's still true. Obesity is the largest single cost driver for healthcare. And in fact, at the time, I remember it was something like if you looked at the healthcare costs and then lost productivity,

because if you're an employer, your concern is not only what the medical costs are, but how many sick days, absenteeism, presenteeism, all of these other things. And it turns out like, and it's actually disproportionate for women, women have much higher obesity there was a whole bunch of related costs, really interesting actuarial information about this. But what I figured out is that if you reward people for create completely voluntary program, first of all, and you reward, this is one of our core values was voluntary. In fact, it's I mean, it's it's laughable, because it's completely I mean, ideologically aligned with it was completely where I am right now. But run a voluntary program that

uses financial incentives to reward everyone. So if you're at, if you're overweight, you were rewarded for losing weight. If you're at a healthy weight, you're rewarded for maintaining a healthy weight. And if you're underweight, which happens in a very small percentage, you actually get rewarded for gaining weight. The whole point was to move people to the healthy range, but then to reward them for maintaining the gain. So I actually structured the financial incentives, the problem and Weight Watchers, by the way, just filed for bankruptcy. The problem with all of these diet programs is they're all structured around, you know, eight to twelve weeks. And the thing is,

what you have to do is you have to get people to change their behavior over a longer period of time. It's not about rewarding somebody for losing weight. It's about rewarding them for maintaining the weight loss over time. That's where you actually see the actuarial savings. And so our rewards were cumulative. The more you lost and the longer you kept it off, the more you would earn. And that was completely aligned with the insurance costs of the employer. so we also promoted not only promoted choice so we were was it voluntary we not prescriptive we didn't say Weight Watchers wanted to acquire us Jenny Craig wanted to acquire us everybody wanted to acquire us because they wanted to

use our platform which was based on being voluntary and having choice and force their own thing and use it as a vehicle and I refused to sell to any of them because I built the company to solve a problem. And it relates to even what we were talking about earlier about these random control trials. I've got a thing with that too. I had this guy who was on the board of directors of Pfizer who was looking to invest. And he's like, why don't you get a random control trial on this? Like, okay, the whole point of the program is that it's based on integrating the corporate environment, what resources they have available, integrating the information about the nutrition in their kitchen,

customizing the incentives for their workspace. What do you want to do? Run a fucking test on like one small element on this for twelve weeks? Anyway, I refused to take his money and told him to fuck off. But the point is, everybody told me that it wouldn't work. They said no one will participate, and that no one will be first of all, successful in the program. So our model, the financial model that I had was like, if we had ten percent participate, that was kind of our break even point. And we were what's called gain sharing the savings. So basically the model was structured, the amount of incentives and a whole thing where I'd put in the information about the census of the group,

how many employees, gender distribution, run it through this obesity cost calculator, and then test all the incentives based on the rewards. And then we'd predict out the ROI based on productivity and everything else. And so these were Fortune five hundred companies which were contracting the business that you're speaking of to run these incentive programs. Well, they ended up that we started out with small businesses and then we were moving up. We were just we had just signed our first couple of Fortune five hundred companies when the financial crisis hit in two thousand and eight. But we actually had Wal-Mart. I had a week where I was meeting with Google, Wal-Mart. Newell Rubbermaid.

Walmart called me three years In fact, after we got shut down basically by Dodd-Frank. But the point is we ended up getting a sixty percent participation rate. So when I say sixty percent, it was sixty percent of the entire company, not just the overweight employees. And we had companies that were saving. Our first client was a small manufacturer in Rockford, Illinois. And the amount of money that they were saving was the equivalent of them doing an extra million dollars in revenue. they only did ten million dollars in Well, revenue. So this was like massive. So they ended up on Good Morning America. And we had another client on NBC nightly news. And I mean, it was just,

it was absolutely ramping up and everybody was shocked by it. And the thing that I learned about it is doctors, none of these people understood the principles of incentives and voluntary and choice. Literally, I would have to explain those things. It's, look at these things in these terms. They don't even know how to And so I could tell you why everything doesn't work in healthcare. They treat everything like a disease. You're a patient. Then they'll give you telephone support. It's like, oh, here. Then they do back to this over-testing thing. They'll have Quest Diagnostics come in and give you a blood panel with eighty different pieces of information on it. The problem is nobody knows

how to read any of the information. Telling a factory worker their glomular filtration rate isn't in the right range is not going to help that person improve that metric. We made it fun. We also use team incentives. So we had a combination of team incentives and everything else. And I was getting to the point where I was going to blow it out, companies competing against one another. where we even have And like the whole thing. Well, again, it worked because of course it worked. Of course, incentives work. Of course, voluntary works. Of course, choice works. We know that that works. I mean, it's not like I invented anything amazing, but it was completely unheard of in the health care sector.

And then it got destroyed by Obamacare, Dodd-Frank and Attorney General Eric Holder. Because our model, what we were doing is we were taking the healthcare savings and distributing those as rewards. Well, the healthcare savings were pre-tax Obamacare made it so that dollars. you can't use healthcare pre-tax dollars for results-based incentives. You can only use it for participation. So in other words, I can't reward you for losing five percent of your body weight and keeping it off. I can only reward you for signing up for the fucking program. So I'm like, all right, I'm done. I'm not going to. I guess I had the option, which is I could be like everybody else and make a

program that adds to cost but checks boxes. In fact, I could tell you all kinds of stories about United Healthcare and Aetna and what everybody wanted. They wanted the ability to say that they had something on a checkbox so that when they were competing against whoever it was, they could say, oh, yeah, we have a weight loss program, but they didn't care if it worked. so they wanted to buy us to be to be able to say to be able to do a check the box thing and I'm like no and then you know so anyway I decided to just shut it down as opposed to was there any particular meeting or company that you were talking to that made you realize it's just better to shut it down oh yes so we were selling

We had nine hundred distribution partners throughout the United States. We worked with HR consulting firms and benefits brokers across the country. So I created a uh website we had portals so if we were working with like aeon or willis group or something like that we and when I say these they I would count the different offices as being different groups so wells fargo or not wells fargo uh wachovia their benefits group and so we would have nine hundred different people coming to our site and they would fill out a the census information and then we had an automated proposal so we could so I sh our sales cycle went from eighteen months to ninety days because I was able to

automate all of the way that we quote this stuff. And because I made it click wrap agreements, which I tell everybody about all the time that we signed without reading all of it. Well, I'm no part of that because that took a year out of the sales cycle to not have to have HR go to general counsel, right? Like that truly it's a great trick, but it's not great for all of us. Now, when Obamacare passed, A hundred percent of our pipeline dried up within two weeks, one hundred percent. So I so not only I mean, we were at the point where we were getting multiple deals every day and bigger and bigger companies. Then I would call the senior people at Mercer and these

various firms and they said, one, This, you know, your program has these issues that, you know, you're going to have to restructure the program in a way where it doesn't solve the problem in a way that is ROI positive. But then two, they said employers aren't even going to be looking at this because they're going to be spending the next two years trying to figure out how to comply with all the rest of this. So literally a hundred percent. of everything dried up the other thing that happened though with the existing clients that I had we were rewarding people we would go in and measure people every quarter and then we cumulative rewards every would pay out the quarter while we were using

citigroup for debit cards for reloadable debit cards and so we actually had our brand on these orange debit cards and they'd get reloaded every quarter well because of dodd frank if you had in excess of ten billion dollars a bank with more than ten billion dollars worth of assets, they assessed some new penalty that forced Citibank to get out of this. So we had tens of thousands of customers all over the place that were in year two, year three of the program, where we now no longer could use their reloadable debit card. And guess what? the process of getting a new debit card provider you have to go through all the anti-money laundering stuff all the kyc stuff that that

would have been like that's a six-month process now after this happened so our set backup plan was we were using a check writing service that had been in business for thirty years so if we can't do a reloadable debit card we'll do this well our particular uh check writing service allegedly one of their customers was involved in working with offshore casinos. And so all of the customers pooled money into one bank account. So the DOJ came in under Eric Holder and seized all of the funds. So we had hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of checks going out to nurses all over the country that bounced and that we weren't even given the opportunity to replace the funds. I was then told that we were

guilty and we had to prove our innocence. So we had to spend six months. So we eventually had to recut all of the checks, but we didn't even have a check writing process internally. We had to pay again for all of the rewards. Then we had to pay all of the legal fees to actually get the rest of our money back. And of course, at the end of all of this, we can no longer use this check writing service. So at the end of this process, Obamacare says you can no longer operate your business under these rules. and dodd frank says you can't use these payment methods and so at that point I'm like all right that's enough that's enough for me and I mean it's just something if you ever want

to understand why I'm so passionate about crypto why I'm so passionate about payments I mean this business in my first business crypto would have solved significant pain points for both of those businesses but actually this payment thing was one I mean if obamacare hadn't happened we would have been able to figure out a workaround we would have had probably six to twelve months of you know a lot of operational crappiness but we would have figured it out but um but crypto would have would have solved uh that would have probably increased our overall gross margins by fifteen percent and significantly streamlined our business and so when I get passionate about it you know I like I encourage

people to think about not just payments but then when you add on top of that tokens um it will it will transform any business there's because there's payment processing and banking problems for every company in the united states of america whether people are aware of it or not so anyway the but the other thing to understand about me though is if I start something I and then I articulate why I'm starting something I lay out the vision I'm going to follow the vision in the vision unless there's a reason for the vision to change and the reason for the business the vision to change is not because the government says that they want only participation trophies that's not a reason I I

will you know work till the end on the problem that I'm trying to solve But anyway, that was that was that was that experience. So that kind of ties into this. But I mean, the rest of it, I'm not asking anybody to believe me or follow me. I'll put out information about fasting. You can do whatever you want. I will be talking a lot more, though. And I'll talk to other people like Mark Passio and others about the fact that people really we knew need to focus on getting rid of these like deep. De-programming ourselves. We need to become aware of the fact that we're programmed. And this is not an easy process because it sucks. You feel like an idiot when you realize, oh my God,

my personality is like this because of this. I'm like this because of this. It's hard work. It's not, and the hardest part in the process is to forgive yourself for having gone through it. But if you can do it, that will actually transform you. You can un-NPC yourself. And to me, we have to do that. All of the stuff about, great, sound money is not going to save the world as long as people are still asleep and people are still NPCs. Sound money and tools, like, you know, privacy tokens and everything else are great, but they're only great if people are aware enough and conscious enough to use them.

And so I'm gonna be, you know, kind of breaking up my time between those things. I'm still gonna comment on the stupid stuff that's going on, but at the same time, you know, maybe only in a hope that, you know, is there a capitulation point you know and I could rant about a lot of things because I'm starting to feel a little bit better now but um I think that kimchi you know got got me in a good way but I just look at this it's like do people I'm going to pick on rfk jr but but you know you have this maha movement that is all about health freedom and maybe it's a lack of understanding of how government can even work why do they think why not just go boycott public health directly right now.

You don't need anybody to do it. Like we really need to focus on the fact that you can control your own life. You don't need permission from anyone at any point in time. Just do it. And transformation actually happens in an instant. It may take a while to get to that, but it literally, once you become aware enough to make a decision, that is when transformation happens. So I say it all the time and presidential thing and I'm I said it on the serious about it. Just boycott public health. Don't. make the decision that your doctor is not in charge of your health, that you are in charge of your health. When you make that single decision, that's game changing. And then you hold that

decision because then your next thing is, oh, well, let me see what the doctor has to say. It's going to be, oh, well, what are the different ways? Where can I get information about health? How can I start learning about myself? And it just changes your entire worldview. And I think if we can do that, and I'm increasingly convinced we don't need two to three percent. I think two to three hundred people doing that in the United States would change things. I'm not even exaggerating. I mean, how often do you go through and look at how things work and you realize it's really only one or two people pushing things? Everybody else is just following and they'd follow whatever it is.

And so but I don't think that that's that's not genetic destiny. I don't buy that. you know people these are all other limiting beliefs and things that people like to subscribe to then there's one that's like well only x percent of the population is libertarian like like it's somehow it's a hardwired thing nothing is hardwired all of it is is programmed but if you're actually conscious I don't know if you're gonna you would sign up to be a libertarian either I like that's a whole other whole other thing but um I I really I don't know how to do it yet but I think the more people mark passio was talking about this he was talking about it in terms of doing shadow work his approach is a little

heavy-handed I I like I don't I don't know if he can like tone that I don't know I don't know the the one I don't like there are I don't like the program and I don't like the people behind it but the best approach I've seen is landmark it just in the sense that they actually get people to show up and it's done based on other people that have gone through the program and have been successful. I think that's actually probably, this is something that happens organically. And George, you'll, you'll remember that group mind movie when, when, uh, Eileen and I came down to Florida during COVID, remember that four hundred slide thing I had? You've, you've been on this journey for a Oh yeah.

while and, uh, you're starting to get some traction with some of the things that you had originally mapped out in that mind movie. Well, so I did a mind movie, a group mind movie, and we put down some kind of like affirmations for a, for a group, but where I got caught up in it and I'm still, it's still not resolved because it is. So here's the thing. It is known that you can tap into your subconscious. You can do this by getting into your, Alpha brainwave states. You can do this a whole variety of different ways. You can do it through fasting. You can do it through ayahuasca. You can do it through meditation. There are all these different methodologies. And a lot of people know this.

The problem is a lot of the people that form organizations around this turn into cults. And they use it because they want to control people. So when we put together the mind movie that we spent days talking about and actually being critical about, OK, well, what do we don't what do we not like about, say, what's happened with the Free State Project or what we got like about some of our own experiences? We went through it's like, OK, how do we stop this from happening? How do we stop from this? Then I spent a whole bunch of time a year studying cults. and and so in the end I don't want to be I so I want to figure out a way to make these tools available without having to lead it I

don't want to be a leader I don't want to build a cult so so the challenge is how to get these ideas out there without it turning into this because they're actually I don't know of any examples I don't know that much I mean I've studied religion some somewhat and and It almost seems to me like that's what Jesus was trying to do. And then people turned it into a fucking mega church bullshit thing with priests and all of this other stuff. It doesn't seem like he was into churches. He doesn't seem like he was into all of that. So if you see what they managed to do with... So kind of like Bitcoin got hijacked, how can you take a movement to try to help people to get rid of their limiting

beliefs and become conscious without it turning into a cult or being hijacked by outside parties and I have not and answers for this and this I still don't have any is why I'm not doing anything formal because I I refuse to even go down that I this is why when you even said oh well why don't you tell people about your background like I don't want it to be about me I want it to be about the ideas and these ideas are you know me rambling after a forty day fast so this is not coherent there is some coherence to it at some point but it's um but I it is the direction to go in and again to me everybody's focused on mainstream let's get you know goods get public attention and

everything else it's like I I don't know man if you could get five people to you know, unfuck themselves, to me, that would be amazing. That would have a huge impact on the world. But it has to be without the goal of determining what they do once they get into that state without not trying to manipulate them or program them. All of this stuff. When you look at Scientology, what does Scientology do? They have all this, what do they call it? Recording sessions. So you come in and they document everything. you're um basically they start to collect blackmail on you and they use it on you and and so when you're doing this work where you are tapping into your

subconscious and everything else we all have trauma and stuff and being able to talk about it helps but like nexium and every time I go and look at one of these things it that gets turned into like a blackmail thing. That's even how secret skull and bones and all of these other things. And I'm just, I'm so sick of that. I like, you know, and it always breaks that way. So it seems like the problem is the mission of the organization, these things is always to do this. because the mission of There's an intent for the organization that is not just making this person become a more conscious person to then just do whatever they want with that right and express their own free will as

opposed to we're going to reprogram you and have you express our will and so I I don't know I don't have an answer for that but I think it's a solvable problem I mean so there's I don't know some way to open source this some way to do it so that it's not attached to a person and links. So I haven't figured that out. That was five years ago. We got distracted by COVID and then distracted by CVDCs and everything else. And again, for those who haven't heard this, for the reason that I'm doing CVDCs is that literally technocracy is a threat to free will so you do not have the ability to expand your consciousness and expanding your consciousness is simply about your ability to

exercise and make your own choices you cannot exercise your own choices in a an environment where your choices are actually predetermined for you by technocrats using social credit systems and other things that may get into things like brain implants and everything else and so literally If technocracy takes over, then there is no raising of consciousness. Consciousness is determined and capped by technocrats. And as I've said before, the problem with technocrats is technocrats live in a world based on determinism. They live in a world based on Newtonian physics. They live in this world of random controlled tests and and that's why it's a threat. everything else,

Now, it's hard for me to express because it's not easy to understand, but it's all like provable, right? I mean, it's like this stuff is, it's quantum physics. There's this other thing that, well, anyway, I'm not gonna remember it all now, but it is based on science. It's just not based on the old science that people are taught and the old science that people operate under. this is one of these problems So again, where people have to unlearn ten things before they can even understand which is why it's not going what you're talking about, to be a mainstream thing. And that's fine. But I still want to figure out how to get kind of the early adopters. But the thing is, Mark Passio has been doing

this for seventeen years. He's been trying to get people. to do this for seventeen years and if you watch some of his last podcast he's just ranting I mean he's gotten to the point where it's just it's a string of just you know he's swearing and calling people idiots and everything and I you know while I appreciate the frustration I don't think there's righteous like I view roger has righteous anger when I show those videos um know where he's talking about madeleine albright and five hundred thousand iraq that's righteous anger and what's under that righteous anger is a love for humanity and a knowledge that voluntary interaction can basically allow people to exercise

their free will and it'll maximize freedom and it will minimize war but when passio does it the the he's not he says it's righteous anger but I don't know. as righteous anger. I don't think it comes off And I'm not trying to pick on him because he's working on something and he's really knowledgeable. This all comes down to, I don't have the answer to how to roll this out. And part of rolling it out, even when we came up with the mind movie, was to say, kind of like with my company, there's choice in even how you go about I, I just pulled up the mind movie and, uh, you know, if you wanna describe to people what it is, I'll, I'll summarize it starts off with, uh,

visuals and binaural beats to get people into, you know, an alpha beta theta type state. And the first words that come up on one of the slides, cuz it's basically like a slide show, uh, is I am self healing. Yep. yeah it's I mean it's it isn't it's interesting I I wonder how much you know maybe I've been operating watched it in five years under that without having but it's powerful because once you realize how you're programmed and once you realize you can put yourself in the brainwave state to program yourself then you basically watch your own movie so instead of watching what hollywood tells you or watching what

politicians tell you you're literally writing your own thing and so I put together string of affirmations, and some of them were individual based, some of them were based on the group. So you know, like a positive, caring, voluntary, can't remember what the words were, if you've got if you want, I'll read through it. you can be sure you can read through, Yeah, I mean, read through some of it. All right. So it starts off. This is the general one. So this wasn't specific to any one person. This was what we were calling the group mind movie. So I am self-healing. I am continuously improving. So these are the affirmations you were talking about. I am expanding my consciousness.

I am co-creating a voluntary, peaceful, caring network. And this speaks to, you know, one of the things that you were very adamant about is you didn't want it to turn into any kind of cult if we went mainstream with it. I am co-creating a voluntary, peaceful, caring network that empowers individualized solutions. I am co-creating a voluntary, peaceful, caring network that shares love and know-how. I am co-creating a voluntary, peaceful, caring network that fosters accountability and integrity. I am co-creating a voluntary, peaceful, caring network that self learns and evolves.

And as I'm saying this, these are the different slides and each of the slides has imagery to enforce the words. I am co-creating a voluntary, peaceful, caring network that grows organically. I am co-creating a voluntary, peaceful, caring network that self sustains. I am co-creating a voluntary, peaceful, uh caring network uh that self-sustains I said that uh I am a voluntary peaceful caring network that is decentralized now think about this all the decentralization that's uh coming full circle in your world yep and that that's

essentially it so basically you know what I hope if anybody just listened to what I said and what the original intent was was to It's about voluntary. It's about making your own choices. It's about being decentralized. And it's about empowering yourself as an individual and taking control of your own health and well-being and consciousness. So that was that was twenty twenty one. Yep. Yeah. That was that was. That was where I was going. And then we got a little bit waylaid, but not I mean, this is all this is all it is all related. And it all it all connects, I guess.

But this is an adjustment. And again, I think the realization of like, not not wanting to get into the the public discourse part of it is not not a winning angle. Because to me, it seems like it's it's manipulation. You know, and it is manipulation. of people that would hold the view that, And I think there are a lot well, you know, and it comes down to, I mean, and I've also read whatever the forty eight laws of power and I've read the prints and I've read all that other stuff. And I and I and I don't I don't like I understand it. But I think that that's a pretty shitty way. To live on the basis of manipulate. And I know people study this stuff and here's the game theory and how we're going

to do all this. I think that it's kind of a. not a great approach it's not going to engender a very positive uh future so anyway I think that I still don't know how to do it per se because I I because I the the other thing that I found is and I found this with with tangerine as well is there is a certain point where if you offer too much choice one of the things we were talking about in two thousand and nine with Tangerine was trying to use A.I. to help match. So while we were offering choice, we were going to use A.I. to help match based on data diet health programs for people based on their individual situation.

And so it's kind of like with with this different different things work for people passio I last time I talked to him I think when he was on the show or maybe it was afterwards I I think there's almost a certain degree of maybe I'm wrong with the assessment I almost feel like we're becoming less conscious I I think people are uh I think because of social media because of techno I think technology has has not been helpful uh in raising consciousness in fact it's just it's it's made it so that people can be programmed on a more hyper targeted basis and so even when I look at brian johnson I talk about that again and all of this now biometrics and everything I'm going to do six hundred

else everything to avoid getting in touch with yourself like if you're in touch with yourself you're conscious about your eating if you're grounded if ground you're getting the you're walking in the sun you're you're aligning with circadian rhythms like if you're doing all of that I don't need a watch I don't need a bed to tell me this I don't need tests to tell me this but we're not we're moving towards now we're going to be putting nanotechnology in our bodies and isn't all of this going to be great and I and i I think that our lack of understanding enough about ourselves prior to applying technology is a disastrous situation that leads to actually the reduction of consciousness.

And so I think that that now, I don't know what that means in terms, but I would say, I do think we are, are becoming less conscious. And then there are people that'll say, and this is to my point on this, that'll say, well, yeah, but look, look at how many people woke up because of COVID. And I think this is the Plato's cave thing again, where it's like, well, okay, they're looking at the shadow. This piece of it, yes, maybe they're not going to be able to do this particular exact thing again, but they'll just change the angle of the reflection of the primary source of the light. And then boom, it's going to hit all over again. And because people aren't aware of what's going on at

a fundamental level, they're going to fall for some other bullshit. I mean, look, look at how We've accepted real ID under the Trump administration. I mean, real ID, I guess it's not fully in effect, but May the seventh, real ID. And now the stable coin bill, stuff that a year ago, and all you had to do was change the name of it. Instead of calling it a CBDC, you call it a stable coin and people buy it because they don't understand it. what's actually going on and so I don't think people are more awake I think people are are are awake about a very specific thing but it's not generally applied they're not awake about being awake they're not um conscious they're just they're not really

being programmed by a different group of people on a particular slice of the topic now passio I was talking about and this may be true that it's hard to get in touch with your limiting beliefs and your trauma. A lot of it is so suppressed that and people push that pain away so much that it's hard to even get it to come to the surface. And so this is where stuff like ayahuasca kicks in. And the last time I talked to him, he was kind of like, yeah, I mean, if we're going to actually have any shot at this, people need to do more. They need to do something to jumpstart. and maybe that's true but I will tell you I think given that we also have a health

crisis an obesity crisis an insulin crisis I actually think you know even rather than needing to go through the ayahuasca process I think fasting may be that springboard to kick people into a process now so it let's say people went through a seven day fast is there something that you could do during that seven day fast as a group is there a like structured program that you could do to help guide people through not just the physical aspects but you know as people are starting to become aware of food the world around them and everything else a way to help guide them there and to help people

communicate and talk to one another in that same state that will actually help the group raise consciousness through that experience that's one Thing that I'm thinking about and again, I always so not only do I not want it I know that having leaders is doesn't work whether it's OSHA I've never seen a thing with a leader like this that doesn't end up bad But then the other thing is it is about having those individualized solutions so I could say well, yes fasting but I'm more interested in You know helping people say well, hey, here's here's fasting. Here's ayahuasca. Here's meditate here are a whole bunch of different things and and having a way to use you know technology ai whatever

it is to help match the person and you and you probably end up doing all I mean I've done all of it I've done ayahuasca I've done meditation I've done all these things and it's a never ending it's not a it's not a one and done But the most important thing is to make people aware of all of this to begin with, because most people are not aware that they are already programmed. Just getting through that first step is the most important step. Once they get through that, then you can help them along the way. You know, again, in a, hopefully in a way that's not prescriptive, that doesn't have a leader attached to it, but where people can help each other. And, um,

So anyway, I'll throw that out there. I will be talking about this more and then just shooting out other ideas. I don't know how, I don't expect a lot of people to be interested in this, like I said, but those that are, you know, again, yeah, there you go. We got one that helps. And then like literally, then as you change the people around you see it and they become interested in it and that and then it works organically as was discussed organically self-sustaining all of that other stuff and I'm not saying that my movie was perfect I I it It's not. I'm sure it can be better, but it tried to address. Well, it addresses in there constantly be, you know, continuous improvement.

So we're two hours and forty Right. minutes into this podcast. I'll make the observation that it seems like your energy has picked up. Now you began eating like you just start eating right at the beginning of the podcast or just start eating. Right. So how do you feel right now? I feel really good right now. I actually feel very energized. My brain and mouth aren't fully connected yet, but I do feel much better. Okay. So if I could just steer this in a bit. So if somebody comes across this because they're starting to type in fasting and they see Forty Day Fast for Roger Ver, and they're clueless as to

who Roger Ver is, how you might have come to know him, why you did a forty day fast to bring attention to his plight plot plight. But could you just summarize who Roger is, what he's going through and why it matters to somebody that is not in the crypto space? Sure, well, we have a Web page at Daylight Freedom. You can click on Fast for Roger. And I'll give you a couple of reasons it's important.

There's the official kind of reason because, you know, it's... So the point here is this is a guy who's been promoting voluntarism for like twenty years. um all basically the ideas that we've been talking about all night I mean roger's basically a uh ideal leader in effectively promoting and implementing these ideas and he's been doing it through cryptocurrency through bitcoin as bitcoin jesus he was the first investor in bitcoin related companies exchanges um But he's done more than that. I mean, he's supported things like the Brownstone Institute. He supported Ross Ulbrich's legal fees.

He funded antiwar.com. So just a wide range of things related to this. Now, why everybody should be concerned about it is that he was targeted for his political beliefs. By the way, political beliefs that are more aligned with the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution than how any of the politicians or political parties are acting today. He was first imprisoned for selling fireworks in the late nineties. Imagine this as a guy, the late nineties dot coms booming. He's like a, whatever, a teenager or twenty, whatever it is. And he's making a lot of money selling fireworks on eBay. This sounds like a Norman Rockwell poster. It doesn't sound like somebody who should be going to prison.

This sounds like somebody that you should hold up as an example of the kind of enterprising young person that you want. I mean, do we, What do we have now? Right. Who are the people doing things and creating things? So he got punished for that. He got punished for that because he was a libertarian candidate for office. And he spoke out against the ATF who murdered children, which is true. And but and he talked about it in very explicit terms in a debate against a Republican and a Democrat or whatever in a political contest. So somebody in the audience. was from the ATF. And so they saw all his fireworks. That's under the realm of the ATF. So we're going to go after him.

We're going to target him. So he spent time in prison. He was emotionally abused by the guards. And so he decided to leave the United States, which if you're a Norman Rockwell poster and this is the kind of punishment you get, what do you expect? So he leaves right away after his thing. He has a hard time getting citizenship somewhere conviction on his record. because he's got this But then stumbles on Bitcoin in twenty ten and like actually studies it so much, gets so excited about it. He has to be hospitalized. They didn't sleep and literally was just was studying it, saw the applications for it and literally started taking out ads, promoting it. with no like necessarily having a I mean,

because he thought that financial interest in it it's something that everybody should learn about because it can solve some of the horrors that happen because of central banks and this fiat money. And so none of this Bitcoin revolution that's going on right now would have happened without him. He invested in all of this stuff. Then he was the first investor in XRP and he's invested in other crypto projects. And he's continued to be committed to the use of these alternative currencies as a way to stop central bank tyranny. And He's always been committed to the truth. So people should be concerned because of the tactics that the government used to stop him. First of all,

the DOJ lied to the grand jury to even indict him to begin with. They claimed that he was being fraudulent with his taxes, even though communications and documents showed that he actually hired multiple consultants and did everything that he could to follow the law because he knew based on his previous run-ins that they were going to go after him and scrutinize him. So they didn't show that to the grand jury. And so the grand jury indicted him under false pretenses. they arrested him in a country spain and threw him in a prison where his fellow libertarian friend john mcafee was also arrested and died in that same prison which I consider additionally a form of torture I think

that was done deliberately to further frighten him to further put pressure on him throughout this process the irs raided his lawyer's office in his own office armed violating his right to attorney-client privilege. They violated his right to effectively rely on counsel by the fact that he followed the advice and then they didn't explain that to the grand jury and indicted him. Then he's been stuck in Spain now for three hundred and seventy eight days awaiting extradition, fighting extradition. then the doj tries to claim that he is a fugitive because he's fighting extradition so he's basically consistently violated his constitutional rights so everybody should

be concerned about this but the real reason I'm concerned about it is the video that I played at the beginning when you see that righteous anger and when you see how passionate he is about this there are so few people in the world that actually care about anything and that are passionate and are willing and are willing to actually take action. And this is something that he's done at great expense to himself financially, great jeopardy to his freedom. And even throughout it, he still

while being detained in a foreign country, been promoting the use of peer to peer digital cash. He wrote a book hijacking Bitcoin, trying to explain to people that this project that people are now buying and calling digital gold and putting their savings in and trying to get taxpayers to use taxpayer theft for using civil asset forfeiture to pump the price. He wrote a book exposing that at great personal expense. He's been mocked. He's been ridiculed. He's been sued multiple times. So they're trying to extinguish that flame. And that we can't allow to happen. Agreed.

Thank you once again for doing this. Thank you for sharing everything you have along the way. know known you for a long time and I've always known you to to fight the good fight I can't tell you how many times I've been in rooms with you where others were about to give up principle and then you would rally them to stick to the principle of the the project whatever that was uh and it seems like you take on bigger and bigger fights and I really hope for Roger's sake this one comes to fruition.

If you were going to say one thing to anybody in the Trump administration right now, what would that message be related to Roger? I think the message would be that America is not going to lead the world in crypto or lead the world in innovation or technology if Biden is going to build a cross and his administration is going to crucify Bitcoin Jesus. It is completely against everything that the administration is saying. That it's trying to do strategically you can't take the giant upon whose

shoulders all of this was built And then allow the lawfare created under biden to continue to persist and I'm and look I'm trying to be isn't I'm not great at Being diplomatic on this stuff at this point. I used to be much more diplomatic. There's a certain point where we kind of crossed the line with this I mean I I endorsed trump specifically on the ross olbert issue and on this issue and he said he was against lawfare and so I'll let's just say I'll still give him the benefit of the doubt but we're we're we're getting to the point now three hundred and seventy eight days into this where it's it was biden's problem it's now his problem and and it's a problem that needs

to be addressed because it is the single worst crypto biden crypto lawfare of all of it I mean we're talking about a hundred and nine years in prison we're talking about a life sentence for a guy on charges that were fabricated on charges where his constitutional rights were violated there's no one else in crypto facing a life sentence all of these other cases have been dropped and this is a guy who has a pristine record in terms of being principled at promoting what should be make America great values. So it's an absolute travesty if this continues. Now, I can only imagine that the AG has a

lot of stuff on her desk and a whole bunch of other things, but this needs to get resolved because what foreigner is going to want to come to the United States? if this is the way that you treat somebody that created an industry and left for good reason. He was, let's be clear, Roger was originally targeted by Clinton for calling out Janet Reno and then was additionally punished by Biden under Executive Order one four zero six seven. So there's been a claim made that, by Elon Musk that membership has you know, its privileges. well if you hold real american values and this is how you get treated why

would you stay in this country he shouldn't be penalized for this his administration trump's administration should be saying what can we do to entice people like roger to come to america or stay in america not What? Hold them up as an example for what? How we violate the Constitution? How we violate people's rights? How we punish people who are successful at taking innovation? There's no good precedent being set here. And the only issue is, and the only reason that it might not be dealt with, is because the propaganda and censorship that Rogers faced is so severe that people just haven't heard the full story. So it's important that they hear the full story.

But the short version of it is there is no American leadership in crypto if Roger is punished in this way for these non-crimes. Thank you. Well said, Aaron. Well said. Thank you. so yeah so anyway that was this was fun um we we ended up getting fifteen hundred people I'll tell you so uh sal would have retweeted this a lot of the people that would have retweeted this or watched are actually here in amsterdam probably asleep so that's kind of an ironic ironic thing that I'm here in the in the hotel doing this I don't know how coherent the beginning of this is,

but I will say that again, coming out of this, I'm going to be doing a lot of different things and reprioritizing. I will, I will spend the next thirty days sharing content about the things that I've learned. And it's not just the eating stuff, because the eating stuff, again, I've already done keto, but I will share some of the stuff. You know, it's kind of like a whole variety of things, things like, you know, we have antiperspirants that have aluminum in them that we that we put under our armpits, which causes Alzheimer's. We put carcinogenic sunscreen on our skin and then we're told we need to avoid the sun when we actually need the sun.

There are so many things. And, you know, you know, if I put together a book, by the way, it's not going to be like this in-depth, a bunch of text. It's going to be a bunch of here, a bunch of tips, like really easy, This is one of the things I learned about at Tangerine is we did that daily health tip of the day. And that was one of the things people liked the most were just these email single tips. But I wanna throw a lot of that out here because our, not just diets, but anything that I can do to help wake people up about a variety of different programming that are individual things that people can do, I'm going to be doing that over the next thirty days. So I'm just going to be very

slow and gradual about coming out of this fast, not because it's necessary, but because I want to retain the awareness captured through the fast and figure out how to not slip out of it. It's easy to slip. It's easy to slip out of it. It's easy to get tied back into the programs that you're in. There's no single solution here. This isn't a, oh, gee, you've achieved nirvana or whatever. This is about actually becoming truly aware and an active participant in your life and not being an npc at all times and that's not that's not easy I slip in and out of it as well and then you realize there's other stuff that's unresolved so you may think that oh well I learned this about myself

and I've let that go and only to find out oh hey there's a well here and you know let's keep on keep on going and by the way that's fine nobody should be We all have this. The other thing I would say is that it's also the appreciation that everybody is going through this exact same thing in different ways, but it's the same general process. And so not to judge people. And this goes back to the broader part of it. And I'm not great at this at all times. It's easy for me to get pissed off at things, but it is to be loving. the more you can sustain a loving state where you look at somebody, it's like, okay, this person's just going through this. It's not a reason to judge them.

It's just, it's a recognition that this is where this person is. That's a very helpful thing to be able to do. And it's easy to snap into these other programs. And it's also very easy, based on how our identities are built based on our own traumas that you end up projecting and judging people based on that so the more you can become aware of that and yeah they can about the importance of do a whole other thing breathing you know just breathing before you do any activity as a way to make yourself aware of it as I said I don't all of this information has been kind of verbal diarrhea I and I've studied this and I've tried whole variety of ways and I to put this together in a

don't have it in a very coherent way yet. And maybe I'll write a book, not necessarily with the idea of publishing a book, but just to organize some of the thoughts and see, and see if this resonates with people. And again, my, I don't have a, I don't have an agenda for it other than to help other people raise their consciousness. There isn't a, And I don't want to have an overarching agenda. And so part of the reason that this isn't more developed than it is, is because I've been nervous about that. And I've been kind of trying to study and figure out, well, I mean, let's face it, in theory, religions were supposed to do this. Maybe, I don't know. Maybe religions were always malicious.

I mean, I know that people will find that to be offensive, but I mean, organized religion, I'm not saying that there's no God. I'm not saying that at all, but I am saying that you can study organized religion. As George said earlier, I study things at, you know, You just study how these books were published, who edited them, and then you actually study the history of how churches work and everything else. It's like that is not – whatever God's word was, that has nothing to do with this editorial process and this structure and these incentives. And so you can kind of figure that out. But the more illuminating point is that – I don't see any examples of

where anybody's actually figured this out, which is why it's a good kind of complicated challenge that I would like. But it's going to require some really out of the box thinking. And maybe this is one of these things where we have the technology that we have, the decentralization and some of these other things allow for experimentation that's never been possible in human history before. So maybe there's a way to have a breakthrough on this. just like the way bitcoin was hijacked we have to worry about projects being hijacked movements being hijacked right I mean you know I'm in the free state project movement it's how many everybody's always like is this guy a fed is this person a fed you go

into any of these movements and you know look the the authoritarians are are very good at like biden wasn't good at putting together a cbdc but he's the he's the world's greatest at lawfare I mean, look at what he's done to people, smart people, capable people, competent people. He just fucked up their lives and just threw people through an absolute torture chamber. And he didn't create anything, but these people are really good at that. They're good at disrupting things that well-intentioned people do. create and so I guess I have a heightened sense you know it's one of those things where how many you know if

you're in a liberty movement then you're in crypto and then you're in this and this is like yeah okay there's probably a good reason to have some sensitivity to it but having a sensitivity to it doesn't necessarily give you a solution to it it just gives you a heightened sensitivity so Anyway, I don't even know how to throw out or ask or start to get input on something like that. I don't even know how to frame the question yet. But, you know, George, as I said earlier, maybe day five. I'm feeling better, but I'm definitely not at my day twenty one. I don't know how this how this talk is going to go tomorrow. But, you know, it'll be I'm glad that there are at least some that you

guys are on here and there are other people that are listening to this. I know that there are people that are interested in this. um and and again I'm not my expectation is not it it not only would I be surprised I have no expectation that this would be mainstream for all the reasons that it's true it doesn't need to be um but it to me would be a lot more rewarding to to focus on this but you know I didn't think about this with my own kids like this is it's we're at a point where you know um I always encourage them to follow whatever it is they want to do in life, to not do a plan B. I find this, when you chart how people get into this fallback plan, okay, well,

I've got to go to college and I've got to do this and we've got to do this. Like my daughter wants to be a dancer and I think my ex-wife might be like more on the kind of, well, you should do something. more practical or, you know, you should have a fallback plan. And I think that you should never have a fallback plan. You'll have nothing but regret if you do the fallback plan. And if you're putting your, I think as a society, and I've said this multiple times, most of the things that we do are fallback plans. People have four or one Ks and invest in things they don't believe in as a fallback plan because somebody else told them how to do it because they've even outsourced thinking

about the problem. They go to work at a job they don't like, and then they take twenty percent of that money and they give it to somebody else to make decisions. And they don't know anything about the people making decisions and they don't even know what the decisions are. So they're basically capping and taking twenty percent of their productive energy and giving it to somebody else. That is that is outsourcing your free will. That is giving up your agency and not even realizing you're giving up your agency. But that's just one area in which you're doing it. And then people are doing it in all of these other areas. Well, guess what? When everybody does this, then you actually have a

world where we have companies like Pfizer, we have companies like BlackRock, and we have incentives that are now structured because people, while not being awake, actually gave all their energy to this, not even realizing they were giving their energy to it, but because it was a fallback. So if everybody's giving twenty percent of their something that they don't want, that there's their fallback and they're giving one percent of the thing that they do want, then we have a whole world. that is people's plan B. So, you know, I want to try to figure out, I want to try to figure out, a way to be able to communicate that to my kids. I mean, I communicate it directly, right? But at the same time,

but it's not just to them. I want it for everybody's kids. It's not even like, I don't believe in these, oh, I want to build an empire for just my kids. The whole world is a better place. Everybody should have access to their free will. uh it's there's no there's no scarcity of of people's ability to exercise their own choices there's no natural uh scarcity to it and so um but it's tough it's it's tough people everybody's programmed uh you know again everybody's programmed and I'm not saying I'm not but uh I definitely keep working on it. I'm not doing another forty day fast though. That's I'm not getting it anymore. This with a full forty day fast.

I think I'm going to vary it up a little bit. I will say I have not found and I'm sure somebody's done it. I have not found anybody else that's done a forty day fast that wasn't medically monitored. So And I'm not saying this like, oh, wow, look at how great this is. I'm actually saying this because I was trying to find information at certain points when I'm like, who do you talk to when you're at, when this thing happens, right? There actually, there isn't anybody to talk to, including a doctor, because again, a doctor will not have, the first thing the doctor is going to say is, well, you should have never done this, or you should have only done this if it was

medically supervised to begin with. And I couldn't have medically supervised it because I don't know anything about it. So this is an interesting process, but I think there'll be more stuff. There's more stuff that I learned and that I can't remember right now or articulate, but it is rewarding because there are like major breakthroughs. So based on what George said about the group mind movie, I think it's pretty clear that I've been living that group mind movie for the last five years and even though I don't watch the mind movie anymore now there's another part that happens with all of this you do these things you do

these meditations you do all this different stuff but then what really happens is at some point you don't need any of that anymore you just are that you are in the state of being that that that's actually so that's one of the other so a lot of this stuff these things can be crutches where people are like, oh, I'm meditating five hours a day. I'm doing this. And that really isn't what it's all about. It's actually learning how to just become aware and get yourself into a particular state. And you don't need special rituals once you learn it. Once you learn what a state feels like and how to get into it, then you don't need all the ritual. I could go with a whole bunch of Anyway,

random stuff forever, but I know it is. God, what time is it? Two thirty or two thirty here. Three thirty. What time? How many hours before you have it on stage? Six hours a year. Yeah. Well, whatever. How can we help you? How can we support you on this journey? What can we do for you? I don't know. I think just give your feedback and input as I'm trying to structure some of these ideas, if you can do that. Obviously with Roger, again, I'm kind of...

I'm skittish, but so here's the thing. I could go do a whole bunch of interviews now that I've actually done the fast, like the fact that the wall street journal found the fast and interviewed me about it. whole big deal and go talk I could probably make a to a bunch of people. I don't think it's the right thing to do because, uh, Roger is pretty far along in the process. I I'm more concerned about doing him And I, damage than actually helping. So I'm not going to do that. But what I think we can do is try to get people to his hearing on June the twenty third in L.A. So that is one thing that we can do on that. And then I'll have to think and maybe we can talk about it next time,

because obviously I have a lot of thoughts in there. They're really unstructured. I should probably show the group my movie again. I really need to. Well, I haven't even had time to digest fast. I mean, I haven't had time to digest or reflect on any of this because the last ten days I've been in a really not great state. So I just need time to actually get a little bit of internal clarity and then I'll discussion and then I'll then we can have another maybe even be more able to ask for input or help in a more useful way. Cause right now, again, it's just, it's, there's a lot, so much happened during the fast. I mean, now that I'm, now that I'm realizing, you know, I went off into a whole

bunch of different paths studying, you know, light medicine. I ended up studying a whole variety of different things. How much of it turns out to be, useful or not, I don't know. But when I said that one week was six months worth of work, that is true. There's no doubt about that. Now I have to go back and make sense of it all and see if I can put it to good use. But yeah, I also think if you know others, this is going to be a person-to-person thing. This is not going to be a like it again it's not only not mass market it's the kind of thing if you try to get mass market it you'd get more ridicule or or hate you'll get a lot of these things conflict I've

studied religion at a surface level and so I'm definitely not an expert in in religion but but I know a lot of these ideas fly in the face of of religion which isn't to say that religious people won't benefit from it, or that I think if anything else, it's actually really aligned with their true religious beliefs, not the dogma that they've been given, but it's really hard to break through to be able to make to get that message. So I don't know enough now about how to identify people to talk to about it. I guess we should just get an You know, initial group together of people that are interested in this and just start

having a chat that's probably the best thing and again my hesitate I I am fully capable of completely structuring something and I have every bit of restraint from doing that at all and I have for five years and I continue to have so so some of this is going to be a lot of figuring out maybe even from a technical perspective how do you take some of these ideas and get them out there in a way that is decentralized and that solves for some of these problems, but that is not so technical and not user-friendly, right? I mean, this all comes back to the same thing. It always comes back to there's got to be a way to make this easy for people, but that also has these other attributes.

And we've failed on the easy to use it's actually part of my talk tomorrow about it's only a twenty minute talk so my actual talk the the hard part about my talk for tomorrow is editing down the talk that's that's the like it's it's kind of like okay I I what am I gonna talk about for twenty I could talk about one thing slide of the thing for twenty minutes but but my the basic premise is that privacy coins are the solution to cbdc's uh stable coins and that more broadly CBDCs and stablecoins are just they're going to centrally tokenize all of our assets and use it as a complete control system. So it's actually a four alarm fire.

The only solution to it is privacy, but we need privacy that is easy to use, but it has to be, it's not just privacy coins. We actually have to have solutions for things like the stock market. We need to have solutions for not just money, but all of the other things that they're trying to centrally tokenize, we have to have alternatives for as well. And it's urgent. That's basically the core message in twenty minutes. I've got to figure out a way to tie in a whole bunch of concepts and that it has to be user friendly like that. In the EU, Yes. they are banning privacy coins by twenty twenty seven outright banning them. Now, of course, you know, good luck. Right.

But at the same time, if if we aren't. completely aligned we don't be aligned on building this solution but we have to be aligned on the problem I have been on calls on x-faces with people that are ogs in crypto and literally a topic will be um what do you think about stable coins and people like stable coins are great for adoption or somebody will say um well you know we we kind of screwed up on bitcoin we screwed up on medium of exchange but you know but we still have a shot with d-fi if we don't have the ability to engage in voluntary trade outside of

the centralized system it is the loss of free will. Those are actually the stakes. So there's no, so this defeatist position that, well, yeah, you know, Bitcoin was hijacked, but we're going to go over here and do this. Now that is, that will not work. You're not going to be able to do a carve out. And in fact, the legislation and everything that's already going on is going. So you've now put yourself in a small box and you've got a big boot that's, that's hanging right over it. So that isn't going to work. And so, My goal, if I'll be lucid enough, but is to try to get people to realize in the context of Roger, because I'm playing a Roger clip in the beginning, but we need the Roger energy.

From twenty twelve. And we need Roger. But we all need to remember what this was all about. This was about stopping this the central tyranny. But it's worse than it was when Roger was first talking about this. Yes, we had wars and everything else. But now we're talking about they're coming for our free will. That's a bigger problem. That is literally an existential problem for everyone. And I will tell you, nobody is focused on this. Nobody is focused on this at these crypto conferences. And I hear it time and time again. So I don't know if this is an answer to a question, but if we can raise awareness, I've been trying to raise awareness about... The fact that technocracy

really is technocracy exists. Most people don't understand what technocracy is. It's a threat and it's on a fast track. And if we aren't working on solutions for that, if we're off working on little side projects and we're celebrating the fact that, you know, CBDCs are being used for adoption, then we're screwed. so I've been trying to get that message out I mean I've reached some people but but I will say that I'm really grateful for and I know you and I had a conversation a couple months back about what the progress was going on with xeno and now we have a marketplace we have a privacy stable coin we have a place that you can buy gift certificates we've got um you know confidential

layer coming so so now there are actual real things so I'm really grateful for that but like people have to start using this people have to start engaging in day-to-day trade using these tools or or we're going to have a real problem and I get lighting a fire under people to do that to actually build as opposed to just speculate is is has been so far impossible um I'm gonna put a little bug in your ear um I think that people are concerned about ai And the loss of jobs, the loss of income, the loss of sense of purpose. I'm listening to you. I got to grab a water. No problem. The sense of purpose that could be lost to AI and robotics.

And that is fast approaching. And while I don't like fear as a motivator, there may be a reason or a need, shall we say, or a way to grow adoption to the cause to fight the governments that are working against us and technocracy, but is maybe alternative income sources that run parallel to fight against the loss that they're going to have as AI takes more and more jobs. And maybe that's a way that we can couple that

But the last thing, as soon as you talk about those things, then everyone starts talking, oh, well, this is a scam. Or they're bringing up a scam or building a scam. But I'm talking about maybe that's going to be a couple, a way to, I don't know, grow the army to fight against the technocracy. That's just a thought that I've been having for a while now. And obviously with the use of, you know, you know, xano and monero and others yeah I I think certainly the ability for people to earn I one of the things I like about the xeno marketplace is that people are posting like jobs so in essence or projects here

you can earn this many xeno for doing this I think I think you know coming up people coming up with new businesses uh new business models new ideas where they're being paid directly in in crypto and and and an ecosystem starts to emerge around that I I all of that I think is is great I think you're right people I I maybe people are concerned about ai they should be concerned about ai to a to a certain degree I'm I'm torn by I you know I've mentioned this before I think the The fact that I could build a point of sale system without needing a dev. Now, admittedly, I've run tech companies and I know you have to know what to ask. You have to have a lot of

knowledge to be able to do some of it back and forth. But you don't have to fully be able to code, but it's empowering, but it's a big threat to devs. And at the same time, this was where the UBI thing becomes the productivity gains are going to be so immense that I actually do think that abundance situation and not we're going to be in an a scarcity situation. And the question is, the question is, how is that abundance distributed that that is an actual, these are actual problems that I know, well, I don't have an answer for I know people have answers that are not great.

But you know, when you look at the proliferation of robots doing manual labor, plus the application of technology and everything else, I mean, we're going to have a, you know, five hundred quadrillion dollar economy. And I think the bigger problem now, people won't perceive this People will perceive the as the problem. problem as being that their job is going to be replaced. I think the bigger problem is going to be what are people's what is people's sense of purpose going to be when they have been given the limiting belief that their only value is as a cog in an economic wheel if that is taken away and more importantly their curiosity about who they are and why

we're here has been zapped or it's been outsourced to organized religion then that is going to create that's going to be a whole level of It's an existential crisis. Well, it's a metaphysical crisis, I guess. I think that's coming too. My personal experience so far is I feel like I onboard people to various AIs and that sort of thing. And what I've been experiencing is a boost in people's creativity and their entrepreneurial spirit. Because whereas a limiting belief for them would be like, well, I don't know who to talk to. I don't have money to hire somebody to do something. I can very quickly onboard them to using their

existing knowledge and then enhancing their ability to become productive. And I'm starting to see that in multiple people that I'm close with. It's awoken their creativity and in others, it's woken their entrepreneurial spirit. well I think that's happening now but once agentic ai moves to the next level then that's going to be then what it is that people are experiencing with respect to their creative use of the technology that will become automated what that process is the way that they're interacting with with the tools but nevertheless that will create a new you know again there's a how far does this

go and where does it go but some of the uh the agent stuff where it's like okay you type in a thing it's like here's my idea and it creates it doesn't just create the business plan it actually creates the website throws it on the server creates the marketing plan buys the ads like runs the whole thing And that's happening now. By the end of this year, if you look at what's going on with these agents, and now there's a new consortium of companies like Salesforce and others that are coming up with their own protocol for how agents will interact with each other, then that's next level. but I hear what you're saying I mean I and I feel

the same thing I can do a whole bunch of stuff now where it's like I kicked out sixty four memes about roger's case in in like two hours or three hours using chat gpt and the images a lot of them are really good images like the artwork is really good I'm like that that would have taken me months I I probably couldn't have done it at all actually um I mean imagine being somebody that spent your whole life learning that you know adobe shortcuts that that's a that's an unfortunate unfortunate situation but but yeah for now I think people people do do like it but there's going to be it's going to skew to the top the top

performers on this the top people that can you know they're at the top of the game connecting agents and doing all this other stuff are going to have like a thousand x productivity impact over the next next run but again maybe this again maybe this just creates more economic opportunity the question is where does it end and then what happens when you know when somebody has all the robots and then you know they have a ten trillion dollar company in six months And how does that affect a whole variety of things? I don't know. I don't know what the answers are. I still think AI is, I think AI is good, but I worry about AI being this technocratic

deterministic thing as well. And not like we should be building an AI on quantum principles and not on something else. It's a similar problem. AI could be really great and nobody ever has to work again. And then what do we do under that situation? Or AI could turn into, a control system for technocrats and I like I don't know I I also increasingly don't care like there's a so it's like all right I'm part of the free state project and then I think about network states I'm like I don't really care about being a part of any of this there's a I I've been thinking a lot about a lot of people in new hampshire that are fighting over stuff they're fighting over land zoning and a whole

bunch of other stuff. And I understand the arguments, you know, on both sides. I mean, they want to get rid of even local control. So it's other, in other words, you have a piece of property, you can put whatever you want on it. And then there's a group of people that are like, well, wait a minute, we have local standards for this. And people bought their property on the basis of what these rules were from a zoning perspective. And this whole thing is going on. And I'm just kind of like, you know, my kids are probably not going to stay in New Hampshire. And I'm like, am I really going to, am I going to like fight to the death over any of this shit? Does any of it really matter?

Am I really passionate about any of it? And I'm not. I'm intellectually intrigued by network states, but I'm also not like yearning to go out and join one. I know that's not a very productive answer, but it's true. I'm actually getting to the point where it's like, yeah, well, whatever. It is what it is. Alan Watts did a talk about the chosen ones kind of divorce themselves of this world and separate themselves. They tend to be alone, loners. Not that they aren't extroverts or anything. It's just that it's They've moved past that.

Not that they're above anyone else. It's just that they've moved on. And it's something that I've been wrestling with recently. And another reason for me maybe to, you know, start getting into a fast to try to tap into some spirituality for some answers. yeah I mean that's a great point like like this has started to happen to me uh over a period of time and then during the fast I was just kind of like all this stuff and people are contacting me and what do you think about this and I'm like I mean I feel like the dude from the big lebowski I'm just not like I just I really I'm done with this I I and and

I get it. I'm not judging them, but I'm definitely not there. I'm also not seeking to find a similar thing to necessarily jump into like that. I'm sure I'll be processing that for a lot as well. Then there's stuff going on. My kids only have three years of high school left. That's a whole shift in life. I haven't really thought through you do a lot of things for your kids but then but then the part of it is that okay well they have their own free will and should be exercising their own for will so I actually don't want to direct them I'm not in any way saying hey follow in my footsteps do this like I'm not at all doing that and you know they they have their own thing that they

want to do so it's like okay well so let's say you build this thing in new hampshire so what is the assumption your kids are going to want to live there why would you want them why would you think that they would want to do that and is that even a good idea and it's like well no I'm not going to try to push them to live there they may want to come back on their own but um anyway that's a whole other yeah let me let me know how your fast comes out on that because I don't have any good I've lost my passion I've lost my passion for that This is a good thing. So I didn't talk about this with fasting. Fasting not only forces you to be present, but then when the energy levels start to dissipate,

you're present and focused. So then you start really chopping away at, all right, well, what is it that I really am interested in or passionate about at this point in time? And you cut away a lot of stuff. I mean, the one thing I'll say is that what is going to come out of this once I digest it all is I'm going to be doing different stuff but I'm also going to be doing less I like there's I mean I was doing a lot like there there was a for the last two years I mean I go back and look at it and it's like I'm at a point like we probably have twenty interviews that I've done that I don't even remember and we haven't posted the links or whatever and now I'm just I don't even care I'm not gonna go

bust my ass to dig this stuff up or whatever. It's like, it is what it is. It was a huge period of stuff. But like one, one thing I realized like this summer, I want to work on, you know, whatever project this is that's emerging, you know, I'm going to work on like the point of sale system or, or whatever. I might work on a book or two. I thinking about something related to tokenization, a short book, maybe something on fasting, but it's going to be on, but I do not want to travel. for the entire summer. I am done at least for the summer. I'm not done traveling, but I've been traveling way too much because I want to spend time with my kids. I want to play tennis with my son.

I want to spend some time with my daughter because I probably only got a couple of summers left and then they're going to be off having their own life. So I realized that. So I'm going to focus on focused on that and that became clear during the fast. Does it mean I'm not going to do a lot of work? No, I'll still get a lot of work done, but I understand and know what that priority is. But it is going to be different stuff. I think the cutting off of the public, engaging in the public debate stuff is going to free up a lot of time, but it's going to free up even more energy. Because I did realize how toxic and negative it is to engage, even though I was engaging in a lot during the fast,

because all I had the energy to do was shitpost. It does not take a lot of energy to shitpost. So I can be in a cramped physical environment. you know, position or whatever, laying in bed and I can shit post. I couldn't write a paragraph. I couldn't write an article. I couldn't do any coding, but sure. I could, I could bitch about a bitch about that. But, but nevertheless, it's not something once I'm in a higher energy state, I'm not going to want to be, want to be doing that. So, all right, well, it's three hours and thirty minutes. I should figure out what time. I think it's five o'clock in the morning. So this is amazing. Aaron, you're amazing, man. I, I congratulate you on those

forty days and sharing such, you know, amazing details as well. Very educational, very informative. And you're you're you're going to help people for eons from now. They're going to come back and look at this. They're going to look up a forty day fast and they're going to dig into this. And it's going to find out that they're hearing a very fascinating story. topic, a very fascinating conversation. And who knows, something that might be almost like a time capsule. You never know. Who knows? Well, thank you. I want to thank you both for being a part of this and being, you know, supporters and providing input and encouragement and, you know, also just being awake and aware enough to engage in

these concepts because this is, you know, I know this is a little bit out there. So and of course, George, you've been there for forever I I think we've been through you are definitely my uh my oldest oldest friend by far and uh you've been around there's a lot more coming and you know it so out there uh good luck tomorrow thank you and congrats thank you very much have a great night or morning whatever bye